The Legallity Of File Sharing

[zhelynd]

File sharing is legal, icq, msn, they all have file transfer features.

But, kazaa has file searching features that allows users to get access to pirated softwares, movies and songs much easier.
With 4 million people using kazaa and 7million gb of files being shared every given moment costing the cultural industries (movies, music, software) billions of dollars, do you expect kazaa to last another year?

Will Kazaa be the next Napster, Audiogalaxy?

[Shinigami_[R.I.P.]]

This has been brought up many a time...

You'll probably hear of a post like this being called "the sky if falling" kind of thing.

I think it will stay for a long time. Even if it doesn't, many more will rise to take it's place.

[gumbydancin]

There is a search button in the upper right hand side of the page, you can use it to find the what seems like millions of other threads like this. Or you can just browse back through the pages, I'm sure it hasn't been more than a week simce someone asked that.



:ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

[MagicNakor]

And, I bet if you cared to look, you'd see most of the files being transferred through ICQ, MSN, AIM, Trillian, etc. are "pirated."

Don't forget that Kazaa also lets you search for legal files. It's all in the use.

:ninja:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by zhelynd@27 March 2003 - 05:49
File sharing is legal, icq, msn, they all have file transfer features.

But, kazaa has file searching features that allows users to get access to pirated softwares, movies and songs much easier.
With 4 million people using kazaa and 7million gb of files being shared every given moment costing the cultural industries (movies, music, software) billions of dollars, do you expect kazaa to last another year?

Will Kazaa be the next Napster, Audiogalaxy?
No

[TIDE-HSV]

How long wil u b aliv? Wen u no, let me no.

[MagicNakor]

I'll be dead in about 80 years. And I imagine all of you will be as well. ;)

Edit: So says the average human lifespan.

:ninja:

[TIDE-HSV]

Well, wasn't speaking to you, MK, since you were not the one speaking the phony pidgin. BTW, I'm pretty sick of the fake pidgin - particularly from posters writing under several aliases. I guess they think they are making fools of the rest of us but most are pretty exposed - in every sense of the word.

[sacreddruid]

Just incase some people haven't been using the internet for longer than kazza's been around, there's been SOOOO many p2p programs...CuteMX which no one remembers, napster of course, limewire, and many many more, so many more than it's a waste of time and space to list them all. And to make a long story short, alot of them where shut down. Due to lawsuits, and the biggest problem they faced was not being in the wrong, but not having the cash to fund thier legal battles. p2p programs do just what the name implies, they are a peer to peer program that connects you to me and me to you, to the best of my knowledge, none of these files touch any sever owned by kazza or any other p2p file sharing program companies. But aside from that, there's been a rather common trend with p2p programs, they come, they go, they change names, they trasnfer ownership, there's new ones allways comming out. There will always be p2p file sharing programs. As to the legality of it, some compaines are no longer going after kazza and other p2p companies, but going after you and me, mr. average joe schmoe, and suing us for downloading illegal stuff, and getting us arrested.

A word of caution to the wary, invest in a legitimate ip scrambler, and other privacy protection. What they don't know about you, can't hurt you.

[Sneepboy]

Originally posted by sacreddruid@27 March 2003 - 21:32
A word of caution to the wary, invest in a legitimate ip scrambler, and other privacy protection.
I have never heard of an IP scrambler. How could that possibly work and where can I get one?

[Switeck]

Or get Peer Guardian (or a good software firewall) and a list of intenet cop IPs and BLOCK them!

It won't make you 100% safe, but couple that with the privacy protection in KL++ v2.1 (unlistable shared files) will make you an unlikely target to anyone BUT your ISP. Your ISP could log your internet traffic if you're being a major bandwidth leech, but that's unlikely if you're looking for rare files and you limit your upload bandwidths to less than max for your connection.

[sacreddruid]

An IP Scrambler is something that I've yet to actually find. I does just what the name suggests. It scrambles you IP address so you theoretically cannot be traced. I don't know where to get one, or if they even exist. They may be a hacker's myth, or a well kept underground secret, but I can't find them.

And what is this peer guardian thing?

[ShareDaddy]

Here are some of my thoughts on the subject of sharing or transferring ownership of any materials. Remember my thoughts, does not mean they have any weight or can be considered legitimate by any other.

First off, when you buy a car, can you loan your car to someone? Yes.

Can you sell your car to someone (for more or less than what you paid depending on collectors value and so on)? Yes.

The reason I listed the aforementioned items is as follows: The music industry is even cracking down on re-sale shops, they want more money when the used LP, CD, Tape, etc are re-sold. This is ludicrous. Does GM, FORD, DaimlerChrysler or any other automobile manfacturer even think they could ever ask for a percentage of the re-selling price when a used car is sold. NO. They know better, the idea is utterly proposterus and has led me to doing what I want when I want to regarding any p2p sharing program for any type of media.

The fact that the entertainment industry wants you to pay top dollar for what all intents and purposes is a very strictly controlled lease is beyond me. If you want to charge 10 or 20 dollars for a 5 cent piece of plastic because it has sounds or pictures on it is fine, but if I pay that it is mine to do with as I see fit. Charge me a quarter (25 cents) and maybe we could talk.

25 cents is 5 times the cost of production, which by any standard means you can run a heck of a business making 5 times your production costs. I know there are other costs, however that should be there responsibility to control, paying someone 100 million for making an album does not make want to spend 20 dollars for a CD. Pay them a more realistic sum and charge what needs to be charged in order to make a buck, not rip us off.

Does anyone know how a DVD movie can cost more than a VHS? Not me, the VHS tape alone costs more than the DVD disc and the DVD is much easier to make and distribute, so why the increased price? The entertainment industry is rotten to the core and they make it out like we are the bad guys. I buy music and stuff from street bands, low cost, high Quality stuff, that is where I choose to spend my money, paying for evian for the singers pet is not my responsibility.

Just had to get that off my chest.

[TJX]

Couldn't agree more.

[ShareDaddy]

I wanted to add thios separate as someone already agreed and I would not want anone thinking they may have agreed to what I am about to add. Hopefully this made sense to you people (I always understand myself, others are a much less percentage ;)).

I wanted to add that I do understand that when you buy a car you cannot simply make duplicates of it and give them to your friends, I do understand that. However if you could, would that be illegal, probably not, at least at first.

Also, I think the extensions of copyrights, like those that Disney just received are ridiculous. The law was the law until a big shot company like Disney found out they were losing the rights to Mickey Mouse and others. The lobbied the right peopl and got an extension and i am not sure if the extension has an expiration date. I am not saying that an author or artist should be compensated for his or her's work. I am simply stating that if we never allow for the copyrights to expire then eventually no one will be able to write or sing a thing, it will have all been done before.

That is to say, if a 22nd century band wanted to cover a 20th century Beatles song, they would first have to have the copyright holder's permission and most likely pay them for the use. Had this been the case a whole lot of good music over the last 30 years or so would not have been made. I think the law used to be life, then it was life plus 50 years. Now Disney has it forever. And remember it does not have to be a duplicate, it can be similar or even just close and there may be copyright issues. I would hate to be a songwriter right now, writing music and lyrics has to be the toughest thing, there is not a whole lot of undone stuff.

[leecheskicked]

oh please! Copyright laws are different country to country, as for Kazaa surviving, maybe it will maybe it wont, in which case we will all be swapping files on the next program, think about how many laws your country has for theft, sex, driving, drugs, all the fun things. How many hundreds of years have they had them? Has it stopped everybody? don't think so. P2P will continue always as will file sharing, piracy etc? Companies will fight back of course and an uneasy status quo wil be maintained.

[sacreddruid]

I coudln't agree more. The music industry has gotten way too big and way to greedy. Maybe if Eminem was making what he was worth he would have been throw out on the street long ago. But this concept is not limited to music and DVDs. Look at professional athletes. GOD would I love to get paid millions a year to run around and throw, kick, or carry a ball. And look at actors, wtf is up with 1 million an episode for friends. We live in a system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Damned republicans. Stupid conservitives. Ignorant people who perpetuate the cycle via buying into mass media television and movies. Rally to the cause. Don't waste money on movies and media entertainment! Even if you think it's worth the price, it's not, even if you think 5 10 20 dollars is not alot of money, it's only becaues you've been conditioned to think that way.

[DarkEternityNow]

ive always just taken the stance that I refuse to pay for something that technically does not literally exist, being just numbers. Do the tree's charge you for the oxygen they let out? Do we charge the tree's for stealing our carbon dioxide?

[Jibbler]

Originally posted by DarkEternityNow@28 March 2003 - 18:27
ive always just taken the stance that I refuse to pay for something that technically does not literally exist, being just numbers. Do the tree's charge you for the oxygen they let out? Do we charge the tree's for stealing our carbon dioxide?
Oxygen does exist, just because you can't see it, doesn't mean that its not there.

[sacreddruid]

Going on that theory. What's to say I didn't create some random peraimeters and make the MP3 in question from a VB program that outputs random 1010100100111101010110101 style code and just happen to come up with something that is techniqually copywrited.

And yes I am aware that comming up with anything that remotely resemembles any kind of music is virtually impossible using that method. But I'm trying to make a point

[imported_uncle_cracker]

don't worry :w00t:

p2p will never die ... :beerchug:

[DarkEternityNow]

actually, the oxygen and carbon dioxide thing were just metaphores or something....

[SideSwiped]

Have any of you actually READ copyright law? If you follow it to the letter, what we do technically is legal, but there is a grey area in it, and the RIAA is using it's clout and money to remove the grey area, and make it illegal. We are sharing, not selling, not copying, not claiming to create what we share. Copyright laws were created to protect the people and the artist. If the RIAA succeeds it will be illegal for us to even watch or listen to any media, according to the changes in the current laws they'd like to see. I mean after all, millions of ppl tune into the radio or the television and we did not pay to view the media so isn't that technically the same 'evil'? I however still support the idea of a worldwide boycot on all entertainment media if the RIAA continues on it's course.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by SideSwiped@29 March 2003 - 03:23
Have any of you actually READ copyright law?  If you follow it to the letter, what we do technically is legal, but there is a grey area in it, and the RIAA is using it's clout and money to remove the grey area, and make it illegal.  We are sharing, not selling, not copying, not claiming to create what we share.  Copyright laws were created to protect the people and the artist.  If the RIAA succeeds it will be illegal for us to even watch or listen to any media, according to the changes in the current laws they'd like to see.  I mean after all, millions of ppl tune  into the radio or the television and we did not pay to view the media so isn't that technically the same 'evil'?  I however still support the idea of a worldwide boycot on all entertainment media if the RIAA continues on it's course.
Tis true.

P2P is on one side of the legal hurdle, the RIAA on the other.
They could conceivably win, but the prospect of alienation of the consumer is much too great; think in terms of Major League Baseball-if they don't soon begin to manage salary levels they'll have to go pay-per-view, and THAT would kill the goose-same with P2P.

[ksmurf]

p2p will never die. i have been sharing files of all sorts for the last 18 years. whether handing a disk , using the old copy-right file copy program or recording a data cassette, p2p has been around for years. i, of course, have never copied anything that is covered by copyright ;>

[ksmurf]

p2p will never die. i have been sharing files of all sorts for the last 18 years. whether handing a disk , using the old copy-right file copy program or recording a data cassette, p2p has been around for years. i, of course, have never copied anything that is covered by copyright ;> (i see i screwed up yet again!)

[clocker]

Apparently Ksmurf's ass is so big he had to cover it twice...

[ksmurf]

Originally posted by clocker@31 March 2003 - 04:05
Apparently Ksmurf's ass is so big he had to cover it twice...
no need to be petty now is there. there is already one major war going on. lol

[clocker]

It occurs to me that in all these discussions the problem is always stated as Us (the poor downtrodden people) vs. Them ( the rich,greedy Media Giants). I think that we actually have an ally that no one ever mentions and that would be ...(drumroll)... the other Large Greedy Corporations who build the hardware that makes p2p possible. I remember when the first dual tape decks came out ( yes, I'm that old) and the music industry was up in arms because you could (GASP!) duplicate a tape! The World As We Know It could come to an end! But TEAC and BASF and all those guys knew they were sitting on a goldmine and fought off the legal challenges. I suspect that something similar might happen again, after all Gateway and Dell and yes, even Sony, are making shitloads of money selling us the tools we need to connect, trade and burn files. Imagine the corporate psychosis at Sony as one division races to come up with the latest, greatest multimedia computer-Burn CDs in under 2 Minutes!!! But not Sony copyrighted ones of course (nudge,nudge,wink,wink)! Meanwhile Sony Music is trying to figure out how to recoup their multimillion dollar investment in Britney Spears' unborn child's next album.
I guess the point here is that I think that there will be lots of little skirmishes and lots of breastbeating by the recording industry, but they can only huff and puff so hard before the Big Bad Wolf (i.e. the Computer/Software industry) blows back. After all, who swings the biggest bat, Mariah Carey or Bill Gates?
P.S. By the way ksmurf... for all I know you have a very tiny ass... :lol:

[sArA]

The previous comments are so true.....the only problem now is the ability to track online file sharing which is a lot easier than physically swopping discs and tapes etc. However, I really don't think the average joe really needs to worry too much...and if Kazaa goes belly up....well, I will see you all on another forum, on another p2p site.....its human nature to want to stick 2 fingers up to the big boys. In the world of Mr/Ms in the street the underdog is king!

[crashnburn]

economics.

suppy and demand.

its like controlling the worlds choice of music they listen to and then making sure that thos music is priced at such a level that, their million become billions and billions become trillions.

free enterprise is good. but not when companies reach proportions that they can push things around like they want to.

this is where p2p comes as not a totally legal but more so as revolutionary or rebel attitude.

what do u think if they made the price of every song / track as 1c to legally get or buy one. these companies would die ? Im not sure. Maybe maybe not.

Most enterprises should usually price their commodities at a BALANCE POINT!... this balance point is the balance point of supply and demand where it becomes a viable profit, and is not TOO MUCH of a profit that u are basically ripping off the customer.

the music industry has earned billions by exploiting that balance point and taking it higher... and now thanks to the plutocratic government they will influence the senators (with bribes, funds & campaign donations) to lobby laws that bind is more.

most people, by habit will not stop watchin/buying media. only thing is they will have MORE and MORE profit.

this is what needs to be CONTROLLED!

earning good money is not enough for them....
and when someone gets rich...at those proportions.. someone somewhere gets poor or loses a job or something. the balance of the system is exploited.

PS: Maybe socialism is not the key, but there needs to be a balance between free enterprise for profit and prevention of market exploitation.

[clocker]

I don't understand what the big problem is DLing movies anyway. I saw "Chicago" in a theater (twice!) and when the DVD comes out I'll buy that, too ( cause I want all the extra goodies they package with it). So I didn't deprive anyone of their cut of my pie just because I also have it on my harddrive (just kidding Miramax! this is hypothetical...).
Music CDs are another story, though. I can't remember the last CD I bought that wasn't 90% filler and it frosts my butt to have to pay $15 just to get the one decent track on the album. Why not just sell the music by the track? You amble into your local music emporium, specify 13-14 songs you want and they burn a CD right there on the spot. Everyone gets their royalties, commissions whatever and you get exactly what you want. Plus, the music companies don't have to dupe, ship and transport millions of units in the hope that some yahoo will buy them. I think that this would be a real eyeopener for many artists(??!!) who would discover that they only have one or two songs that anyone is willing to buy if people were offered the choice instead of having to gag on the whole albumwrap.
Not that this solves the concerns( all theirs!) about p2p, but really, given the choice of perfect uncorrupted files at a reasonable price and taking your chances on junk and fakes maybe a reasonable balance can be struck. Besides, even Sony can't afford the lawyers it would take to even put a dent in the phenomonon of p2p...

[Nanil]

Was flipping around and saw something interesting (amazing cause it was on public access)... Saw a session of the california senate going over p2p sharing today. The main p2p sharing they looked at was Sharmin networks. The state is looking to employ some people to "block" the sharing. There were reps from the music and movie insudtry, aswell as Kazaa.
I didn't think it possible from everything I've read from you guys. So I'll wait an see :huh:
-Nanil

[TIDE-HSV]

Nanil, as with many other things - that can only happen in California.

[clocker]

So true Tide-HSV... holding meaningless hearings is how politicians justify their existence. They can actually pass as many laws as they wish, but can you imagine any overworked cop or district attorney getting all lathered up over some geek with a few copyrighted files on his/her harddrive? After all, there are millions of jaywalkers they could be chasing... :lol:

[TIDE-HSV]

lol. I was living in New York City at the time of the World's Fair of 1964. In an attempt to control litter, the
City manned hordes of litter police mounted on motor scooters (Vespas, for you Europeans). They tagged you with a $50 fine (around $150, in today's currency)for careless after-droppings. Walt Kelly, author of "Pogo" spoofed this into litter patrols speeding around the swamp on motor scooters, but with a twist. These gendarmarie had machine guns mounted on the handle bars for summary judgment. I'm reminded of this tempest in a teapot - "BRAAAACK," and you're gone, you pirate.

[clocker]

Now that would be a solution that would get MY attention. But really, is slaughtering your potential customer base a good business plan? It' been so long since I was in school... :unsure:

[TIDE-HSV]

Customer base?? :lol: I think their view of us is schizoid, to say the least. They can't decide if we're poor little lambs led astray or predators, red of fang and claw, lusting after the life's blood of their little fiefdom. Bit of both, aren't we? All we need is a bit of the velvet-gloved iron fist to go back to happily paying $20, US, for their CD trash. KA-CHING!! is all that it's about.

[ShareDaddy]

I'm back to this string. Had a few other things to say. First off the title of this string is the legality of file sharing. How can some of these people be replying about Kazaa living or dying? This is not what we were discussing. The sky is falling was not one of the topic drivers, please keep this to the legality aspect and not the other please.

To everyone else that actually discussed the topic. I want to say good show; it means you pay attention and that, now a days is very rare indeed. Hopefully this was done without the need for prescription medication, if so oh well, tis better to medicate and be coherent than not to medicate and be incoherent.

Share on my fellow members, live long and prosper. Teach the ways of the sharer to those you can teach and pray for those you cannot. :lol:

[lunatacs]

omg, these topics are becoming pointless. Yes its illagel, yes its like napster and yes it might shutdown. must you keep bring it up people? lets enjoy it till it lasts though something better will always replace it in due time so, who cares?

[clocker]

TIDE-HSV... It seems that historically, legality has always been KACHINNG! driven. When someone is making enough money off the behavior legal sanction follows sooner or later. As soon as the media moguls figure out how to exploit p2p to their own benefit ( and rest assured, they will ) this little contratemps will blow over.
ShareDaddy...Medicate to stay coherent? Is that how it's supposed to work? God, I've squandered a fortune doing it backwards then.
lunatacs...Sorry to have bored you, I realize that this thread seems to resurrect itself every couple of days. But perhaps you might take comfort in the fact that as long as NuB's(like me) keep expanding the peer base- and inevitably discussing this very question- it means that our numbers are growing, and there is safety in numbers. Ask any prairie dog ( and if he responds, refer to ShareDaddy's advice on self medication... I had it ALL wrong, too).

[TIDE-HSV]

Yep, but how long does it take? I had the same thoughts about marijuana usage over 25 years ago - and it's still illegal.

[clocker]

Hardly a fair comparison (although I can certainly see why it would occur to you) since Grandma & Grandpa and Mom & Dad and Little Bobby & Sally were hardly bonging away 25 years ago were they? The diversity of the population that a p2p crackdown would potentially criminalize is much wider than that of marijuana usage. I would imagine that even the most upright citizen could be caught with a copyrighted file ( I know my Mom is guilty!) and how many shots on the evening news of someone's mom or pastor or whatever being perp walked past the cameras for having an illegal copy of Bridget Jones's Diary do you think that the public would stand for? Beating the hell out of Abby Hoffman was one thing- gang banging Grandpa for DL'ing Stan Kenton is another. I hope. For Grandpa's sake. :unsure:

[TIDE-HSV]

Well, I will concede some weight to some of your remarks, but I have some quibbles. For starters, the number of marijuana users in the general populace is many times larger than the number of p2p users. If you don't know that, there's little I can say that would convince you. (Anyway, I thought I recognized the same old guys around here). :lol: Also, there were a lot more kids, parents and even grandparents "bonging away" than you realize. I think where your points have some validity though, in that marijuana is a quite noticeable mood-changer (well maybe p2p is too, but it's not so obvious) and the establishment has been quite successful in presenting it as a gateway to other drugs. I'm not sure that p2p will lead us further into a life of crime. OTOH, p2p users don't advertise themselves with noticeably different appearance or behavior (OK, FC is the exception). The copywright cops have, however, been very efficient as presenting us to the congress and legislatures as greedy zealots out to tear down Mom, apple pie and - Hollywood. So there has been some demonizing of our community. If not, the laws that have been placed on the books wouldn't have been. My heart's with you and I hope you're correct, but my head tells me that the road ahead is going to be a little bumpier.

PS Their technology is also improving rapidly.

[Schmiggy_JK23]

that is is... worst comes to worse, theres always irc and newsgroups... next to nothing they could do about that.

[clocker]

Tide-HSV...Who are the old guys you're referring to? I know that there are lots of marijuana users out there, but as I remember the 60's we were called the Counterculture, a term we embraced because it set us apart from Them ( the Establishment). We wanted to be out of the mainstream and dope smoking was a way to show that ( apart from the more obvious benefits). Today p2p folk ARE the mainstream and blend in without a ripple. I wasn't kidding about Mom and Dad, I've got both of them on K-Lite and they don't even think about it. God might strike them dead should they fire up a doob, but Dl'ing a movie doesn't faze them a bit.
P.S. EVERYBODY'S technology is advancing rapidly. That's the beauty of the age we live in...control of the cutting edge is shared by a far greater % of the populace.

[MagicNakor]

Originally posted by TIDE-HSV@1 April 2003 - 22:01
...For starters, the number of marijuana users in the general populace is many times larger than the number of p2p users...
I'm not sure where you got that information from. It's certainly incorrect.

:ninja:

[TIDE-HSV]

Clocker, I hear you, but I'm not willing to concede that p2p people are quite as mainstream as you apparently believe. I think the technical aspects alone stand in the way. You say that your mom and dad are into it, but you also state that you have been the enabler. Would they have been into it without your help? Don't get me wrong. I wish things were as cut and dried as you have stated them. I just don't think it's true yet. I hope it becomes so. MN, do the math.

[MagicNakor]

Sure. Cite your sources. :)

I don't believe you have any.

:ninja:

[clocker]

The technical aspects?... P2P is really pretty simple (or believe me, I wouldn't be able to figure it out) and only needs to be as technical as you wish to make it. Sure, making the ultimate MP3 rip can get fairly involved ( read Paul's pinned post- I'll figure it out eventually), but just dl'ing a file and playing it back is your basic piece of cake.
Doing the math would be easier with some hard numbers by the way, but I still don't really agree with your basic premise anyway so it's a moot point to me.
"Enabler"?....Jeez, you make me sound like a pusher :lol:

[TIDE-HSV]

Well, you're certainly right that the DLing is the easy part, although that can get complex, depending upon whether or not one knows and uses all of the tools available to speed it up. Without those tools, you're end for pretty snail-like DLs. Also, given a successful DL, just playing it back on your computer is straightforward. If you decide, however, that you'd like to sit in the comfort of your living room, while your movie plays in your DVD player, things get a little more complex, with the encoding, etc. I would refer you to all of the "why can't I" and "why doesn't it work" threads on this site and several others. And - there aren't going to be hard numbers on either classification of users, for obvious reasons.

[OcramC]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@27 March 2003 - 07:52
And, I bet if you cared to look, you'd see most of the files being transferred through ICQ, MSN, AIM, Trillian, etc. are "pirated."

Don't forget that Kazaa also lets you search for legal files. It's all in the use.

:ninja:
3% of all downloads on Kazaa are legal, so f**k you

[clocker]

Tsk, tsk, tsk
Play nice now boys...

[fallenknight308]

I download and share, therefor I am :ph34r:

[MagicNakor]

Originally posted by OcramC+2 April 2003 - 15:13--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OcramC @ 2 April 2003 - 15:13)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--MagicNakor@27 March 2003 - 07:52
And, I bet if you cared to look, you&#39;d see most of the files being transferred through ICQ, MSN, AIM, Trillian, etc. are "pirated."

Don&#39;t forget that Kazaa also lets you search for legal files. It&#39;s all in the use.

:ninja:
3% of all downloads on Kazaa are legal, so f**k you [/b][/quote]
Are you sure? Where are your sources? I can pull random percentages out of the air too.

85% of people think that this thread is no longer relevant.

I am 100% certain you have not searched for every legal file on Kazaa and cross-referenced it with every "illegal" file. You don&#39;t know what a legal or illegal file is. What&#39;s legal on one computer may not be on another.

:ninja:

[clocker]

"I am 100% certain you have not searched for every legal file on Kazaa and cross-referenced it with every "illegal" file. You don&#39;t know what a legal or illegal file is. What&#39;s legal on one computer may not be on another."

I have a signed letter from my mommy that says every file on my HD is totally legal, so I feel safe.


Let her take the fall... :lol:

[MagicNakor]

Hehe, why not? ;) It works for schools.

:ninja:

[clocker]

She&#39;s writing me a new one now...

"Please excuse Clocker from his 3-5 year prison sentence for illegal filesharing. He isn&#39;t feeling well.
Thank you,
Mrs. Clocker"