Verichip..what do you think?

[ruthie]

The FDA approved an implantable microchip for medical purposes. When it's activated, the chip gives an ID number,which then discloses the person's medical history/conditions. This can be pretty useful, but I personally don't want one.
Do you think this will be used for it's intended purpose, or do you think it could go beyond it's intended use?
How do you protect something like this for use as only a medical device?

[hobbes]

Are you worried about the "implantable" aspect of this, or the potential loss of private information.

Meaning, would it make a difference if it were affixed to a medic alert badage vs. implanted.

Or are you just more concerned that people will develop remote scanners that can get access to your private medical records?

[hobbes]

As I think this through, I would imagine that the system could be protected by the Physician scanning your chip, entering his ID and his password, which changes at regular intervals.

This way, stealing your "barcode" does not lead to straight access to the medical record by an outside party.

[ruthie]

I'm not concerned about the implantable aspect of the chip. Private info is another thing. I think this can be very useful in many instances..someone comes in unconscious, delirious, perhaps a patient who can't remember all the meds they are on, etc. If someone needs critical care, it would be quite helpful for the Dr.'s to have information at their fingertips.
i don't think people will develop remote scanners and get access to records.
What concerns me is the potential this technology has, and will it in time be developed or used to provide access to much more then medical records/history.
If they could keep it ethical, it can be a great tool. I still don't want one. LOL

[ruthie]

As I think this through, I would imagine that the system could be protected by the Physician scanning your chip, entering his ID and his password, which changes at regular intervals.

This way, stealing your "barcode" does not lead to straight access to the medical record by an outside party.

That's a good idea.

[Busyman]

The Passwords Are:

Mark Of The Beast

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Rat Faced]

666

:unsure:

[Everose]

I could not agree to having an implant unless these two conditions were met:

The first being that I had a condition wherein it would save my life if the Dr's knew about it in an emergency. The second being that I, and only I had control of the information put on the chip.

Along this same vein, I received an email which was meant to be a joke the other day. It was addressing America's concerns about being able to track illegal or legal aliens in this country, about why we are not able to do this, such as in preventing terrorist activity. The answer given is that we give each alien visiting a cow.

In response to Mad Cow's Disease, we now can tell you what country a cow came from, exactly where it has been while in our country, what it has eaten while here and even what other cows it was housed with.

So the potential for abuse in verichips is present. But the intelligence of the American people in seeing the possibility of abuses and monitoring their use is also present.

But as I said, I want control over information put into my body. I would not trust someone just because they are a Dr. to do this for me.

[vidcc]

Having a password is all well and good if it is your own doctor treating you, in which case surely he would already have your medical records. Without the password any other doctor would find the device of no use, so why have it ? If every doctor has his own password that allows access then securing the data would be as close to impossible as it gets.
On the face of it the idea does seem a good one, bracelets and cards can be lost. But it could be abused. Perhaps in the future babies will be automatically implanted. Perhaps more than medical records would be added and tracking devices. With the thinking of " less freedom to fight terror" it's not such a far off idea.
I can't for the life of me imagine why the need to track every move an ordinary citizen makes would come in useful, but i could see a need for tracking in kidnapping or missing person cases.
So it comes down to personal thought. Even if it was strictly used for non invasive reasons the possibility is there and that goes against everything that "freedom" stands for.

[Rat Faced]

I cant see how these wouldnt be abused, within a few years...

[ruthie]

Kinda reminds me of an old movie...I think it was called Logan's Run.
Personally, I find the idea of a microchip kinda creepy. I also think the potential for abuse is too great...
I don't want to be "scanned". When one has access to any type of record, they have access to all kinds of records. Me?...I'd opt for a medical alert bracelet, but to each their own.

[Mathea]

Kinda reminds me of an old movie...I think it was called Logan's Run.
Personally, I find the idea of a microchip kinda creepy. I also think the potential for abuse is too great...
I don't want to be "scanned". When one has access to any type of record, they have access to all kinds of records. Me?...I'd opt for a medical alert bracelet, but to each their own.
same here.... having a chip with the potential for everything... not for me. I saw this on the news last night and tbh i wasnt surprised... but even if it ever became a mandatory thing i would just stop going to the dr :lol:

[Comic_Peddler]

Kinda of silly, but I am suprised that the religious groups haven't been more vocal about this. Growing up in the heart of the Bible Belt our preachers always said about the end times, a person would not be able to purchase foodstuff and whatnots without an identifing mark, whether a brand of some sort, or a chip implanted under the skin (this was 20 years ago by the way). Along with this there is also the prediction of the one world government at the end times, the U.N. perchance?

[Everose]

I cant see how these wouldnt be abused, within a few years...


:D Ah RF, you are such a dear.

I think this is the main point of concern. I can honestly say I rest better at night knowing Scroff and Ruthe and their website and other people like them will help ensure they are not abused by encouraging people to think. It is important to encourage people to think on their own. For too many years they have been led by others who manipulate with propoganda to control.

It is a real art, to have the ability to present a topic that encourages people to think, as Ruthe has done with this thread.

And she did this without involving my ovaries (or my nationality, which seems to be my biggest thorn). Thanks, Ruthe!!! :lol: :lol:

Damn, what a woman!

[hobbes]

Having a password is all well and good if it is your own doctor treating you, in which case surely he would already have your medical records. Without the password any other doctor would find the device of no use, so why have it ? If every doctor has his own password that allows access then securing the data would be as close to impossible as it gets.

To clarify, the data on the chip would be linked to a national database. The database can be accessed by doctors. Every doctor would have his unique sign in name and unique and changing password.

As for data security, any doctor that uses the system has the accounts he has accessed logged. If an audit discovers that he is viewing patient's files that he is not taking care of, he will be fired. That is not the future, that is now.

But doctors accessing data has never been a real concern, it has been non-medical people getting your private information, that has been the issue.



On the face of it the idea does seem a good one, bracelets and cards can be lost. But it could be abused. Perhaps in the future babies will be automatically implanted.

In todays medico-legal world, patients have far more control over themselves than ever before. Anything done to a patient requires both an authorization (which states that your doctor can talk about you with other doctors) and consents (agreemnet to a procedure).

There will be no slipping of chips into children without a full complement of paperwork.



Perhaps more than medical records would be added and tracking devices. With the thinking of " less freedom to fight terror" it's not such a far off idea.

I have not read the original article. I was hoping that the chip would be exclusively a medical record and not a tracking device. I think this kind of concern could best we handled by making the chips both optional and removable.



So it comes down to personal thought. Even if it was strictly used for non invasive reasons the possibility is there and that goes against everything that "freedom" stands for.

I agree that a tracking device would have a potential for abuse that I would not trust my government with. Medical records only.

[vidcc]

Hobbes.

The thing about any data base is that they are not as secure as we are often led to believe, which was my point.
to the other points we were discussing "possible" abuse of such tech in future. Although as i said it's unlikely it isn't beyond belief

[hobbes]

Hobbes.

The thing about any data base is that they are not as secure as we are often led to believe, which was my point.
to the other points we were discussing "possible" abuse of such tech in future. Although as i said it's unlikely it isn't beyond belief

Yes, but the databases already exist and can be "hacked" by those parties interested. The hope would be to empower these data bases so that your medical records would be available in a crisis situation to the people who need it, regardless of where you are or your abilty to communicate.

I'm sure a motivated person could hack my credit card information, but I am certainly willing to take that chance based on the convenience it provides me.

Patient data is out there, but in order to access it, people would have to commit a criminal act. My father carries his medical record in his wallet, which is a lot less secure than an encrypted and password protected database.

It is a risk/ benefit ratio I am comfortable with. If you are not, certainly you should never be made to carry a chip.

[ruthie]

:D Ah RF, you are such a dear.

I think this is the main point of concern. I can honestly say I rest better at night knowing Scroff and Ruthe and their website and other people like them will help ensure they are not abused by encouraging people to think. It is important to encourage people to think on their own. For too many years they have been led by others who manipulate with propoganda to control.

It is a real art, to have the ability to present a topic that encourages people to think, as Ruthe has done with this thread.

And she did this without involving my ovaries (or my nationality, which seems to be my biggest thorn). Thanks, Ruthe!!! :lol: :lol:

Damn, what a woman!

Thanks, Everose. :) (our ovaries are sacred) :shifty:

[Busyman]

Kinda of silly, but I am suprised that the religious groups haven't been more vocal about this. Growing up in the heart of the Bible Belt our preachers always said about the end times, a person would not be able to purchase foodstuff and whatnots without an identifing mark, whether a brand of some sort, or a chip implanted under the skin (this was 20 years ago by the way). Along with this there is also the prediction of the one world government at the end times, the U.N. perchance?
Amazing isn't it?

Another thing that is funny is that there will be evidence of many of these things unfolding but there will be those who will pass it off as something else.

Don't get me wrong. I'm no fanatic, but at the same time, I will not keep my head in my ass.

[scroff]

can honestly say I rest better at night knowing Scroff and Ruthe and their website and other people like them will help ensure they are not abused by encouraging people to thinkThank you, Everose... :blushing:

[Everose]

Sincerely stated, Scroff. But while we are talking...........dang, there were a lot of wicked adjectives in describing Liberals on your front page......in the email sent by Ruthe's Mom... :( Hate to say, you have probably heard them all before. :lol: Tis really not funny, though. ;)

[scroff]

:) Yea, I've heard it all... if you believe the hate mail we've received, you'd think Ruthie and I are two of the original traitors...
Again, thanks...

[Galloform]

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Hello, Id like to see a doctor.

:D

[Mathea]

:) Yea, I've heard it all... if you believe the hate mail we've received, you'd think Ruthie and I are two of the original traitors...
Again, thanks...
u mean you arent? :unsure:

[scroff]

u mean you arent? :unsure:http://www.anywhichway.net/images/smiles/americanflag.gif No way! We're true blu Merkins!

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[Rat Faced]

I didnt know you were musicians :o