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peat moss
07-12-2004, 07:56 PM
Saw an ad for a crappy Dell with pci express today. Price seemed steep . :)
$1799 cnd .
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/p...s=19&l=en&s=dhs (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_8400?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs)
128mb PCI Express x16 ATI Radeon x300 SE
kaiweiler
07-12-2004, 08:05 PM
Graphics: A full new lineup of PCI Express graphics cards for true to live video and games. The new line up features both the new ATITM RadeonTM X800 XT and new ATITM RadeonTM X300 SE.
Apparantly so...
What's so good about PCI Express?
peat moss
07-12-2004, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by kaiweiler@12 July 2004 - 12:13
Graphics: A full new lineup of PCI Express graphics cards for true to live video and games. The new line up features both the new ATITM RadeonTM X800 XT and new ATITM RadeonTM X300 SE.
Apparantly so...
Well Kai , Glad I'm still waiting to upgrade . Don't see much choice here in canada,yet tho. Guess you need mobo that supports it, new type of memory too I'm guessing?
peat moss
07-12-2004, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by Vamp@12 July 2004 - 12:16
What's so good about PCI Express?
Next generation ,to help us spend our money. :lol:
http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/pciexpress
kaiweiler
07-12-2004, 08:21 PM
Memory: The New Dimension 8400 offers DDR2 Memory that enables clock speeds up to 533MGz for the ultimate PC performance.
Yep, DDR2 is new as well ;)
tesco
07-12-2004, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Vamp@12 July 2004 - 15:16
What's so good about PCI Express?
AGP was, i think, reaching it's speed limits, so they needed something new. This new PCI-Express offers much faster speeds than agp.
google it for more info.
Storm
07-13-2004, 12:10 PM
though i hear it wasnt working fully yet (as with any new technology), right now its even supposed to be slower than AGP :P
id wait a while before getting anything that new, let em work out the childdiseases first ;)
Originally posted by Storm@13 July 2004 - 12:18
though i hear it wasnt working fully yet (as with any new technology), right now its even supposed to be slower than AGP :P
id wait a while before getting anything that new, let em work out the childdiseases first ;)
Give this man a cookie.
The technology is sorted, but the only cards currently available are graphics cards (AFAIK). any testing done has tried to utilise the GPU's features to the maximum, and has so far shown that the speed is more or less the same as AGP. But since the AGP port wasn't the bottleneck in that sort of test that's hardly surprising.
By definition this means that the GPU is the bottleneck so it hasn't tested bus performance.
Secondly, AGP is simply a branch from the PCI bus, albeit directly from the Northbridge. This means that when the AGP bus is in use, the rest of the PCI bus is blocked (and vice-versa), even though the Northbridge may be otherwise relatively free of traffic. With PCI-x each device has its own bus, so although individual speeds may not be much higher (at the moment) there is no bus conflict so overall performance potential is not limited in the same way.
That said, I think I'd wait for socket 939 with PCI-x. Real futureproof investment.
tesco
07-13-2004, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by lynx@13 July 2004 - 10:18
The technology is sorted, but the only cards currently available are graphics cards (AFAIK). any testing done has tried to utilise the GPU's features to the maximum, and has so far shown that the speed is more or less the same as AGP. But since the AGP port wasn't the bottleneck in that sort of test that's hardly surprising.
By definition this means that the GPU is the bottleneck so it hasn't tested bus performance.
Secondly, AGP is simply a branch from the PCI bus, albeit directly from the Northbridge. This means that when the AGP bus is in use, the rest of the PCI bus is blocked (and vice-versa), even though the Northbridge may be otherwise relatively free of traffic. With PCI-x each device has its own bus, so although individual speeds may not be much higher (at the moment) there is no bus conflict so overall performance potential is not limited in the same way.
That said, I think I'd wait for socket 939 with PCI-x. Real futureproof investment.
In lamens terms:
The graphics cards they tested with aren't fast enough to test out the PCIexpress slot\port properly. Even AGP was fast enough for these graphics cards, so you won't see a difference form agp to pci express...yet.
Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+13 July 2004 - 17:55--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 13 July 2004 - 17:55)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@13 July 2004 - 10:18
The technology is sorted, but the only cards currently available are graphics cards (AFAIK). any testing done has tried to utilise the GPU's features to the maximum, and has so far shown that the speed is more or less the same as AGP. But since the AGP port wasn't the bottleneck in that sort of test that's hardly surprising.
By definition this means that the GPU is the bottleneck so it hasn't tested bus performance.
Secondly, AGP is simply a branch from the PCI bus, albeit directly from the Northbridge. This means that when the AGP bus is in use, the rest of the PCI bus is blocked (and vice-versa), even though the Northbridge may be otherwise relatively free of traffic. With PCI-x each device has its own bus, so although individual speeds may not be much higher (at the moment) there is no bus conflict so overall performance potential is not limited in the same way.
That said, I think I'd wait for socket 939 with PCI-x. Real futureproof investment.
In lamens terms:
The graphics cards they tested with aren't fast enough to test out the PCIexpress slot\port properly. Even AGP was fast enough for these graphics cards, so you won't see a difference form agp to pci express...yet. [/b][/quote]
Just like a water droplet.
Beautifully condensed. :rolleyes:
iMartin
07-14-2004, 11:43 PM
Well, don't know if this counts as anything, but I just bought a PCI Local Bus video card, it's a GeForce4 MX 4000, for only $70. Only reason is because, well, my mobo is kinda old, (Pentium III @ 1GHz), so, no AGP slots for me. This PCI card works fine for me, untill I can get enough money for a gaming comp.
tesco
07-15-2004, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by [-Crono-]@14 July 2004 - 18:51
Well, don't know if this counts as anything, but I just bought a PCI Local Bus video card, it's a GeForce4 MX 4000, for only $70. Only reason is because, well, my mobo is kinda old, (Pentium III @ 1GHz), so, no AGP slots for me. This PCI card works fine for me, untill I can get enough money for a gaming comp.
It's not necessarily that it is old, but that it is a cheap motherboard..
my 450mhz p3's motherboard (an asus something) has an agp slot...
iMartin
07-15-2004, 12:48 AM
Well, I hate to say this, but my parents bought this comp off of our local ISP (big ****ing mistake) I've beefed it up majorly since then, but still, it's junk.
tesco
07-15-2004, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by [-Crono-]@14 July 2004 - 19:56
Well, I hate to say this, but my parents bought this comp off of our local ISP (big ****ing mistake) I've beefed it up majorly since then, but still, it's junk.
Your ISP sells computers. :blink:
clocker
07-15-2004, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by lynx+13 July 2004 - 11:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx @ 13 July 2004 - 11:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-ROSSCO_2004@13 July 2004 - 17:55
In lamens terms:
The graphics cards they tested ...blah,blah, blah...
Just like a water droplet.
Beautifully condensed. :rolleyes:[/b][/quote]
Indeed.
Note the use of the new "Canadian Abridged Alphabet" which eliminates the troublesome "Y" in favor of the long A.
Virtualbody1234
07-15-2004, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by clocker@15 July 2004 - 06:47
Note the use of the new "Canadian Abridged Alphabet" which eliminates the troublesome "Y" in favor of the long A.
Eh?
clocker
07-15-2004, 01:20 PM
"Lamens" is the modern equivalent of "layman's".
Sheesh, get with it, VB.
Originally posted by [-Crono-]@15 July 2004 - 01:56
Well, I hate to say this, but my parents bought this comp off of our local ISP (big ****ing mistake) I've beefed it up majorly since then, but still, it's junk.
Is that sort of the way some gsm-providers and similar do it, sign up for a subscription- get the hardware(like getting cell-phone, if it's for, say, the gsm net, or 'puter, in this case), cheap?
'cos I've never seen anyone do that with 'puters before.
Originally posted by clocker@15 July 2004 - 13:28
"Lamens" is the modern equivalent of "layman's".
Sheesh, get with it, VB.
Eh?
I think that was the alternative long A. :rolleyes:
iMartin
07-15-2004, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by SnnY+15 July 2004 - 08:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SnnY @ 15 July 2004 - 08:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-[-Crono-
,15 July 2004 - 01:56] Well, I hate to say this, but my parents bought this comp off of our local ISP (big ****ing mistake) I've beefed it up majorly since then, but still, it's junk.
Is that sort of the way some gsm-providers and similar do it, sign up for a subscription- get the hardware(like getting cell-phone, if it's for, say, the gsm net, or 'puter, in this case), cheap?
'cos I've never seen anyone do that with 'puters before. [/b][/quote]
Well, they're called RTC Communications. They're my, ISP, and phone company. So, instead of focusing on one thing, they try to do everything, which in turn, makes them SUCK. I seriously have the sh!ttiest kind of internet.
And I hope they're reading this too! Buhahaha...
tesco
07-15-2004, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by clocker@15 July 2004 - 08:28
"Lamens" is the modern equivalent of "layman's".
Sheesh, get with it, VB.
Can always count on clocker to fix my spelling. <_<
:lol:
Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+15 July 2004 - 22:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 15 July 2004 - 22:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@15 July 2004 - 08:28
"Lamens" is the modern equivalent of "layman's".
Sheesh, get with it, VB.
Can always count on clocker to fix my spelling. <_<
:lol: [/b][/quote]
Your own personal long distance spell-checker. :lol:
tesco
07-15-2004, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by -Crono-+15 July 2004 - 17:22--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (-Crono- @ 15 July 2004 - 17:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by SnnY+15 July 2004 - 08:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SnnY @ 15 July 2004 - 08:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Crono-@15 July 2004 - 01:56
Well, I hate to say this, but my parents bought this comp off of our local ISP (big ****ing mistake) I've beefed it up majorly since then, but still, it's junk.
Is that sort of the way some gsm-providers and similar do it, sign up for a subscription- get the hardware(like getting cell-phone, if it's for, say, the gsm net, or 'puter, in this case), cheap?
'cos I've never seen anyone do that with 'puters before. [/b]
Well, they're called RTC Communications. They're my, ISP, and phone company. So, instead of focusing on one thing, they try to do everything, which in turn, makes them SUCK. I seriously have the sh!ttiest kind of internet.
And I hope they're reading this too! Buhahaha... [/b][/quote]
lol that's like rogers over here. They do everything. Cable, internet, wireless phones. They're testing out some sort of cable phone system in some US city so soon they'll be doing phone too. <_<
The cable and internet are good, but the wireless phone signal sucks. <_<
<!--QuoteBegin- Lynx @ 15 July 2004 - 17:57
Your own personal long distance spell-checker.:lol: [/quote]
:lol:
clocker
07-16-2004, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+15 July 2004 - 06:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 15 July 2004 - 06:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@15 July 2004 - 06:47
Note the use of the new "Canadian Abridged Alphabet" which eliminates the troublesome "Y" in favor of the long A.
Eh? [/b][/quote]
Subtle Canadian humor at it's best.
Hoser.
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