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Monkeee
07-15-2004, 11:35 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...ssPageName=WD1V (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=52476&item=5103358182&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V)

well that looks like a pretty good deal to me but my friend says you cant trust computers on ebay. Is it true? should i buy it? seems like a sweet deal to me!
Virtualbody1234
07-15-2004, 11:43 PM
I trust computers. It's people you've got to watch out for. ;)
muchspl2
07-15-2004, 11:50 PM
if you weren't such a pussy you wouldn't have to worry about getting ripped/paypal fees/outrages shipping
just build it yourself, do you really think you could find it cheaper on a website :/
even ibuypower is too much, I use it as a guide
lynx
07-15-2004, 11:55 PM
You need to watch out for bad terms and conditions, and high shipping charges.

And warranty can be a problem. You usually have to pay shipping for that yourself, you will have to ship the complete computer and shipping costs can be more than the failed item is worth.

All in all I wouldn't bother.
Monkeee
07-15-2004, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by muchspl2@15 July 2004 - 23:58
if you weren't such a pussy you wouldn't have to worry about getting ripped/paypal fees/outrages shipping
just build it yourself, do you really think you could find it cheaper on a website :/
even ibuypower is too much, I use it as a guide
:rolleyes: stfu.... :rolleyes:
muchspl2
07-15-2004, 11:58 PM
truth hurts but you know this
are maybe you 're too stupid to realize that you can't find a better deal; online vs building your own :(
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by muchspl2@16 July 2004 - 00:06
truth hurts but you know this
are maybe you 're too stupid to realize that you can't find a better deal; online vs building your own :(
ok how about you find me all the parts to buy and it has to be cheaper than the the link i gave and if you and if you cant do that then stfu.


if you weren't such a pussy you wouldn't have to worry about getting ripped/paypal fees/outrages shipping
just build it yourself, do you really think you could find it cheaper on a website :/
even ibuypower is too much, I use it as a guide

seriously that has got to be the worst reply i have seen yet from you. Every reply here has been helpful except yours <_<
Virtualbody1234
07-16-2004, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by Monkeee@15 July 2004 - 18:13
ok how about you find me all the parts to buy and it has to be cheaper than the the link i gave
Have you researched it yourself?

Are you sure you want to use all those same parts?
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+16 July 2004 - 00:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 16 July 2004 - 00:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Monkeee@15 July 2004 - 18:13
ok how about you find me all the parts to buy and it has to be cheaper than the the link i gave
Have you researched it yourself?

Are you sure you want to use all those same parts? [/b][/quote]
lol yeah i have searched for parts (http://www.newegg.com/ and other) that are even crappier then the ebay link i gave and it seems it cost higher.
muchspl2
07-16-2004, 12:18 AM
I can&#39;t be bothered to help you after you attack me read:fuck you
i will leave this challenge to anyone reading this to post a better alternative
you have to understand they can&#39;t sell it without a significant profit :/
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by muchspl2@16 July 2004 - 00:26
I can&#39;t be bothered to help you after you attack me read:fuck you
i will leave this challenge to anyone reading this to post a better alternative
you have to understand they can&#39;t sell it without a significant profit :/
yes please get out i dont need your "so called Help" when all your actually doing is insulting me (if you weren&#39;t such a pussy) and posting your stupid comments.

PLUS all i asked for do you think it is safe to buy computers from ebay. but you go into something i never even asked help for&#33;
muchspl2
07-16-2004, 12:38 AM
well I guess you just don&#39;t understand that you could get the same computer for less
guess that point is lossed
tesco
07-16-2004, 01:07 AM
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This has no power supply or case, but usually they are based on each persons style or whatever so u can pick one out.

This has a much better (WAY better) video card (if u don&#39;t want it go for the 9200 for 100bucks less), quality ram, a WAY WAY better motherboard, and a faster hard drive. Plus it has a dvd burner instead of a cdrw&#092;dvdrom combo drive.

the 2500+ isn&#39;t as fast as the 3ghz P4 u had in teh ebay computer, but it can easily be oced to 3200+ speeds with the stock heatsink so it will then run just as fast, and still farely cool (you will also need to add a couple of fans).

