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{SHELL%SHOCKED}
08-14-2004, 03:58 PM
Where's the disaster aid offer from the international community ??

Hurricane Charley Devastates Western Florida


Aug 14, 6:20 AM (ET)

By Marc Serota
PORT CHARLOTTE, Fla. (Reuters) - Hurricane Charley leveled houses and snapped trees in half as it raged into the western Florida coast, leaving 1 million people without power and an expected billion-dollar price tag before moving into the Atlantic Saturday.

A hurricane warning extended from Georgia to the North Carolina-Virginia state line as Charley churned through the ocean, the U.S. National Hurricane Center said. It was expected to reach the South Carolina coast later in the day.

Packing winds of 145 mph (233 kph), Charlie was a powerful Category 4 storm when came ashore Friday at Punta Gorda and Port Charlotte, catching many residents unprepared because of expectations the brunt of the hurricane would hit the coast much farther north.

"I never seen anything like this before," said Victor Rivera as he stood on top of a pile of rubble that used to be the car parts shop where he worked in Port Charlotte.

The storm plowed across central Florida, weakening as it dumped heavy rains on Orlando, home to Disney World, and aimed for the Atlantic. Charley was expected to regain some strength over the water before crossing back onto land in the Carolinas and proceeding through to the north as a tropical storm.

In its wake, overturned boats sat in front of shredded storefronts, power lines dangled in standing water, street signs and billboards were ripped away and palm tree trunks, snapped in half like matchsticks, were wrapped with twisted metal.

Few windows had been boarded up, and most were blown out. Mobile home parks were devastated and 18-wheel tractor-trailers flipped over like toys.

On exclusive Captiva Island, offshore from Punta Gorda, 160 condominiums were totally destroyed and a similar number seriously damaged, the National Weather Service said.

The storm ripped the roof off an emergency shelter in DeSoto County, exposing the thousand people who had sought refuge within to pounding rain and ferocious winds, the service said.

ASSESSING THE DAMAGE

Florida Power & Light said 429,000 customers were left without electricity. Progress Energy Florida said 477,000 people were sitting in the dark.

"This storm has caused a tremendous amount of destruction," said a Progress company spokesman.

The state emergency management agency said it was too early to put a figure on the damages, or to estimate casualties.

But a catastrophic risk management group, Risk Management Solutions, estimated Charley could have inflicted up to $15 billion of insured damage.

President Bush declared Florida a disaster area to speed emergency assistance.

Forecasters had expected Charley to hit the densely populated Tampa area north of Port Charlotte and nearly 2 million people were ordered to evacuate.

But the storm suddenly gathered intensity as it headed for land and made a last-minute turn that brought it ashore farther south, catching off guard many who had ignored evacuation orders because they thought they were safe.

By 5 a.m. (0600 GMT), Charley was about 115 milessouthwest of Charleston, South Carolina, near latitude 31.

By 5 a.m. (0600 GMT), Charley was about 115 milessouthwest of Charleston, South Carolina, near latitude 31. 2north and longitude 80.5 west, and its winds had reduced to 85mph (138 kph). It was moving north-northeast at 25 mph (40 kph)and packing winds of up to 85 mph (136 kph). One storm-related death had been confirmed in Florida byFrida y night. A tractor trailer truck, possibly pushed by agust of wind, crossed a highway median and fell on top of a carn ear Orlando, killing a child passenger in the car. Charley was blamed for four deaths in Cuba and one inJamaica aft er it formed in the Caribbean Tuesday. As a Category 4 storm -- the second strongest on a scaleused to rate hurr icanes -- Charley rated as one of the mostdangerous storms to hit Florida. Hurricane Andrew was believed to be a Ca tegory 4 storm whenit hit Miami in August 1992, causing $25 billion in damage. Itwas subsequently upgraded to a Catego ry 5. Hurricane Hugo,which caused $7 billion in damage when it hit South Carolina in1989, was also a Category 4.

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we don't need your stinking aid anyways

BigBank_Hank
08-14-2004, 04:27 PM
My thoughts and prayers go out to the families that have lost loved ones during this terrible storm.

I know exactly what it is to be in the path of one of these things and it’s a very scary feeling. 2 years ago we took a direct hit from a category 2 hurricane and it was unbelievable. We were without power for a week and without running water for 3 days. Luckily our house didn’t sustain any damage but there were many of our neighbors who weren’t so lucky.

You really have to experience something like this for yourself to understand just how powerful these things are. A lot of people that stayed during the last storm swear that they will never stay again.

j2k4
08-14-2004, 06:11 PM
I'm sure Michael Moore is already exploring a movie treatment accusing Bush of co-opting Mother Nature and arranging this disaster so that he could reap the vote for having provided immediate (but shoddy, cheap and stinting) government help.

Or some such thing. ;)

My thoughts are with the families affected. :(

Skillian
08-14-2004, 06:54 PM
This is a strange thread. Already Michael Moore and the entire international community have been insulted. :huh:

j2k4
08-14-2004, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Skillian@14 August 2004 - 13:55
This is a strange thread. Already Michael Moore and the entire international community have been insulted. :huh:
We are Americans; it is our lot in life. :(

The "International Community" is Mr. Moore's lot.

Biggles
08-14-2004, 07:46 PM
:huh: Not entirely sure of the purpose of this thread.

However, if I may, I would like to take the opportunity to register my sympathy for those who have lost loved ones.

Insurance companies rebuild houses beautifully, rebuilding hearts is trickier.

vidcc
08-14-2004, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by {SHELL%SHOCKED}@14 August 2004 - 09:59
Where's the disaster aid offer from the international community ??


we don't need your stinking aid anyways
if that's the case what is the point of your post?

Rat Faced
08-14-2004, 08:41 PM
My sympathies with anyone affected... and I hope RPerry gets back online soon, so i know hes OK ;)

I think Shell%Shocked doesnt understand the nature of International Aid... It is from Rich Countries to Poor Countries and is for development.

I think he means Emergency Aid.. this is available to any country that requires it, however it is again aimed at Poor Countries that would have trouble effecting a recovery quick enough to save lives; either because of lack of equipment, money or food/medical supplies.

As the US has about 30% of the whole worlds GDP, I very much doubt whether the USA would wish to have any.... rather like a multimillionaire trying to claim food vouchers.

You will find that there is Aid going into the carribean, including from the USA.

As always, if there are things others can help with then that help is freely available (eg Specialist Equipment etc)... however I suspect that the USA has all the equipment it needs too.

This is not an isolated case afterall, in this part of the world.

Im sure that the people of Florida have the backing of the "Civilized" world, and just have to indicate what they need in order to receive same.. however i cant see it happening, as i indicated above.

3RA1N1AC
08-14-2004, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by Rat Faced@14 August 2004 - 12:42
I think Shell%Shocked doesnt understand the nature of International Aid... It is from Rich Countries to Poor Countries and is for development.
aw, that's just unfair. you can't expect people to be bothered with technicalities such as whether international charity should be focused toward countries that are least able to fend for themselves.

j2k4
08-14-2004, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Rat Faced@14 August 2004 - 15:42
My sympathies with anyone affected... and I hope RPerry gets back online soon, so i know hes OK ;)

I think Shell%Shocked doesnt understand the nature of International Aid...
Anybody hears from RPerry please post to that effect? :huh:

Rat-

I think {SHELL%SHOCKED} was being a bit facetious (much as I myself was); figured maybe others would understand? ;)

3RA1N1AC
08-14-2004, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by j2k4@14 August 2004 - 13:11
I think {SHELL%SHOCKED} was being a bit facetious
oh yeah... feigning ignorance with no apparent indication of humorous intent, in order to trick people into wasting precious minutes of their lives on pointless arguments. that's commonly referred to in forum jargon as "trolling." :jester:

j2k4
08-15-2004, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC@14 August 2004 - 18:51
that's commonly referred to in forum jargon as "trolling." :jester:
That's debatable.

Actually, the conclusion is foretold in the thread's title; there is definitely room for such commentary (although it does clash with the expressions of sympathy).

Suffice it to say we all wish the best for those in the path of the storm. ;)

3RA1N1AC
08-15-2004, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by j2k4@14 August 2004 - 18:42
Suffice it to say we all wish the best for those in the path of the storm. ;)
true, true. although these things happen year in & year out and my gut reaction sometimes is "gee, why don't they just move someplace where the weather isn't like that? if you don't want your house to get flooded, don't live by the river. if you don't want it to tumble down a hill in a mudslide, don't live on top of a hill." if only the solution were so simple.

j2k4
08-15-2004, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC+15 August 2004 - 01:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3RA1N1AC &#064; 15 August 2004 - 01:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@14 August 2004 - 18:42
Suffice it to say we all wish the best for those in the path of the storm. ;)
true, true. although these things happen year in & year out and my gut reaction sometimes is "gee, why don&#39;t they just move someplace where the weather isn&#39;t like that? if you don&#39;t want your house to get flooded, don&#39;t live by the river. if you don&#39;t want it to tumble down a hill in a mudslide, don&#39;t live on top of a hill." if only the solution were so simple.[/b][/quote]
I&#39;m reminded of Sam Kinison&#39;s routine about the starving people of desert countries: "Why don&#39;t you go where the FOOD is?"

I think there&#39;s a rather large group of people in northeast Africa and many people all over the middle-east who wish they could be somewhere else for a while. :huh:

Of course, the psychology of "Why don&#39;t you leave?" has been the subject of at least a few books; would that we could address it here, eh? :huh:

RPerry
08-18-2004, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by j2k4+14 August 2004 - 16:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 14 August 2004 - 16:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@14 August 2004 - 15:42
My sympathies with anyone affected... and I hope RPerry gets back online soon, so i know hes OK ;)

I think Shell%Shocked doesnt understand the nature of International Aid...
Anybody hears from RPerry please post to that effect? :huh:

Rat-

I think {SHELL%SHOCKED} was being a bit facetious (much as I myself was); figured maybe others would understand? ;) [/b][/quote]
I&#39;m here and very much ok ;)
Only cosmetic damage done to my home, and based on what I have seen in the surrounding community, I am very lucky. Was without power and phone for 48hrs. Some still without power still. For those who don&#39;t know, I lived in my own house out here for about 5 yrs, and lost it when I lost my job last year. I am very glad to have moved, That section of Poinciana was in worse shape than the area here. I think most of it was because those homes were built pre-Andrew. The newer homes took this hurricane much better. I have heard the media is making this sound very bad. I know mobile homes took most of the damage, and as of today, there are only 20 reported deaths, and still scores missing.

vidcc
08-18-2004, 05:31 PM
I appreciate costs and the fact that many houses are old but one does wonder why such areas don&#39;t have a stricter building code in the first place
I think the state and the isurance companies could get together and build affordable homes that are more able to withstand such events...surely in the long run it would be beneficial to not only the people that live in the homes but also the insurance companies.

I&#39;m glad that you are ok RP

j2k4
08-18-2004, 07:55 PM
RPerry-

Glad to hear everything&#39;s okay with you and your abode.

Most people don&#39;t realize what it is to do without even electricity and other basics, like a phone.

About 10 years ago, I was just getting out of the shower, heading for work, when I hear this rather large "BOOM&#33;" and a thumping impact; all the lights went off.

It was late winter/early spring, and we had gotten about six inches of wet, soggy snow, and the weight of it took a large branch off a big pine tree at the end of my driveway; in falling it took down my power and phone lines, and the power line fell (still arcing away) in that nice wet snow about five feet from my door.

I had towelled off and was standing in my doorway wondering what the hell I was gonna do (about 30 degrees out, no power, no heat, no phone, and I can&#39;t leave, &#39;cuz the power line is draped across my car and sizzling and arcing in the snow.

Just as how fucked I was began to sink in, a power truck came rolling down the road; he saw the line down and came to my rescue.

I was only 30 minutes late for work.

I thought that was pretty cool. ;)