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cpt_azad

08-09-2004, 03:37 AM

k, after so fuckin long i'm finally building my new rig (to handle doom3, hl2 and future games in all of it's glory). here's wat i'm ordering, suggest other parts please:

Ordering:

MEMOERY: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-220-010&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-220-010&depa=1) DUAL CHANNEL 2x1GB (2 gb total) RAM PDP SYSTEMS ordering in 1 week or if i feel like it, when i've got all the parts listed (gotta save those pennies :D )

MOBO: Suggest a good one that goes with the ram listed above
(184 pin of course) and also, has to be 8xAGP

PROCESSOR/CPU: Suggest something that's easily OCable and fast, i was thinking intel pentium EE HTT ones say 3.2 ghz or higher, i don't want AMD's because up to date i thought AMD 3000+ was 3 ghz only to find out it wasn't even 2.6 :blink: , i need something above 3 ghz atleast, suggestions needed

HARD DRIVE: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-145-048&DEPA=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=22-145-048&DEPA=1) 250 GB HITACHI HDD 7200 RPM, definately need the space, now i'm not a tech guy but can i get 2 of these? or will there be complications (like i said i'm a n00b, will i have enough IDE cables, and wtf is RAID :blink: ? and if i get 2 of these will i have to set it up in a RAID format, like i said, no idea on HDD and how they work, no idea wat RAID is either)

CASE: now, i need something that is nice looking and has enough a PSU (is 420W enough? i'm thinking of getting a high end vid card as well so that could be a huge factor), this one i found is 420W and has 7 FREAKING FANS :o :
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-133-107&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-133-107&depa=1)

HEATSINK/COOLING: i want my new rig to be as cool as possible, literally, now i have no idea wat a heaksink does but all i know is it's important (is it that thing that's attached to the processor chip and on top of my fx5200??) please suggest something unless heatsink already comes wit the CPU/PROCESSOR

CD/DVD DRIVES: already have a cdrw and a dvdrw at home

MONITOR: suggest a good flat screen 21" atleast, can't seem to find one on newegg only LCD's :blink:

VIDEO CARD: ahh yes, now wat to do? should i just grab the 6800 GT or wait for the 512mb to hit the market? here's the link (6800), i'm willing to pay: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-122-195&DEPA=0 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=14-122-195&DEPA=0) oh , and is this wat a heat sink is? cuz this is freakin huge
:o :blink: :o : http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?im...-122-195-05.JPG (http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=14-122-195-01.JPG/14-122-195-02.JPG/14-122-195-03.JPG/14-122-195-04.JPG/14-122-195-05.JPG)

SOUND CARD: anything good 5.1 channel atleast

am i forgetting something? please give me other suggestions for these parts like better parts and stuff, except for the ram, i kinda made my mind up on that. help a guy out, my budget is 4200 dollars, and an additional 600 dollars in 2 weeks :) thanks to all for suggestion, remember, this is supposed to be a gaming rig :01:

edit: i'm an idiot, added a sound card :rolleyes: , am i missing something? pls do tell!

Twist3r

08-09-2004, 03:47 AM

if you get a good enough mobo you wont need a 5.1 channel sound card ;)

for prossesor i would go AMD, they overclock good and there cheaper :)

edit the AMD athlon XP 3000+ is suppost to be equal in speeds to a Intell 3.0 ghz
im not sure how that works but thats what i read some were :blink:

tesco

08-09-2004, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by Twister@8 August 2004 - 22:48
if you get a good enough mobo you wont need a 5.1 channel sound card ;)

for prossesor i would go AMD, they overclock good and there cheaper :)

edit the AMD athlon XP 3000+ is suppost to be equal in speeds to a Intell 3.0 ghz
im not sure how that works but thats what i read some were :blink:
ya supposed to be, it's close, but not quite there...i'd say the 3200+ is same as 3.0ghz p4. ;)

but only way you'll see difference anyway is in benchmarks.

how about a athlon xp 2500+, oc it to 3200+ speeds (very easy...buy some arctic silver 5).

ricochet

08-09-2004, 04:00 AM

I reccommend tying down that heat sink on the 6800. It might take off with P.C. :P

I wont do a RAID 0 hard drive config again.... I might do a RAID 1 tho...

cpt_azad

08-09-2004, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by ricochet@8 August 2004 - 20:01
I reccommend tying down that heat sink on the 6800. It might take off with P.C. :P

I wont do a RAID 0 hard drive config again.... I might do a RAID 1 tho...
just read ur thread :o , definately going with a raid 1. so i'm prob. gonna end up buying 2 of those 250gb, so doesn't matter which one is the master and which one is the slave (they're bought the same HDD). as for AMD, i did hear somewhere they are very easily Overclocable, is it possible to OC say a amd athlon XP 3000+ to speeds of 3.4 or maybe 3.6 ghz? that'd be freakin sweet, and i've already ordered the 6800 GT (my dad's the best :D ). the ram will be here shortly as well. anymore suggestions?

(>Zero Cool<)

08-09-2004, 04:25 AM

:) hi, ok re your hard rives, I am no expert but as far as I know you will be cool with two of them , really depends upon how many sata connectors your moboard has. Most boards have two ide connectors each cabe running off these splits into two giving you a total of four devices connected. Ide stuff would include your optical drives i.e cd/dvd etc. there is a preferrabe way to set them up as I believe that with both hds on the one main cable it takes longer to transfer but you can crossd that bridge when you come to it, it isn't a major issue.

Ok dunno if you got all this but here is my setup which may make things clearer.

I have an abit ic7 max 3 mobo. In ide slot 1 I have a cd drive and a hd. In slot two I have a dvd drive and another hd. My board has six sata connectors so I could add another six hd I have one at the mo so I have five slots free. you cannot connect optical drives to sata connectors so you may wish to have all your hd connected to sata leaving your ide cables for optical drives. depends on your setup. sata is supposed to be a little faster than ide I think, but not a great deal in it at the mo. remember you will need a big case to hold multiple drives and still be able to be keep cool.

as for your ram would you not be better to get less ram at faster speeds as even a slight overclock would max out your ram. this is a great article about my moboard but worth a read re ram speeds etc.click (http://www.jscustomcomputers.com/overclocking.htm) it basically says your chosen ram would be a bad idea if you plan on oc'n a lot.

hope this helps you a bit

ps dunno much about raid sorry, cept ants don't like it , oh nd re sata I don't think they have master and slave settings all the same

silent h3ro

08-09-2004, 04:31 AM

Maybe you should wait a little longer for 64 bit win XP (which should be out soon)then the chip prices will lower and get a 64 bit cpu. Thats what i'm doing anyway...

cpt_azad

08-09-2004, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by HardcoreGamer@8 August 2004 - 20:32
Maybe you should wait a little longer for 64 bit win XP (which should be out soon)then the chip prices will lower and get a 64 bit cpu. Thats what i'm doing anyway...
hmmm, u have a good point. and zero cool is also right, i can cancel the ram order, wat's a good company that makes ram that's not to hard on OCing, i want it to be dual channel and atleast 2 gbs (i wanted 4gb, but then realized wtf was i thinking). nice read there zero cool, i guess i can attach the 2 HDD by sata leaving the ide for the optical drives. but then how do i use a master/slave config with sata? any good mobo suggestions? i looked at ur's zero and i'm kinda iffy, nforce seems to be a good brand as well asus.

(>Zero Cool<)

08-09-2004, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by cpt_azad+9 August 2004 - 07:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cpt_azad @ 9 August 2004 - 07:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-HardcoreGamer@8 August 2004 - 20:32
Maybe you should wait a little longer for 64 bit win XP (which should be out soon)then the chip prices will lower and get a 64 bit cpu. Thats what i'm doing anyway...
hmmm, u have a good point. and zero cool is also right, i can cancel the ram order, wat's a good company that makes ram that's not to hard on OCing, i want it to be dual channel and atleast 2 gbs (i wanted 4gb, but then realized wtf was i thinking). nice read there zero cool, i guess i can attach the 2 HDD by sata leaving the ide for the optical drives. but then how do i use a master/slave config with sata? any good mobo suggestions? i looked at ur's zero and i'm kinda iffy, nforce seems to be a good brand as well asus. [/b][/quote]
Hi

re ram, do you really need 2 gb? corsair ram is very good but expensive , ook here you know how to work it (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=75896) :)

As for the sata you don't set master slave you just plug em in, no settings needed :)

As for mobo, I like mine but there are a few good ones out there, my advice is to check review sites. Rember to make sure the board is suitable for your chip and poss for future chips. I use the onboard sound which is fine on mine which will keep me going till I win the lotteryI

(>Zero Cool<)

08-09-2004, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by cpt_azad@9 August 2004 - 03:38
k, after so fuckin long i'm finally building my new rig (to handle doom3, hl2 and future games in all of it's glory). here's wat i'm ordering, suggest other parts please:

Ordering:

MEMOERY: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-220-010&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-220-010&depa=1) DUAL CHANNEL 2x1GB (2 gb total) RAM PDP SYSTEMS ordering in 1 week or if i feel like it, when i've got all the parts listed (gotta save those pennies :D )

MOBO: Suggest a good one that goes with the ram listed above
(184 pin of course) and also, has to be 8xAGP

PROCESSOR/CPU: Suggest something that's easily OCable and fast, i was thinking intel pentium EE HTT ones say 3.2 ghz or higher, i don't want AMD's because up to date i thought AMD 3000+ was 3 ghz only to find out it wasn't even 2.6 :blink: , i need something above 3 ghz atleast, suggestions needed

HARD DRIVE: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-145-048&DEPA=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=22-145-048&DEPA=1) 250 GB HITACHI HDD 7200 RPM, definately need the space, now i'm not a tech guy but can i get 2 of these? or will there be complications (like i said i'm a n00b, will i have enough IDE cables, and wtf is RAID :blink: ? and if i get 2 of these will i have to set it up in a RAID format, like i said, no idea on HDD and how they work, no idea wat RAID is either)

CASE: now, i need something that is nice looking and has enough a PSU (is 420W enough? i'm thinking of getting a high end vid card as well so that could be a huge factor), this one i found is 420W and has 7 FREAKING FANS :o :
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-133-107&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-133-107&depa=1)

HEATSINK/COOLING: i want my new rig to be as cool as possible, literally, now i have no idea wat a heaksink does but all i know is it's important (is it that thing that's attached to the processor chip and on top of my fx5200??) please suggest something unless heatsink already comes wit the CPU/PROCESSOR

CD/DVD DRIVES: already have a cdrw and a dvdrw at home

MONITOR: suggest a good flat screen 21" atleast, can't seem to find one on newegg only LCD's :blink:

VIDEO CARD: ahh yes, now wat to do? should i just grab the 6800 GT or wait for the 512mb to hit the market? here's the link (6800), i'm willing to pay: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-122-195&DEPA=0 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=14-122-195&DEPA=0) oh , and is this wat a heat sink is? cuz this is freakin huge
:o :blink: :o : http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?im...-122-195-05.JPG (http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=14-122-195-01.JPG/14-122-195-02.JPG/14-122-195-03.JPG/14-122-195-04.JPG/14-122-195-05.JPG)

SOUND CARD: anything good 5.1 channel atleast

am i forgetting something? please give me other suggestions for these parts like better parts and stuff, except for the ram, i kinda made my mind up on that. help a guy out, my budget is 4200 dollars, and an additional 600 dollars in 2 weeks :) thanks to all for suggestion, remember, this is supposed to be a gaming rig :01:

edit: i'm an idiot, added a sound card :rolleyes: , am i missing something? pls do tell!
:) ok

you are gonna need a good power supply to keep all your stuff going.

as for cooling heatsinks are very important if you are gonna overclock. overclocking causes your cpu/gfx to run hotter, heat is not good so you wanna keep things as cool as poss. The heatsink is the piece of metal normally copper or suchlike that sits on the top of your cpu, your gfx card and your chipset and conducts heat away. There is a fan attached to the top of the heatsink to cool thing down, ridiculously I can't remember if it blows the hot air away or blows cold aif on to the chip :frusty:

It is very important to get a good cooler if you are gonna oc a lot.

re your case make sure it has good ventalation and plenty of space for cool air to move around for the same reasons.

You might wanna get some cable tidys to keep the cables nice and neat to again allow good airflow.

Oh btw not all sata drives come with cables so make sure you have these.
My board came with ide cables, sata power cables and data transfer cables but this is not allways the case.

ok If I think of anything else I will post back.

edit also be careful some heatsinks will be very big, just saw the one on your gfx, so remember that they have to fit inyour setup, your gfx card will prob take up two expansion slots due to the heatsink, as in it is so big you couldn't fit another card next to it. also remember that may want to upgrade later...much later....so allow specs that cater for this. oh and canI come and play at your house ;)

edit 2. remember when buying a cpu that the top end chips won't overclock as much as the lower end ones as they are already near their max, some cpus oc better than others, again check this out. you could save money by buying a lower chip and oc n it. e'g I have a two point six p four running at three but it was obviously cheaper than a three gig one at the time I bought it. check reviews and forums for better info. eg my cpu tops out at three point two five whatever you do

cpt_azad

08-09-2004, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by (>Zero Cool<)+8 August 2004 - 23:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ((>Zero Cool<) @ 8 August 2004 - 23:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cpt_azad@9 August 2004 - 03:38
k, after so fuckin long i'm finally building my new rig (to handle doom3, hl2 and future games in all of it's glory). here's wat i'm ordering, suggest other parts please:

Ordering:

MEMOERY: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-220-010&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-220-010&depa=1) DUAL CHANNEL 2x1GB (2 gb total) RAM PDP SYSTEMS ordering in 1 week or if i feel like it, when i've got all the parts listed (gotta save those pennies :D )

MOBO: Suggest a good one that goes with the ram listed above
(184 pin of course) and also, has to be 8xAGP

PROCESSOR/CPU: Suggest something that's easily OCable and fast, i was thinking intel pentium EE HTT ones say 3.2 ghz or higher, i don't want AMD's because up to date i thought AMD 3000+ was 3 ghz only to find out it wasn't even 2.6 :blink: , i need something above 3 ghz atleast, suggestions needed

HARD DRIVE: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-145-048&DEPA=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=22-145-048&DEPA=1) 250 GB HITACHI HDD 7200 RPM, definately need the space, now i'm not a tech guy but can i get 2 of these? or will there be complications (like i said i'm a n00b, will i have enough IDE cables, and wtf is RAID :blink: ? and if i get 2 of these will i have to set it up in a RAID format, like i said, no idea on HDD and how they work, no idea wat RAID is either)

CASE: now, i need something that is nice looking and has enough a PSU (is 420W enough? i'm thinking of getting a high end vid card as well so that could be a huge factor), this one i found is 420W and has 7 FREAKING FANS :o :
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-133-107&depa=1 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-133-107&depa=1)

HEATSINK/COOLING: i want my new rig to be as cool as possible, literally, now i have no idea wat a heaksink does but all i know is it's important (is it that thing that's attached to the processor chip and on top of my fx5200??) please suggest something unless heatsink already comes wit the CPU/PROCESSOR

CD/DVD DRIVES: already have a cdrw and a dvdrw at home

MONITOR: suggest a good flat screen 21" atleast, can't seem to find one on newegg only LCD's :blink:

VIDEO CARD: ahh yes, now wat to do? should i just grab the 6800 GT or wait for the 512mb to hit the market? here's the link (6800), i'm willing to pay: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc....-122-195&DEPA=0 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=14-122-195&DEPA=0) oh , and is this wat a heat sink is? cuz this is freakin huge
:o :blink: :o : http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?im...-122-195-05.JPG (http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=14-122-195-01.JPG/14-122-195-02.JPG/14-122-195-03.JPG/14-122-195-04.JPG/14-122-195-05.JPG)

SOUND CARD: anything good 5.1 channel atleast

am i forgetting something? please give me other suggestions for these parts like better parts and stuff, except for the ram, i kinda made my mind up on that. help a guy out, my budget is 4200 dollars, and an additional 600 dollars in 2 weeks :) thanks to all for suggestion, remember, this is supposed to be a gaming rig :01:

edit: i'm an idiot, added a sound card :rolleyes: , am i missing something? pls do tell!
:) ok

you are gonna need a good power supply to keep all your stuff going.

as for cooling heatsinks are very important if you are gonna overclock. overclocking causes your cpu/gfx to run hotter, heat is not good so you wanna keep things as cool as poss. The heatsink is the piece of metal normally copper or suchlike that sits on the top of your cpu, your gfx card and your chipset and conducts heat away. There is a fan attached to the top of the heatsink to cool thing down, ridiculously I can't remember if it blows the hot air away or blows cold aif on to the chip :frusty:

It is very important to get a good cooler if you are gonna oc a lot.

re your case make sure it has good ventalation and plenty of space for cool air to move around for the same reasons.

You might wanna get some cable tidys to keep the cables nice and neat to again allow good airflow.

Oh btw not all sata drives come with cables so make sure you have these.
My board came with ide cables, sata power cables and data transfer cables but this is not allways the case.

ok If I think of anything else I will post back.

edit also be careful some heatsinks will be very big, just saw the one on your gfx, so remember that they have to fit inyour setup, your gfx card will prob take up two expansion slots due to the heatsink, as in it is so big you couldn't fit another card next to it. also remember that may want to upgrade later...much later....so allow specs that cater for this. oh and canI come and play at your house ;)

edit 2. remember when buying a cpu that the top end chips won't overclock as much as the lower end ones as they are already near their max, some cpus oc better than others, again check this out. you could save money by buying a lower chip and oc n it. e'g I have a two point six p four running at three but it was obviously cheaper than a three gig one at the time I bought it. check reviews and forums for better info. eg my cpu tops out at three point two five whatever you do [/b][/quote]
excellent points, i didn't even think of these

ur rite, i'll probably buy an AMD athlon XP 3000+ or 3200+ and OC from there, as for cooling the case is pretty big (lots of space) and comes with 420W PSU and 7 fans (80mm), i will be getting more rest assured. as for the video card heatsink, i'm installing that in the AGP and the sound card is going in the PCI slot of the mobo (and nowadays if im correct, mobos have atleast 2 PCI slots BELOW the AGP slot). as for ram, yes, i really do want 2 gbs, but i will look into it, i just cancelled my order for the ram. the harddrives have been ordered as well as the vid card. also ordered some fans, i'm still looking into a good CPU (like i said AMD athlon XP 3000+-3200+) and RAM. sound card i'll have to see about. also looking at some good mobo's at the moment, haven't found one i like but i have almost 30 pages to sift thru so no worries as of yet, thank you guys for all your help. keep em coming! :)

EDIT: zero cool, no such thing as theltake.com i'm at thetake.com like i said in the other PM but nothing about computers tho :helpsmile: :blink: ur INBOX is full so i can't PM ya :helpsmile:

(>Zero Cool<)

08-09-2004, 08:20 AM

just to ask but why are you buying fans? :unsure:

oops srry typo I meant thermaltake.com, heres the link

clicky click (http://www.thermaltake.com/case01.htm)

the new tsunami looks nice :P

(>Zero Cool<)

08-09-2004, 08:26 AM

oh and remember and get some good thermal paste...goo that goes between your chips and heatsinks :P

oh yeah and speakers might be a good idea, orand headphones if you live in a busy household

heres a review of your gfx, very nice, but as I suggested it takes up a pci slot too.

clixck (http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?pageID=844&Submit=Go&cID=660)

clocker

08-09-2004, 09:22 AM

Capt.,

Yes, the TT case comes with seven fans...seven pathetic fans.
Very low output 80mm spinney things, lots of show, very little GO!.
I wouldn't trust the PSU, either.

For a case I would recommend the CoolerMaster Stacker, (http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/case_cool/coolermaster/cases/stct01/) as it has provision for 120mm fans.

HDD: In a perfect world you would have a WD Raptor ( either size) for your system drive and a Seagate ( as big as you need) for storage. No need to screw with RAID arrays for home use.

Over 1GB of RAM is total overkill IMO, but it's your money, go nutz if you like.

nForce is not a brand of board, it is the chipset...I have had two nForce 2 based boards, Asus and ABIT, and recommend either.
Personal favorite at the moment is the ABIT NF7-S, but that requires an AMD chip.
Both boards have excellent onboard sound also as well as SATA support.

(>Zero Cool<)

08-09-2004, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by clocker@9 August 2004 - 09:23
Capt.,

Yes, the TT case comes with seven fans...seven pathetic fans.
Very low output 80mm spinney things, lots of show, very little GO!.
I wouldn't trust the PSU, either.

For a case I would recommend the CoolerMaster Stacker, (http://www.viperlair.com/reviews/case_cool/coolermaster/cases/stct01/) as it has provision for 120mm fans.

HDD: In a perfect world you would have a WD Raptor ( either size) for your system drive and a Seagate ( as big as you need) for storage. No need to screw with RAID arrays for home use.

Over 1GB of RAM is total overkill IMO, but it's your money, go nutz if you like.

nForce is not a brand of board, it is the chipset...I have had two nForce 2 based boards, Asus and ABIT, and recommend either.
Personal favorite at the moment is the ABIT NF7-S, but that requires an AMD chip.
Both boards have excellent onboard sound also as well as SATA support.
hiya clocker, I wondered why you had slated the tt case, I never thought about the fans, can they be replaced with better ones? :unsure:

btw you will notice that most of the info I passed on I learned over in the other forum, makes me sound as if I know what I am talking about.............well almost :rolleyes:

bigdawgfoxx

08-09-2004, 10:34 AM

I would buy a 2500XP with an Abit NF7-S. Save you a lot of money and overclock easily to 3200XP speeds, which is about a 3.0Ghz P4. Dont judge CPUs just by their Ghz rating.

clocker

08-09-2004, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by (>Zero Cool<)@9 August 2004 - 03:42

hiya clocker, I wondered why you had slated the tt case, I never thought about the fans, can they be replaced with better ones? :unsure:

Sure, they can be replaced, but why mess with 80mm fans at all?
The two sidepanel fans are especially useless as there is only minimal access to the outside air and trying to cut the acrylic window can be a bitch.

As you know, I have absolutely no qualms about hacking away at my cases, but found the TT to be a poor platform to begin with.
Many of the features they tout ( and use to justify the high price) are completely useless and you'll end up trying to work around them, if not figuring out how to remove them altogether.

Keikan

08-09-2004, 12:14 PM

overclock easily to 3200XP speeds

*results may vary

Spicker

08-09-2004, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Keikan@9 August 2004 - 13:15

overclock easily to 3200XP speeds

*results may vary
LOL

keikan :lol:

i overclocked the pc i was building 2500+ to 3200+ and yes i did increase the vcore....

and the temps were great :rolleyes: maximum it went under prime95 was 53C :D

but then i underclocked it to 2800+ because its for home use and they dont Benchmark like we do :lol:

Twist3r

08-09-2004, 03:11 PM

if I were you i would buy:

athlon xp 2500 (overclock to 3200 speeds)
512 ram
and get a X800 with the money you saved from ram and CPU

you can always get another stick of 512 ram so u can run in dual channel after you buy your video card and such

1 gig of ram is MORE then enough 2 gb is way overkill
4 gb is pointless IMO
:D

Snee

08-09-2004, 03:20 PM

Why ponce about with an xp processor?

Why not go for an athlon 64?

A regular xp processor, say a 3000+ one is only really on par with a new 3.0 pentium when it comes to open gl apps and such, granted that's probably what you'll be running the most.

Otherwise it's somewhere between a P4 and a Celeron performance-wise.

Now, if you want the fastest, and can afford a P4 EE, you should be able to get an Athlon 64.

Those beat the P4's with a margin.

Oh, you can notice a gain in recent stuff like Doom 3 with using a lot of RAM. And it's future proof.

Development is hardly gonna stop with one gig ram machines.

racer II

08-09-2004, 03:27 PM

yeah i also recommend the coolermaster stacker case , it has lots of room.
Lots of place for 12cm fans.
And if you want to go water cooling in the future , you dont have to worry about the space you got. its HUGE!
And you can transform it in to a btx case :D

Only thing i dont like about my case is that alot of dust gets stuck in the front "grills".
But i do need to vacuum my room more often. :ph34r:

RGX

08-09-2004, 03:31 PM

Doom 3 at peak has been known to push RAM usage to 1.1 gigs.]

2 gigs is relativley futureproof, as the S-man says.

cpt_azad

08-10-2004, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by RGX@9 August 2004 - 07:32
Doom 3 at peak has been known to push RAM usage to 1.1 gigs.]

2 gigs is relativley futureproof, as the S-man says.
that's why i'm getting 2gb dual channel, i don't want to get em later down the road or everytime a new game comes out :) , as for the mobo that clocker said, i'm very interested in Asus, i'm gonna give it a look soon. now the case, i never knew that 80mm was weak :o , 120mm sounds reassuring but as someone stated, i would want to go to watercooling later down the road so the coolmaster case sounds like a good option. the processor, now i really really really need ur input on this guys. 64 bit AMD? or an AMD athlon XP 2800+ (2500+ is also an option at the moment)? when do u think the 64 bit OS will be hitting the market? if im going to buy a 64 bit processor, i want to use it to it's full extent, so really guys, i need ur input on the processor choice :)

Livy

08-10-2004, 12:41 AM

there is already a preview edition of xp for amd 64bit systems, but there are plenty linux 64bit distro's

cpt_azad

08-10-2004, 07:12 AM

i'm more of a windows guy, u know the type that obeys orders that bill gates shouts at us all day :) linux, well who am i kidding, i only have some limited experience with linux and unix alike. just how to install and setup a server, come to think of it, i already forgot half the process :( all i really remember is cfdisk to reformat the hdd? never mind. anymore input on the cpu?

clocker

08-10-2004, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by cpt_azad@9 August 2004 - 18:21
when do u think the 64 bit OS will be hitting the market? if im going to buy a 64 bit processor, i want to use it to it's full extent, so really guys, i need ur input on the processor choice :)
I think it's going to be at least two years before a 64-bit CPU will make much sense. Even after the 64-bit OS is released (2006?) it will take a while for all the other software that utilizes it to be released.

By then you'll have a much better idea of which tech you want to invest in- PCI Express, BTX form factor, DDR2 RAM, etc.

Snee

08-10-2004, 12:07 PM

But the 64 bit processors are still the overall fastest ones on the market currently.

And that's with regular 32-bit apps.

I've seen them outclass P4's in a couple of tests.

FlyingDutchman

08-10-2004, 12:46 PM

cpt_azad

08-10-2004, 03:44 PM

obviously i'm only looking at mobo's that support this kinda ram ;) strange ppl indeed