Proposal For Bittorent Torrent Section

[rookiecrd1]

Ok the proposal is to make an entire category just like the categories "Announcements and Information" "filesharing" "codecs", etc

It would be call bittorent or Torrents. We would have one main folder and then a folder for each type of file "movies", "music", "TV", "software", etc

In the file type folder only torrent links would be allowed where the title of the file is in the title and the link is in the body. All other posts would be moved to the main folder.

Whats is everyones opinion on this, suggestions, legal advice?

Brian

[Spicker]

well you know wt im going to say...

Go for it! ;)



Jay

[DanB]

I say it sounds like a mighty fine plan

[Spicker]

Originally posted by danb@25 July 2004 - 21:14
I say it sounds like a mighty fine plan
why do u UKanians talk so good english :angry: and so fancy :angry:

teach me!
enlighten ME! :blink: :01:

[DanB]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5+25 July 2004 - 21:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jaigandhi5 @ 25 July 2004 - 21:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-danb@25 July 2004 - 21:14
I say it sounds like a mighty fine plan
why do u UKanians talk so good english :angry: and so fancy :angry:

teach me&#33;
enlighten ME&#33; :blink: :01: [/b][/quote]
My dear boy, you are the smartest kid on the planet, how could uyou need my help?



Just to stay on topic - yeah :01:

[Cheese]

Whats is everyones opinion on this, suggestions, legal advice?

I guess the files you would get the most &#39;heat&#39; for will be:

M&#036; stuff
Films still on at the cinemas
MP3s


I really have no clue to the legal side of things, whether you could be shut down for this but I know a lot of trackers/forums don&#39;t allow these torrents. Kind of defeats the purpose I know, so it might be worth looking into this properly.

[muchspl2]

doo itt

[Spicker]

im goin out now will be back late so hopefully by then i will see the sections

bye&#33; :)

[iMartin]

Originally posted by Withcheese@25 July 2004 - 14:21

Whats is everyones opinion on this, suggestions, legal advice?

I guess the files you would get the most &#39;heat&#39; for will be:

M&#036; stuff
Films still on at the cinemas
MP3s


I really have no clue to the legal side of things, whether you could be shut down for this but I know a lot of trackers/forums don&#39;t allow these torrents. Kind of defeats the purpose I know, so it might be worth looking into this properly.
That, doesn&#39;t that pretty much cover everything? But, as Ron White said, you never get anywhere if you worry about what&#39;s gonna happen about it tomarrow. Or some shit like that...

But I say, go for it. On the other hand you might wanna shorten the title of the main forum page, it&#39;s way too long, the whole title don&#39;t even fit.

[DanB]

At the end of the day you don&#39;t want to attract unwanted attention here and get the site shut down do you

[TheRealDave]

i think it&#39;s a good idea. As for legal advise i have no idea, sorry.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by [&#045;Crono&#045;]+25 July 2004 - 20:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ([-Crono-] @ 25 July 2004 - 20:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese@25 July 2004 - 14:21

Whats is everyones opinion on this, suggestions, legal advice?

I guess the files you would get the most &#39;heat&#39; for will be:

M&#036; stuff
Films still on at the cinemas
MP3s


I really have no clue to the legal side of things, whether you could be shut down for this but I know a lot of trackers/forums don&#39;t allow these torrents. Kind of defeats the purpose I know, so it might be worth looking into this properly.
That, doesn&#39;t that pretty much cover everything? But, as Ron White said, you never get anywhere if you worry about what&#39;s gonna happen about it tomarrow. Or some shit like that...

But I say, go for it. On the other hand you might wanna shorten the title of the main forum page, it&#39;s way too long, the whole title don&#39;t even fit. [/b][/quote]
Good point.

I reckon we should steer clear of M&#036; stuff though &#39;cos that is what POTUK (a good UK BT forum) got shut down for temporarily.

And pr0n, let&#39;s just have that banned as well. This site attracts children as well, so we shouldn&#39;t really carry that either.

[DanB]

Yeah thats a good point Cheese. I don&#39;t think its neccessary to have porn here either

Unless its gep of course :01:

[TheRealDave]

Originally posted by Withcheese@25 July 2004 - 20:54
And pr0n, let&#39;s just have that banned as well. This site attracts children as well, so we shouldn&#39;t really carry that either.
Welll said :)

Porn is banned on the board so it should be in the bittorrent section too :)

[Cheese]

What maybe a good idea is for members to set up there own trackers for limited times. Maybe even take in turns or something, I&#39;m only just looking into it but it can&#39;t be that hard...can it? :unsure:

[TheRealDave]

Originally posted by Withcheese@25 July 2004 - 21:20
What maybe a good idea is for members to set up there own trackers for limited times.&nbsp; Maybe even take in turns or something, I&#39;m only just looking into it but it can&#39;t be that hard...can it? :unsure:
and maybe set the address from no-ip.com? so as each person changes they just log into no-ip.com and become the tracker.

edit, on second thoughts unless they have a fast computer, connection and possibly be running linux it may become difficult and slow. It would still work though

[muchspl2]

oddly enough porn would bring the least attention, whereas movies/software will bring cease and desist orders

[Jg427]

7. Posts that contain direct download links to copyrighted software, private ftp sites, serial numbers, warez sites, and hacking sites are prohibited. Posts directly or indirectly related to any of this information will be edited. Hacking discussions are strictly prohibited within the forum. Sig2dat and ED2K hashes are NOT considered to be DDL, therefore allowed. Torrent links are never allowed as they contain detailed file location information and enable users to instantly download a file.

It&#39;s my understanding that this rule is based on past legal advice. Then again, maybe that was bs. from 7th.

I would not like to see this site shut down because of torrents. Is it really worth the risk?

[Cheese]

Setting up a tracker is easier than I thought...just learned how to do it since this topic started and have successfully used it to upload stuff to DanB. :lol:

http://bnbteasytracker.sourceforge.net/

http://bnbteasytracker.sourceforge.net/documentation.php


(Unfortunately DanB didn&#39;t seed the file so I banned his ass...)

[DanB]

Originally posted by Withcheese@25 July 2004 - 22:54
Setting up a tracker is easier than I thought...just learned how to do it since this topic started and have successfully used it to upload stuff to DanB. :lol:

http://bnbteasytracker.sourceforge.net/

http://bnbteasytracker.sourceforge.net/documentation.php


(Unfortunately DanB didn&#39;t seed the file so I banned his ass...)
:lol: :lol: :lol:

What he forgets to mention is that he didnt let the torrent finish :angry:



I really wanted that Holly Valance song too :rolleyes:

[rookiecrd1]

I don&#39;t want to risk getting the site shut down either. I do not see however how posting a link to a place to download something is illegal when people are not downloading from this site.

That would be like someone getting arrested for writing a book on how to make a bomb, or how to steal from a vending machine, wouldn&#39;t it? Don&#39;t freedom of speech laws protect against this kind of thing?
Brian

[3223]

definantly yes :)

[Cheese]

Originally posted by rookiecrd1@25 July 2004 - 22:04
I don&#39;t want to risk getting the site shut down either. I do not see however how posting a link to a place to download something is illegal when people are not downloading from this site.

That would be like someone getting arrested for writing a book on how to make a bomb, or how to steal from a vending machine, wouldn&#39;t it? Don&#39;t freedom of speech laws protect against this kind of thing?
Brian
You&#39;re probably right Brian, and if you have nothing to do with the trackers you are even less accountable.




Still I think we should say no to pr0n torrents though. <_<

[rookiecrd1]

Most of the feedback is postive, but I have talked to a few people whom say it would risk getting the forum shutdown. This I do not want.

Brian

[DanB]

I think torrent files are okay in the US aren&#39;t they not? :unsure:

[rookiecrd1]

Try to find me some literature on the legality of torrent links being posted. I don&#39;t want to move forward until I am sure we will not be shut down.

Brian

[Entity101]

Originally posted by rookiecrd1@26 July 2004 - 00:04
I don&#39;t want to risk getting the site shut down either. I do not see however how posting a link to a place to download something is illegal when people are not downloading from this site.

That would be like someone getting arrested for writing a book on how to make a bomb, or how to steal from a vending machine, wouldn&#39;t it? Don&#39;t freedom of speech laws protect against this kind of thing?
Brian
If I am correct there have been lawsuits in the US (and other countries) about hyperlinks pointing directly to illegal content. I don&#39;t know to what extend this may apply to torrents. Hashes are no problem, but torrents contain sources too.

Nevertheless, the Internet is full of illegal stuff. Removing content upon request of it&#39;s owner (e.g. M&#036;) usually avoids any legal troubles.


The Anarchist Cookbook is illegal in the US, if I am not mistaken.

[DanB]

Originally posted by Entity101@25 July 2004 - 23:23
Nevertheless, the Internet is full of illegal stuff. Removing content upon request of it&#39;s owner (e.g. M&#036;) usually avoids any legal troubles.

So we do it until someone says something? :unsure:

[TheRealDave]

i think suprnova had a problem a while back where M&#036; thretened to close them down if they didnt remove all M&#036; products, they did so and they&#39;re still there. Now they have M&#036; products back so i dont see whats up there :lol:

[DanB]

Suprnova is hosted in Slovenia though, I don&#39;t think thats actually got any laws governing that sort of thing



http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=475

[Broken]

A torrent file is 100% legal in every country that I know of.
It is a text file that contains the following.

The Location of a tracker, a user given file name, and size.

For example, the following sentence contains all the information in a torrent file.
The file by the name of "how to burn a cd", is on a tracker located at 22.3363.xxx, it is 53mbs in size.

Nothing illegal. And I have to say it really pisses off "the powers that be", that there is nothing illegal there. Absolutly nothing that even close the the work that they may hold the rights to.


This reminds me of a situation that another torrent forum site went through with Warner Bros. I copied this post by thier Admin.


Little story for you all.......................

Our tracker hosts received this on friday night/saturday morning depending on where you live

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Network Operations Center:

We are writing this letter on behalf of Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.
("Warner Bros.").

As you may know, Warner Bros. is the holder of rights under copyright,
including exclusive distribution rights, in and to the motion picture(s)
listed above.

No one is authorized to perform, exhibit, reproduce, transmit, or otherwise
distribute the above-mentioned work(s) without the express written
permission of Warner Bros., which permission Warner Bros. has not granted to



We have received information that an individual has utilized the
above-referenced IP address at the noted date and time to offer downloads of

the above-mentioned work through a "peer-to-peer" service.

The attached documentation specifies the location on your network where the
infringement occurred, the number of repeat violations recorded at this
specific location, as well as any available identifying information.

The distribution of unauthorized copies of copyrighted motion pictures
constitutes copyright infringement under the Copyright Act, Title 17 United
States Code Section 106(3). This conduct may also violate the laws of other
countries, international law, and/or treaty obligations.

Since you own this IP address, we request that you immediately do the
following:

1) Disable access to the individual who has engaged in the conduct described

above; and
2) Terminate any and all accounts that this individual has through you.

On behalf of Warner Bros., owner of the exclusive rights to the copyrighted
material at issue in this notice, we hereby state, pursuant to the Digital
Millennium Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 512, that we
have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained
of is not authorized by Warner Bros., its respective agents, or the law.

Also pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we hereby state that
we believe the information in this notification is accurate, and, under
penalty of perjury, that MediaSentry is authorized to act on behalf of the
owner of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this
notification.

Please contact us at the above listed address or by replying to this email
should you have any questions.

We appreciate your assistance and thank you for your cooperation in this
matter. In your future correspondence with us, please refer to Case ID
2555193.

Your prompt response is requested.

Respectfully,

Mark Weaver,
Director of Enforcement
MediaSentry, Inc.
(212) 925-9997



------------------------------
Infringement Detail:
Infringing Work: Mystic River - DVD
Filepath: Mystic.River.FS.DVDR_BooZerS[torrent files are not allowed]/
Filename: mysticfs-boozers.r00
First Found: 4 May 2004 14:10:9 EDT (GMT -0400)
Last Found: 4 May 2004 14:10:9 EDT (GMT -0400)
Filesize: 48,828k
IP Port: 80
Network: BTTrackers
Protocol: BitTorrent
====================================


So our tracker server got taken offline - we were shut down again..... BOOOOOO&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


Till we decided - well f**k that - it aint happening - and we went to the server hosts with everything we got. and the long and short of it - they looked and said - -- yeah you&#39;re right enough - f**k them ---- you&#39;re clean and turned the server back on -------

the reasoning behind this

Theres no links on the server

Theres no files on the server

In fact - there aint much of anything on there apart from the 110 K of tracker software - which is 100 % LEGAL - and the server peeps agreed with us - its 100 % legal

So what does this mean for us ????

well basically now our hosts have looked and said nah you&#39;re perfectly legal and given us the server back - the initials need to go to ANY tracker hosts and say - they have software on your servers which is 100% legal, but then could be used for illegal stuff to and we just dont like it - shut them down...and like they&#39;re gonna listen to that line especially now they have taken OUR side

So there we go - we could have just accepted the loss of another server, and took our tracker elsewhere - but f**k that - we made a stance against the intials and its paid off in not only this forums favour but the whole BT communities favour - we now have server hosts and isps tellnig them to go f**k themselves it aint illegal to run a tracker

The same thing goes for torrent files, F**ck&#39;em. It ain&#39;t illegal to host a torrent file, and it ain&#39;t illegal to run a tracker.

I won&#39;t say that there is no risk to users of the torrent files. Many torrent forums host warning like this....

Disclaimer: None of the files shown here are actually hosted on this server. The links are provided solely by this site&#39;s users. The administrator of this site cannot be held responsible for what its users post, or any other actions of its users. You may not use this site to distribute or download any material when you do not have the legal rights to do so. It is your own responsibility to adhere to these terms.


If you want to see how a torrent forum is set up, here is one of the best. Learn from what others have already done.
www.phoenix-torrents.com

[tesco]

hmm well after reading that i guess it would be fine to setup.

but rookie maybe u should talk to the server host guy and make sure he is on your side on this before hand. ;)

also u ever find out what happened to uploading avatars and sigs? :blink:

[rookiecrd1]

Hmm, any other information on this topic and past court cases, etc?

My server admin is a friend of mine. He is the largest reseller of burst servers. He doesn&#39;t care what I do, its just that i don&#39;t want Burst shutting me down.

Brian

[Broken]

Q5. Is BT legal?
The technology itself is legal. Torrent files, the files posted on BT websites like File Soup, are also legal as they are only text files. The files distributed with BT may not always be because there is no inherit copyright-protection technology or usage tracking technology built into BT. Since all of this legality stuff also depends on your country and its laws, the onus is upon the BT user to check and verify what exactly you’re distributing, and to be aware of the laws in your area. The actual users of BT can be held accountable for violations if laws apply in your area.

http://boards.slackercentral.com/showthrea...?t=35745&page=3 (http://boards.slackercentral.com/showthread.php?t=35745&page=3)

[LEGAL-1] Q: Are bit torrents legal?
Bit Torrents themselves are entirely legal. However, the use of the Bit Torrent Network to distribute copyrighted material without the express consent of the owner is illegal. Therefore, ripping a DVD and distributing it as a bit torrent is illegal. Recording a TV show and distributing it is probably illegal as well. Distributing a company&#39;s software without their consent is illegal.
http://www.monduna.com/bt/faq.html#LEGAL_1

What&#39;s in a torrent file?
BitTorrent dumper
I was experimenting with BitTorrent, so I wrote a little file dumper to see what was in the mysterious [torrent files are not allowed] files. The code doesn&#39;t just parse the protocol; it&#39;ll dump whatever the decoder can find. Sample output:

info
length 41470132
piece length 262144
name Halo2_E3.wmv
pieces [159 SHA-1 values]
announce http://news.gametab.com:6969/announce

http://www.nelson.monkey.org/~nelson/weblog/tech/bittorrent


[LEGAL-5] Q: What files/sites are being targeted?
Sites that host trackers are the primary targets for legal action. If a tracker host is taken down, then all torrents that use that site to connect to other users will no longer be able to function.

See my above post. Tracker software is not illegal. However, apparently it&#39;s like painting a big red "x" on you ass.
http://www.monduna.com/bt/faq.html#LEGAL_1

[LEGAL-3] Q: Why are so many torrent sites being shut down?
Torrent sites are being shut down because they violate copyright law. The people that own the copyrights to a particular work contact the owners of the site, or the company that hosts the site and threaten to take legal action against the site. Sometimes the site&#39;s host will disable the site, and sometimes the site&#39;s webmaster will take the site down themselves to avoid legal trouble.
See my above post involving Wanrner Bros. and Phoenix-torrents. You cannot scare at the drop of a dime when running a torrent site. You must have total faith that Torrent Files are legal, and It is only torrent files being hosted on you site. NOT COPYWRITED MATERIAL&#33; I would also strongly subjest that the warning, "None of the files shown here are actually hosted on this server. The links are provided solely by this site&#39;s users. The administrator of this site cannot be held responsible for what its users post, or any other actions of its users. You may not use this site to distribute or download any material when you do not have the legal rights to do so. It is your own responsibility to adhere to these terms." be posted anywhere torrent files may appear on your site.


HOSTING TORRENT FILES IS NOT ILLEGAL
It is important to understand what a torrent file it, a text file.
The powers that be do tend to target torrent sites. Although the torrents are not illegal, what people may choose to do with them maybe. As with the Supreme Courts decision regaruding Kazaa.... "the software is totally legal. However, individual users can be held responcible for thier illegal use of." It is up to each user as to wither or not they are willing to take this risk.

For other questions regaurding setting up a torrent site, I would be happy to contact an Admin. of such a site with on your behalf.

Broken

[tesco]

Originally posted by rookiecrd1@25 July 2004 - 18:47
Hmm, any other information on this topic and past court cases, etc?

My server admin is a friend of mine. He is the largest reseller of burst servers. He doesn&#39;t care what I do, its just that i don&#39;t want Burst shutting me down.

Brian
Ask him to look into the sig uploading, and avatar uploading, problems.

[BawA]

the best thing is to have a Folder under each Forums for BT Torrents just like we have "verified Hahsed" under game, movies, music and software worlds.

[BawA]

Originally posted by Broken@26 July 2004 - 04:43
Q5. Is BT legal?
The technology itself is legal. Torrent files, the files posted on BT websites like File Soup, are also legal as they are only text files. The files distributed with BT may not always be because there is no inherit copyright-protection technology or usage tracking technology built into BT. Since all of this legality stuff also depends on your country and its laws, the onus is upon the BT user to check and verify what exactly you’re distributing, and to be aware of the laws in your area. The actual users of BT can be held accountable for violations if laws apply in your area.

http://boards.slackercentral.com/showthrea...?t=35745&page=3 (http://boards.slackercentral.com/showthread.php?t=35745&page=3)

[LEGAL-1] Q: Are bit torrents legal?
&nbsp; Bit Torrents themselves are entirely legal. However, the use of the Bit Torrent Network to distribute copyrighted material without the express consent of the owner is illegal. Therefore, ripping a DVD and distributing it as a bit torrent is illegal. Recording a TV show and distributing it is probably illegal as well. Distributing a company&#39;s software without their consent is illegal.
http://www.monduna.com/bt/faq.html#LEGAL_1

What&#39;s in a torrent file?
BitTorrent dumper
I was experimenting with BitTorrent, so I wrote a little file dumper to see what was in the mysterious [torrent files are not allowed] files. The code doesn&#39;t just parse the protocol; it&#39;ll dump whatever the decoder can find. Sample output:

info&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; length&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 41470132
&nbsp; piece length&nbsp; &nbsp; 262144
&nbsp; name&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Halo2_E3.wmv
&nbsp; pieces&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [159 SHA-1 values]
announce&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; http://news.gametab.com:6969/announce

http://www.nelson.monkey.org/~nelson/weblog/tech/bittorrent


[LEGAL-5] Q: What files/sites are being targeted?
Sites that host trackers are the primary targets for legal action. If a tracker host is taken down, then all torrents that use that site to connect to other users will no longer be able to function.

See my above post.&nbsp; Tracker software is not illegal.&nbsp; However, apparently it&#39;s like painting a big red "x" on you ass.
http://www.monduna.com/bt/faq.html#LEGAL_1

[LEGAL-3] Q: Why are so many torrent sites being shut down?
Torrent sites are being shut down because they violate copyright law. The people that own the copyrights to a particular work contact the owners of the site, or the company that hosts the site and threaten to take legal action against the site. Sometimes the site&#39;s host will disable the site, and sometimes the site&#39;s webmaster will take the site down themselves to avoid legal trouble.
See my above post involving Wanrner Bros. and Phoenix-torrents.&nbsp; You cannot scare at the drop of a dime when running a torrent site.&nbsp; You must have total faith that Torrent Files are legal, and It is only torrent files being hosted on you site.&nbsp; NOT COPYWRITED MATERIAL&#33;&nbsp; I would also strongly subjest that the warning, "None of the files shown here are actually hosted on this server. The links are provided solely by this site&#39;s users. The administrator of this site&nbsp; cannot be held responsible for what its users post, or any other actions of its users. You may not use this site to distribute or download any material when you do not have the legal rights to do so. It is your own responsibility to adhere to these terms." be posted anywhere torrent files may appear on your site.


HOSTING TORRENT FILES IS NOT ILLEGAL
It is important to understand what a torrent file it, a text file.
The powers that be do tend to target torrent sites.&nbsp; Although the torrents are not illegal, what people may choose to do with them maybe.&nbsp; As with the Supreme Courts decision regaruding Kazaa....&nbsp; "the software is totally legal.&nbsp; However, individual users can be held responcible for thier illegal use of."&nbsp; It is up to each user as to wither or not they are willing to take this risk.

For other questions regaurding setting up a torrent site, I would be happy to contact an Admin. of such a site with on your behalf.

Broken
If the files r hosted on the same server where the file r being shared with Bt then it will be ilegal but if the files r mirrored or being shared thro users(Seeding) it will legal.
correct me....

[DanB]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user+26 July 2004 - 18:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bawa@Klite_user @ 26 July 2004 - 18:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Broken@26 July 2004 - 04:43
Q5. Is BT legal?
The technology itself is legal. Torrent files, the files posted on BT websites like File Soup, are also legal as they are only text files. The files distributed with BT may not always be because there is no inherit copyright-protection technology or usage tracking technology built into BT. Since all of this legality stuff also depends on your country and its laws, the onus is upon the BT user to check and verify what exactly you’re distributing, and to be aware of the laws in your area. The actual users of BT can be held accountable for violations if laws apply in your area.

http://boards.slackercentral.com/showthrea...?t=35745&page=3 (http://boards.slackercentral.com/showthread.php?t=35745&page=3)

[LEGAL-1] Q: Are bit torrents legal?
&nbsp; Bit Torrents themselves are entirely legal. However, the use of the Bit Torrent Network to distribute copyrighted material without the express consent of the owner is illegal. Therefore, ripping a DVD and distributing it as a bit torrent is illegal. Recording a TV show and distributing it is probably illegal as well. Distributing a company&#39;s software without their consent is illegal.
http://www.monduna.com/bt/faq.html#LEGAL_1

What&#39;s in a torrent file?
BitTorrent dumper
I was experimenting with BitTorrent, so I wrote a little file dumper to see what was in the mysterious [torrent files are not allowed] files. The code doesn&#39;t just parse the protocol; it&#39;ll dump whatever the decoder can find. Sample output:

info&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; length&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 41470132
&nbsp; piece length&nbsp; &nbsp; 262144
&nbsp; name&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Halo2_E3.wmv
&nbsp; pieces&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [159 SHA-1 values]
announce&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; http://news.gametab.com:6969/announce

http://www.nelson.monkey.org/~nelson/weblog/tech/bittorrent


[LEGAL-5] Q: What files/sites are being targeted?
Sites that host trackers are the primary targets for legal action. If a tracker host is taken down, then all torrents that use that site to connect to other users will no longer be able to function.

See my above post.&nbsp; Tracker software is not illegal.&nbsp; However, apparently it&#39;s like painting a big red "x" on you ass.
http://www.monduna.com/bt/faq.html#LEGAL_1

[LEGAL-3] Q: Why are so many torrent sites being shut down?
Torrent sites are being shut down because they violate copyright law. The people that own the copyrights to a particular work contact the owners of the site, or the company that hosts the site and threaten to take legal action against the site. Sometimes the site&#39;s host will disable the site, and sometimes the site&#39;s webmaster will take the site down themselves to avoid legal trouble.
See my above post involving Wanrner Bros. and Phoenix-torrents.&nbsp; You cannot scare at the drop of a dime when running a torrent site.&nbsp; You must have total faith that Torrent Files are legal, and It is only torrent files being hosted on you site.&nbsp; NOT COPYWRITED MATERIAL&#33;&nbsp; I would also strongly subjest that the warning, "None of the files shown here are actually hosted on this server. The links are provided solely by this site&#39;s users. The administrator of this site&nbsp; cannot be held responsible for what its users post, or any other actions of its users. You may not use this site to distribute or download any material when you do not have the legal rights to do so. It is your own responsibility to adhere to these terms." be posted anywhere torrent files may appear on your site.


HOSTING TORRENT FILES IS NOT ILLEGAL
It is important to understand what a torrent file it, a text file.
The powers that be do tend to target torrent sites.&nbsp; Although the torrents are not illegal, what people may choose to do with them maybe.&nbsp; As with the Supreme Courts decision regaruding Kazaa....&nbsp; "the software is totally legal.&nbsp; However, individual users can be held responcible for thier illegal use of."&nbsp; It is up to each user as to wither or not they are willing to take this risk.

For other questions regaurding setting up a torrent site, I would be happy to contact an Admin. of such a site with on your behalf.

Broken
If the files r hosted on the same server as the file r being shared with Bt then it will be ilegal but if the files r mirror or being shared with the users(like kazaa, etc) it will legal.
correct me.... [/b][/quote]
Thats why the actual files aren&#39;t hosted on the server :rolleyes:

[BawA]

Thats why the actual files aren&#39;t hosted on the server rolleyes.gif



Thats what i was said :huh:

[beeman]

Originally posted by rookiecrd1@25 July 2004 - 23:47
Hmm, any other information on this topic and past court cases, etc?

My server admin is a friend of mine.&nbsp; He is the largest reseller of burst servers.&nbsp; He doesn&#39;t care what I do, its just that i don&#39;t want Burst shutting me down.

Brian
unfortunatly NOT. but this is because there has NEVER EVER EVER been a court case involved in ANYTHING TODO with bittorrent. the main guys would NEVER file a suite with the laws as they are at the moment because IF they loose (just like when they lost to kazaa) it would set a presedent allowing anyone who want to set up a tracker and share there files risk free.

all they are doing (and will do in the near future) is send out take down notices. as long as you comply (ie remove the file in question) then theres no risk at all.

as i said in another thread here i run a tracker with 20&#39;000 peers. we have reeived one take down notice in our time. we removed the file in question and never heard anything more.

[RealitY]

Originally posted by beeman+26 July 2004 - 10:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (beeman &#064; 26 July 2004 - 10:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-rookiecrd1@25 July 2004 - 23:47
Hmm, any other information on this topic and past court cases, etc?
unfortunatly NOT. but this is because there has NEVER EVER EVER been a court case involved in ANYTHING TODO with bittorrent. the main guys would NEVER file a suite with the laws as they are at the moment because IF they loose (just like when they lost to kazaa) it would set a presedent allowing anyone who want to set up a tracker and share there files risk free.

all they are doing (and will do in the near future) is send out take down notices. as long as you comply (ie remove the file in question) then theres no risk at all. [/b][/quote]
Exactly, so if your ready for a little heat and have the time to deal with it then go for it.
After all this may be the quikest way to get what you want, more traffic to this site...

[sparsely]

I think

Bittorent Torrent Section, To post torrent links

would be teh perfect title for it too, it would rival the forum title for length and rediculousness.

:D

[Jay]

go for it.

[Broken]

The thing with Bit Torrent is that you are hosting no files.
You are only hosting a type of zipped text file, that&#39;s it. And that is legal.
"The powers that be", don&#39;t like it. They will try to shoot you down for it, but they have no ammunition to do it with.

You have to realize what a torrent file is, and be willing to tell anyone that questions you to go to hell there ain&#39;t nothing illegal about what I&#39;m doing. There are no file hosted here. :P

Although, it is a common thing in the Bit Torrent world that if the copywirte holder should request the removal of a torrent, it will be be removed. In most cases this will solve most problems.

The true legal risk is not to a site, but the users. Because although the torrent fille maybe legal, downloading and uploading content by use of that file that the user has no right to is illegal. But, that is the risk users take everytime they download a song off Kazaa, or use Bit Torrent and any other p2p application.

[Broken]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@26 July 2004 - 17:30

If the files r hosted on the same server where the file r being shared with Bt then it will be ilegal but if the files r mirrored or being shared thro users(Seeding) it will legal.
correct me....
If this site was to put up a copy of say... DOOM 3. It would be absolutly 100% illegal, and I&#39;m sure the game manufature would not waste a second sueing the owner of this forum for every red cent that they can get.

However if a torrent was posted for DOOM 3, all that would be hosted on this site is a text file that would contain something like....
File Name: Doom 3
File Size : 1.63GB
Tracker IP : 222.333.2222.XXXX

None of that information is illegal. So, the torrent file is not illegal because it contains no part of the file.

However, if someone should download this torrent and put it into a Bit Torrent client and starts to recive the game data, and they do not have legal rights to it (i.e. they do not own a copy of the game), they are doing something illegal. Although it is not very likely they will be caught, it would be a possiblilty. And this would be a intellectual copywrite crime.

Which is why a disclaimer&#092;warning should be posted

None of the files shown here are actually hosted on this server. This server only host Torrent Files.

The Torrents are provided solely by this site&#39;s users. The administrator of this site does not varify a users right to obtain or distipute files from the torrents which are hosted on this site. All post are made in Good Faith, and must comply with the rules of this site. It is the responsiblity of the users of this site to follow all laws which maybe applicable in the City, State, County, or Country in which they reside. The administrator of this site cannot be held responsible for what its users post, or any other actions of its users. You may not use this site to distribute or download any material when you do not have the legal rights to do so, if you have any questions to your legal right to a file do not post a torrent to it on this site. It is your own responsibility to adhere to these terms. Vilotation of these terms may have serious legal reprocutions.
Upon request to the administrator or other offical repersentative of this site any Torrent(s) which violate any of the terms set forth in the above statement will be removed for this site. Proof of ownership to the file that can be obtained through the use of a torrent file maybe requested from the petitioner and the poster before removal can take place. If either the petitioner or the poster should fail to provide proof of ownership, the disposition of the torrent file will be decided by the administrator until such time proof is provided.

[BawA]

Hey rookie just to be sure at 1st release this service under Beta and testing purpose and dont link it to this board and cheak if u get any problem with ligale issues after a while if u didnt get any kinda of problem merge it with this board, alltho i know u wont get any problem if we&#39;ll only post torrent links.

[rookiecrd1]

What about a separate forum as an offshoot of FSt mabe called TST (torrent sharing talk). It can be a sister site that will have the same colors, logos etc. I think this would kill 2 birds with one stone. It will bring more traffic to FSt while also allowing us to stay safe here at FST as I would put it on a new server and hope for some donations.

Any opinions?

Brian

[tracydani]

How will it bring more traffic here? What connects it to this forum(other then the fact we would all know about it)?

Wouldn&#39;t that just mean another forum to join?

TD

[DanB]

Originally posted by tracydani@27 July 2004 - 14:19
How will it bring more traffic here? What connects it to this forum(other then the fact we would all know about it)?

Wouldn&#39;t that just mean another forum to join?

TD
I must agree with TD here :P


I dont think creating a seperate forum would be a good idea to be honest, if anything it maight even detract people from here

[Spicker]

@Brian

http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=119238&st=60
scroll down and see wt beeman said.


running a tracker is pretty simple. if this forum is being run of a dedicated server its even better as you can use a c++ tracker.

jaigandhi5 contacted me and asked me a have a look in here. i run my own tracker with 20&#39;000 peers currently connected to it with vertually ZERO server load.

as for bandwith. trackers have come A LONG way scince you ran yours jaigandhi5 (btw the first ever tracker listed on thebeehive smile.gif ). there is a NEW protocal out for bittorrent that saves trackers 1200% bandwith (compact announce protocal).

my recommendation if you want to run a tracker FOR THIS forum is to get XBT and use there ipb hack. this will intergrate the tracker with the forums. meaning you would need to be a registered member of the forums to use the tracker (selectable i beleave). and to upload a torrent to the tracker you would just have to post it as an atachment in the apprapreate thread in your forums biggrin.gif

so we should have our own tracker as well ;)

and dont make a new forum :blink: we wont get any new members and people will leave here and go to the other forum :01:

[rookiecrd1]

If I did make a new forum I would place a gigantic banner for FST at the top and it would only be for torrent discussion. Everything else would belong at FST, which would be said.

I have heard so many different things. I don&#39;t want to jeopardize FST&#39;s future by allowing torrents here unless i am certain it won&#39;t hurt FST.

Brian

[MicroScreen2]

sorry for my outburst before. at least you&#39;re honest :D

you could have a seperate tracker up in the bar with "help" and "search" and them,
then it would seem like part of this site. a bit like demonod &#39;cept the forum is the main bit. then the seperate page could use similar scripts to what most tracker sites use currently, so we could upload our own torrents and stuff :D

[ilw]

I can&#39;t imagine having torrents is any worse than having verified kazaa and emule links (they are after all the same thing). But running the tracker on the same server might make the situation a little worse, if you host the tracker elsewhere i say go for it.

If you really want to increase safety you could request people to only upload rarer files eg ebooks, older/non-mainstream music/ films; and perhaps in addition discourage warez altogether?

[MicroScreen2]

how about 1337 filenames. they worked 10 years ago

M4TR0X.R3L0D3D.OMG.t0rrent

or no incriminating filename at all. someone posts a request for the matrix:reloaded.

then someone sends a pm linking to 13658.t0rrent

that way we could share among trusted people and the only way the man could find ot whats illegal would be to dl everything. but this could be very slow, due to the nature of BT.


one last idea. admin could act like incompetent morons. and turn i blind eye ;) . and not realise ;) ;) about illegal torrents till the cease an desist order comes. :01: i couldn&#39;t imagine they could shut us down without prior warning, but i wouldnt know how that would work :unsure:

[MicroScreen2]

or the ultimate in guerilla leetness :D


PZJNR-YSWWR-TPXFT-VYOWD-FCQYN-KHSTT-GACVY-RMYKY-FVUXF-UJ


http://www.desertratsgame.com/enigma.php?c=11116 :D :D :D


edit: should work now

[Canti]

Im all for it, although I did look up some legal issues on Google and this is what I came up with.

In summary it looks as though if you host a tracker you&#39;re a target, but if you link to one you&#39;re probably ok unless you are also hosting it. So you either try to run one separately from the site, preferably with a different host and completely remove FST from any affiliation with it, so if it gets hit, you can cut it loose and try again later without putting FST at any undue risk.

So basically what you end up with is a link to a file&#39;s download page on the actual tracker.

Monduna.com (http://www.monduna.com/bt/faq.html#LEGAL_3)


[LEGAL-5] Q: What files/sites are being targeted?

&nbsp; &nbsp; Sites that host trackers are the primary targets for legal action. If a tracker host is taken down, then all torrents that use that site to connect to other users will no longer be able to function.



Big Soccer (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-117611.html)

pc4th
Thinking out loud - are there copyright issues involved for BigSoccer if the site appears to openly encourage the downloading of matches that somebody paid millions for the right to broadcast? A few fans writing about illegal Korean feeds or bit torrents is one thing, but setting up a clearinghouse for such stuff might make the site a target.

as long as BigSoccer is not hosting the link, there is no copyright issues. Sites like Suprnova might be illegal but I don&#39;t know. They haven&#39;t been shut down yet so I guess it&#39;s legal.

All bigsoccer is doing is providing a message board for people to talk. It&#39;s like a blog. Last time I check, it&#39;s not illegal to provide links to other websites. That&#39;s all the bittorrent links are for. PROVIDING LINKS TO ANOTHER WEBSITE.

[Broken]

I&#39;d have to say, at the very best (or perhapes negative) a torrent file might be considered on the same level as posting a cold link to a site that may contain illegal files. And that would depend upon the users right to the files/work/program/pics. As long as a user owns the right to (i.e. owning a copy of) whatever they are uploading or downloading it would fall into the "Gray" legal catagory of Fair Use. Which has differnt legal definitions depending upon how the law is read... hence, it is gray. Not really legal, and not really illegal.


The Administrator must also relize, that if it is his intention to create a cash flow from this new site through the use of ads, it will not happen. The people that come to torrent sites have no intention of buying anything. If anything, the ads may generate a demand for whatever is being advertised. And in that situation, it will only be a matter of time before whatever it was has a torrent posted for it. An example of this comes form another torrent site that has given up on ads, in favor of becoming totally user supported. They had 100k views, 10 clicks, and zero purchases for thier sponcer. Within 3 days of the ad being posted on the site, a torrent for the software appeared.

User support of these sites can be very fierce. I believe it was in Feb. that one of the larger torrent sites, Empornium.us, was going to shut down due to lack of funding. A post was made by the administator of the site&#39;s situation, and it&#39;s probably shut down. Within the matter of a week members donated some &#036;5,000 to secure hosting for an indefinate amount of time, and the purchase of a new server. From what I understand, donations to this site are still pouring in. In fact, the typical banner that many torrents sites have that track the amount of money donated by it&#39;s users have been removed because money is no longer a issue in the operation of the site. Also, on top of donations, they implemented a fine system for anyone that fails to keep a 1 for 1 share ratio. This bring a steady stream of income in for the site.

A seprate site really does not, even if it is successful, guarantee any new traffic to this one.

[beeman]

well about the funding part suprnova for example is funded SOLEY through advertising. there has not been one donation drive for suprnova scince febuary (and it looks like things will stay that way). and suprnova needs A LOT of money so advertising can bring lots of money to torrent sites if its well done.

for example suprnova currently controles 9 servers i beleave. 2 for its forums. 3 for its irc server 1 for its search engine. 1 for its main site redirector and torrent hosting and 2 for its mirrors. (along with a few donated mirrors). ALL paid for via advertising

[rookiecrd1]

I wouldn&#39;t have the smallest clue on how to set up a tracker.

Also, is it possible to have torrents posted here without a tracker, or is a tracker needed.

Sorry but I am a bit ignorant when it comes to these things.

Brian

[MicroScreen2]

i think a tracker is what everyone&#39;s BT client connects to, to ask for directions so to speak. you could have a tracker that has no links with this forum and post torrents on here cos they work like hyper links

[Spicker]

Originally posted by rookiecrd1@27 July 2004 - 22:01
I wouldn&#39;t have the smallest clue on how to set up a tracker.

Also, is it possible to have torrents posted here without a tracker, or is a tracker needed.

Sorry but I am a bit ignorant when it comes to these things.

Brian
make a tracker too because its on a dedicated server we can help u on how to set it up ;)

[Spicker]

@brian

check this site out..

http://www.myspleen.com/index.php

we should make one like this ;)

u can monitor the share ratios, ban ppl who have low share ratios, lists people who share the most/less and much more ;)

[TheRealDave]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5@27 July 2004 - 22:51
@brian

check this site out..

http://www.myspleen.com/index.php

we should make one like this ;)

u can monitor the share ratios, ban ppl who have low share ratios, lists people who share the most/less and much more ;)
without people with low ratios there wouldnt be people with high ratios :blink:

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by TheRealDave+27 July 2004 - 22:55--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheRealDave @ 27 July 2004 - 22:55)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@27 July 2004 - 22:51
@brian

check this site out..

http://www.myspleen.com/index.php

we should make one like this&nbsp; ;)

u can monitor the share ratios, ban ppl who have low share ratios, lists people who share the most/less and much more ;)
without people with low ratios there wouldnt be people with high ratios :blink: [/b][/quote]
make everyone one have a 1:1 ratio :01:

[4play]

making people register ip adresses with the tracker is pretty neat since you can stop leechers and make poeple register on the board which is what your after.

I get fantastic speeds from most of the sites which do this.

[DanB]

Originally posted by 4play@28 July 2004 - 00:01
making people register ip adresses with the tracker is pretty neat since you can stop leechers and make poeple register on the board which is what your after.

I get fantastic speeds from most of the sites which do this.
Yeah I go with that :D

[Candy King]

Wouldn&#39;t that be logging there ip and if we did get busted or something they would ahve all our ip&#39;s file names everything...

[Spicker]

Originally posted by Candy King@28 July 2004 - 00:13
Wouldn&#39;t that be logging there ip and if we did get busted or something they would ahve all our ip&#39;s file names everything...
the ip is hidden...

they only show the username u signed up with :01: :smilie4:

[ilw]

Storing ips should be no problem you can just store the md5 encrypted ip address, like the way passwords are, (they usually shouldn&#39;t be stored as text and so aren&#39;t recoverable).

[Spicker]

im trying to find the software they used...

i got the name from an irc channel and its called "torrentbits"

:01:

[TheRealDave]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5@27 July 2004 - 23:31
im trying to find the software they used...

i got the name from an irc channel and its called "torrentbits"

:01:
thats a website lol... u can use the template/sofrware they use.. www[torrent files are not allowed]bits.org

edit, i did abit of hunting and found this


Where can I get a copy of the source code?

The source code is no longer being distributed.

[Spicker]

Originally posted by TheRealDave+28 July 2004 - 00:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheRealDave @ 28 July 2004 - 00:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@27 July 2004 - 23:31
im trying to find the software they used...

i got the name from an irc channel and its called "torrentbits"

:01:
thats a website lol... u can use the template/sofrware they use.. www[torrent files are not allowed]bits.org

edit, i did abit of hunting and found this


Where can I get a copy of the source code?

The source code is no longer being distributed. [/b][/quote]
yes but i found the version they released in may 2004 ;)

also found this tracker.. http://powrhost.com/xbits/index.php

is that one better?

we should have a poll for the best tracker to use :rolleyes: i like torrentbits and xbits because they both are like portals and not like bnbt who just list torrent files and is really plain...

anywayz... check out the list of php based trackers... http://www.filesoup.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6780 ;)

[beeman]

xbits is a mod of the latest released version of the torrentbits source code. (note snapshots of torrentbits were last released about 2 or 3 months ago). xbits was origionally designed as a fround end to the xbtt tracker.

if you plan to run a php tracker like torrentbits, xbits etc MAKESURE you have a powerfull server. php trackers are well known for using HIGH cpu.

[tesco]

Originally posted by TheRealDave+27 July 2004 - 18:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheRealDave @ 27 July 2004 - 18:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@27 July 2004 - 23:31
im trying to find the software they used...

i got the name from an irc channel and its called "torrentbits"

:01:
thats a website lol... u can use the template/sofrware they use.. www[torrent files are not allowed]bits.org

edit, i did abit of hunting and found this


Where can I get a copy of the source code?

The source code is no longer being distributed. [/b][/quote]
:rolleyes: we&#39;re talking about how to host torrent files but we still can&#39;t post torrent websites? :lol:

[beeman]

Originally posted by jaigandhi5+28 July 2004 - 00:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jaigandhi5 @ 28 July 2004 - 00:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by TheRealDave@28 July 2004 - 00:44
<!--QuoteBegin-jaigandhi5@27 July 2004 - 23:31
im trying to find the software they used...

i got the name from an irc channel and its called "torrentbits"

:01:
thats a website lol... u can use the template/sofrware they use.. www[torrent files are not allowed]bits.org

edit, i did abit of hunting and found this


Where can I get a copy of the source code?

The source code is no longer being distributed.
yes but i found the version they released in may 2004 ;)

also found this tracker.. http://powrhost.com/xbits/index.php

is that one better?

we should have a poll for the best tracker to use :rolleyes: i like torrentbits and xbits because they both are like portals and not like bnbt who just list torrent files and is really plain...

anywayz... check out the list of php based trackers... http://www.filesoup.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6780 ;) [/b][/quote]
oh yer and a much cleaner list of ALL avlaible tracker softwere can be found at http://thebeehive.me.uk/trackers

includes php c++ and python softwere. (however that site is still a work in progress ;) )

[Candy King]

Originally posted by beeman@28 July 2004 - 00:43
xbits is a mod of the latest released version of the torrentbits source code. (note snapshots of torrentbits were last released about 2 or 3 months ago). xbits was origionally designed as a fround end to the xbtt tracker.

if you plan to run a php tracker like torrentbits, xbits etc MAKESURE you have a powerfull server. php trackers are well known for using HIGH cpu.
Brian doesnt want the forum crshing becuase someone is sharing there fav episode of simpsons though...

[beeman]

Originally posted by Candy King+28 July 2004 - 02:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Candy King &#064; 28 July 2004 - 02:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-beeman@28 July 2004 - 00:43
xbits is a mod of the latest released version of the torrentbits source code. (note snapshots of torrentbits were last released about 2 or 3 months ago). xbits was origionally designed as a fround end to the xbtt tracker.

if you plan to run a php tracker like torrentbits, xbits etc MAKESURE you have a powerfull server. php trackers are well known for using HIGH cpu.
Brian doesnt want the forum crshing becuase someone is sharing there fav episode of simpsons though... [/b][/quote]
thats y i earlier suggested a c++ tracker like xbtt or BNBT. they many many thousand times more efficinet (cpu wise) than the php ones. however xbits was designed as a frount end for xbtt so you can use xbit with xbtt while still getting the benifites of low cpu usage that a c++ tracker brings.

btw i know what im talking about. i currently have a bnbt tracker with 20&#39;000 peers on a dedicated server using less than 1% cpu ;) but when i tried out various php versions with half the number of peers the cpu usage shot upto 50-60%

[Candy King]

Originally posted by beeman+28 July 2004 - 02:29--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (beeman @ 28 July 2004 - 02:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Candy King@28 July 2004 - 02:06
<!--QuoteBegin-beeman@28 July 2004 - 00:43
xbits is a mod of the latest released version of the torrentbits source code. (note snapshots of torrentbits were last released about 2 or 3 months ago). xbits was origionally designed as a fround end to the xbtt tracker.

if you plan to run a php tracker like torrentbits, xbits etc MAKESURE you have a powerfull server. php trackers are well known for using HIGH cpu.
Brian doesnt want the forum crshing becuase someone is sharing there fav episode of simpsons though...
thats y i earlier suggested a c++ tracker like xbtt or BNBT. they many many thousand times more efficinet (cpu wise) than the php ones. however xbits was designed as a frount end for xbtt so you can use xbit with xbtt while still getting the benifites of low cpu usage that a c++ tracker brings.

btw i know what im talking about. i currently have a bnbt tracker with 20&#39;000 peers on a dedicated server using less than 1% cpu ;) but when i tried out various php versions with half the number of peers the cpu usage shot upto 50-60% [/b][/quote]
Whats the uber ghey catch?

[rf9rider]

Im totally in favour of this as BT is all i use nowadays.

[beeman]

well the ONLY catch to running a c++ tracker Candy King is that you will need some kind of shell access to the server to run it. other than that theres no catch.

[4play]

if its rookies mate im sure getting a shell will come as part of the hosting.

you can also compile php now which may also reduce server load.

[Spicker]

there is lots of cpu usage because of the mysql and generating the scripts and all that... <_<

[rookiecrd1]

Liek I said before, I am totally ignorant to how this stuff works. If I were to set up a tracker I would need major help.

Brian

[Candy King]

Maybe a group of people who could be in charge of it, as it would need extra moderating and spam wouldnt be alowed.

[DanB]

Originally posted by rookiecrd1@28 July 2004 - 13:54
Liek I said before, I am totally ignorant to how this stuff works. If I were to set up a tracker I would need major help.

Brian
Withcheese set up a tracker on his pc in 10 minutes the other night

[Spicker]

yea we could help u ;)

[beeman]

Originally posted by danb+28 July 2004 - 14:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (danb @ 28 July 2004 - 14:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-rookiecrd1@28 July 2004 - 13:54
Liek I said before, I am totally ignorant to how this stuff works.&nbsp; If I were to set up a tracker I would need major help.

Brian
Withcheese set up a tracker on his pc in 10 minutes the other night [/b][/quote]
setting up bnbt easytracker on windows is a little different to setting up bnbt or xbtt on a link box BUT if easytracker can be setup in 10 minuites its linux version should take about 11minuites :D

[RealitY]

Maybe for now we could allow torrent links and be able to upload torrents through the panel in a subsection of bittorent like the verifieds section.

Test[torrent files are not allowed]
:huh: :huh:

[Cheese]

Originally posted by beeman+28 July 2004 - 17:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (beeman @ 28 July 2004 - 17:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by danb@28 July 2004 - 14:06
<!--QuoteBegin-rookiecrd1@28 July 2004 - 13:54
Liek I said before, I am totally ignorant to how this stuff works. If I were to set up a tracker I would need major help.

Brian
Withcheese set up a tracker on his pc in 10 minutes the other night
setting up bnbt easytracker on windows is a little different to setting up bnbt or xbtt on a link box BUT if easytracker can be setup in 10 minuites its linux version should take about 11minuites :D [/b][/quote]
10 minutes is a slight exaggeration but from googling for a tracker prog to successfully setting up a tracker took about half hour, and I&#39;m not computer literate.

So as a sidenote to anyone who is interested in setting their own tracker up they should check out BNBT easytracker. :01:

[ilw]

adding on to reality&#39;s post, maybe also allow torrents in the anime world subsection, cos bittorrent is probably now the number one source of downloads for anime so posting torrents would be handy.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by ilw@28 July 2004 - 19:45
adding on to reality&#39;s post, maybe also allow torrents in the anime world subsection, cos bittorrent is probably now the number one source of downloads for anime so posting torrents would be handy.
Good idea. Might improve it from it&#39;s one post a day status it has at the moment.

[MicroScreen2]

just having legit torrnts would be nice. i know theres plenty of ameteur film, game, music makers on this forum that cant get there stuff out there because the cant afford to get a reliable ftp server

[Spicker]

looks like brian is just too busy :( :01:

[RealitY]

Test[torrent files are not allowed]

ZZzzZZzz...
:huh: :huh:

[abu_has_the_power]

if u post torrents, which tracker are we using? r we using other ppls trackers? like, suprnova&#39;s. or are we doing it like digital update forums using our own tracker?

[rookiecrd1]

Hi all, I havn&#39;t given up on the idea. I am working out a partnership with another guy that will be able to do all kinds of great stuff. A torrent area is still being considered, but I want everything to be safe for the future of FST.

Brian

[kAb]

Originally posted by rookiecrd1@31 July 2004 - 19:48
Hi all, I havn&#39;t given up on the idea.&nbsp; I am working out a partnership with another guy that will be able to do all kinds of great stuff.&nbsp; A torrent area is still being considered, but I want everything to be safe for the future of FST.

Brian
:unsure: uh last time a guy tried to do &#39;great stuff&#39; the forum got fucked up the ass... plz do be careful :unsure:

edit: i&#39;m talkin about 7th

[BawA]

Originally posted by kAb+1 August 2004 - 09:33--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kAb @ 1 August 2004 - 09:33)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-rookiecrd1@31 July 2004 - 19:48
Hi all, I havn&#39;t given up on the idea. I am working out a partnership with another guy that will be able to do all kinds of great stuff. A torrent area is still being considered, but I want everything to be safe for the future of FST.

Brian
:unsure: uh last time a guy tried to do &#39;great stuff&#39; the forum got fucked up the ass... plz do be careful :unsure:

edit: i&#39;m talkin about 7th [/b][/quote]
can u name some <_<

[SuperJude™]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 06:46
can u name some <_<
Huh?

-SJ™

[BawA]

Originally posted by SuperJude™+1 August 2004 - 10:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SuperJude™ @ 1 August 2004 - 10:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 06:46
can u name some <_<
Huh?

-SJ™ [/b][/quote]
"Huh" what...
he said 7th screwed the board last time, can he name few of them

[SuperJude™]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user+1 August 2004 - 08:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bawa@Klite_user @ 1 August 2004 - 08:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by SuperJude™@1 August 2004 - 10:44
<!--QuoteBegin-bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 06:46
can u name some <_<
Huh?

-SJ™
"Huh" what...
he said 7th screwed the board last time, can he name few of them [/b][/quote]
oic

-SJ™

[Cheese]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user+1 August 2004 - 08:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bawa@Klite_user @ 1 August 2004 - 08:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by SuperJude™@1 August 2004 - 10:44
<!--QuoteBegin-bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 06:46
can u name some <_<
Huh?

-SJ™
"Huh" what...
he said 7th screwed the board last time, can he name few of them [/b][/quote]
- Anti-spam (which is still here ffs)

- The smilie generator that Haxor used to hack the team chat logs.

- Screwing up the borders/layout of the board.

- Talk Club.

That enough for you bawa? :unsure:

[BawA]

- Anti-spam (which is still here ffs)
Anit spam IS good addOn and i hardly get the error Thingy

- The smilie generator that Haxor used to hack the team chat logs.
:blink: never knew haxor used smilie Gen to hack into team chat, any post about it?

- Screwing up the borders/layout of the board.
it was better with side layers

- Talk Club.
what about it :unsure:

[Cheese]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:07
Anit spam IS good addOn and i hardly get the error Thingy

Stop being so selfish. What about the people who are affected by it a lot? And it doesn&#39;t affect "spammers" or such just normal posters.

I get hit on average 5 times a day and I know people who get hit worse. No other fourm has this.

Damn, if ever I needed confirmation on your moron status that post was it. Well done. I think SnnY was right about the drugs...

[Peerzy]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 10:07

- Anti-spam (which is still here ffs)
Anit spam IS good addOn and i hardly get the error Thingy

- The smilie generator that Haxor used to hack the team chat logs.
:blink: never knew haxor used smilie Gen to hack into team chat, any post about it?

- Screwing up the borders/layout of the board.
it was better with side layers

- Talk Club.
what about it :unsure:
Sorry can you sum up whats happened please :unsure: ?

[BawA]

Originally posted by Withcheese+1 August 2004 - 14:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese &#064; 1 August 2004 - 14:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:07
Anit spam IS good addOn and i hardly get the error Thingy

Stop being so selfish. What about the people who are affected by it a lot? And it doesn&#39;t affect "spammers" or such just normal posters.

I get hit on average 5 times a day and I know people who get hit worse. No other fourm has this.

Damn, if ever I needed confirmation on your moron status that post was it. Well done. I think SnnY was right about the drugs... [/b][/quote]

Damn we&#39;re hijiking Admins threat :lol:
Ok perhaps i agree with u, i should think about others too but am not drug adicted :angry:
Btw ur avatar&#39;s background doesnt show transparent in IE cuz IE doesnt supports PNG transparency

[Peerzy]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user+1 August 2004 - 10:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bawa@Klite_user @ 1 August 2004 - 10:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Withcheese@1 August 2004 - 14:12
<!--QuoteBegin-bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:07
Anit spam IS good addOn and i hardly get the error Thingy

Stop being so selfish. What about the people who are affected by it a lot? And it doesn&#39;t affect "spammers" or such just normal posters.

I get hit on average 5 times a day and I know people who get hit worse. No other fourm has this.

Damn, if ever I needed confirmation on your moron status that post was it. Well done. I think SnnY was right about the drugs...
Ok perhaps i agree with u, i should think about others too but am not drug adicted :lol:
Btw ur avatar&#39;s background doesnt show transparent in IE cuz IE doesnt supports PNG transparency [/b][/quote]
Why the fuck are you using IE, i made it transparrent and didnt know about IE transparnce but still.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user+1 August 2004 - 11:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bawa@Klite_user @ 1 August 2004 - 11:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Withcheese@1 August 2004 - 14:12
<!--QuoteBegin-bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:07
Anit spam IS good addOn and i hardly get the error Thingy

Stop being so selfish. What about the people who are affected by it a lot? And it doesn&#39;t affect "spammers" or such just normal posters.

I get hit on average 5 times a day and I know people who get hit worse. No other fourm has this.

Damn, if ever I needed confirmation on your moron status that post was it. Well done. I think SnnY was right about the drugs...
Ok perhaps i agree with u, i should think about others too but am not drug adicted :lol:
Btw ur avatar&#39;s background doesnt show transparent in IE cuz IE doesnt supports PNG transparency [/b][/quote]
It doesn&#39;t show transparent on mine either but as it was a gift from Peerzy I didn&#39;t like to say... ;)

[BawA]

convert it to Gif using PhotoShop, thats the only thing i do with PhotoShop :lol:

[Peerzy]

Originally posted by Withcheese+1 August 2004 - 10:17--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 1 August 2004 - 10:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:15

Originally posted by Withcheese@1 August 2004 - 14:12
<!--QuoteBegin-bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:07
Anit spam IS good addOn and i hardly get the error Thingy

Stop being so selfish. What about the people who are affected by it a lot? And it doesn&#39;t affect "spammers" or such just normal posters.

I get hit on average 5 times a day and I know people who get hit worse. No other fourm has this.

Damn, if ever I needed confirmation on your moron status that post was it. Well done. I think SnnY was right about the drugs...
Ok perhaps i agree with u, i should think about others too but am not drug adicted :lol:
Btw ur avatar&#39;s background doesnt show transparent in IE cuz IE doesnt supports PNG transparency
It doesn&#39;t show transparent on mine either but as it was a gift from Peerzy I didn&#39;t like to say... ;) [/b][/quote]
:( Ity does in FireFox :unsure: .

[BawA]

Originally posted by peerzyboy+1 August 2004 - 14:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peerzyboy @ 1 August 2004 - 14:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Withcheese@1 August 2004 - 10:17

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:15

Originally posted by Withcheese@1 August 2004 - 14:12
<!--QuoteBegin-bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:07
Anit spam IS good addOn and i hardly get the error Thingy

Stop being so selfish. What about the people who are affected by it a lot? And it doesn&#39;t affect "spammers" or such just normal posters.

I get hit on average 5 times a day and I know people who get hit worse. No other fourm has this.

Damn, if ever I needed confirmation on your moron status that post was it. Well done. I think SnnY was right about the drugs...
Ok perhaps i agree with u, i should think about others too but am not drug adicted :lol:
Btw ur avatar&#39;s background doesnt show transparent in IE cuz IE doesnt supports PNG transparency
It doesn&#39;t show transparent on mine either but as it was a gift from Peerzy I didn&#39;t like to say... ;)
:( Ity does in FireFox :unsure: . [/b][/quote]
thats why they call FireFox "The Best"
Man Admin will realy get pissed if he saw we&#39;re hijaking his threat :lol:

[Peerzy]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user+1 August 2004 - 10:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bawa@Klite_user @ 1 August 2004 - 10:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by peerzyboy@1 August 2004 - 14:19

Originally posted by Withcheese@1 August 2004 - 10:17

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:15

Originally posted by Withcheese@1 August 2004 - 14:12
<!--QuoteBegin-bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:07
Anit spam IS good addOn and i hardly get the error Thingy

Stop being so selfish. What about the people who are affected by it a lot? And it doesn&#39;t affect "spammers" or such just normal posters.

I get hit on average 5 times a day and I know people who get hit worse. No other fourm has this.

Damn, if ever I needed confirmation on your moron status that post was it. Well done. I think SnnY was right about the drugs...
Ok perhaps i agree with u, i should think about others too but am not drug adicted :lol:
Btw ur avatar&#39;s background doesnt show transparent in IE cuz IE doesnt supports PNG transparency
It doesn&#39;t show transparent on mine either but as it was a gift from Peerzy I didn&#39;t like to say... ;)
:( Ity does in FireFox :unsure: .
thats why they call FireFox "The Best"
Man Admin will realy get pissed if he saw we&#39;re hijaking his threat :lol: [/b][/quote]
So why the fucka re you using IE :huh: .

[Cheese]

Back on topic:

POTUK (a forum/tracker) are getting shut down this week which is a damn shame, I&#39;ve posted this elsewhere but I&#39;ll post it here to in case Brian wants to read it:


A few minutes ago i recieved the following email from our server host


Hello, I regret to inform you, but due to request of the Datacenter, we can
no longer host your site on their network. I am sorry, but we are given
until Tuesday Morning, Central Time for your site to be moved off their
network. You will be refunded for the remaining server time of 18 days.
I am very sorry for this, and wish we could continue to host you. Please do
not hold this against my company.

Please respond with acknowledgment, and confirm your paypal address and
refund will be given.


Thank You,
Chris Allessi II
Global Datacenter


as you can see we were given no real explanation, but is probally quite obvious.

myself and mr-c are very dissapointed about what has happened as we had very good assurances about being shut down from the host and they had their eyes wide open when we subscribed to them.

This leaves us with little choice but to close down the site on TUESDAY and we feel that it may be for some time this time, as this was a lucky find last time.

Finding a host is going to be a mammouth task and to be honest we dont know where to begin looking now, as most avenues have already been explored.

However we will continually strive to find a host and admin and mods that are gonna ride this with us will be hanging out on filesoup.com in the meantime at least. Our irc channel will continue to be open and can be found by first downloading mirc client from mirc.com and installing it. then go to this link ***************

we are at least going to find a host to hold out fron page www.potuk.com and you will be able to contact us there in some way or another.

One way or another. WE WILL BE BACK. Just a matter of time

on a final note lets hammer this server to hell in the next few days. Im urging you to post as much of your torrents as possible to suprnova. lets see how much this tracker can really handle :) (it will be up slightly longer than the forum too, so your downloads should finish ok)

StEaLtH & MR-C (ADMIN)



Edited:

Cheesy, I wasnt sure if that was a private or public tracker.

If its a private tracker, im sure the last thing they want is their IRC link given out, so ive removed it. ;)

Paul

[Peerzy]

Only reason i use PNG is GIF started fucking up recently in Photoshop, coming out all grany and bad quality, didnt use to :huh: .

[BawA]

Originally posted by peerzyboy+1 August 2004 - 14:22--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peerzyboy @ 1 August 2004 - 14:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 10:21

Originally posted by peerzyboy@1 August 2004 - 14:19

Originally posted by Withcheese@1 August 2004 - 10:17

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:15

Originally posted by Withcheese@1 August 2004 - 14:12
<!--QuoteBegin-bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:07
Anit spam IS good addOn and i hardly get the error Thingy

Stop being so selfish. What about the people who are affected by it a lot? And it doesn&#39;t affect "spammers" or such just normal posters.

I get hit on average 5 times a day and I know people who get hit worse. No other fourm has this.

Damn, if ever I needed confirmation on your moron status that post was it. Well done. I think SnnY was right about the drugs...
Ok perhaps i agree with u, i should think about others too but am not drug adicted :lol:
Btw ur avatar&#39;s background doesnt show transparent in IE cuz IE doesnt supports PNG transparency
It doesn&#39;t show transparent on mine either but as it was a gift from Peerzy I didn&#39;t like to say... ;)
:( Ity does in FireFox :unsure: .
thats why they call FireFox "The Best"
Man Admin will realy get pissed if he saw we&#39;re hijaking his threat :lol:
So why the fucka re you using IE :huh: . [/b][/quote]
When did i said i use IE :blink:
i just Use IE when i cheak my Mail on Hotmail when i get Msn mail alerts

[Peerzy]

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user+1 August 2004 - 10:29--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bawa@Klite_user @ 1 August 2004 - 10:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by peerzyboy@1 August 2004 - 14:22

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 10:21

Originally posted by peerzyboy@1 August 2004 - 14:19

Originally posted by Withcheese@1 August 2004 - 10:17

Originally posted by bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:15

Originally posted by Withcheese@1 August 2004 - 14:12
<!--QuoteBegin-bawa@Klite_user@1 August 2004 - 11:07
Anit spam IS good addOn and i hardly get the error Thingy

Stop being so selfish. What about the people who are affected by it a lot? And it doesn&#39;t affect "spammers" or such just normal posters.

I get hit on average 5 times a day and I know people who get hit worse. No other fourm has this.

Damn, if ever I needed confirmation on your moron status that post was it. Well done. I think SnnY was right about the drugs...
Ok perhaps i agree with u, i should think about others too but am not drug adicted :lol:
Btw ur avatar&#39;s background doesnt show transparent in IE cuz IE doesnt supports PNG transparency
It doesn&#39;t show transparent on mine either but as it was a gift from Peerzy I didn&#39;t like to say... ;)
:( Ity does in FireFox :unsure: .
thats why they call FireFox "The Best"
Man Admin will realy get pissed if he saw we&#39;re hijaking his threat :lol:
So why the fucka re you using IE :huh: .
When did i said i use IE :blink:
i just Use IE when i cheak my Mail on Hotmail when i get Msn mail alerts [/b][/quote]
Well you would have to have been using IE to see that Cheese&#39;s av background wasnt transparerent.

[Ariel_001]

On topic again:

Is there any updates yet on this Bittorent Torrent Section?

[DanB]

Originally posted by Ariel_001@5 August 2004 - 12:16
On topic again:

Is there any updates yet on this Bittorent Torrent Section?
We are going to get new softaware and an arcade instead :D

Or was this instead of that? :unsure: :blink: