Someone From Egypt

[KazaaBoy]

Can you please confirm if this is true? If it is, can you please hook me up with a link to a news section of it.



A Muslim man in Egypt killed his wife and buried her with their infant baby and 8-year old daughter. The girls were buried alive! He reported to the police that an uncle killed the kids. 15 days later, another family member died. When they went to bury him, they found the 2 girls under the sand - alive! The girl was asked how she had survived. "A man wearing shiny white clothes, with bleeding wounds in his hands, came every day to feed us. He woke up my mom so she could nurse my sister." She was interviewed on Egyptian national TV, by a veiled Muslim woman news anchor. She said on public TV, "This was none other but Jesus, because nobody else does things like this!" Muslims believe Isa would do this, but the wounds mean He really was crucified, and it's clear also that He is alive! The country is outraged over the incident, and the man will be executed. But it's also clear that the a child could not make up a story like this, and there is no way these children could have survived without a true miracle. Muslim leaders are going to have a hard time to figure out what to do with this, and the popularity of the Passion movie doesn't help! With Egypt at the center of the media and education in the Middle East, you can be sure this story will spread.

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by KazaaBoy@31 July 2004 - 17:58
Can you please confirm if this is true? If it is, can you please hook me up with a link to a news section of it.



A Muslim man in Egypt killed his wife and buried her with their infant baby and 8-year old daughter. The girls were buried alive! He reported to the police that an uncle killed the kids. 15 days later, another family member died. When they went to bury him, they found the 2 girls under the sand - alive! The girl was asked how she had survived. "A man wearing shiny white clothes, with bleeding wounds in his hands, came every day to feed us. He woke up my mom so she could nurse my sister." She was interviewed on Egyptian national TV, by a veiled Muslim woman news anchor. She said on public TV, "This was none other but Jesus, because nobody else does things like this!" Muslims believe Isa would do this, but the wounds mean He really was crucified, and it's clear also that He is alive! The country is outraged over the incident, and the man will be executed. But it's also clear that the a child could not make up a story like this, and there is no way these children could have survived without a true miracle. Muslim leaders are going to have a hard time to figure out what to do with this, and the popularity of the Passion movie doesn't help! With Egypt at the center of the media and education in the Middle East, you can be sure this story will spread.

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it isn't true. you won't find it on any "real" news site 'cause it didn't actually happen. it's a hoax. you will never know the name of the person brought back from the dead, or the children, or of any professional journalist who committed a description of the incident to print or video.

http://www.jesus.org.uk/dawn/2004/dawn25.html#Egypt

if you really have a burning desire to get to the bottom of it, your first stop should be to ask Victor (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Victor+Khalil%22) and Deborah Khalil (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Deborah+Khalil%22) of Ministries International in Poway, California to provide you with documentation of their sources, since they're the names credited with putting the story into internet circulation. but i doubt you'll get anything because it's prolly just a story they cooked up for their ministry's anti-Islam mission, akin to a TV preacher reading letters on the air from "John Doe" viewers who were suddenly cured of cancer while watching the preacher's show.

[Rat Faced]

I have to agree with 3RA1N1AC,

If this had been on a serious Egyption TV news program, it would be all over the place within hours.

The fact that it isnt, gives doubt to the claim.

[KazaaBoy]

not really. The government is muslim so they would want to keep it under wraps.

[3RA1N1AC]

i'm sure i'm skeptical of the story just because i'm not a religious person. but if i were, i might still like to see some proper names, faces, and sources before i take a story of modern miracle at face value... as KazaaBoy apparently does too, since he asked for help in verifying it.

so... yeah, try writing to that ministry and see if they can offer anything more than a vague anecdote.

[muchspl2]

FAKE!
http://members.cox.net/ot_space/religion.jpg

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by KazaaBoy@1 August 2004 - 11:34
not really. The government is muslim so they would want to keep it under wraps.
The Muslims accept Jesus Christ as a prophet...

If it was on TV, they couldnt "Keep it under wraps" even if they wanted too... it would be out there.

[Biggles]

Originally posted by Rat Faced+1 August 2004 - 11:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rat Faced @ 1 August 2004 - 11:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-KazaaBoy@1 August 2004 - 11:34
not really.&nbsp; The government is muslim so they would want to keep it under wraps.
The Muslims accept Jesus Christ as a prophet...

If it was on TV, they couldnt "Keep it under wraps" even if they wanted too... it would be out there. [/b][/quote]
This is the case.

Jesus is revered as a Prophet and as I recall they do not believe he died but rather was taken to heaven by God. (Obviously a major theological departure point if these things matter to you) Consequently he is available as a Prophet of God to perform miracles on God&#39;s behalf. If this story is true (big if I know) then it would not cause any problems for the Islamic religious leaders. (Let&#39;s face it not much does cause a big problem in the long term - just about anything can be adapted and adopted by almost any religion)

The Passion film has been encouraged by these same leaders precisely because it casts the Jews as the executors of Jesus whereas they revere him.

[KazaaBoy]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@1 August 2004 - 11:47
If it was on TV, they couldnt "Keep it under wraps" even if they wanted too... it would be out there.
They can as they wouldn&#39;t want it to go international.

[hobbes]

Just to be pointlessly practical, she stated that he fed her. Food is actually the last thing she needs to worry about.

She would have suffocated long, long, long before starvation would have been an issue.

Some water would also have been nice.

If I were an enterprising rescuer, I would have collected her poop and sold it on the interweb as divine poop from devine food.

I wonder what Jesus was bringing her? Was he old school fish and bread or did update the menu and give her mac and cheese.

Maybe he fed her shrimp gumbo, then BAM&#33; kicked it up a notch with some "essence".
http://www.emeril-cookware.com/largeimage/em-original.jpg

[[B][O][T]]

http://www.marysyellowstone.com/posts/comments.php?id=476

[KazaaBoy]

Originally posted by hobbes@1 August 2004 - 18:57
Just to be pointlessly practical, she stated that he fed her. Food is actually the last thing she needs to worry about.

She would have suffocated long, long, long before starvation would have been an issue.

Some water would also have been nice.

If I were an enterprising rescuer, I would have collected her poop and sold it on the interweb as divine poop from devine food.

I wonder what Jesus was bringing her? Was he old school fish and bread or did update the menu and give her mac and cheese.

Maybe he fed her shrimp gumbo, then BAM&#33; kicked it up a notch with some "essence".
http://www.emeril-cookware.com/largeimage/em-original.jpg
you&#39;re an idiot <_<

This is world news & Events. Sarcasm is in jokes section.

[Biggles]

Originally posted by KazaaBoy+1 August 2004 - 18:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KazaaBoy @ 1 August 2004 - 18:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@1 August 2004 - 11:47
If it was on TV, they couldnt "Keep it under wraps" even if they wanted too... it would be out there.
They can as they wouldn&#39;t want it to go international. [/b][/quote]
Why not?

Prophet Jesus looks after Muslim in person - I think they would be rather keen on that idea.

Was any message imparted? Or was this purely a mission of mercy?

[KazaaBoy]

because it would contradict their beliefs. They believe that Jesus did not die but was taken into heaven. The little girls says he had wounds on his hands which means he was crucified and died.

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by [B][O][T]@1 August 2004 - 19:02
http://www.marysyellowstone.com/posts/comments.php?id=476
Is it me, or is Religious Fanaticism on the increase everywhere, and in every Religion?

I seem to see/hear more Religion of every stripe now, than i ever have....






Luckily the pentagram and goats head on the wall scares the missionaries away :ph34r:

[hobbes]

Originally posted by KazaaBoy@1 August 2004 - 17:13
you&#39;re an idiot <_<

This is world news & Events.&nbsp; Sarcasm is in jokes section.
How am I an idiot?

Explain please.

The point is that the girl would have suffocated long before food or water became an issue.

My post was a poke at how people are so eager to believe these stories. They understand that people need food and water to survive, but fail to grasp that buried people need air more than anything.

You could say that God took care of the "air" part, but if so, why bother with the literal act of feeding through Jesus. God could have just provided sustenance to them invisibly, without needing to manisfest himself physically.

My whole point was to show that the desire of people to believe this tale blinds them to a true critical evaluation of the situation. Food and water are pointless when you have suffocated.

[Biggles]

Originally posted by KazaaBoy@1 August 2004 - 20:24
because it would contradict their beliefs. They believe that Jesus did not die but was taken into heaven. The little girls says he had wounds on his hands which means he was crucified and died.
I may be wrong, but I understood that they believed he did not die on the cross but was taken down he was later raised to Heaven by God at the site in Jerusalem where the Mosque stands.

This belief was not uncommon amongst certain early Christians but was later declared a heresy.

Consequently, the presence of identifying wounds should not present any theological problems to the Mullahs.

However, I suspect they would want to make sure the story (if it exists) was verifiable before leaping in with any pronouncements - otherwise they could look very silly indeed.

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by KazaaBoy+1 August 2004 - 19:13--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KazaaBoy @ 1 August 2004 - 19:13)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@1 August 2004 - 18:57
Just to be pointlessly practical, she stated that he fed her.&nbsp; Food is actually the last thing she needs to worry about.

She would have suffocated long, long, long before starvation would have been an issue.

Some water would also have been nice.&nbsp;

If I were an enterprising rescuer, I would have collected her poop and sold it on the interweb as divine poop from devine food.&nbsp;

I wonder what Jesus was bringing her?&nbsp; Was he old school fish and bread or did update the menu and give her mac and cheese.

Maybe he fed her shrimp gumbo, then BAM&#33; kicked it up a notch with some "essence".
http://www.emeril-cookware.com/largeimage/em-original.jpg
you&#39;re an idiot <_<

This is world news & Events. Sarcasm is in jokes section. [/b][/quote]
hes got a point, how did she eat everyday and not poo? ok maybe she could hold it in :rolleyes:


and how did she see him? did he frabricate in the soil in front of her eyes. did she imagine him? did the cruel bastard dig her up very tea time thenn bury her again?

[Biggles]

I can&#39;t recall the exact percentages but Egypt has a sizeable (10%) Christian population - mostly Copts. Alexandria was one of the most important cities in the early church. The Copts have a long tradition and some of the oldest monastries in the World. They also believe in some quite surreal stuff. These people were not Copts by any chance? :blink:

[MicroScreen2]

theres something on newsnight about the "egypt jesus scam"

[spinningfreemanny]

lol, how can you explain the supernatuaral?

are you saying that Jesus Christ almighty would forget water or air?

maybe the vision was just a security point to leave her with, or somethin , I don&#39;t know.

of course I&#39;m not saying if this is true or not; I think its doubtful if anyone will know for sure, the enthreal does not make newslines.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by spinningfreemanny@5 August 2004 - 23:07
lol, how can you explain the supernatuaral?

are you saying that Jesus Christ almighty would forget water or air?

maybe the vision was just a security point to leave her with, or somethin , I don&#39;t know.

of course I&#39;m not saying if this is true or not; I think its doubtful if anyone will know for sure, the enthreal does not make newslines.
It all boils down to the fact that people believe what they want to believe. Facts be damned.

[spinningfreemanny]

agreed