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DanB
08-04-2004, 12:11 PM
:(

ziggyjuarez
08-04-2004, 12:13 PM
http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=120263
:(

100%
08-04-2004, 12:19 PM
Why?

Was it (hopefully) a shitty job?

Guillaume
08-04-2004, 12:23 PM
No need to be depressed:
http://www.lowculture.com/archives/brian.jpg
Always look on the bright side of life!

Life is nice on the dole: the drinking, the scratching of balls, the posting of shite on the internet... I should know, I've been doing this for the past month and a half ! :D

DanB
08-04-2004, 12:23 PM
It was pretty sweet job, I got loads of time off thanks to my shifts.

I hadmy probation review and it had already been extended 6 weeks and they decided just to say bye bye to me.

Think 9 days sick in 4 months might have something to do with it BUT I am currently undergoing bloodtests and stuff with the doctors to get to the bottom of the liver problem <_<


Oh well, I have faced worse things :rolleyes:

100%
08-04-2004, 12:35 PM
Too bad

lots of jobs out there - avoid the army

Barbarossa
08-04-2004, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by danb@4 August 2004 - 13:24
It was pretty sweet job, I got loads of time off thanks to my shifts.

Oh well, you&#39;ve got even more time off now&#33; <_<

DanB
08-04-2004, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by barbarossa+4 August 2004 - 13:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (barbarossa @ 4 August 2004 - 13:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-danb@4 August 2004 - 13:24
It was pretty sweet job, I got loads of time off thanks to my shifts.

Oh well, you've got even more time off now! <_< [/b][/quote]
Very true but I am not getting paifd for it so I cant pay my rent.

We justhad a summons for 1800 worth of Council Tax too :ph34r:

Peerzy
08-04-2004, 12:54 PM
What was the job? Sorry to hear it Dan :( .

DanB
08-04-2004, 12:54 PM
My 6 days on, 6 days off thing <_<

brenda
08-04-2004, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by danb+4 August 2004 - 12:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (danb @ 4 August 2004 - 12:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by barbarossa@4 August 2004 - 13:53
<!--QuoteBegin-danb@4 August 2004 - 13:24
It was pretty sweet job, I got loads of time off thanks to my shifts.

Oh well, you've got even more time off now! <_<
Very true but I am not getting paifd for it so I cant pay my rent.

We justhad a summons for 1800 worth of Council Tax too :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
Don't worry about the council tax chick, just tell them that you are willing to pay so much a week and give them a breakdown of your incomings and outgoings, they will then consider your offer (say for example 5 a week) and that you are willing to increase this when you are in a better financial position.

DanB
08-04-2004, 01:42 PM
Are they that nice then? :unsure:

brenda
08-04-2004, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by danb@4 August 2004 - 13:43
Are they that nice then? :unsure:
Yes :D

but only if you&#39;re nice to them..... otherwise they send you to prison :P

TheRealDave
08-04-2004, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by brenda+4 August 2004 - 13:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (brenda @ 4 August 2004 - 13:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-danb@4 August 2004 - 13:43
Are they that nice then?&nbsp; :unsure:
Yes :D

but only if you&#39;re nice to them..... otherwise they send you to prison :P [/b][/quote]
She knows from experience. ;)

brenda
08-04-2004, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by TheRealDave+4 August 2004 - 13:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheRealDave @ 4 August 2004 - 13:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by brenda@4 August 2004 - 13:45
<!--QuoteBegin-danb@4 August 2004 - 13:43
Are they that nice then?* :unsure:
Yes :D

but only if you&#39;re nice to them..... otherwise they send you to prison :P
She knows from experience. ;) [/b][/quote]
:D

DanB
08-04-2004, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by brenda+4 August 2004 - 14:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (brenda @ 4 August 2004 - 14:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-danb@4 August 2004 - 13:43
Are they that nice then?&nbsp; :unsure:
Yes :D

but only if you&#39;re nice to them..... otherwise they send you to prison :P [/b][/quote]
Been there, done that :ph34r:

Gemby!
08-04-2004, 01:52 PM
bad to hear about the job but that means that you can now broaden your horizons or something like that .... :01:

Peerzy
08-04-2004, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@4 August 2004 - 13:53
blah blah blah....but that means that you can now broaden your horizons or something like that .... :01:
Broaden your horizons with Prison :ph34r: Gemby has a dream :ph34r:

DanB
08-04-2004, 01:57 PM
Meet lots of interesting people :rolleyes:

Gemby!
08-04-2004, 01:58 PM
could form some interesting &#39;friendships&#39; :blink: :helpsmile:

Peerzy
08-04-2004, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@4 August 2004 - 13:59
could form some interesting &#39;friendships&#39; :blink: :helpsmile:
2 males per cell, 1 bed per cell.... :ph34r:

Gemby!
08-04-2004, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by peerzyboy+4 August 2004 - 14:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peerzyboy @ 4 August 2004 - 14:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@4 August 2004 - 13:59
could form some interesting &#39;friendships&#39;&nbsp; :blink:&nbsp; :helpsmile:
2 males per cell, 1 bed per cell.... :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
only 2 males ?? :ph34r:

Peerzy
08-04-2004, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;+4 August 2004 - 14:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gemby&#33; @ 4 August 2004 - 14:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by peerzyboy@4 August 2004 - 14:00
<!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@4 August 2004 - 13:59
could form some interesting &#39;friendships&#39;&nbsp; :blink:&nbsp; :helpsmile:
2 males per cell, 1 bed per cell.... :ph34r:
only 2 males ?? :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
Whatever turns you on... :ph34r:

Gemby!
08-04-2004, 02:02 PM
im not the one going to prison ... am i danb ?? :P

Peerzy
08-04-2004, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@4 August 2004 - 14:03
im not the one going to prison ... am i danb ?? :P
yes you are, you&#39;ve been a veeeeeeeeery baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad girl.... :ph34r:


/me whips whip.... :ph34r:

Gemby!
08-04-2004, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by peerzyboy+4 August 2004 - 14:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peerzyboy @ 4 August 2004 - 14:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@4 August 2004 - 14:03
im not the one going to prison ... am i danb ??&nbsp; :P
yes you are, you&#39;ve been a veeeeeeeeery baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad girl.... :ph34r:


/me whips whip.... :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
:01:

i cant go to jail ..... GEMBY IS GOD AND GOD DOESNT GO TO JAIL &#33;&#33;&#33; :01:

Peerzy
08-04-2004, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;+4 August 2004 - 14:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gemby&#33; @ 4 August 2004 - 14:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by peerzyboy@4 August 2004 - 14:04
<!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@4 August 2004 - 14:03
im not the one going to prison ... am i danb ??&nbsp; :P
yes you are, you&#39;ve been a veeeeeeeeery baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad girl.... :ph34r:


/me whips whip.... :ph34r:
:01:

i cant go to jail ..... GEMBY IS GOD AND GOD DOESNT GO TO JAIL &#33;&#33;&#33; :01: [/b][/quote]
Give Dan his job back then :angry:

Gemby!
08-04-2004, 02:08 PM
workign is for losers - i say be free &#33;&#33; :01:

ps. has the whippin stopped ?

manker
08-04-2004, 02:12 PM
Sorry to hear about the job Dan, Brenda is right about the council though plus you can probably get the DSS to pay the 5 quid per week for you and any other housing related bills until you get a new job. Just go and ask them, our welfare state is the best in t&#39;world :D

Also sorry about these feckers hi-jacking your thread :lol:

http://www.lawnbowls.com.au/images/entertainment/speechbubbles/hijack.jpg

Gemby!
08-04-2004, 02:15 PM
well he hi-jacks mine

its only fair i return the favour :rolleyes:

Peerzy
08-04-2004, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by manker@4 August 2004 - 14:13
Also sorry about these feckers hi-jacking your thread :lol:
How dare you speak i&#39;ll of God, he&#39;s gonna smite and own j00 ass soon&#33;

manker
08-04-2004, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by peerzyboy+4 August 2004 - 15:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peerzyboy @ 4 August 2004 - 15:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-manker@4 August 2004 - 14:13
Also sorry about these feckers hi-jacking your thread :lol:
How dare you speak i&#39;ll of God, he&#39;s gonna smite and own j00 ass soon&#33; [/b][/quote]
I thought I felt something after I typed it, must have been god&#39;s omnipotence. Not unpleasant tho&#39; :w00t:

Gemby!
08-04-2004, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by peerzyboy+4 August 2004 - 14:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (peerzyboy @ 4 August 2004 - 14:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-manker@4 August 2004 - 14:13
Also sorry about these feckers hi-jacking your thread :lol:
How dare you speak i&#39;ll of God, he&#39;s gonna smite and own j00 ass soon&#33; [/b][/quote]
SHE&#39;S gonna smite .... :rolleyes:





I thought I felt something after I typed it, must have been god&#39;s omnipotence. Not unpleasant tho&#39;

:lol: :lol: Gemby rules &#33; :01:

Peerzy
08-04-2004, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;+4 August 2004 - 14:22--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gemby&#33; &#064; 4 August 2004 - 14:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by peerzyboy@4 August 2004 - 14:18
<!--QuoteBegin-manker@4 August 2004 - 14:13
Also sorry about these feckers hi-jacking your thread :lol:
How dare you speak i&#39;ll of God, he&#39;s gonna smite and own j00 ass soon&#33;
SHE&#39;S gonna smite .... :rolleyes:





I thought I felt something after I typed it, must have been god&#39;s omnipotence. Not unpleasant tho&#39;

:lol: :lol: Gemby rules &#33; :01: [/b][/quote]
Smite away&#33; He&#39;s a lapdog of Satan :ph34r: &#33;

vidcc
08-04-2004, 02:24 PM
Goodluck with the job hunting dude. (see i am still young and groovy enough to use words like "dude").

Gemby!
08-04-2004, 02:25 PM
do you think satan is kinky .??

i&#39;ve seen the way he looks at me ... :unsure:

DanB
08-04-2004, 02:33 PM
5 a week? More like 355 a month :blink:

manker
08-04-2004, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by danb@4 August 2004 - 15:34
5 a week? More like 355 a month :blink:
Ahhh don&#39;t worry, you&#39;ll get all your housing bills paid while you&#39;re out of work. You just need to fill a few forms in.

That&#39;s what you paid National Insurance for ;)

NikkiD
08-04-2004, 02:53 PM
Dan, really sorry to hear that :(

Did you at least hook up with the temp????

Energizer_God
08-04-2004, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;+4 August 2004 - 15:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (gemby&#33; &#064; 4 August 2004 - 15:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by peerzyboy@4 August 2004 - 14:04
<!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@4 August 2004 - 14:03
im not the one going to prison ... am i danb ??* :P
yes you are, you&#39;ve been a veeeeeeeeery baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad girl.... :ph34r:


/me whips whip.... :ph34r:
:01:

i cant go to jail ..... GEMBY IS GOD AND GOD DOESNT GO TO JAIL &#33;&#33;&#33; :01: [/b][/quote]
Hey who &#39;s the god here..... :o i&#39;ll do the smiting around here :angry:
lol

Gemby!
08-04-2004, 03:20 PM
umm me ? :lol:

Energizer_God
08-04-2004, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@4 August 2004 - 16:21
umm me ? :lol:
I&#39;ll be the judge of that.. o:) ..ermmmm noway , no ,nope ..... if your good enough i&#39;ll let you be an :angel1: beside we are getting :offtopic: get off the computer and go out and get a job...my son :helpsmile:

Gemby!
08-04-2004, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by Energizer_God+4 August 2004 - 15:33--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Energizer_God @ 4 August 2004 - 15:33)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gemby&#33;@4 August 2004 - 16:21
umm me ? :lol:
I&#39;ll be the judge of that.. o:) ..ermmmm noway , no ,nope ..... if your good enough i&#39;ll let you be an :angel1: beside we are getting :offtopic: get off the computer and go out and get a job...my son :helpsmile: [/b][/quote]
read the line under my av.

GEMBY IS GOD

you are merely a minion :rolleyes:


and your gonna be jobless unless you quit your talkingness :01:

ginguar
08-04-2004, 06:10 PM
Sorry to hear about you loosing your job Dan but at least it means you can come to the BBQ now ;)

Gemby!
08-04-2004, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by ginguar@4 August 2004 - 18:11
Sorry to hear about you loosing your job Dan but at least it means you can come to the BBQ now ;)
now thats thinking positive &#33; :lol:

(>Zero Cool<)
08-04-2004, 08:15 PM
Sorry to hear that dan :(

Lilmiss
08-04-2004, 10:31 PM
Bad luck Dan,
Hope it all picks up soon pal. :01:

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Lynne1977uk/dancing+dan.gif

Robert00000
08-05-2004, 12:12 AM
Don&#39;t worry in the UK the government pays you benefit if you&#39;re out of work and all your living expenses.

If you&#39;re in debt you can file for bankrupcy, i have a friend who did that, he borrowed 480,000 (&#036;864,000) to buy a business and transfered the biz to his brother&#39;s name and filed for bankrupcy. He gets benefit from the state and makes money from the biz :lol:

I would&#39;nt recommend that cos its naughty. :o

EDIT: corrected spelling

JONNO_CELEBS
08-05-2004, 09:21 AM
Whoa shit Dan :( Sorry dude that sucks :(

Know how you feel, I got sacked about a week before xmas and I could&#39;nt get shit help from anyone <_<
But Brenda&#39;s right, anyone you owe money to, if you offer them a payment they can&#39;t force you to pay more if you hav&#39;nt got it, if they tell you otherwise ignor it, the collectors are on comission so the more you pay the more they earn (this info I got from CAB) so offer them what you can afford :)

You&#39;ll get sorted mate :)

I did :)

Jonno B)

Edit@Robert......
Don&#39;t worry in the UK the government pays you benefit if you&#39;re out of work and all your living expenses.
That is such a false statement, this depends so much on your circumstances, if you have a kid you&#39;re laughing, if you&#39;re a single male living alone and have been self employed you&#39;re fucked, trust me, I know.

manker
08-05-2004, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@5 August 2004 - 10:22
Edit@Robert......
Don&#39;t worry in the UK the government pays you benefit if you&#39;re out of work and all your living expenses.
That is such a false statement, this depends so much on your circumstances, if you have a kid you&#39;re laughing, if you&#39;re a single male living alone and have been self employed you&#39;re fucked, trust me, I know.
Key statement there being self-employed. If you&#39;ve demonstrated once that you can earn money without an employer then quite rightly the benefit agency is less likely to give you money to sustain yourself because you&#39;ve demonstrated that you can do it yourself.

There is a BIG difference between the treatment wrt benefit of self employed people who can&#39;t get work and recently laid off ex-employees. Trust me, I know ;)




BTW I&#39;m not saying that it is fair nor that it was right that you couldnt get help, I&#39;m just saying that&#39;s the way it is :(

