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ruthie
10-15-2004, 01:36 PM
If this wasn't serious, I'd be laughing. How is it that these nut-jobs get elected to or for anything? I can picture this guy running through the streets, madly screaming "the lesbians are coming, the lesbians are coming".
It is also not funny because his thinking is in tune with a group of conservatives. right now, the Republicans are pretty much in control of everything. Hell, they even have Log Cabin Republicans (http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/index.html) upset.
Some people say if I'm so disgusted with america, why don't I leave it. I don't think you have to love your country or the policies coming out of it. america is not what it's supposed to be. We might as well have witch burnings again.



Lesbian Debauchery in Oklahoma
By Mubarak S. Dahir, AlterNet
Posted on October 13, 2004, Printed on October 15, 2004
http://www.alternet.org/story/20162/
Lesbians of America, pack your bags! There’s a new lesbian capital of the world: Oklahoma!

It may at first be hard to believe that this modest midwestern state is a breeding ground as a lesbian Sodom and Gomorrah, but we have it from a good source that the state is in fact cultivating lesbian debauchery.

None other than former ultra-conservative Republican Congressman and the current Republican Senate candidate Tom Coburn says so.

In a tape recently released by Brad Carson, Coburn's Democratic opponent for the Senate race there, Coburn is heard warning the good clean citizens of Oklahoma of the great lesbian threat to their state.

On the tape, Coburn tells how a campaign worker form Coalgate, Okla., told him that lesbianism is “so rampant in some of the schools in southeast Oklahoma that they’ll only let one girl go to the bathroom.”

Well, I think he really meant to say they all only let one girl at a time go to the bathroom. It’d kind of be a mess if they really only ever let that one girl in the school go to the bathroom.

But back to lesbian debauchery.

This is, of course, a matter of grave concern and alarm for the good citizens of Oklahoma. Imagine, girls pretending they have to relieve themselves, then going to the bathroom to relieve themselves.

On tape, Coburn warns his fellow Oklahomans to think about this issue. How has this catastrophe happened to us?

When contacted by the Associated Press for follow-up, Coburn's spokesperson, John Hart, had an answer. Lesbian debauchery has been allowed to happen, he said, because “our kids are getting mixed messages about sexuality.”

Southeast Oklahoma teachers are denying this wave of lesbian depravity is of much concern. And when Joe McCulley, the superintendent of schools in Coalgate, heard about Coburn's remarks and concern he just chuckled.

But this really isn’t a laughing matter.

Because Tom Coburn is a reason for lesbians and gay men, wherever they live, to be concerned.

Coburn has been identified by the national Republican Party as one of the key candidates who could help them hold onto their slim majority in the U.S. Senate in the November elections.

The seat is being vacated by Republican Sen. Don Nickles, who has held the position for 24 years.

Coburn was previously a Congressman from Oklahoma, who got swept in with the right-wing conservatism of the 1994 Congress. He quit Congress after three terms (as he said he would), but he didn't fade from the national spotlight, or from national controversy. In 2001, President Bush named him to co-chair the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS, a position he still holds.

Early on, the former doctor made a national reputation for himself as a die hard right-winger.

And he has long battled what he sees as the threat to America from the “gay agenda.”

While in Congress, Coburn was one of the leaders in the fight to keep the District of Columbia from implementing its domestic partnership program, by refusing to fund it. And he fought to keep gays and lesbians in the District from being allowed to adopt children.

His staunch opposition to and constant harping against same-sex marriage has been credited by some as a pivotal reason for President George Bush's endorsement of a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.

Coburn is known as much for his dramatic antics as for his ultra-conservative viewpoints. When he was first elected to Congress, he lured young interns to his office with free pizza and sodas for lectures on abstinence and sexually transmitted diseases. His presentations were complete with slides of people and body parts infected with the various ailments he was railing against.

He has been equally controversial on AIDS policy and AIDS education and prevention efforts. In 1997, he proposed a bill that would have required states to have named, rather than anonymous, HIV reporting as a condition for receiving federal Medicaid money. He also authored a bill encouraging mandatory testing of infants for HIV.

Heas a staunch supporter of abstinence as the primary form of HIV/AIDS prevention, and has used his training as a doctor to undermine condom use. When he was appointed to the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS, he told Reuters his mission would be to really talk about the science that's out there on HIV.

Yet despite the mountains of scientific evidence that prove condoms help prevent the spread of HIV and save lives, Coburn dismissed them.

“A condom will work for you and for me if we use it perfectly and use it every time,” he said. “The problem is that the majority of people just don’t use them like that.”

Just this last spring, Coburn’s office wrote to cancel his office’s subscription to Poz magazine, the premiere magazine on HIV and AIDS issues.

For its 10th anniversary edition, Poz gathered more than 80 people with HIV and AIDS to pose in a naked group shot for the magazine's cover. Coburn was so offended by the photo that he wrote the magazine and asked he be removed immediately from the mailing list.

And according to the online magazine Salon.com, at a political meeting held just last spring, Coburn warned his fellow Republicans that “the gay community has infiltrated the very centers of power in every area across this country, and they wield extreme power. [The gay] agenda is the greatest threat to our freedom that we face today.”

And what could be better proof of our power and reach than the great lesbian bathroom scare in schools all across the state of Oklahoma?
from Alternet (http://www.alternet.org/rights/20162/)

Biggles
10-15-2004, 01:50 PM
Ruthie

There is some merit in what he says

Absintence may be the only way ensuring there are no more Coburns :shifty:

I have this mental image of him checking under his bed to make sure there are no gays lurking with bad intent. Marvellous!

ruthie
10-15-2004, 01:57 PM
Too funny.

Rat Faced
10-15-2004, 03:31 PM
We might as well have witch burnings again.



:blink: :unsure:

ruthie
10-15-2004, 03:33 PM
No worries, RF. I spoke with total sarcasm. Some of my best friends are witches.

Busyman
10-15-2004, 03:37 PM
I would have a problem to if girls were licking on other girls at school. However, I would have problem with kids partaking in any sexual activity in school. :blink:

I agree that in recent years I have seen more lesbianism with the younger girls due to more experimentation but the whole issue is about discouraging sexual activity...PERIOD.

ruthie
10-15-2004, 04:02 PM
Granted, school isn't the best place to get it on, though I do remember some steamy moments from high school. LOL.
Discourage sexual activity? That's a big one. You can talk to your kids openly and honestly about sex, which I did, but there is the issue of hormones. It's really teaching them about respecting themselves and others, and hopefully making well thought out decisions. Bottom line is though, they still have raging hormones, so better to teach them about safe sex, and let them know you are there for them NO MATTER WHAT.

Rat Faced
10-15-2004, 04:07 PM
Granted, school isn't the best place to get it on, though I do remember some steamy moments from high school. LOL.
Discourage sexual activity? That's a big one. You can talk to your kids openly and honestly about sex, which I did, but there is the issue of hormones. It's really teaching them about respecting themselves and others, and hopefully making well thought out decisions. Bottom line is though, they still have raging hormones, so better to teach them about safe sex, and let them know you are there for them NO MATTER WHAT.

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Busyman
10-15-2004, 04:19 PM
Granted, school isn't the best place to get it on, though I do remember some steamy moments from high school. LOL.
Discourage sexual activity? That's a big one. You can talk to your kids openly and honestly about sex, which I did, but there is the issue of hormones. It's really teaching them about respecting themselves and others, and hopefully making well thought out decisions. Bottom line is though, they still have raging hormones, so better to teach them about safe sex, and let them know you are there for them NO MATTER WHAT.
My bottomline line was really that the senator's focus is kinda off on the lesbian issue.

Although I do see it more often now with the youngins. Maybe it's just experimentation since homosexuality is more accepted now. :dry:

ruthie
10-15-2004, 04:31 PM
My bottomline line was really that the senator's focus is kinda off on the lesbian issue.

Although I do see it more often now with the youngins. Maybe it's just experimentation since homosexuality is more accepted now. :dry:
The senator is off his rocker.

Rat Faced
10-15-2004, 04:34 PM
The senator is off his rocker.

They all are..

The very fact that they seek power, proves that they are not the correct people to be in power.

However, as there isnt any other real way, i guess we have to stick with voting for Morons and Assholes...and just try and keep the worst of the worst out of office.


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ruthie
10-15-2004, 04:35 PM
Ah...the all seeing eye.

spinningfreemanny
10-15-2004, 06:08 PM
No worries, RF. I spoke with total sarcasm. Some of my best friends are witches.

Explains a lot... :shifty:

ruthie
10-15-2004, 06:09 PM
Rofl

Rat Faced
10-15-2004, 06:11 PM
Explains a lot... :shifty:

If you are going to start on Religious Discrimination, off topic, and without any knowledge, i'll point you to the pinned threads of this room..
:dry:

spinningfreemanny
10-15-2004, 06:13 PM
If you are going to start on Religious Discrimination, off topic, and without any knowledge, i'll point you to the pinned threads of this room..
:dry:

Sorry RF... hanging curveball... :)

Rat Faced
10-15-2004, 06:16 PM
Sorry RF... hanging curveball... :)

As far as im aware, the aim was out... The member you were throwing at isnt a pagan.

I am wiccan, however.

Biggles
10-15-2004, 07:44 PM
I would have a problem to if girls were licking on other girls at school. However, I would have problem with kids partaking in any sexual activity in school. :blink:

I agree that in recent years I have seen more lesbianism with the younger girls due to more experimentation but the whole issue is about discouraging sexual activity...PERIOD.

:blink: You didn't engage in a little Indian tongue wrestling at school with your favourite girlfriend??

It was not at all uncommon in mine and we are talking very early 70s here. :shifty:

Biggles
10-15-2004, 07:47 PM
If you are going to start on Religious Discrimination, off topic, and without any knowledge, i'll point you to the pinned threads of this room..
:dry:

I think Manny might have been having a Willow moment.

Ahh! sweet sweet Willow. :lol:

Rat Faced
10-15-2004, 07:51 PM
Ahh! sweet sweet Willow. :lol:


:rolleyes:

Busyman
10-15-2004, 07:52 PM
:blink: You didn't engage in a little Indian tongue wrestling at school with your favourite girlfriend??

It was not at all uncommon in mine and we are talking very early 70s here. :shifty:

Hell yeah man!!! I've had sex in school, tongue kissed, etc.

A teacher witnessing this, however, is not going to just say, "Aww isn't that cute." :dry:

Biggles
10-15-2004, 07:55 PM
Hell yeah man!!! I've had sex in school, tongue kissed, etc.

A teacher witnessing this, however, is not going to just say, "Aww isn't that cute." :dry:

By and large, the classroom was not the best venue. :lol:

Everose
10-15-2004, 10:24 PM
Sorry RF... hanging curveball... :)

Manny you took that well. It makes me feel really bad, though, for not speaking up in the thread last night where you were ridiculed/discriminated against for your age.

vidcc
10-15-2004, 10:42 PM
Manny you took that well. It makes me feel really bad, though, for not speaking up in the thread last night where you were ridiculed/discriminated against for your age.
As one that doesn't (depending on the seriousness of the joke) generally partake in such activity and find it silly to say the least, i feel that one also has to take into account mannies views on "things".... he takes a hard line approval of military action for example, so he has therefore to be considered as someone that isn't "fragile" and can stand up for himself... he also likes to do his own share of "name calling" ( i don't understand why someone would break down and cry because they are labled "liberal") so he has to accept fair game.

I will also state that i doubt he lost much sleep over it, he seems to have a reasonable sense of humour :D

Rat Faced
10-15-2004, 10:50 PM
Manny you took that well. It makes me feel really bad, though, for not speaking up in the thread last night where you were ridiculed/discriminated against for your age.

You also have a good point Everose.

Manny is old enough to vote.

Even if he wasnt, everyone old enough to be on this forum (13) is well old enough to hold opinions. ;)

Busyman
10-16-2004, 04:55 AM
As one that doesn't (depending on the seriousness of the joke) generally partake in such activity and find it silly to say the least, i feel that one also has to take into account mannies views on "things".... he takes a hard line approval of military action for example, so he has therefore to be considered as someone that isn't "fragile" and can stand up for himself... he also likes to do his own share of "name calling" ( i don't understand why someone would break down and cry because they are labled "liberal") so he has to accept fair game.

I will also state that i doubt he lost much sleep over it, he seems to have a reasonable sense of humour :D
Where was he ridiculed? What thread? :lol: :lol: :lol:

"There gonna laugh at you!!!" :lol: :lol:

The Movie - Carrie

Hard line approval of military action says nothing about one standing up for themselves. It says that they agree that someone else should fight.
When these hardliners have a stake in it (their own life or loved one) then maybe they are hard liners.
They will also think about all the options before supporting a ground war.

ruthie
10-16-2004, 05:07 AM
The word chickenhawk comes to mind.

spinningfreemanny
10-16-2004, 07:34 AM
As one that doesn't (depending on the seriousness of the joke) generally partake in such activity and find it silly to say the least, i feel that one also has to take into account mannies views on "things".... he takes a hard line approval of military action for example, so he has therefore to be considered as someone that isn't "fragile" and can stand up for himself... he also likes to do his own share of "name calling" ( i don't understand why someone would break down and cry because they are labled "liberal") so he has to accept fair game.

I will also state that i doubt he lost much sleep over it, he seems to have a reasonable sense of humour :D

I cried myself to sleep :crying:


hey vid, military activists have feelings to, you know...

spinningfreemanny
10-16-2004, 07:36 AM
But I know That busy gets so mad he get bloody noses every time he reads my posts...

huh, B...

Rat Faced
10-16-2004, 09:26 AM
But I know That busy gets so mad he get bloody noses every time he reads my posts...

huh, B...

Only at your opinions, however laughing at your reasoning probably pulls him back to sanity ;)

Busyman
10-16-2004, 02:14 PM
But I know That busy gets so mad he get bloody noses every time he reads my posts...

huh, B...
There's only been maybe 2 or 3 posts from folks on here that remotely "got to me" and I think you were seventeen at the time and not a member. :lol: :lol: :lol:

None of the right-wing posters get to me; I just try to understand the logic is all.
I'm at peace now. :rolleyes:

When you realize that you can get shot walking down the street then you also realize that Cyberworld is Bullshitworld.
It's a place to gain ideas but that's about it. :dry:

Everose
10-16-2004, 03:14 PM
[QUOTE=Busyman]Where was he ridiculed? What thread? :lol: :lol: :lol:

"There gonna laugh at you!!!" :lol: :lol:

The Movie - Carrie


He was no more ridiculed than all the rest of us have been, and have done to others from time to time, and it is right that Manny is very capable of handling things himself. :P

The 'that' that I had referred to Manny taking so well was the fact that when he ridiculed, joked back, he was threatened with being pointed to the rules of this section. That, Manny took well. Kudos to him.

Busyman, you are so funny!!!! :D I do not change what I think or what I say in fear of being laughed at by anybody. Nor do I go along with any set conservative or liberal way of thinking. It is and always will be other human beings I care about above all else. I will not let the depth of my political convictions change my need to be considerate of others across the board. :)

Busyman
10-16-2004, 08:02 PM
He was no more ridiculed than all the rest of us have been, and have done to others from time to time, and it is right that Manny is very capable of handling things himself. :P

The 'that' that I had referred to Manny taking so well was the fact that when he ridiculed, joked back, he was threatened with being pointed to the rules of this section. That, Manny took well. Kudos to him.

Busyman, you are so funny!!!! :D I do not change what I think or what I say in fear of being laughed at by anybody. Nor do I go along with any set conservative or liberal way of thinking. It is and always will be other human beings I care about above all else. I will not let the depth of my political convictions change my need to be considerate of others across the board. :)

When people joke about the jokes said about them I admire that. I believe you should have thicker skin than getting genuinely pissed on an internet forum.
Folks that get their panties in a bunch about such things need to get a girlfriend or something.

Evey, I have some conservative views as well. I just think people that don't look at both sides are close minded idiots.
For example, even regarding religion I have read different views. It behooved me to look at Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Protestants, etc. to see where they get some of their views.

Also, even when thinking something is right in principle, you figure whether it will work, how will it work, and the consequences.

I think about these things regarding laws being introduced and actions taken by politicians.

Unfortunately they don't. :dry: