Heritage or Modernity?

[brenda]

As the Talk Club seems to be full of political threads at the moment I thought I'd ask a completely unrelated question.

Are you more attracted to cities that embrace their heritage such as York in the UK or do you prefer cities that express ultra moderness such as Dubai in UAE?

And please explain your choice if you will.

[Mathea]

i think both can be appreciated for what they offer. Some cities you want the moderness of it all.... new stuff, wild architecture....

Yet theres something very different about older cities (or even noncities really). What I mean is, I've gone to places that are heavy with history and heritage, and its a whole other experience. So for me at least, I would say both.

In NYC you have a lot of skyscrapers and new building, with such a diversity.... but there are parts that make you feel as if the rest doesnt even exist

Okay Im done now

[Biggles]

A fair point.

It would be vandalism in the extreme to knock down York city walls to replace them with say a Casino, Las Vegas style. It is a joy to stroll around an ancient place.

Dubai is a stunning example of what can be done with modern architecture (and a lot of oil money). However, as a rule modern in the UK looks like the Bull Ring in Manchester - which, imho, is pants.

On the whole, I prefer old. It is worth remembering that only the good of the old remains - the rest having fallen down a long time ago. With modern you have both the crap and the good with (in the UK) the former having the numerical advantage.

[ruthie]

I much prefer cities that maintain their history. I don't care for "modern" things. In NYC, you can still go to very old sections that are somewhat the same, though you cannot compare it to cities in Europe. I loved many parts of Ireland, and other countries. I wish that we, here inthe states had the antiquity of Europe. We are too young. ( I do not include Native American history in that statement..unfortunately, the US pretty much wiped them and their cultures out)
also...great question, Brenda

[spinningfreemanny]

I much prefer cities that maintain their history. I don't care for "modern" things. In NYC, you can still go to very old sections that are somewhat the same, though you cannot compare it to cities in Europe. I loved many parts of Ireland, and other countries. I wish that we, here inthe states had the antiquity of Europe. We are too young. ( I do not include Native American history in that statement..unfortunately, the US pretty much wiped them and their cultures out)
also...great question, Brenda

I'll tell you right now; Native American architechure has nothing over ancient European architechure; and I say that as a Native American.

There's more of a 'gee thats quaint' feel to the ancient ruins, as the same feel with current Reservations. I would love to travel through Europe due to the history behind it, I wouldn't like to live there though.

[Biggles]

I'll tell you right now; Native American architechure has nothing over ancient European architechure; and I say that as a Native American.

There's more of a 'gee thats quaint' feel to the ancient ruins, as the same feel with current Reservations. I would love to travel through Europe due to the history behind it, I wouldn't like to live there though.

:lol: Conservatives survive ok here too. :lol:

http://www.henniker.org.uk/images/places/local/ed-central/views/sm-ramsaygdns.jpg

Picture of central Edinburgh

[ruthie]

This all makes me want to travel more. Great pic, Biggles

[Biggles]

This all makes me want to travel more. Great pic, Biggles

Thanks - came out a bit bigger than I expected though. Sorry Brenda.

[Rat Faced]

Theres much to be said for heritage..

http://www.ncl.ac.uk/sacs/assets/photos/Music/ncl4.jpg

and the new...

http://www.graeme-peacock.com/e_photos/e_25.jpg

Especially if the new, doesnt forget its past ;)

[Biggles]

The latter actually looks ancient Egyptian - and I rather like it. Not at all like the Bull Ring.

[hobbes]

I'm glad you brought us a fresh topic.

It seems this forum is in the midst of a last minute political barrage before the election. As a person who really doesn't like the whole subject of politics, because anyone who attempts to seek political power should be barred from holding it for this very reason.

All a bunch of liars.

As to your topic, I don't know.

The "modern" must always be allowed, but it sometimes doesn't work, and stands there looking like a orphaned piece of doo-doo. When it does, it becomes "classic", just a different period.

[Rat Faced]

I'm glad you brought us a fresh topic.

It seems this forum is in the midst of a last minute political barrage before the election. As a person who really doesn't like the whole subject of politics, because anyone who attempts to seek political power should be barred from holding it for this very reason.

All a bunch of liars.




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I've said this for years

:lol:

[vidcc]

both have their own qualities however i don't like the two mixing. A modern building next to a traditional building makes both look bad, but seperately they can have their own charms

http://www.liverpooltales.com/carbuncle.jpg an example, although the modern building holds little charm

[ElvisLover]

http://www.epsom-ewell.gov.uk/epsom/tourism.nsf/bfa5d133c51e615480256a1c0059f20c/7f58465a3e3dacc580256a9100291aeb/Body/6.4AE8?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=jpg


Nonsuch Park was once the site of a Tudor Royal Palace. One can only imagine what Nonsuch Park would be like today if the palace had not been demolished hundreds of years ago.

Below is a short history of Nonsuch Palace and in addition if you click on the image of King Henry Vlll you can find out more of the story of Nonsuch by following the 'Nonsuch Walk' on the map.

A Short history of Nonsuch Palace

King Henry VIII began to build Nonsuch Palace on 22 April 1538, the thirtieth anniversary of his accession. The King's advisors chose a site then occupied by the village of Cuddington, with its church and manor house. These were cleared away and the owners compensated. Within two months of work beginning, the name 'Nonsuch' first appears in the building accounts. The structure was perhaps substantially complete by January 1541, but the decorations of the outside walls, which were to be the fame of Nonsuch and the explanation of Henry's purpose in its creation, were still in progress five years later. By November 1545 the work had cost £24,536 - half as much again as was spent at Hampton Court in the same period. When Henry died on 28 January 1547, the palace was still unfinished, but what little remained to be done was completed by Henry Fitzalan, twelfih earl of Arundel, after his purchase of the palace from the crown in 1556. Elizabeth I regained Nonsuch in 1592. It remained in Royal hands (apart from the Commonwealth) until 1670, when Charles II gave it to his erstwhile mistress, Barbara Villiers, created Baroness Nonsuch, Duchess of Cleveland. She demolished the palace in 1682-3 and broke up the parks. The site was excavated in 1959.

I have this a 5 minute walk down the road :)

[Everose]

I would like to visit a lot of the places talked about here. Makes me realize the antiques I collect aren't very old in the overall scope of things. :D

In that vein, of the homes here in America, I always lean toward the older ones which seem to have more character somehow. More interesting little nooks and crannies,, I guess.

Modern buildings are all right, I suppose. I am just more attracted by the older ones.

Thanks for this thread, Brenda. :)

[vidcc]

http://www.cba.ufl.edu/upo/photocontest/images/stonehenge.jpg


"Stonehenge..... before that there was woodhenge and before that strawhenge....but a big bad wolf blew them down and the three little piggies were relocated to the projects".


You have an excelent sense of humour if you know which comedian that was quoted from :D

[brenda]

I live near to England's biggest theme park, Alton Towers, it dates back as far as the 8th century when it was a fortress held by Ceolred, King of Mercia.

It's gardens were opened to the public in 1860 and it became a theme park in the 1970's when I remember visiting it with my parents and grandparents.

It is now a site that manages to incorporate both ancient beauty and mystery and roller-coaster insanity, for me it is a place that holds a host of memories. Although it is quite sad that it has become so much like Disneyland, if it wasn't for the revenue that it receives I am sure that the gardens would have been lost long ago.

Check out these photos of it.... its amazing!

The gardens (http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/csimon/alton/)
The rides (http://www.towerstimes.co.uk/rides/index.htm)

[MagicNakor]

I much prefer antiquity. Bet no one could have seen that coming.

I get to work in a heritage building too. What fun!

:shuriken:

[Rat Faced]

In Newcastle, most modern buildings are OK...

http://medical.faculty.ncl.ac.uk/biomed/sbg/HomePages/images/bio1.jpg

Personally, i still prefer our older ones though, as i said.. even in the Middle of winter.. :P

http://www.icdev.co.uk/expats/desktops/newcastle/greystreet1024.jpg

and even with Modern Art trying to blend in :blink:

http://www.ejr.ndo.co.uk/drinkb.jpg

[Mathea]

http://www.icdev.co.uk/expats/desktops/newcastle/greystreet1024.jpg
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thats really really pretty

[Rat Faced]

Grey Street in the middle of the night, in the Middle of winter ;)

Most of Newcastle City Centre is like that.. except the newer Shopping Areas ;)

[Mathea]

yeah i think its cool going to parts of towns and cities that look the same after so long....