I find this a far better deal, especially since in most states (if not all) newegg shipping is free. :)

Sorry if i missed anything, this is all from newegg btw incase i forgot to mention it. ;)
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 01:48 AM
hmm... thx ROSSCO_2004&#33; i&#39;ll look into that comp. i didn&#39;t really want a Athalon but i guess i can upgrade it a little&#33;
Storm
07-16-2004, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by muchspl2@16 July 2004 - 01:26
I can&#39;t be bothered to help you after you attack me read:fuck you
i will leave this challenge to anyone reading this to post a better alternative
you have to understand they can&#39;t sell it without a significant profit :/
*gives muchspl2 a cookie*

now if you&#39;re nice youll get a second one.........
muchspl2
07-16-2004, 02:55 AM
I tell it as it is, I reserve the right to piss off anyone I want
doesn&#39;t make me the bad guy, just saying
tesco
07-16-2004, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by muchspl2@15 July 2004 - 22:03
I tell it as it is, I reserve the right to piss off anyone I want
doesn&#39;t make me the bad guy, just saying
but the question is...WHY?
why do you insist on pissing people off in all threads you post in?

You tell him he could build the computer cheaper himself, but when it comes to proof you have none. You ask other people to prove it for you. <_<
lynx
07-16-2004, 03:06 AM
He obviously didn&#39;t learn anything from his recent moderation.
Can&#39;t help thinking that if he continues there could be another coming his way.

We all know what happens after enough warnings, but I doubt there&#39;ll be much of the Sam^4 type support. :rolleyes:
muchspl2
07-16-2004, 03:07 AM
I&#39;m not going out of my way to help him now, if he wouldn&#39;t have been such a ass I would have provide a bunch of newegg links that would surly been cheaper
if not some coupon code for dell, fuck him
he doesn&#39;t deserve any discount from www.gotapex.com or fatwallet.com
Tormentor
07-16-2004, 03:07 AM
The 9200 SE that comes with that comp says it is 256-bit. I thought even the 9800 SE was only 128-bit?
muchspl2
07-16-2004, 03:12 AM
Originally posted by lynx@15 July 2004 - 22:14
He obviously didn&#39;t learn anything from his recent moderation.
Can&#39;t help thinking that if he continues there could be another coming his way.

We all know what happens after enough warnings, but I doubt there&#39;ll be much of the Sam^4 type support. :rolleyes:
whaaa&#33; didn&#39;t mean to get so much sand in you vagina
so what you reported the other thread, surely you were told not to interact with me
I see this as a personal attack by you
sucks loosening in the game of life but don&#39;t take it personally, in fact you should get used to it
lynx
07-16-2004, 03:17 AM
Originally posted by muchspl2+16 July 2004 - 03:20--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (muchspl2 @ 16 July 2004 - 03:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@15 July 2004 - 22:14
He obviously didn&#39;t learn anything from his recent moderation.
Can&#39;t help thinking that if he continues there could be another coming his way.

We all know what happens after enough warnings, but I doubt there&#39;ll be much of the Sam^4 type support. :rolleyes:
whaaa&#33; didn&#39;t mean to get so much sand in you vagina
so what you reported the other thread, surely you were told not to interact with me
I see this as a personal attack by you
sucks loosening in the game of life but don&#39;t take it personally, in fact you should get used to it [/b][/quote]
Grow up.
muchspl2
07-16-2004, 03:20 AM
Originally posted by lynx+15 July 2004 - 22:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx @ 15 July 2004 - 22:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by muchspl2@16 July 2004 - 03:20
<!--QuoteBegin-lynx@15 July 2004 - 22:14
He obviously didn&#39;t learn anything from his recent moderation.
Can&#39;t help thinking that if he continues there could be another coming his way.

We all know what happens after enough warnings, but I doubt there&#39;ll be much of the Sam^4 type support. :rolleyes:
whaaa&#33; didn&#39;t mean to get so much sand in you vagina
so what you reported the other thread, surely you were told not to interact with me
I see this as a personal attack by you
sucks loosening in the game of life but don&#39;t take it personally, in fact you should get used to it
Grow up. [/b][/quote]
reported.
Virtualbody1234
07-16-2004, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by Monkeee@15 July 2004 - 19:56
hmm... thx ROSSCO_2004&#33; i&#39;ll look into that comp. i didn&#39;t really want a Athalon but i guess i can upgrade it a little&#33;
Why do you not want an Athlon?
Virtualbody1234
07-16-2004, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by muchspl2+15 July 2004 - 21:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (muchspl2 @ 15 July 2004 - 21:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by lynx@15 July 2004 - 22:25

Originally posted by muchspl2@16 July 2004 - 03:20
<!--QuoteBegin-lynx@15 July 2004 - 22:14
He obviously didn&#39;t learn anything from his recent moderation.
Can&#39;t help thinking that if he continues there could be another coming his way.

We all know what happens after enough warnings, but I doubt there&#39;ll be much of the Sam^4 type support. :rolleyes:
whaaa&#33; didn&#39;t mean to get so much sand in you vagina
so what you reported the other thread, surely you were told not to interact with me
I see this as a personal attack by you
sucks loosening in the game of life but don&#39;t take it personally, in fact you should get used to it
Grow up.
reported. [/b][/quote]
Good. It is very clear that you started insulting first.
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+16 July 2004 - 03:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 16 July 2004 - 03:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Monkeee@15 July 2004 - 19:56
hmm... thx ROSSCO_2004&#33; i&#39;ll look into that comp. i didn&#39;t really want a Athalon but i guess i can upgrade it a little&#33;
Why do you not want an Athlon? [/b][/quote]
well hmm.... the new computer i&#39;m trying to get will be for PURE gaming and my friend told me that Pentium is much better than Athalon for gaming :o
Virtualbody1234
07-16-2004, 03:25 AM
Originally posted by Monkeee+15 July 2004 - 21:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Monkeee &#064; 15 July 2004 - 21:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@16 July 2004 - 03:30
<!--QuoteBegin-Monkeee@15 July 2004 - 19:56
hmm... thx ROSSCO_2004&#33; i&#39;ll look into that comp. i didn&#39;t really want a Athalon but i guess i can upgrade it a little&#33;
Why do you not want an Athlon?
well hmm.... the new computer i&#39;m trying to get will be for PURE gaming and my friend told me that Pentium is much better than Athalon for gaming :o [/b][/quote]
Don&#39;t believe everything people say.
muchspl2
07-16-2004, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+15 July 2004 - 22:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 15 July 2004 - 22:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by muchspl2@15 July 2004 - 21:28

Originally posted by lynx@15 July 2004 - 22:25

Originally posted by muchspl2@16 July 2004 - 03:20
<!--QuoteBegin-lynx@15 July 2004 - 22:14
He obviously didn&#39;t learn anything from his recent moderation.
Can&#39;t help thinking that if he continues there could be another coming his way.

We all know what happens after enough warnings, but I doubt there&#39;ll be much of the Sam^4 type support. :rolleyes:
whaaa&#33; didn&#39;t mean to get so much sand in you vagina
so what you reported the other thread, surely you were told not to interact with me
I see this as a personal attack by you
sucks loosening in the game of life but don&#39;t take it personally, in fact you should get used to it
Grow up.
reported.
Good. It is very clear that you started insulting first. [/b][/quote]
yes but this started from another thread
we should just ignore each other but apparently he wasn&#39;t told
Virtualbody1234
07-16-2004, 03:27 AM
That&#39;s still no excuse for your behavior here. You obviously aren&#39;t ignoring him.
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 03:28 AM
nevermind i&#39;ll uses ROSSCO&#39;s
muchspl2
07-16-2004, 03:30 AM
Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+15 July 2004 - 22:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 15 July 2004 - 22:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by muchspl2@15 July 2004 - 21:28

Originally posted by lynx@15 July 2004 - 22:25

Originally posted by muchspl2@16 July 2004 - 03:20
<!--QuoteBegin-lynx@15 July 2004 - 22:14
He obviously didn&#39;t learn anything from his recent moderation.
Can&#39;t help thinking that if he continues there could be another coming his way.

We all know what happens after enough warnings, but I doubt there&#39;ll be much of the Sam^4 type support. :rolleyes:
whaaa&#33; didn&#39;t mean to get so much sand in you vagina
so what you reported the other thread, surely you were told not to interact with me
I see this as a personal attack by you
sucks loosening in the game of life but don&#39;t take it personally, in fact you should get used to it
Grow up.
reported.
Good. It is very clear that you started insulting first. [/b][/quote]
in the future I will just ignore him & hopefully he will do the same
tesco
07-16-2004, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by muchspl2@15 July 2004 - 22:15
I&#39;m not going out of my way to help him now, if he wouldn&#39;t have been such a ass I would have provide a bunch of newegg links that would surly been cheaper
if not some coupon code for dell, fuck him
he doesn&#39;t deserve any discount from www.gotapex.com or fatwallet.com
Don&#39;t see how he was being an ass...

you started by calling him a pussy for not building a computer...how do u know he&#39;s too scared to build one? where did u get this info?

Then he says prove it or stfu, and you wouldn&#39;t prove it, you say ur not helping him, and that others should help.

so who&#39;s being the ass?
muchspl2
07-16-2004, 03:44 AM
well maybe I was alittle harsh on him, just had a bad day and this guy lynx goes out of his way to be a ass to me after I schooled him
I apologize if I came off harsh to monkee, if no one can post a superior computer for his price rang, I will check around for him
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by muchspl2@16 July 2004 - 03:52
well maybe I was alittle harsh on him, just had a bad day and this guy lynx goes out of his way to be a ass to me after I schooled him
I apologize if I came off harsh to monkee, if no one can post a superior computer for his price rang, I will check around for him
Cool Apology Accepted :D :01:
lynx
07-16-2004, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by muchspl2@16 July 2004 - 03:52
well maybe I was alittle harsh on him, just had a bad day and this guy lynx goes out of his way to be a ass to me after I schooled him
I apologize if I came off harsh to monkee, if no one can post a superior computer for his price rang, I will check around for him
Can&#39;t leave it alone, can you.
Go back and read your posts, you are the one with all the insults.

Any more of this and I&#39;ll report every one of them.
tesco
07-16-2004, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by muchspl2@15 July 2004 - 22:52
if no one can post a superior computer for his price rang, I will check around for him
I thought I did a pretty good job of that. :P
muchspl2
07-16-2004, 03:51 AM
yes you did
bitting tongue & refusing to respond :P
haha21
07-16-2004, 04:36 AM
Just look at there reviews...
There feedback to recent buyers from the sellers.
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 04:36 AM
can anyone give me a good Pentium MOther board from new egg? i&#39;m not really good with these technicle stuff :01:

oh and dont i need a sound card for the comp u showed me ROSSCO_2004 ?
lynx
07-16-2004, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by Monkeee@16 July 2004 - 04:44
oh and dont i need a sound card for the comp u showed me ROSSCO_2004 ?
Nvidia Soundstorm included in chipset.

"6-channel Codec works with APU... to provide 3D surround audio and Dolby Digital cinematic-quality audio".

That&#39;s from the Asus manual which has the same chipset. It is far better quality than I have had from any reasonably priced add-on card.
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 07:48 AM
CD/DVD ROM Drives
Artec 56X CDROM, Model CSM-56(CHM-56), Retail

Floppy Drives
Mitsumi 1.44MB 3.5Inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model D359M3, OEM

Hard Drives
Western Digital Special Edition 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model WD800JB, OEM Drive Only

Memory (System Memory)
Geil Ultra Series Value Dual Channel 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 w/ Blue Heatspreader - Retail

Network - Interface Cards
LINKSKEY 10/100Mbps PCI Ethernet Card, Model LKF-5100+

Processors
Intel Pentium 4/ 2.8B GHz 533MHz FSB, 512K Cache - OEM

Video Cards
GeForce Fx 5200 AGP 128 Meg PNY AGP

RAIDMAX Green 10-bay Case with 420W Power Supply, Model "ATX-868WGP" -RETAIL

Specifications:

Case Type: Gaming Case
Color: Green
Material: 0.7mm SECC
Drive Bays: 5.25" x 4/0, 3.5" x 2/4 (external/internal)
Expansion Slots: 7
Front Ports: 2xUSB2.0, Audio
Power Supply: 420W
Cooling System: 2 x in-take temperature control fans
Motherboard Compatibility: ATX Form Factor 12" x 10.5" or smaller
Dimensions: 7.8" x 17.7" x 17" (WxDxH)

well i tryed configuring this computer but i&#39;m not really good at choosing mother boards. and if you see anything wrong or missing with the above can you please post it&#33; oh and the case is the power supply right?
lynx
07-16-2004, 08:40 AM
The obvious points first.

1) Surely you would want a DVD burner rather than a CDROM drive?
2) Network card - many motherbaords have built in network port, if so you won&#39;t need this.
3) Graphics card. The 9200 does not support DirectX 9, so it won&#39;t play the latest games. You could go for a 9600 or a FX5600 for not much more money. Or a FX5200 for about the same price.

I&#39;m not up on P4 motherboards so I can&#39;t help you much there.
Perhaps the ABIT "IS7" i865PE Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU -RETAIL has everything you need, but I&#39;m sure someone will correct me if I&#39;m wrong. It has built-in networking as I suggested.

The built-in audio on Intel motherboards generally tends to be lower quality than the Nvidia Soundstorm mentioned earlier, so you may want to consider a sound card for better quality and performance. But you can always add that later if you want.

The case seems something of an overkill. 10 bays (4 optical, 2 fdd, 4 hdd) but you&#39;ve only got one of each. The power suppply rating seems about right, but it will be a generic one. My preference would be to get a slightly smaller case without a psu, and pick a good quality psu separately (such as Enermax, Antec or Thermaltake).
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by lynx@16 July 2004 - 08:48
The obvious points first.

1) Surely you would want a DVD burner rather than a CDROM drive?
2) Network card - many motherbaords have built in network port, if so you won&#39;t need this.
3) Graphics card. The 9200 does not support DirectX 9, so it won&#39;t play the latest games. You could go for a 9600 or a FX5600 for not much more money. Or a FX5200 for about the same price.

I&#39;m not up on P4 motherboards so I can&#39;t help you much there.
Perhaps the ABIT "IS7" i865PE Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU -RETAIL has everything you need, but I&#39;m sure someone will correct me if I&#39;m wrong. It has built-in networking as I suggested.

The built-in audio on Intel motherboards generally tends to be lower quality than the Nvidia Soundstorm mentioned earlier, so you may want to consider a sound card for better quality and performance. But you can always add that later if you want.

The case seems something of an overkill. 10 bays (4 optical, 2 fdd, 4 hdd) but you&#39;ve only got one of each. The power suppply rating seems about right, but it will be a generic one. My preference would be to get a slightly smaller case without a psu, and pick a good quality psu separately (such as Enermax, Antec or Thermaltake).
well this computer is going to be only for pure gaming so there wont be any other applications or programs besides so i dont need a dvd burner cause i have the computer right now i&#39;m using for all my burning,downloading,music,etc etc. well i guess i&#39;ll just wait for someone to reply with better experiences with a p4 motherboard :) oh do i have to change the case? i need a good looking gaming case like the RAIDMAX Green and it seems like a good price with a 420W already in the case
lynx
07-16-2004, 09:05 AM
If the pc is going to stay in one place, the case is fine, I was simply making suggestions.

On the other hand if you are likely to want to move it around (say take it to friends&#39; houses) you would certainly want something much smaller. In that case I would suggest a micro-atx case and matching motherboard. This would reduce the height to about 2/3 of that case and make it much more manageable. The price would be much the same and there are some smaller cases which look just as good.

But cheap psu&#39;s have a tendency to fail, and sometimes take other components down with them. You may have trouble with warranty on the other components if that&#39;s the cause of the failure. It is a shame to risk several hundred dollars worth of equipment for the sake of a &#036;20 psu upgrade.

If it is purely for gaming, you definitely need a much higher spec graphics card, definitely not the 9200 and I would suggest not the FX5200. Look in the pinned guide for more information.
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by lynx@16 July 2004 - 09:13
If the pc is going to stay in one place, the case is fine, I was simply making suggestions.

On the other hand if you are likely to want to move it around (say take it to friends&#39; houses) you would certainly want something much smaller. In that case I would suggest a micro-atx case and matching motherboard. This would reduce the height to about 2/3 of that case and make it much more manageable. The price would be much the same and there are some smaller cases which look just as good.

But cheap psu&#39;s have a tendency to fail, and sometimes take other components down with them. You may have trouble with warranty on the other components if that&#39;s the cause of the failure. It is a shame to risk several hundred dollars worth of equipment for the sake of a &#036;20 psu upgrade.

If it is purely for gaming, you definitely need a much higher spec graphics card, definitely not the 9200 and I would suggest not the FX5200. Look in the pinned guide for more information.
hmm... what causes them to fail? is it if you play for a long period of time? and the video card i cant get right now. i have limited money so i cant get the greatest card yet but probally gonna get a G-Force Fx 5200 AGP
lynx
07-16-2004, 09:40 AM
They usually fail because of low quality caps.

When you turn the pc on you get a big inrush of power. That is usually when they fail.

Either that or voltage spikes, cheap psu&#39;s have poorer protection.
Super Dude
07-16-2004, 12:44 PM
Since you&#39;re considering getting a 5200, you might want to take a look at this review (http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/tul9550/5.html), for the ATI Radeon 9550 - it is Nvidia&#39;s 5200 competitor.The 128mb/128 bit is available at NewEgg for &#036;76.99.

Since you have a limited budget, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s wise to get a P4 2.8.It&#39;s more expensive than Amd, and most of Intel&#39;s motherboards have low-quality onboard sound.Take a look at this comparison (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/sound_for_games-03.html#benchmarks), between onboard sound and soundcards as an edification as to why Lynx recommended a soundcard, and mentioned about the nVidia Soundstorm - keep in mind, sound does effect the peformance of games.The nVidia Soundstorm onboard sound is intergrated in some Amd motherboards.Abit&#39;s NF7-S and Asus&#39; A7N8X-E-Deluxe series are two motherboards which has the nVidia Soundstorm onboard sound intergrated, so you might want to check them out, if you&#39;re considering getting an Amd Athlon.

IMHO, there&#39;s no point getting a P4 2.8, when you have a low-end Vga card for games - even if you bought an A64, or P4 3.2 EE - you&#39;ll still be having lags in games due to the Vga Card.An Amd Athlon 2500+, can easily be overclocked to 3200+ speeds, with a stock HSF.And it&#39;s performance will be almost the same or even better than Intel&#39;s P4 2.8.

Save your money and get an Amd CPU, and use it to get a better Vga Card.ATI&#39;s 9800 Pro&#39;s have dropped in price, and could be bought for less than &#036;200.

Your call.
Storm
07-16-2004, 02:25 PM
i agree, get an AMD, Intel is a lil better, but AMD has a way better cost/performance ratio......

id get something like this:

Asus A7n8x-x mobo &#036;58
AMD XP 2500+ &#036; 75/&#036;81 (depending if you want the standard HSF)
512 MB RAM DDR 400 (get kingston or crucial) around &#036;95
Ati 9800PRO video card (around &#036;200)
CDrom drive (around &#036;30 will give you a CD RW)

total will be around 460

REMEMBER, this doesnt give you a Monitor, speakers, keyboard and such...... these are all kinda personal stuff, and you know best what you want from that
Virtualbody1234
07-16-2004, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Monkeee+16 July 2004 - 03:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Monkeee @ 16 July 2004 - 03:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@16 July 2004 - 09:13
If the pc is going to stay in one place, the case is fine, I was simply making suggestions.

On the other hand if you are likely to want to move it around (say take it to friends&#39; houses) you would certainly want something much smaller. In that case I would suggest a micro-atx case and matching motherboard. This would reduce the height to about 2/3 of that case and make it much more manageable. The price would be much the same and there are some smaller cases which look just as good.

But cheap psu&#39;s have a tendency to fail, and sometimes take other components down with them. You may have trouble with warranty on the other components if that&#39;s the cause of the failure. It is a shame to risk several hundred dollars worth of equipment for the sake of a &#036;20 psu upgrade.

If it is purely for gaming, you definitely need a much higher spec graphics card, definitely not the 9200 and I would suggest not the FX5200. Look in the pinned guide for more information.
hmm... what causes them to fail? is it if you play for a long period of time? and the video card i cant get right now. i have limited money so i cant get the greatest card yet but probally gonna get a G-Force Fx 5200 AGP [/b][/quote]
If you cannot afford a better video card then again why get a P4?

Get an AMD 2500+ and some PC3200 RAM. Run it at 400MHz FSB and you end up with better than P4 2.8 performance for less money. Use the extra cash to pay for a better graphics card.
tesco
07-16-2004, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by lynx@16 July 2004 - 04:48
They usually fail because of low quality caps.

When you turn the pc on you get a big inrush of power. That is usually when they fail.

Either that or voltage spikes, cheap psu&#39;s have poorer protection.
ha mine died while i was playing need for speed 5 :01:
lynx
07-16-2004, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by Super Dude@16 July 2004 - 12:52
Since you&#39;re considering getting a 5200, you might want to take a look at this review (http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/tul9550/5.html), for the ATI Radeon 9550 - it is Nvidia&#39;s 5200 competitor.The 128mb/128 bit is available at NewEgg for &#036;76.99.

Since you have a limited budget, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s wise to get a P4 2.8.It&#39;s more expensive than Amd, and most of Intel&#39;s motherboards have low-quality onboard sound.Take a look at this comparison (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/sound_for_games-03.html#benchmarks), between onboard sound and soundcards as an edification as to why Lynx recommended a soundcard, and mentioned about the nVidia Soundstorm - keep in mind, sound does effect the peformance of games.The nVidia Soundstorm onboard sound is intergrated in some Amd motherboards.Abit&#39;s NF7-S and Asus&#39; A7N8X-E-Deluxe series are two motherboards which has the nVidia Soundstorm onboard sound intergrated, so you might want to check them out, if you&#39;re considering getting an Amd Athlon.

IMHO, there&#39;s no point getting a P4 2.8, when you have a low-end Vga card for games - even if you bought an A64, or P4 3.2 EE - you&#39;ll still be having lags in games due to the Vga Card.An Amd Athlon 2500+, can easily be overclocked to 3200+ speeds, with a stock HSF.And it&#39;s performance will be almost the same or even better than Intel&#39;s P4 2.8.

Save your money and get an Amd CPU, and use it to get a better Vga Card.ATI&#39;s 9800 Pro&#39;s have dropped in price, and could be bought for less than &#036;200.

Your call.
Nice post.
lynx
07-16-2004, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004+16 July 2004 - 18:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ROSSCO_2004 @ 16 July 2004 - 18:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@16 July 2004 - 04:48
They usually fail because of low quality caps.

When you turn the pc on you get a big inrush of power. That is usually when they fail.

Either that or voltage spikes, cheap psu&#39;s have poorer protection.
ha mine died while i was playing need for speed 5 :01: [/b][/quote]
Yea, but you were going too fast anyway. ;)
tesco
07-16-2004, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by lynx+16 July 2004 - 15:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx @ 16 July 2004 - 15:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by ROSSCO_2004@16 July 2004 - 18:00
<!--QuoteBegin-lynx@16 July 2004 - 04:48
They usually fail because of low quality caps.

When you turn the pc on you get a big inrush of power. That is usually when they fail.

Either that or voltage spikes, cheap psu&#39;s have poorer protection.
ha mine died while i was playing need for speed 5 :01:
Yea, but you were going too fast anyway. ;) [/b][/quote]
ya, i was winning too, but it was an easy race anyway so i was able to get back to where i was pretty fast. ;)
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 08:44 PM
is overclocking easy? doesen&#39;t have risks? oh and i&#39;m trying to get these run high quality games that are coming out such as DOOM III, Half-life 2, etc etc

the minimum machine specs for decent performance on Half-life 2 will be a 1.2GHz CPU with 256MB RAM, Win 98/ME/2000/XP and a DirectX 7 capable graphics card

half-life2 recommended system specs which are as follows: a 2.4 GHz CPU with 512MB RAM, Windows 2000/XP and a DirectX 9 graphics card.

1GHz CPU
256MB RAM
GF1 or Radeon 7xxx series card

this is the minumum sysm requirements for DOOM III and wont run very well with the specs above or pretty much anything close to it
Storm
07-16-2004, 09:04 PM
overclocking an XP 2500+ is really easy........ just a couple of bios settings to change........ your are risking a couple of things though:
1) your warranty
2) you might fry your system

now #2 doesnt happen that often, but you do have to be carefull

#1 is to your own decision......
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by Storm@16 July 2004 - 21:12
overclocking an XP 2500+ is really easy........ just a couple of bios settings to change........ your are risking a couple of things though:
1) your warranty
2) you might fry your system

now #2 doesnt happen that often, but you do have to be carefull

#1 is to your own decision......
damnit now i&#39;m scared :frusty:
Storm
07-16-2004, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Monkeee+16 July 2004 - 22:13--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Monkeee @ 16 July 2004 - 22:13)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Storm@16 July 2004 - 21:12
overclocking an XP 2500+ is really easy........ just a couple of bios settings to change........ your are risking a couple of things though:
1) your warranty
2) you might fry your system

now #2 doesnt happen that often, but you do have to be carefull

#1 is to your own decision......
damnit now i&#39;m scared :frusty: [/b][/quote]
:lol:

no, seriously.......

google a lil on "overclock amd 2500" (http://www.google.nl/search?q=overclock+amd+2500&ie=UTF-8&hl=nl&btnG=Google+zoeken&lr=)...... read around a lil........ you&#39;ll get what im talking about.....
tesco
07-16-2004, 09:25 PM
as long as you monitor the temps and don&#39;t do anything drastic (like ocing to 5ghz or rasing vcore to 3v) then nothing bad will happen.

worst case you can&#39;t boot and gotta reset cmos (not too likely)
Virtualbody1234
07-16-2004, 09:27 PM
Get a board that supports AMD 3200+, get some PC3200 RAM, drop in a 2500+ and then all you would need to do is set the FSB to 400MHz. Very easy to find in BIOS settings.

Make sure to have good case ventilation and that the CPU cooler is properly installed (preferably with Arctic Silver) and check the temperatures after building it. That&#39;s basicly all that&#39;s needed.
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 09:36 PM
ok well since all of you guys reccomend getting an AMD can you just tell me exactly what to buy on New egg Pweez? and i dunno what to choose for power supply :o :rolleyes: (this is my first time building a comp and dont want to screw up :D ) oh and if i get my comp can you guys help me overclock it to 3200 without destroying my comp :D

i thought about getting this case

NZXT Green ATX MId Tower Case with Side Panel Window, Model "GUARDIAN" -RETAIL

Model# GUARDIAN GRN
Item # N82E16811146004

Specifications:
Case Type: Mid-Tower
Color: Green
Material: All metal construction(SGCC)
Drive Bays: 5x 5.25", 2x 3.5", 3x 3.5"(Internal)
Expansion Slots: 7
Front Ports: 2x USB2.0, Audio Ports
Power Supply: 400W
Cooling System: 1x Tri-color LED Fan (side panel), 1x 80mm Fans in rear
Motherboard Compatibility: ATX, MicroATX, Baby AT, Mini ATX
Dimensions: 8" D x 21" W x 17" H

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-146-004&depa=0 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-146-004&depa=0)

if i have enough money..
Virtualbody1234
07-16-2004, 09:46 PM
How about...

This CPU: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-103-379&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-379&depa=1)

This Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-103-907&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-907&depa=1)
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 09:51 PM
hmm... http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-148-006&DEPA=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=17-148-006&DEPA=1) this has 500W... doesn&#39;t that make this one better

wait so if i overclock my to 3200+ its good ass a 2.8 Pentium 4? it said that a 3200 Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz...
Virtualbody1234
07-16-2004, 09:55 PM
Not nessasarly. Not all power supply companies use the same wattage calculation methods.
Virtualbody1234
07-16-2004, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by Monkeee@16 July 2004 - 15:59
hmm... http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-148-006&DEPA=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=17-148-006&DEPA=1) this has 500W... doesn&#39;t that make this one better

wait so if i overclock my to 3200+ its good ass a 2.8 Pentium 4? it said that a 3200 Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz...
It will be faster than the P4 2.8. The AMD does more "work" per cycle.
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+16 July 2004 - 22:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 16 July 2004 - 22:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Monkeee@16 July 2004 - 15:59
hmm... http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-148-006&DEPA=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=17-148-006&DEPA=1) this has 500W... doesn&#39;t that make this one better

wait so if i overclock my to 3200+ its good ass a 2.8 Pentium 4? it said that a 3200 Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz...
It will be faster than the P4 2.8. The AMD does more "work" per cycle. [/b][/quote]
ok sweet thx and how about this as a video card

SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -RETAIL

Model# RADEON 9800PRO 128 R
Item # N82E16814102281

Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9800PRO/380MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/680MHz
BUS: AGP 4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video Out)+DVI Connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®2.0
Cable/Accessories: 3 Cables, VGA via DVI Adapter, Composite via S-Video Adpater, 4 CD
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
Retail Box (See pics for details)


Price: &#036;211.00
tesco
07-16-2004, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by Monkeee+16 July 2004 - 17:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Monkeee @ 16 July 2004 - 17:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@16 July 2004 - 22:04
<!--QuoteBegin-Monkeee@16 July 2004 - 15:59
hmm... http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-148-006&DEPA=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=17-148-006&DEPA=1) this has 500W... doesn&#39;t that make this one better

wait so if i overclock my to 3200+ its good ass a 2.8 Pentium 4? it said that a 3200 Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz...
It will be faster than the P4 2.8. The AMD does more "work" per cycle.
ok sweet thx and how about this as a video card

SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -RETAIL

Model# RADEON 9800PRO 128 R
Item # N82E16814102281

Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9800PRO/380MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/680MHz
BUS: AGP 4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video Out)+DVI Connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®2.0
Cable/Accessories: 3 Cables, VGA via DVI Adapter, Composite via S-Video Adpater, 4 CD
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
Retail Box (See pics for details)


Price: &#036;211.00 [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s a great card. :)
Super Dude
07-16-2004, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by Monkeee@16 July 2004 - 22:18
ok sweet thx and how about this as a video card

SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -RETAIL
Now you&#39;re talking. B)

And here&#39;s a motherboard for your AMD 2500+:
Abit NF7-S (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-166&depa=1)
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Super Dude+16 July 2004 - 22:29--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Super Dude @ 16 July 2004 - 22:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Monkeee@16 July 2004 - 22:18
ok sweet thx and how about this as a video card

SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -RETAIL
Now you&#39;re talking. B)

And here&#39;s a motherboard for your AMD 2500+:
Abit NF7-S (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-166&depa=1) [/b][/quote]
everyone agree with this mother board?
tesco
07-16-2004, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by Monkeee+16 July 2004 - 17:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Monkeee @ 16 July 2004 - 17:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Super Dude@16 July 2004 - 22:29
<!--QuoteBegin-Monkeee@16 July 2004 - 22:18
ok sweet thx and how about this as a video card

SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -RETAIL
Now you&#39;re talking. B)

And here&#39;s a motherboard for your AMD 2500+:
Abit NF7-S (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-166&depa=1)
everyone agree with this mother board? [/b][/quote]
I do. ;)
clocker
07-16-2004, 10:57 PM
Me too.
With the included Serillel adaptor you can run your HDD on SATA.
Monkeee
07-16-2004, 11:16 PM
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hm.. with all this its like 506&#036; i still haven&#39;t bought the ram.. its pretty pricey

after i added the kingston ram its about 600 and is till need a case this going kinda going over my limit :(

ahh screw it this computer shit is to hard for me
Virtualbody1234
07-17-2004, 02:21 AM
How about a case with power supply.

This Antec 350W SmartPower: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-129-150&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-150&depa=1)

Or even Antec Sonata 380W TruePower: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-129-127&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-127&depa=1)
Keikan
07-20-2004, 12:38 AM
but it can easily be oced to 3200+ speeds with the stock heatsink

*results may vary
clocker
07-20-2004, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by Monkeee@16 July 2004 - 16:24


ahh screw it this computer shit is to hard for me
Actually, this is the hard part.
Putting the parts together is a piece o cake.
mattesca
07-21-2004, 02:48 AM
yeah it is easy puttin the shit together