Would You

[Everose]

No. I am my worst prosecutor. ;)

[Everose]

That said, I have to add that I imagine everyone who has embezzled misleads themselves into thinking that the scenario is the same as the one you have laid out! :P

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Everose@7 August 2004 - 17:38
No. I am my worst prosecutor. ;)
I feel the same.

I'd probably inform them of their vulnerability, I've become so friggin' proper. :angry:

[Everose]

Sounds like a plan to me. ;) If we get caught, we will tell them we were just, in their best interest.......'checking for vulnerabilities!:D

[j2k4]

I've heard that used as an excuse; don't know if I could be convincing in the role. :huh:

Talk to my agent. ;)

Time for bed, I think.

[silent h3ro]

Originally posted by Mr JP Fugley@7 August 2004 - 17:27
Picture the scene.

You are able to steal $1,000,000 from a large corporation. There is no way you will be found out, in fact they will not even realise that they have lost the money. So there will be no investigation.

There will be no chance of you being caught or prosecuted by anyone, you are totally in the clear with no worries or concerns.

Would you do it, can you explain your answer please ?
I wouldent take it all at once. I would take like a couple grand every time I needed the money. :ph34r:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by HardcoreGamer+8 August 2004 - 05:20--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HardcoreGamer @ 8 August 2004 - 05:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mr JP Fugley@7 August 2004 - 17:27
Picture the scene.

You are able to steal &#036;1,000,000 from a large corporation. There is no way you will be found out, in fact they will not even realise that they have lost the money. So there will be no investigation.

There will be no chance of you being caught or prosecuted by anyone, you are totally in the clear with no worries or concerns.

Would you do it, can you explain your answer please ?
I wouldent take it all at once. I would take like a couple grand every time I needed the money. :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
May I ask why.

Do you think that would be morally more aceptable or is it a purely practical reason.

[spinningfreemanny]

I don&#39;t Think I would be able to because I would never know how foolproof the situation would be; too scared to get caught.

[spinningfreemanny]

Originally posted by Everose@8 August 2004 - 03:11
Sounds like a plan to me.&nbsp; ;)&nbsp; If we get caught, we will tell them we were just, in their best interest.......&#39;checking for vulnerabilities&#33;:D
yeah, that worked well for the guy that planted dummy bombs on a plane about a year ago, does anybody remember that?

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by spinningfreemanny@8 August 2004 - 09:34
I don&#39;t Think I would be able to because I would never know how foolproof the situation would be; too scared to get caught.
In this scenario it is 100% foolproof. You cannot be caught under any circumstances. In fact they don&#39;t even know the money is gone.

[spinningfreemanny]

I know, but even if it was 100% foolproof and I knew it; I wouldn&#39;t trust myself to know that it was a 100% sure thing.

so basically I&#39;m saying that I would sike myself out.

[DarthInsinuate]

i&#39;d take the money - if this corporation is rich enough not to miss &#036;1,000,000 then its just money sitting around, i could put it to good use like charity :01: :shifty:

[spinningfreemanny]

and maybe a little slice of ferrari ;)

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by DarthInsinuate@8 August 2004 - 10:46
i&#39;d take the money - if this corporation is rich enough not to miss &#036;1,000,000 then its just money sitting around, i could put it to good use like charity :01: :shifty:
So you feel the end would justify the means then.

[Gemby!]

i wouldn&#39;t do it

not because i am scared of getting caught or because i would feel guilty

i just dont need so much money, and seeing as its not mine and i didn&#39;t work for it why should i take whats not mine ?

[lynx]

Does the scenario imply that everyone could do this? Or is it a one time event that only you have noticed and repeat occurences (even by others) would be spotted?

If it is the former, I&#39;d say take the money and let them be damned, you won&#39;t be the only one doing it (which is no excuse) but if they&#39;ve got THAT much money they can obviously afford to finance the world and the fact that they aren&#39;t doing so is where the immorality lies.

[Gemby!]

by the way my opinion might change if my situation changed :)

[Snee]

It all really depends on the nature of the company, where the money was meant to go, and who owns the company or who stands to make a profit from leaving the money in.

I&#39;d be more inclined to steal from the profits of a tobacco company meant to go to the stockholders(don&#39;t think I&#39;d be working for them in the first place tho&#39;) than from the pension funds of a company that did research that saved millions of cancer victims, to mention two extremes.

[ziggyjuarez]

Yes i would.
Im the type of guy who is not doing all ok in money.If it dose not hurt the company and it is a good company i would take the money.
:)

[Biggles]

I would like to think I would not.





On the other hand I am an accountant. :blink:

[MagicNakor]

I would like to think I wouldn&#39;t. But I know I probably would.

I&#39;m an accountant/auditor too. ;)

:ninja:

[j2k4]

Better that than a lawyer/solicitor.

Kudos to the both of you; who knew accountants weren&#39;t terribly boring? :D

[BigBank_Hank]

I probably would do it. But being the worrywart that I am I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night knowing that I stole that much money. After a few days of worrying myself sick over the whole thing I probably admit to the whole thing even if I wasn’t questioned for it.

[tracydani]

Originally posted by spinningfreemanny@8 August 2004 - 11:36
I know, but even if it was 100% foolproof and I knew it; I wouldn&#39;t trust myself to know that it was a 100% sure thing.

so basically I&#39;m saying that I would sike myself out.
This would be me. But I&#39;d regret not doing it for the rest of my life :lol:

TD

[J'Pol]

Are some of us then of the opinion that it is OK to steal from some people but not from others.

And others of the opinin that it is OK to steal from anyone, so long as we will not be caught doing it.

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by Mr JP Fugley@7 August 2004 - 21:27
Picture the scene.

You are able to steal &#036;1,000,000 from a large corporation. There is no way you will be found out, in fact they will not even realise that they have lost the money. So there will be no investigation.

There will be no chance of you being caught or prosecuted by anyone, you are totally in the clear with no worries or concerns.

Would you do it, can you explain your answer please ?
i need the money they dont. so yes i would take it.

[Everose]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@8 August 2004 - 12:40
Are some of us then of the opinion that it is OK to steal from some people but not from others.

And others of the opinin that it is OK to steal from anyone, so long as we will not be caught doing it.
No, J&#39;Pol. To me, whatever choices I make usually have consequences. As I said, I am my own worst prosecutor. But then most of my lessons have come from experience and I know that my subconscious mind holds the things I cannot forgive myself for. I don&#39;t need it holding something as big as that. :smilie4:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Everose+8 August 2004 - 18:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Everose @ 8 August 2004 - 18:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-J&#39;Pol@8 August 2004 - 12:40
Are some of us then of the opinion that it is OK to steal from some people but not from others.

And others of the opinin that it is OK to steal from anyone, so long as we will not be caught doing it.
No, J&#39;Pol. To me, whatever choices I make usually have consequences. As I said, I am my own worst prosecutor. But then most of my lessons have come from experience and I know that my subconscious mind holds the things I cannot forgive myself for. I don&#39;t need it holding something as big as that. :smilie4: [/b][/quote]
Would you perhaps describe this as your conscience.

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+8 August 2004 - 08:29--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 8 August 2004 - 08:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by HardcoreGamer@8 August 2004 - 05:20
<!--QuoteBegin-Mr JP Fugley@7 August 2004 - 17:27
Picture the scene.

You are able to steal &#036;1,000,000 from a large corporation. There is no way you will be found out, in fact they will not even realise that they have lost the money. So there will be no investigation.

There will be no chance of you being caught or prosecuted by anyone, you are totally in the clear with no worries or concerns.

Would you do it, can you explain your answer please ?
I wouldent take it all at once. I would take like a couple grand every time I needed the money. :ph34r:
May I ask why.

Do you think that would be morally more aceptable or is it a purely practical reason. [/b][/quote]
i maybe wouldn&#39;t take that much. IRL my pc&#39;s dying my clothes are all worn or too small and my motorbike has been stolen (which is really my lifeline to the world without it i cant travel very far to work or to socialise). i&#39;m trying to get a job within local bus routes but all i&#39;m getting is rejections.

atm, i have nothing. realistically i dont know if i would take the money, but i would spend the rest of my life thinking what if. i could do with a grand or two to pick me up but. i dunno... i&#39;d never get desperate enough to take it all cos lifes pretty boring without a challenge :unsure:

[Everose]

I suppose I could, J&#39;Pol, call it my conscience.

What I do know for sure is it is that part of my mind that is buried very deeply under my conscious, logical, reasoning mind. And it doesn&#39;t matter how I rationalize with my conscious mind, make excuses for my behaviours, etc.....the part that I call my subconscious mind is watching and remembering. And I also know that what we hold in that subconscious mind, if kept in and not dealt with will eventually find it&#39;s way out, whether it be physically or what.

I guess conscience is a good word for it. I know parents guide and teach their children to have a good and moral conscience. But I somehow feel it is already there, within each of us. We learn and sort.

I also know that one of the worst things that lay in my conscience is when I judge others. I haven&#39;t found the words to explain this yet, but I know it. Eveyone has within them their own judge. That is enough. ;)

[MicroScreen2]

i found £250 in a rosebush on my paper-round and handed it in. tight SoB didnt even give me a christmas tip :angry:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Everose@8 August 2004 - 19:27
I suppose I could, J&#39;Pol, call it my conscience.

What I do know for sure is it is that part of my mind that is buried very deeply under my conscious, logical, reasoning mind. And it doesn&#39;t matter how I rationalize with my conscious mind, make excuses for my behaviours, etc.....the part that I call my subconscious mind is watching and remembering. And I also know that what we hold in that subconscious mind, if kept in and not dealt with will eventually find it&#39;s way out, whether it be physically or what.

I guess conscience is a good word for it. I know parents guide and teach their children to have a good and moral conscience. But I somehow feel it is already there, within each of us. We learn and sort.

I also know that one of the worst things that lay in my conscience is when I judge others. I haven&#39;t found the words to explain this yet, but I know it. Eveyone has within them their own judge. That is enough. ;)
Nice post, thanks for that.

[Biggles]

Having thought about this and unfortunately knowing myself, probably not but I would like to think I might. :blink:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Biggles@8 August 2004 - 21:29
Having thought about this and unfortunately knowing myself, probably not but I would like to think I might. :blink:
You wouldn&#39;t and you know it.

[Biggles]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+8 August 2004 - 20:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 8 August 2004 - 20:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Biggles@8 August 2004 - 21:29
Having thought about this and unfortunately knowing myself, probably not but I would like to think I might.&nbsp; :blink:
You wouldn&#39;t and you know it. [/b][/quote]
:(

A man can dream damn it&#33;

[spinningfreemanny]

Originally posted by Everose@8 August 2004 - 18:27
I guess conscience is a good word for it.&nbsp; I know parents guide and teach their children to have a good and moral conscience.&nbsp; But I somehow feel it is already there, within each of us.&nbsp; We learn and sort.
Some people through history have effectively turned their subconscience off.

Do you think that they can convince themselves that it&#39;s a good thing to kill millions?

Personally, I&#39;m not so trusting of the human psyche. :unsure:

[Everose]

Originally posted by spinningfreemanny+9 August 2004 - 05:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spinningfreemanny &#064; 9 August 2004 - 05:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Everose@8 August 2004 - 18:27
I guess conscience is a good word for it. I know parents guide and teach their children to have a good and moral conscience. But I somehow feel it is already there, within each of us. We learn and sort.
Some people through history have effectively turned their subconscience off.

Do you think that they can convince themselves that it&#39;s a good thing to kill millions?

Personally, I&#39;m not so trusting of the human psyche. :unsure:[/b][/quote]
Good question. We know so little about the human brain. I was watching a program the other night about spree killers. They have done a lot of testing and have picked up unusual brain activity in the back of the brain in people that kill. I wish I had caught the name of the Dr. who had done this testing, as I would like to learn more about it....what part of the brain, etc.

I have been watching with interest the effects of so called miracle drugs on serotonin levels, etc. People becoming violent or committing suicide after being put on SSRI&#39;s. Bears watching. Sad that there will be a lot of victims before it is even understood how these drugs work on the brain.

But enough of that, Manny. To me there is a difference between the subconscious mind and the conscience. I think of the conscience as a guide. The subconscious mind you can&#39;t rationalize with like you can your conscience. To me the conscience mind is a guide, but the subconscious mind keeps track. ;)

Hopefully someday we will know a lot more about the human brain. What goes wrong at times. Right now we have barely touched the surface.

[spinningfreemanny]

Lol, true; I don&#39;t think we&#39;ll understand the brain in our lifetime. Apparently you got one of the good ones. B)

[RGX]

Depends on the nature of the company.

And yes, sometimes, with the use of good judgement, the end can justify the means.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by RGX@10 August 2004 - 15:11
Depends on the nature of the company.

And yes, sometimes, with the use of good judgement, the end can justify the means.
The justification would be based on one&#39;s own judgement tho&#39;.

Surely by the very subjectivity of that any decision on right / wrong would be suspect at best.

[Skillian]

Such strong moral fibre on the board. :)

I&#39;m not gonna even pretend - a million, risk free? Yeah, I&#39;ll have some of that please. There would be some moral objection in my mind but not enough to miss out on an opportunity like that.

[spinningfreemanny]

Originally posted by Skillian@10 August 2004 - 19:33
Such strong moral fibre on the board. :)
Yeah I wouldn&#39;t believe everything you read here.

In fact I can&#39;t even believe myself; a million is a lot of money. I think I could swallow my guilt for that.
I don&#39;t think anyone knows for sure until there in that situation.

[Skillian]

I know for sure :P