JONNO_CELEBS
08-05-2004, 09:40 AM
I know Manker, they asked me what trade I was in, I said Buiilding and they told me their records show the building trade to be flourishing, I asked where these records where taken, he said London <_<
I&#39;m in a town on the east coast, slight difference <_<
But yeah, thats basically it, altho I got sacked (wrongly) from the coucil a few years ago and got no help, I was told I would have to apply for Hardship benefit which would mean I would have to leave my house and go in a B&B
This would be because I don&#39;t have a child :rolleyes:
My mate has just had a kid, he works the same place I do, he gets an extra 45 per week from the WFTC, his girl get 190 per week for looking after her child and the kid get 28 per week and it&#39;s only 10 weeks old <_<
And they wonder why there&#39;s no insentive to work :frusty:
Bit like that couple who don&#39;t work but have 5 kids and get 37,000 per year from the gov :angry: , Like the dad said, why the hell do I want to work when we get that <_<

Jonno B)

DanB
08-05-2004, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by manker+5 August 2004 - 10:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (manker @ 5 August 2004 - 10:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS@5 August 2004 - 10:22
Edit@Robert......
Don&#39;t worry in the UK the government pays you benefit if you&#39;re out of work and all your living expenses.
That is such a false statement, this depends so much on your circumstances, if you have a kid you&#39;re laughing, if you&#39;re a single male living alone and have been self employed you&#39;re fucked, trust me, I know.
Key statement there being self-employed. If you&#39;ve demonstrated once that you can earn money without an employer then quite rightly the benefit agency is less likely to give you money to sustain yourself because you&#39;ve demonstrated that you can do it yourself.

There is a BIG difference between the treatment wrt benefit of self employed people who can&#39;t get work and recently laid off ex-employees. Trust me, I know ;)




BTW I&#39;m not saying that it is fair nor that it was right that you couldnt get help, I&#39;m just saying that&#39;s the way it is :( [/b][/quote]
Where do need to go? Just to the Job Centre? :unsure:


Last time I was in a pickle like this I had just got out of nick and they weren&#39;t to helpful to me then, signed me up for the JSA and that was that :( Nothing about Housing Benefit etc

JONNO_CELEBS
08-05-2004, 10:46 AM
You phone the JC up and ask them to send you forms for JSA , Housing benefit and council tax benifit :)
They will send you forms and make you an appointment :)

If you lost your job because you took too much time off thru illness which is not faked and you have doctors records you may also be able to appeal and get some compensation :)
Call the CAB about that :)

Jonno B)

DanB
08-05-2004, 10:52 AM
I have just spent the last 30 mins or so reading the CAB website. I could have got Council Tax benefit for the last 2 years :o Damn them they just sent me a summons too <_<

I am going to go to the CAB office in sutton on Monday morning, I am hoping they can talk me through all of it, the benefits and alsu the unfair dismissal thing. Unlucklily for them I do have the Doc&#39;s records to back it up :)

JONNO_CELEBS
08-05-2004, 10:54 AM
Yeah, unfortunately the council will back date everything except council tax <_<

Good luck tho Dan :)

Take em to the fucken cleaners :01:

Jonno B)

DanB
08-05-2004, 10:56 AM
:01: :01: :01:

Have to try and make some good from the situation :rolleyes:



Cheers for the help

JONNO_CELEBS
08-05-2004, 11:20 AM
There is no situation in which you cannot find good :)
Even the darkest most painful situation, if you look hard enough there will be some form of good :)

Ooo don&#39;t punch the council officer :ph34r: They don&#39;t like that <_<

Jonno B)

DanB
08-05-2004, 11:39 AM
That sounds like the voice of experience talking :lol:

JONNO_CELEBS
08-05-2004, 12:13 PM
:01: I never punched the guy <_< , he made that up, I just kinda shoved him a little :ph34r:

Jonno B)

lynx
08-05-2004, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@5 August 2004 - 13:14
:01: I never punched the guy <_< , he made that up, I just kinda shoved him a little :ph34r:

Jonno B)
You should have punched him, far more satisfying. :lol:

Manker is wrong about the self-employed thing. You don&#39;t have to have made a living at being self-employed to have problems getting any benefits, you just have to be registered as self-employed.

I was advised (by the Job Centre) to register as self-employed when looking for short term computer contract work. Unfortunately there wasn&#39;t much around at the time, so I then applied for benefits. I was now classed as self-employed, so no Job Seekers Allowance. Still, I should be able to get income benefit.

Well not exactly. I had lent my brother some money to buy a car (why pay finance companies when you can keep the interest in the family). The amount left was about 7500 and he was paying back 250 per month, which works out at 57.53 per week. If the amount outstanding had been less than 6000 I could have got income benefit as it doesn&#39;t count as income, since it is a capital repayment.

As it was, the amount I was receiving from my brother was deducted from any income benefits I might have received, which would have been about 53 per week. As anyone can see, that leaves a negative figure so no Income Benefit either. And without Income Benefit you can&#39;t get all sorts of other benefits either, such as help with Mortgage interest, dental treatment, eye tests, prescriptions.

When you&#39;ve been paying in to the system for 30 years it is particularly annoying when you can&#39;t get any help when you need it.

manker
08-05-2004, 01:21 PM
How was I wrong? I stated that once you&#39;ve demonstrated that you can earn a living without an employer you are less likely to receive benefits. That is correct. I didn&#39;t encompass those that register and never earn anything but nor did I exclude them.

What you say is also correct but, relatively speaking, doesn&#39;t happen very often, you had some particularly bad advice and should have been made aware of the consequences of registering as self-employed before commiting as such.

Effectively you signed a form without reading the small print.

Robert00000
08-05-2004, 01:29 PM
Do the benefits agency make checks on your savings? because my friend had a great deal of money saved up (don&#39;t ask me where, i&#39;m assuming in a bank account) but he was still entitled to benefits.

manker
08-05-2004, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Robert00000@5 August 2004 - 14:30
Do the benefits agency make checks on your savings? because my friend had a great deal of money saved up (don&#39;t ask me where, i&#39;m assuming in a bank account) but he was still entitled to benefits.
Yes, if you have more than 7 grand (or thereabouts) in savings or investments, your benefit cheque will have a very different look. Some benefits stop while others are significantly reduced.

lynx
08-05-2004, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by Robert00000@5 August 2004 - 14:30
Do the benefits agency make checks on your savings? because my friend had a great deal of money saved up (don&#39;t ask me where, i&#39;m assuming in a bank account) but he was still entitled to benefits.
Yes, if you&#39;ve got over 6000 of savings you can&#39;t get Income Support, but you can get JSA. I think the limit is about 18000 for Council Tax Benefit. They will ask you about your savings if you apply for IS (or CTB) and they ask to check your bank accounts if they know about them.

Edit: the figures above are 2 years old, they may have changes since.

One of the other drawbacks about registering self-employed, you have to pay your NI stamp, and the most convenient way is to pay direct from your bank account. Of course, at the time you don&#39;t think about keeping quiet about your bank account, so then they&#39;ve got the info they need to ask about them.

@Manker, have you ever tried to get the "small print" about benefits in the UK? The only truly definitive place is in some Benefits Agency manuals, and you have to know exactly what you are looking for to get the right answers. I know, I&#39;ve tried. When you are genuinely trying to get work, you try to give yourself the best options for doing so.

Why should you be worse off because you have tried to work for yourself rather than for an employer? If your employer&#39;s business went bust, you would be entitled to JSA. If a self-employed persons business goes bust, why shouldn&#39;t he/she be entitled to the same provisions?

manker
08-05-2004, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by lynx@5 August 2004 - 14:56
@Manker, have you ever tried to get the "small print" about benefits in the UK? The only truly definitive place is in some Benefits Agency manuals, and you have to know exactly what you are looking for to get the right answers. I know, I&#39;ve tried. When you are genuinely trying to get work, you try to give yourself the best options for doing so.

Why should you be worse off because you have tried to work for yourself rather than for an employer? If your employer&#39;s business went bust, you would be entitled to JSA. If a self-employed persons business goes bust, why shouldn&#39;t he/she be entitled to the same provisions?
Well, I&#39;m not talking about the benefits agency &#39;small print&#39; in it&#39;s entirity. I doubt if there is a person alive who is fully versed. There are a number of subsections each with their own experts in different departments or even external organisations.

I was refering to you signing up as self employed without being aware of exactly what it entailed. An accountant would have been able to tell you the pitfalls so you could have made a more informed decision.

With regard to not getting JSA should your business go bankrupt c.f. getting JSA if an employers business goes bankrupt, the simple reason for the distinction to discourage benefit fraud.

I can pretend to stop trading but I can&#39;t pretend to be made redundant.

Robert00000
08-05-2004, 10:48 PM
Well the sum he had at the time was 80,000 + (not including the business which wasn&#39;t in his name) I don&#39;t think he declared it, so the question i&#39;m asking is do they carryout checks (like a credit check) if you don&#39;t tell them you have money stashed away.

manker
08-06-2004, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by Robert00000@5 August 2004 - 23:49
Well the sum he had at the time was 80,000 + (not including the business which wasn&#39;t in his name) I don&#39;t think he declared it, so the question i&#39;m asking is do they carryout checks (like a credit check) if you don&#39;t tell them you have money stashed away.
No they don&#39;t make any checks at that point, whatever you put on the form they take your word for it.

Because of the sheer volume of work, the Revenue - the people who do the grunt work - only do checks on a retrospective basis. They feed the data into a computer which analyses the ratios and compares them to information already held about the individual, if this doesn&#39;t tally up then human eyes look into the problem and decide whether to investigate. In addition to that the same computer soft picks out a number of people at random, who&#39;s information appears correct according to the automated tests, for the inspectors to investigate.

Your mate will probably get away with it, I suspect if the business isn&#39;t in his name then he isn&#39;t going to be daft enough to put the cash in a UK bank account that is in his name :lol:

Robert00000
08-06-2004, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by manker+6 August 2004 - 09:40--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (manker @ 6 August 2004 - 09:40)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Robert00000@5 August 2004 - 23:49
Well the sum he had at the time was 80,000 + (not including the business which wasn&#39;t in his name) I don&#39;t think he declared it, so the question i&#39;m asking is do they carryout checks (like a credit check) if you don&#39;t tell them you have money stashed away.
No they don&#39;t make any checks at that point, whatever you put on the form they take your word for it.

Because of the sheer volume of work, the Revenue - the people who do the grunt work - only do checks on a retrospective basis. They feed the data into a computer which analyses the ratios and compares them to information already held about the individual, if this doesn&#39;t tally up then human eyes look into the problem and decide whether to investigate. In addition to that the same computer soft picks out a number of people at random, who&#39;s information appears correct according to the automated tests, for the inspectors to investigate.

Your mate will probably get away with it, I suspect if the business isn&#39;t in his name then he isn&#39;t going to be daft enough to put the cash in a UK bank account that is in his name :lol: [/b][/quote]
I guess he&#39;ll be relieved to hear that, but i think he&#39;s a lot more shrewd than i gave him credit for :D

Voetsek
08-06-2004, 12:23 PM
They know everything even that i had a co op card scary i have more or less nothing in my name so i am safe

Snee
08-06-2004, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by danb+4 August 2004 - 15:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (danb @ 4 August 2004 - 15:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by brenda@4 August 2004 - 14:45
<!--QuoteBegin-danb@4 August 2004 - 13:43
Are they that nice then?* :unsure:
Yes :D

but only if you&#39;re nice to them..... otherwise they send you to prison :P
Been there, done that :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
Who&#39;s the tax-dodger now, bitch?

Robert00000
08-06-2004, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by SnnY@6 August 2004 - 16:00
Who&#39;s the tax-dodger?
Don&#39;t look at me :ph34r: