Upgrades

[Duffman]

Well my birthdays comeing up in about 2 weeks, so ill be getting around 500USD so im looking to upgrade the, mobo, ram, cpu, and g card. It can go over but with all this new stuff im not sure what to get. Any help?

[clocker]

What do you have now, AND...

Is there any room in your family?
$500 for a birthday?
Sheesh.

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by Duffman3@4 August 2004 - 23:53
Well my birthdays comeing up in about 2 weeks, so ill be getting around 500USD so im looking to upgrade the, mobo, ram, cpu, and g card. It can go over but with all this new stuff im not sure what to get. Any help?
&#036;500? Lucky bastard&#33; All I get for my birthday is a slap upside the head and a new pair of underware. <_<

[clocker]

Originally posted by HardcoreGamer+4 August 2004 - 22:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HardcoreGamer @ 4 August 2004 - 22:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Duffman3@4 August 2004 - 23:53
Well my birthdays comeing up in about 2 weeks, so ill be getting around 500USD so im looking to upgrade the, mobo, ram, cpu, and g card. It can go over but with all this new stuff im not sure what to get. Any help?
&#036;500? Lucky bastard&#33; All I get for my birthday is a slap upside the head and a new pair of underware. <_< [/b][/quote]
What kind of FPS does your underwear get?

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by clocker+5 August 2004 - 00:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 5 August 2004 - 00:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by HardcoreGamer@4 August 2004 - 22:32
<!--QuoteBegin-Duffman3@4 August 2004 - 23:53
Well my birthdays comeing up in about 2 weeks, so ill be getting around 500USD so im looking to upgrade the, mobo, ram, cpu, and g card. It can go over but with all this new stuff im not sure what to get. Any help?
&#036;500? Lucky bastard&#33; All I get for my birthday is a slap upside the head and a new pair of underware. <_<
What kind of FPS does your underwear get? [/b][/quote]
If by FPS you mean For the Penis and Sack then 2 because they are so big. :smilie4:

[Duffman]

Well I&#39;ll be getting some money from my grandma, dad, mom, maybe an aunt or two and ill pay the difference. So its sorta an estimate.

[Duffman]

And now i have an AMD 1800+, nanya pc 2100, 512 of that, and a raedon aiw 9000 pro

[silent h3ro]

I would stick wit teh AMD because of the price. What will you be using the computer for?

[Duffman]

gaming, ill be oc&#39;ing, so i can get a cheaper processor and nock it up a noch.

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by Duffman3@5 August 2004 - 00:51
gaming, ill be oc&#39;ing, so i can get a cheaper processor and nock it up a noch.
Definatly AMD then. Ive never owned AMD so I can&#39;t tell you exactly which one. Though I heard the 2500+ AMD was good.

[SingaBoiy]

Get an AMD 2500+ for around &#036;70.

Then get a GeForce 6800 for around &#036;280.

If you&#39;re gonna want to OC to 3200+ get some faster ram. Maybe some PC3200. Around &#036;100 for a good 512 stick.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Get an Amd 2500XP, Abit NF7-S, 512Mb of PC3200 Ram, and like a 9700 or 9800pro

[Duffman]

should i got a 64bit, is it that much better, too expensive?

[Duffman]

been looking at some video cards, any thoughts as to price to value ratios?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-161-113&depa=0 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-161-113&depa=0)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-121-501&depa=0 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-121-501&depa=0)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-127-134&depa=0 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-127-134&depa=0)

oh hell i don&#39;t know where to start. How about a budget, if i plan on spending aroudn 500 how much shoud i alot per part.

[bigdawgfoxx]

I would not go 64 bit if i were in your shoes....just get a 2500XP

[Duffman]

well if i go for the 2500+ and oc it to the 3200+, why not go up a step more?

[bigdawgfoxx]

Originally posted by Duffman3@4 August 2004 - 23:51
well if i go for the 2500+ and oc it to the 3200+, why not go up a step more?
what you mean by this?

[Duffman]

2700+ to a 3400+, allthough i bet it doesn&#39;t work like that.

[bigdawgfoxx]

No it doesnt quiet work like that ...2500 will overclock the same as a 2700.

[Duffman]

ok well ive settled on the 2500+ and a gig 2x512 of corsair 3200 w/ a free pen i might add, and im looking at mobos now and the graphics card is still gonna take a while

[clocker]

Get a mobile 2600.
Multipliers are unlocked and default clock is already 2.07GHz.

[Storm]

Originally posted by clocker@5 August 2004 - 10:57
Get a mobile 2600.
Multipliers are unlocked and default clock is already 2.07GHz.
what exactly is the bonus of the higher clock??? i mean, if the 2600 would run at 1.5 GHz it would still be a 2600......

[lynx]

Originally posted by Storm+5 August 2004 - 11:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Storm @ 5 August 2004 - 11:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@5 August 2004 - 10:57
Get a mobile 2600.
Multipliers are unlocked and default clock is already 2.07GHz.
what exactly is the bonus of the higher clock??? i mean, if the 2600 would run at 1.5 GHz it would still be a 2600...... [/b][/quote]
Cpu&#39;s use a certain amount of power, and consequently generate a certain amount of heat. Both the 2500 and 2600 mobile Athlons are rated at 45W I believe, so the 2600 is already a step ahead of the 2500 which is why it costs a little more. They both come off the same production line, and are then tested. Assuming everything else is ok they are then graded, some become 2500s, others become 2600s.

On the other hand, as production methods improve, the quality also improves. So if there are more 2600s than they can sell they will move the cut off point so that some which would previously have been classified as 2600s will now be sold as 2500s.

Like everything else, you pay your money, you take your chances.

[Storm]

Originally posted by lynx+5 August 2004 - 11:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx @ 5 August 2004 - 11:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Storm@5 August 2004 - 11:16
<!--QuoteBegin-clocker@5 August 2004 - 10:57
Get a mobile 2600.
Multipliers are unlocked and default clock is already 2.07GHz.
what exactly is the bonus of the higher clock??? i mean, if the 2600 would run at 1.5 GHz it would still be a 2600......
Cpu&#39;s use a certain amount of power, and consequently generate a certain amount of heat. Both the 2500 and 2600 mobile Athlons are rated at 45W I believe, so the 2600 is already a step ahead of the 2500 which is why it costs a little more. They both come off the same production line, and are then tested. Assuming everything else is ok they are then graded, some become 2500s, others become 2600s.

On the other hand, as production methods improve, the quality also improves. So if there are more 2600s than they can sell they will move the cut off point so that some which would previously have been classified as 2600s will now be sold as 2500s.

Like everything else, you pay your money, you take your chances. [/b][/quote]
meaning your better of getting the 2500.......

[bigdawgfoxx]

If you are spending almost 100 on CPU, like 250 on ram....and like 100 on board ur not gona have much for a graphics card..

[Twist3r]

yeah i would only get 512 ram so you can have money for your video card

[SingaBoiy]

He should get what I said

[lynx]

Originally posted by Storm+5 August 2004 - 11:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Storm @ 5 August 2004 - 11:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by lynx@5 August 2004 - 11:26

Originally posted by Storm@5 August 2004 - 11:16
<!--QuoteBegin-clocker@5 August 2004 - 10:57
Get a mobile 2600.
Multipliers are unlocked and default clock is already 2.07GHz.
what exactly is the bonus of the higher clock??? i mean, if the 2600 would run at 1.5 GHz it would still be a 2600......
Cpu&#39;s use a certain amount of power, and consequently generate a certain amount of heat. Both the 2500 and 2600 mobile Athlons are rated at 45W I believe, so the 2600 is already a step ahead of the 2500 which is why it costs a little more. They both come off the same production line, and are then tested. Assuming everything else is ok they are then graded, some become 2500s, others become 2600s.

On the other hand, as production methods improve, the quality also improves. So if there are more 2600s than they can sell they will move the cut off point so that some which would previously have been classified as 2600s will now be sold as 2500s.

Like everything else, you pay your money, you take your chances.
meaning your better of getting the 2500....... [/b][/quote]
Not necessarily.

In an overclocking situation, you may need extra cooling to get the same performance from a 2500 compared to a 2600. The cost of that extra cooling mat be more than the difference in price between the two chips. Alternatively you could possibly run the fan slower on a 2600 to achieve the same temp, silence is worth a lot to some people.

One thing to remember about both these mobile chips, the FSB is only 266MHz rather than 333MHz on the desktop chip. This is one factor in the lower power consumption and consequent heat generated, but obviously there is an associated performance hit. With the multipliers being unlocked it is common for people to raise the FSB and lower the multiplier in order to get back the "lost" performance. The obvious result is increased power consumption and associated temps.

So the options are not as clear cut as some people might think.

[Duffman]

im heavy into swg, and thats a huge ram hog, so i need the gig, i might go over 500, depends on how much i get from the various birthday cards.

[bigdawgfoxx]

If I were you I would try to save like 700, that should be enough for a NF7-S, 2500XP, 1gig of ram, and a 9800Pro

You should be able to get some good ram too

[Duffman]

well we&#39;ll see how my birthday goes, but that does sound about right.

[Tormentor]

Am I the only one thats gonna say happy birthday? Happy birthday man :)

[clocker]

I implied "Happy Birthday" in my first post when I said "Sheesh".

Didn&#39;t you pick up on that?

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by Tormentor@5 August 2004 - 22:54
Am I the only one thats gonna say happy birthday? Happy birthday man :)
It&#39;s my birthday too&#33; :(

[(>Zero Cool<)]

Originally posted by HardcoreGamer+6 August 2004 - 03:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HardcoreGamer @ 6 August 2004 - 03:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tormentor@5 August 2004 - 22:54
Am I the only one thats gonna say happy birthday? Happy birthday man :)
It&#39;s my birthday too&#33; :( [/b][/quote]
ahem....clicky (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showuser=79759), :rolleyes:




how&#39;s your oc&#39;n going? :)

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by (>Zero Cool<)+5 August 2004 - 23:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ((>Zero Cool<) @ 5 August 2004 - 23:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by HardcoreGamer@6 August 2004 - 03:11
<!--QuoteBegin-Tormentor@5 August 2004 - 22:54
Am I the only one thats gonna say happy birthday? Happy birthday man :)
It&#39;s my birthday too&#33; :(
ahem....clicky (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showuser=79759), :rolleyes:




how&#39;s your oc&#39;n going? :) [/b][/quote]
I just wanted attention&#33; :(

I overclocked my graphics card so far to 401/950 @41C with stock cooling. :) My mobo won&#39;t let my oc my cpu though. <_< And I don&#39;t want to oc my memory because I heard it&#39;s not good to do that or sumthin. Did you ever oc your comp?

[Duffman]

thank you thank you.

[clocker]

You&#39;re welcome.

Now...to get back to my adoption by your generous family....

[Duffman]

im just saying at my age i tend to get a lot for a birthday.

[Twist3r]

how old are u?

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by Twister@6 August 2004 - 01:08
how old are u?
@Twister-The girl in ur avatar has a NICE ass&#33;

[clocker]

Originally posted by Duffman3@5 August 2004 - 23:00
im just saying at my age i tend to get a lot for a birthday.
So true.

At my age all I get on my bithday is a new AARP card.

[Duffman]

hmmm, also I might add im not going for an insane overclock, all i really want is a good system to play swg with, the best gameing rig my money can buy, and if overclocking will make a difference im willing to go that route, and i have done the reasearch.

[Duffman]

also i may need a better heatsink, thoughts there?

[(>Zero Cool<)]

Originally posted by HardcoreGamer+6 August 2004 - 03:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HardcoreGamer @ 6 August 2004 - 03:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by (>Zero Cool<)@5 August 2004 - 23:41

Originally posted by HardcoreGamer@6 August 2004 - 03:11
<!--QuoteBegin-Tormentor@5 August 2004 - 22:54
Am I the only one thats gonna say happy birthday? Happy birthday man :)
It&#39;s my birthday too&#33; :(
ahem....clicky (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showuser=79759), :rolleyes:




how&#39;s your oc&#39;n going? :)
I just wanted attention&#33; :(

I overclocked my graphics card so far to 401/950 @41C with stock cooling. :) My mobo won&#39;t let my oc my cpu though. <_< And I don&#39;t want to oc my memory because I heard it&#39;s not good to do that or sumthin. Did you ever oc your comp? [/b][/quote]
:rolleyes:

we all crave a little bit of the limelight from time to time. ;)

as for my oc, i have some details in a thread in here, but in summary i got my pc uo to a p4 3.0 before it topped out. Apparently my cpu, a p4 2.6 only tend to get to 3.25 max when overclocking. Still it&#39;s a nice improvement.

Good work on your gfx card pal. ;)


Happy Birthday duffman, going by the above posts today is a big day :)
btw if you do adopt clockerdon&#39;t let him near your case :rolleyes:

[clocker]

Originally posted by (>Zero Cool<)@6 August 2004 - 00:01

btw if you do adopt clockerdon&#39;t let him near your case :rolleyes:
Now you&#39;ve hurt my feelings. :(

Every case I&#39;ve worked has shown improvement.

Right up to the minute before I trashed it.

[(>Zero Cool<)]

Originally posted by clocker+6 August 2004 - 11:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 6 August 2004 - 11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-(>Zero Cool<)@6 August 2004 - 00:01

btw if you do adopt clockerdon&#39;t let him near your case :rolleyes:
Now you&#39;ve hurt my feelings. :(

Every case I&#39;ve worked has shown improvement.

Right up to the minute before I trashed it. [/b][/quote]
I work for the rspptc (royal society of the prevention of power tools to cases ) :01: ;)