Microsoft Plans Restrictions on Fixes

[iMartin]

Microsoft Corp. plans to severely curtail the ways in which people running pirated copies of its dominant Windows operating system can receive software updates, including security fixes.

The new authentication system, announced Tuesday and due to arrive by midyear, will still allow people with pirated copies of Windows to obtain security fixes, but their options will be limited. The move allows Microsoft to use one of its sharpest weapons — access to security patches that can prevent viruses, worms and other crippling attacks — to thwart a costly and meddlesome piracy problem.

But some security experts said the crackdown also could increase Internet security problems in general, if there is a spike in unsecured computers open to attack, which then could be used to attack others.

David Lazar, a director of the effort, said Microsoft would monitor that potential problem closely. But the company actually considers its authentication requirement one possible way to boost Internet security — countering the idea it may increase threats. That's because pirated copies of Windows could contain viruses or other security threats, he said.

Over the next few months, the software behemoth will begin to more broadly adopt the program, called Windows Genuine Advantage, that urges users to provide proof their Windows copy is authentic before receiving some software updates.

By mid-2005, the program will become mandatory for Windows users to get virtually all updates, including security fixes available through the company's Windows Update Web site. But users who have pirated copies of Windows will be able to continue to get security fixes if they sign up to automatically receive security updates.

Russ Cooper, a senior scientist with Cybertrust Inc., said completely cutting off access to security fixes for pirated machines could cause a spike in malicious, Internet-based attacks. He lauded Microsoft for mitigating that problem by continuing to allow all users to get the automatic updates, regardless of whether they're running pirated versions.

Still, Cooper said he expected Microsoft to eventually cut off that security update avenue for pirated copies. He said the company may feel it has few other options as it tries to stop the millions of users who are running pirated copes of Windows.

The operating system is one of the company's major cash cows, and the move comes as Microsoft is moving aggressively into emerging markets where piracy is thought to be more common.

"The reality is that shareholders of Microsoft would like to see them get all the money they are owed," Cooper said.

Microsoft said the company has no current plans to require users running automatic updates to provide proof that their copies of Windows are genuine.

Lazar said piracy has cost the Redmond-based company "billions of dollars over the past 10 years," but he would not be more specific.

"Our desire is to enhance the value of genuine Windows, to create a differentiation (and) to add more value in the form of greater security and reliability," Lazar said.

Customers who visit the manual Windows Update site will be asked to prove that their copies of Windows are legitimate by allowing Microsoft's system to automatically run a check, or by providing a product identification number. Users who have lost that number will be asked three basic questions, and if they are deemed to be acting in good faith they will be given a free replacement key.

The company also said it will begin providing discounted versions of Windows to users in China, Norway and the Czech Republic who discover they have a counterfeit version of Windows XP (news - web sites).

Rob Enderle, principal analyst with the Enderle Group, is expecting the more stringent authentication system to be successful, as Internet attacks become ever more sophisticated and users with pirated copies of Windows become helpless to stop them.

"It will create an environment where the pirated machines, if they're connected to the Internet, won't really work," he said.

Man...Microsoft is stupid. Oh well, I ain't worried. :01:

[4play]

no microsoft are not stupid. why do they get the blame for not supporting people who have not paid them for it.

blame the pirates for not paying for their software. hell linux is now a viable alternative and is completley free.

I have no sympathy for people who can't afford the latest version of windows. what the hell are they doing with a pc in the first place.

[peat moss]

I was reading something on zed net too. Scary stuff if you don't know what your doing . Wonder how many idiots installed that and ran it? :wacko:

Anouther good reason children , to only use Xp pro corp. :)

[iMartin]

I have no sympathy for people who can't afford the latest version of windows.

Alright...you give me $150 to go out and buy Windows XP, and I'll do it. :dry: Sorry, but not all of us are loaded enough to go out and splurge for a company that already has billions.

[4play]

@imartin but you are loaded enough to be able to afford a monthly fee for the internet. there are free alternatives out there(linux). dont winge about it being too expensive get a cheaper alternative or get a pirated version which you cant update the choice is yours.

[peat moss]

Who says you can't update ? I was one of the idiots who ran the program for a chuckle . Didn't have a problem . And with Key generators out there, you should n't either . When those scum bags release an O/S that the masses can afford , I'll buy it. Last time I looked on here it was Filesharing ! :P

[4play]

stopping pirates getting security updates is not gonna start to mid 2005 according to
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6868504/

I share files as much as the next man/woman but i also give credit where its due. microsoft have made a very good operating system and deserve some recompence for it.

I buy cds, tickets for bands i think deserve it. cinema tickets for films i have watched already at home because i know its worth it. I buy software where a free alternative is not available. i like to try before i buy and thats what filesharing lets you do. so microsoft is going to kill your free ride thats tuff luck.

[peat moss]

@4play , Fair enought I do understand your point . I just think were being gouged for it. As a matter of fact, I consider myself a Microsoft Beta tester what with the shit I'v had to endure since WIN 95 . :lol:

[iMartin]

microsoft have made a very good operating system and deserve some recompence for it.

Yes...because $150 is going to matter so much to a company who holds billions.


but you are loaded enough to be able to afford a monthly fee for the internet

Whoopy-dee-doo, a whole $20/month for internet. Not to metion I also have to pay for my cell phone $45/month, gas in my car $15/week. It all adds up. I could give a flying fuck about poor, poor Bill Gates. :dry:

[4play]

hell i beta tested dos for these bar stewards i think i deserve free updates on any pirate versions of windows i throw at them but its not gonna happen. :-(

Im wondering how long this policy lasts before people rip microsoft to shreads for making an operating system full of holes. Im guessing the bloody nose pr wise they get from this is gonna kill this policy within a month or 2 when the next blaster comes out.

[4play]

Yes...because $150 is going to matter so much to a company who holds billions.



Whoopy-dee-doo, a whole $20/month for internet. Not to metion I also have to pay for my cell phone $45/month, gas in my car $15/week. It all adds up. I could give a flying fuck about poor, poor Bill Gates. :dry:


sorry for the double post but hey shit happens.

is $150 alot to pay for software you use from the second you switch your pc on till the time you switch it off. is $150 alot to pay for the millions of lines of code people had to sit there and write to get this operating sytem up and running.

looks like you are gonna have to use your mobile phone less to be able to afford a proper copy of windows in a few months.

bill gates probably don't need the extra but he just pledged $750 million to help children all around the world so show some respect to the fella.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1508&u=/afp/20050125/hl_afp/whohealthgates_050125020334&printer=1

[tesco]

I agree with 4play's points but...
I'm still not buying another single peice of software ever again. :P

[4play]

rossco == hte linux geek

good on you son :01:

[tesco]

I don't like linux. :lol:
Well I do I guess, but I'm very fortunate for how microsoft has made Windows so easy to use. (well, imo anyway).
Still not paying for it though. And I still don't like microsoft. ;)

[Virtualbody1234]

There are ways to protect your setup other than Windows Update.

[peat moss]

There are ways to protect your setup other than Windows Update.



Well I guess if it really came down to that, you could DL to a clean computer? Then share the fix. Is that what you mean VB ?

[tesco]

Well I guess if it really came down to that, you could DL to a clean computer? Then share the fix. Is that what you mean VB ?
he probably means that you don't need the windows updates, they're more for insecure pcs with no firewall or anything like that.
And stupid users.

[iMartin]

looks like you are gonna have to use your mobile phone less to be able to afford a proper copy of windows in a few months

:lol: :lol: :lol: Hahahahaha...whoa...good one, really got my side hurting on that one :lol: :lol: :lol:

[peat moss]

Just a thought then its bed time for Bonzo . What about a multi-computer household? I have three ! Maybe if they offered a reasonably priced home group license, people would not be so inclined to steal. There is no reason why it should cost $200+ for only one computer.

[iMartin]

Maybe if they offered a reasonably priced home group license, people would not be so inclined to steal. There is no reason why it should cost $200+ for only one computer.

It's Microsoft, do you really think they care about us? As long as they get their money, then it's all good for them

[Shiranai_Baka]

I SAY BOYCOTT THEM RICH SONS OF BI*CHES! (censoring doesn't really help =\)

[4play]

I SAY BOYCOTT THEM RICH SONS OF BI*CHES! (censoring doesn't really help =\)

you have to be joking. microsoft could charge £1000 for their software and people would still pay it because they are now locked into using it.

you play games on your new pc you have to use windows. linux games are scarce and decent video card drivers are even rarer.

[freak]

Meh I don't care I don't trust MS to protect my puter anyways. I'll do that myself... Even if they do limit updates you can get updates from a non official source...

[Ariel_001]

I SAY BOYCOTT THEM RICH SONS OF BI*CHES! (censoring doesn't really help =\)

If you did actually buy the software you don`t have anything to worry about really and I hear that a keygen'ed key will work with the new authentication system.

[Keikan]

meh i don't update anyways

[TheDave]

you ungrateful bar stewards.


i for one am incredibly grateful that although they could easily disable my windows at any time and still be in the right, they turn a blind eye.

i'd like to take this opportunity to say thank you microsoft

[Samurai]

I think some people are forgetting it's not as cheap to get an OS than it is in the US.

I think you need to start checking the UK prices to find out exactly how much we have to pay for it. You'll get a shock.

[tesco]

Meh I don't care I don't trust MS to protect my puter anyways. I'll do that myself... Even if they do limit updates you can get updates from a non official source...
:ohmy: there's an idea.
Why has no one ever setup a better windows update website, or external program for this?

[Livy]

xp home retail is £160. i think oem is about £60

[4play]

:ohmy: there's an idea.
Why has no one ever setup a better windows update website, or external program for this?

getting security updates from a 3rd party is proabably a pretty bad idea.

[fkdup74]

:ohmy: there's an idea.
Why has no one ever setup a better windows update website, or external program for this?

ummm....
because M$ will shut em down or sue em? :lol:
nah j/k...snapfiles offers some M$ updates i think, havent looked in a while :unsure:
but just service packs and such (or i coulda just imagined it, who knows?) :P

either way, its like you or VB said i think, most updates (including SP2)...
are for ppl that dont know how to secure their own pc
so it doesnt bug me that they'll start verification for updates
i dont need em :P
they were nice to have while they were there, but i'll live w/o em
i still aint buying it, i'm building me a $1500+ pc in a few months
but still aint paying for software....fuck that :lol:

and you gotta hand it to M$, theyre just protecting their property
because they KNOW about the piracy, but arent doing much about it
theyre just saying "heres a reward for ppl that actually BOUGHT our software"

[Busyman]

Man...Microsoft is stupid. Oh well, I ain't worried. :01:
What's stupid about MS? That won't auto-update pirated software?

You sound like an MS hater but yet you still use Windows.

[iMartin]

What's stupid about MS? That won't auto-update pirated software?

But some security experts said the crackdown also could increase Internet security problems in general, if there is a spike in unsecured computers open to attack, which then could be used to attack others.

Can you not read?


You sound like an MS hater but yet you still use Windows.

Windows is the only thing I can get my hands on. And I am not the only one in my house that uses this computer, and I'm the only one smart enough to operate Linux/Mac/Lindows/AnythingElse.

Anything else you wish to fire my way?

[4play]

But some security experts said the crackdown also could increase Internet security problems in general, if there is a spike in unsecured computers open to attack, which then could be used to attack others.

Can you not read?


can you please explain to me how microsoft should be held responsible for people who either have not paid them so are illegally using their software or are not tech savvy enough to setup a firewall/use safe computer practices.


Windows is the only thing I can get my hands on. And I am not the only one in my house that uses this computer, and I'm the only one smart enough to operate Linux/Mac/Lindows/AnythingElse.

linux can be downloaded for free, bought for the price of the cds or off the front cover of a $5 computer mag. i cant get my hands on it is a terrible excuse.

true that it would be a pain converting you family to use it but hey it will save you the $179 for a legit copy.

[fkdup74]

and I'm the only one smart enough to operate Linux/Mac/Lindows/AnythingElse.

Anything else you wish to fire my way?

really? hmmm....
then if youre SO smart....
install linux with a GUI and SHOW them how to use it ;)

but that doesnt sound like the real issue here to me... :whistling

[Busyman]

But some security experts said the crackdown also could increase Internet security problems in general, if there is a spike in unsecured computers open to attack, which then could be used to attack others.

Can you not read?



Windows is the only thing I can get my hands on. And I am not the only one in my house that uses this computer, and I'm the only one smart enough to operate Linux/Mac/Lindows/AnythingElse.

Anything else you wish to fire my way?
Oh yeah I read it and still think that offering auto-updates to pirated software is idiotic. Real customers get the vaccines, pirates will die.
I suppose Norton should give a free subscription to it's anti-virus as well. :dry:

Many people don't update properly anyway.

As far as MS hating, it seems the younger generation haven't a clue of what computing was like before and then now.
You actually sound dumb for blaming MS for you having to splurge for their software.......because they have billions. :blink:

All of a sudden MS is the consumers enemy and not the competitor's.

[digmen1]

I can understand Micorsoft for wanting to stop piracy of their OS.

But why don't they sell an upgrade from an older version say 98 or ME to XP cheaper than buying a full new version ! At presnet it is the other way round and Upgrade is dearer than the full version !

At the moment the only advantage to buying a upgrade version is that you can keep all of your programs. But I think its best to reformat your drive and do clean re-install.

Regards
Digby
NZ

[tesco]

I can understand Micorsoft for wanting to stop piracy of their OS.

But why don't they sell an upgrade from an older version say 98 or ME to XP cheaper than buying a full new version ! At presnet it is the other way round and Upgrade is dearer than the full version !

At the moment the only advantage to buying a upgrade version is that you can keep all of your programs. But I think its best to reformat your drive and do clean re-install.

Regards
Digby
NZ
They make the full version cheaper because it is just that...full version.
To install the upgrade version you can still do a clean install and get everything you would form the normal version, but you have to insert a windows ME or 98 or whatever other OS CD before it allows you to install, just to make sure you actually bought an OS before.
the full version is still able to perform an "upgrade" to windows 98 or me (not that I'd recomend doing that, it almost always has bugs).

[Mïcrösöül°V³]

I actually own my copy of XP home edition. I bought the upgrade disc, so if i had to do a clean install, it just asked for an older version to confirm upgrade, so i would just pop in my win 98 disc, and away we go. The upgrade disc was 100 bucks cheaper. ........but i use Xp pro :shifty:
I agree with MS wanting to protect their software, and if I had the money I would go buy XP pro, just to eliminate the possibility of having an OS problem, but i need to buy beer and pay for broadband so I can get more free stuff. :P

[fkdup74]

but i need to buy beer and pay for broadband so I can get more free stuff. :P

:lol:

hey, yeah, i was gonna say...
i always thought the upgrade disc was cheaper :unsure:
like 99 bucks for upgrade, 199 for full version, something like that :huh:

[matt526]

I really don’t think there is much to worry about; I have used Windows XP-Home Addition and Professional, and I think I have done the windows update maybe once in about 2 years ago. And have never had a problem. Off course I have a firewall and Norton’s Antivirus,
On the other hand, I don’t think paying $150-$200 is too much to pay for an Operating system that I use everyday for hours at a time. What would this world be like if not for Bill Gates/MS. Yes he is filthy rich, but who can fault him for that, I just wish it was me :lol: . Bill Gates and all the Windows code writers deserve to get paid for the work they have done.
If you don’t want to pay for Windows XP, than don’t, use a pirated version, I’m sure you can find the updates on some 3rd party web site or maybe on some file sharing network.

But don’t wine and complain about Microsoft cracking down on there software, we all knew it was coming sooner or later. EITHER PAY OR FIND ANOTHER WAY.

[Snee]

Lazar said piracy has cost the Redmond-based company "billions of dollars over the past 10 years," but he would not be more specific.

It hasn't really cost them anything, unless you count the so far ineffective anti-piracy measures they've implemented to stop the pirates. All that has happened is that they've made less money.

And come to think of it, it might actually be that users using pirated copies can't afford it, which will mean that a lot of ppl will be forced to look for an alternative, rather than pay ms.

They really don't care about the users at home anyway, their big source of income is the companies they cater to. And if it hadn't been for half the companies in places like china using pirated windows versions ms might not have bothered.

If it ever comes to ms trying to squeeze a monthly subscription fee out of everyone who is using windows, I hope there'll finally be some major protests, 'cos for them to be selling an OS full of bugs and holes, and then charging people, every month, to fix it, is just insane.

I've spent ages fixing busted installs, legal installs I might add, of win95, win98, Me and XP for relatives, friends, and even myself. And I gotta say that it sometimes feels as if we are paying ms for the opportunity to try and fix whatever mess they've come up with next.

I hope they gaming industry will see this for the problem it might become and start adding linux compatibility to future releases so we can leave this godforsaken OS behind. Linux might not be perfect, but I'll be damned if the distros I've tried haven't been more stable from the get go, while at the same time being free or costing me a fraction of the price of an original MS disc.

[4play]

It has cost microsoft money think of all the bandwidth it takes to give the updates to pirates.
Its cost them lots in lost sales. The problem is people are so used to using windows that they often refuse to use anything else. At uni i have meet other computing students who flat out refuse to use linux because its too difficult or complicated. these people are meant to be learning and should have a good understanding of computers but cant be arsed to learn how to use a new os from scratch.

face it a massive amount of people if forced to either pay for windows or get linux for free would still choose windows.

oh yeah m$ just posted record earning due to increased server sales. they have total sales for the first quater at $10 billion.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002163088_microsoft28.html

[Snee]

Yeah, but lost sales aren't really a cost, it's just less profits, which isn't the same thing. You could in fact say that they make money by having windows available for free for private citizens, since ppl are more likely to be able to use it effectively at the workplace, if they use it at home. Which also will mean that they'll suggest buying windows if they have any say when it's time for the company to upgrade.

You do have a point about the bandwidth, but I'm not sure how big a hit it actually is, especially since they actually gain something by updating even pirated systems, since it means less risk of ddosing to their servers.

It's at the companies the real profits are made anyway, like I said. And using some bandwidth to prevent zombification should be considered an acceptable cost. Even if some of the systems being plugged aren't paid for.

EDit: Linux hard? http://moderation.invisionzone.com/style_emoticons/default/dabs.gif when it comes to advanced settings and stuff sure, but something like suse or mandrake is easy to use as long as you confine yourself to installing and running precompiled software, of which there is plenty.

[Izagaia]

I believe as someone stated earlier regarding XP Corporate versions: they are volume licensed by default. Odds are likely that they contain serial ID coding to enable it so that an unlimited number of copies can be produced and installed. So I am doubting that Microsoft will be able to do much to combat those pirated corp versions. The licenses they sell, allows administrators to produce those copies off the company master for their own use.

Why not simply become more stringent against the use of pirated activation keys instead?

[zapjb]

That nice to hear about VLK/Corp XP Izagaia. Hope it's true.

[peat moss]

I believe as someone stated earlier regarding XP Corporate versions: they are volume licensed by default. Odds are likely that they contain serial ID coding to enable it so that an unlimited number of copies can be produced and installed. So I am doubting that Microsoft will be able to do much to combat those pirated corp versions. The licenses they sell, allows administrators to produce those copies off the company master for their own use.

Why not simply become more stringent against the use of pirated activation keys instead?



That was me , But wth their new bag of tricks, who knows. Heres a quote:

Microsoft designed Product Activation almost solely for individual licenses, so the feature won't affect most corporations, which typically purchase Microsoft products with volume licenses. Microsoft says that it will include Product Activation only in retail Windows XP versions or versions that consumers acquire through PC makers and other OEMs.

[gd3110]

ya ..and I was shit scared of windows activation ..the big security step M$ took bfr launching WinXp.. but thn that was history

[Cheese]

If I had the money spare to buy Windows XP I'd buy something else anyhow. Paying for for an over-priced OS is very very low on my list of priorites. I have a good firewall and good anti-virus and I use Firefox, so I consider myself fairly safe.

I guess I may become more liable to future attacks but I could update through other methods, I'm gussing come this crackdown we'll be able to get updates elsewhere. Of course, I shall be very careful before installing these updates.

Until Bill Gates stops trying to fleece the European market he can go fuck himself if he thinks I'm paying for his bug-ridden software.

I have Linux installed as well before some saddo says go use that instead if you hate M$ so much, I like my games though so I'm kind of stuck having to use XP.

[peat moss]

Funny after shooting my mouth off about have I corp version . Tryed the windows valadation tool . My key failed , I tryed about 50 XP corp sp2 keys after that to no luck. Used Jellybean and Rockxp. Seems they have found a way to block certain PID version's of Xp corp including VLK . Example mine is

xxxxx 644 -xxxxxxx-xxxxx . Found by right clicking my computer , properties .

Quote: With SP1, only the two known leaked keys were blocked. They both generated 640, and crackers assumed ALL 640 keys were blocked. Key generators making corporate keys will always generate codes of 641-649. These keys worked... until now. Microsoft has never used 641-649 in any keys so they disabled them. Service Pack 2 RC1 (current Technical Preview) is unaffected, but all builds after v.2111, including the soon-to-come RC2 and the final public release, will not let you log on if your product ID contains 641-649.
But there are ways to change that too ! :)
Link: for Windows valadation: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/default.mspx

Use at your own risk of cource . I just found it interesting.
;)

[zapjb]

Only 640 PIDs work. Not 644.

[peat moss]

Only 640 PIDs work. Not 644.



Now you tell me . :lol: I should e-mail this post to the 30 odd friends I gave my slipstreamead disk too............ Hey no wonder it's black listed ? Boy Microsoft is are smart. :D Fear not friends ,I'm sure Rossc2004 is working day and nite to help us . Right Ross... Ross? :)

[tesco]

Now you tell me . :lol: I should e-mail this post to the 30 odd friends I gave my slipstreamead disk too............ Hey no wonder it's black listed ? Boy Microsoft is are smart. :D Fear not friends ,I'm sure Rossc2004 is working day and nite to help us . Right Ross... Ross? :)
My key is a 640. :01:
not sure what u want my help with though. :unsure:

[zapjb]

Mine is 640 also.

[Peerzy]

Mine is -645- but i dont bother to update anyway. What key would i need to change it to if i ever did want to update?

[peat moss]

My key is a 640. :01:
not sure what u want my help with though. :unsure:


I'm teasing ! I found a site to change WPA , The free way or Pay if thats what some here what. I'm not going to play Chicken Little just yet tho. I saved a copy of Xp/sp2 slipped streamed , with out the crap . I think we're safe for a little yet and someone will find a cure. They allways do . :)

[peat moss]

Mine is -645- but i dont bother to update anyway. What key would i need to change it to if i ever did want to update?

Its since I updated the windows security patches , last week or so. My jellbean or RockXp key changers won't work .

[Peerzy]

I have Win XP/SP2 slipstreamed but iv only tried it once and after its booted and iv formatted my drive and its copied setup files the pc reboots so it can load up the installer and ask you for your cd and where you live and stuff but it just goes back to the format screen.

Annoying :dry:

[peat moss]

I have Win XP/SP2 slipstreamed but iv only tried it once and after its booted and iv formatted my drive and its copied setup files the pc reboots so it can load up the installer and ask you for your cd and where you live and stuff but it just goes back to the format screen.

Annoying :dry:

My first one I f..'d up too . Afronaut has a good guide here tho !

[tesco]

I have Win XP/SP2 slipstreamed but iv only tried it once and after its booted and iv formatted my drive and its copied setup files the pc reboots so it can load up the installer and ask you for your cd and where you live and stuff but it just goes back to the format screen.

Annoying :dry:
lol.
because once it restarts don't press anything (it says to press a key to boot from cd) and it boots from hard drive and continues installing.

[Adster]

just on internet bills I pay $240 for 3 months for my 512/128 internet connection live in Australia and you Will see what money is

Yes I can afford windows but when you have the opion to pirate it you can't help yoruself

so on that how much do you think a XP OS costs in Australia??

[zapjb]

This is how I chaged mine. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Using the 2K3&XPKeygen.exe (92kb). Open the keyen then choose windows xp pro VLK
then it shows
640-0
640-999999
changeit to
640-500
640-600
then click on generate and use that key.

Heres how I changed my key & PID. First you must have XP VLK only! If you have SP2 installed, you MUST have an XP VLK slipstreamed w/SP2 for my instructions to work. If you're running SP1 or less a regular XP VLK install disk will work. But the upgrade will remove SP1.

Many people won't like this. Bugger off. For the rest have your generated keys by your side. Load your XP install disk into your read only rom. Click on it. Bunch of options blah blah blah. Choose install. Choose upgrade NOT fresh install. It'll go through all the regular rigga moroll. Then it'll say install your product key. Guess which one you'll install? The old sh*tty non 640 PID serial? NO! One of the new shiny generated keys.
Thats it. Let it go through the rest of the install. Done. You might lose some settings but all your data will be there. :01:

[tesco]

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/ballmerwindows.wmv

[peat moss]

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/ballmerwindows.wmv


Oh sure funny boy , here I 'm sitting quietly waiting for a key gen to pop up ! :lol:

[tesco]

Oh sure funny boy , here I 'm sitting quietly waiting for a key gen to pop up ! :lol:
:lol:

sorry. want me to pm you my key?

[Ariel_001]

This is how I chaged mine. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Using the 2K3&XPKeygen.exe (92kb). Open the keyen then choose windows xp pro VLK
then it shows
640-0
640-999999
changeit to
640-500
640-600
then click on generate and use that key.

Heres how I changed my key & PID. First you must have XP VLK only! If you have SP2 installed, you MUST have an XP VLK slipstreamed w/SP2 for my instructions to work. If you're running SP1 or less a regular XP VLK install disk will work. But the upgrade will remove SP1.

Many people won't like this. Bugger off. For the rest have your generated keys by your side. Load your XP install disk into your read only rom. Click on it. Bunch of options blah blah blah. Choose install. Choose upgrade NOT fresh install. It'll go through all the regular rigga moroll. Then it'll say install your product key. Guess which one you'll install? The old sh*tty non 640 PID serial? NO! One of the new shiny generated keys.
Thats it. Let it go through the rest of the install. Done. You might lose some settings but all your data will be there. :01:

Just curious , where did you get your info? :unsure:

[Formula1]

I actually own my copy of XP home edition. I bought the upgrade disc, so if i had to do a clean install, it just asked for an older version to confirm upgrade, so i would just pop in my win 98 disc, and away we go. The upgrade disc was 100 bucks cheaper. ........but i use Xp pro :shifty:
I agree with MS wanting to protect their software, and if I had the money I would go buy XP pro, just to eliminate the possibility of having an OS problem, but i need to buy beer and pay for broadband so I can get more free stuff. :P

LOL yeah same here. My pc (look at sig ) cost 770$ including shipping, my budget was 800 bucks (was supposed to be 700 :X) and well windows xp pro would cost another 150$, so i downloaded the corporate version of XP and it works great :D and i saved alot of money , yay. And the windows xp home edition that came with my family HP PC sucks donkey nuts , i have to do like system recovery every 3 months , totally unstable and it didnt come with the cd....

[Formula1]

Funny after shooting my mouth off about have I corp version . Tryed the windows valadation tool . My key failed , I tryed about 50 XP corp sp2 keys after that to no luck. Used Jellybean and Rockxp. Seems they have found a way to block certain PID version's of Xp corp including VLK . Example mine is

xxxxx 644 -xxxxxxx-xxxxx . Found by right clicking my computer , properties .

Quote: With SP1, only the two known leaked keys were blocked. They both generated 640, and crackers assumed ALL 640 keys were blocked. Key generators making corporate keys will always generate codes of 641-649. These keys worked... until now. Microsoft has never used 641-649 in any keys so they disabled them. Service Pack 2 RC1 (current Technical Preview) is unaffected, but all builds after v.2111, including the soon-to-come RC2 and the final public release, will not let you log on if your product ID contains 641-649.
But there are ways to change that too ! :)
Link: for Windows valadation: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/default.mspx

Use at your own risk of cource . I just found it interesting.
;)


Well i have 640 in the middle part of my sn number when i check my computer propeties... Hopefully i'm not affected this :x



just on internet bills I pay $240 for 3 months for my 512/128 internet connection live in Australia and you Will see what money is

Yes I can afford windows but when you have the opion to pirate it you can't help yoruself

so on that how much do you think a XP OS costs in Australia??

umm about 250-300$ ?

[Adster]

yep thats pretty much the price formula 1

[peat moss]

yep thats pretty much the price formula 1


How about OEM from a white box store ?

[iMartin]

I'll just make my own OS :ph34r:

[tesco]

I'll just make my own OS :ph34r:
lol... :rolleyes:

[fkdup74]

it's cool....M$ can keep windows....
time for....LINUX!!!!!!! :01:
i have already partitioned my drives...played around with a live distro...
now i just gotta get the balls to try a dual boot config & install linux :ph34r:
(my last attempt at a dual boot was baaaaaaad :( )
that was a long time ago though, hopefully i've learned a little since then

of course i'll keep a partition with a windows install for games, etc
locked down....with a chastity belt....
and profilactics in case the chastity belt fails :lol:

[Smith]

no microsoft are not stupid. why do they get the blame for not supporting people who have not paid them for it.

blame the pirates for not paying for their software. hell linux is now a viable alternative and is completley free.

I have no sympathy for people who can't afford the latest version of windows. what the hell are they doing with a pc in the first place.

You try telling that to a single parent whoneeds to work 2 jobs to buy clothing for her child and send her to school. And may only be able to pay 9.95 a month for aol.

Circumstances change everthing my friend...

[iMartin]

Circumstances change everthing my friend...

Thank. You.

[Snee]

You try telling that to a single parent whoneeds to work 2 jobs to buy clothing for her child and send her to school. And may only be able to pay 9.95 a month for aol.

Circumstances change everthing my friend...
Why would this single parent spend money on a computer, or on aol?

It's possible to survive without access to the internet in your home, you know.
A majority of the earth's population does just that, right now.

[iMartin]

It's possible to survive without access to the internet in your home, you know.
A majority of the earth's population does just that, right now.

Not in the USA. Of all the people I know, I can count every person who doesn't have a computer on one hand.

[Snee]

Well, if they need two jobs to support their aol habit, then maybe they ought to reconsider their priorities.

[Ariel_001]

It looks like some people are crying because they can’t update their pirated software.

Am I right?

[Snee]

I guess some were, and then there were others who had other complaints.


EDit: Errm, zap, you do know that that's not necessary just to change your key, right?

What exactly happens when you do that, apart from the key change?


Swapping your key after you've generated one is easy as fuck, so there has to be another reason you do all that, right?

[tesco]

Not in the USA. Of all the people I know, I can count every person who doesn't have a computer on one hand.
me too. I know 3 people (1 person at school, and 2 family members).

[Adster]

it's cool....M$ can keep windows....
time for....LINUX!!!!!!! :01:
i have already partitioned my drives...played around with a live distro...
now i just gotta get the balls to try a dual boot config & install linux :ph34r:
(my last attempt at a dual boot was baaaaaaad :( )
that was a long time ago though, hopefully i've learned a little since then

of course i'll keep a partition with a windows install for games, etc
locked down....with a chastity belt....
and profilactics in case the chastity belt fails :lol:

was teh fan too big :P

I might be lucky the errrrr pirated version of XP i have never was black marked didn't need to change keys

[zapjb]

Try it your way then Snny.

[peat moss]

@ zapjb, Just did mine , piece of cake! I had to reinstall Diskeeper ,but everything is great. PID and Serial # changed to legit ones . Thanks again . :)



Edit: Of course I had to redownload the newer winupdates . :dry:

[tesco]

@ zapjb, Just did mine , piece of cake! I had to reinstall Diskeeper ,but everything is great. PID and Serial # changed to legit ones . Thanks again . :)



Edit: Of course I had to redownload the newer winupdates . :dry:
yup that's what repair install does... everything that's part of windows is set back to the version on your cd. :P

[peat moss]

@Roscco, Goes to show you how many times I'v done a repair install. :D
Heres the link again , I passed this time :

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows/default.mspx

[Izagaia]

It all makes me wonder:

exactly what is the numerical breakdown of the money that is paid-out at the retail level for each copy of Windows XP (or any software in general requiring a license) sold? Meaning what portion of that $149 USD price tag for Windows XP Professional SP2 goes into the expenses paid in creating/developing it? What portion does Microsoft and the retailer take to the bank? How is the retail determined when the product reaches international markets? Silly questions/curiosities, mind you... though probably not so silly are the answers to them. Probably quite sad really.

[Snee]

Try it your way then Snny.
I don't need to, 'cos I installed it with a valid serial (-640-) that's still working.

But the question was what else happens when you do the repair install, rather than just forcing xp to bring up the offline registration/keychanging menu. :unsure:

[zapjb]

Don't know, don't care. Just know that I tried other ways after SP1 & lots of hot fixes. They did not work anymore. This does.

[fkdup74]

It all makes me wonder:

exactly what is the numerical breakdown of the money that is paid-out at the retail level for each copy of Windows XP (or any software in general requiring a license) sold? Meaning what portion of that $149 USD price tag for Windows XP Professional SP2 goes into the expenses paid in creating/developing it? What portion does Microsoft and the retailer take to the bank? How is the retail determined when the product reaches international markets? Silly questions/curiosities, mind you... though probably not so silly are the answers to them. Probably quite sad really.

i dont know the absolute truth of what i am about to say, but....
had one of my old bosses tell me once...
(and he is a wise old fkr too, so this may have some merit)
that the basic rule of thumb in business is:
if you cant make at least 70% profit it isnt worth doing

so, i dont know, use that for a guideline to a guesstimate i guess :P
going by that ....70% 0f $149 is $104 - thats bills profit, what he puts in the bank
:ohmy:
:P

[peat moss]

I don't need to, 'cos I installed it with a valid serial (-640-) that's still working.

But the question was what else happens when you do the repair install, rather than just forcing xp to bring up the offline registration/keychanging menu. :unsure:


Not all of us are that comfortable using a manual registry work around, to force WPA to change the key . I admit I'm lazy. I don't mind editing the Registry . But why when this works and Is so simple my grannie could do it .

[zapjb]

So you did as I suggested peat moss?

[peat moss]

So you did as I suggested peat moss?


Oh ya worked like a dream ! :)

[zapjb]

Excellent!

[Ariel_001]

Someone is going to mention this sooner or later so it might as well be me. :)

RockXP (http://www.snapfiles.com/viewapp.php?id=107701&a=7121817)

http://img180.exs.cx/img180/9702/rockxp6li.png

[zapjb]

Tried it didn't work.

[peat moss]

Excellent!


Ya zapjb I can't wait to share it . Like I said in an early post I must of gave 30 copies of my old 640 one away to friends and family . This time tho I'll just give them a slipstream copy and make a different key . Why keeping using the same one. They give to 10 friends and so on and so on ! :) I'm sure that helps to get a key black listed . You know it might never come to Micro$oft deny us a chance to patch our sink hole O/S . But I'm like Izagaia, I'm curious and like things to work the way they should. :)

[peat moss]

Someone is going to mention this sooner or later so it might as well be me. :)

RockXP (http://www.snapfiles.com/viewapp.php?id=107701&a=7121817)

http://img180.exs.cx/img180/9702/rockxp6li.png




I said in an earler post that "ALL THE OLD" programs don't seem to work with the latest sp2 patch . Tryed JellyBean? Same problem .

Edit : Sorry should of said won't work with the latest windows update.

[zapjb]

My post should get pinned. Hint, hint.

[peat moss]

My post should get pinned. Hint, hint.


I'll second that with a assist to The thread starter for all the shit and abuse he took for posting this thread . What a fuking joke ! Hey set up a PayPal when some come looking for help , because their copy may be useless . Oh well zapjb
you tried , all one could ask. Do people really think we're that stupid we can't change our Fucking windows Keys. I'm insulted.



Edit: Oh of cource iMartin , started this thread . Some one who has more verified links than post's . Thanx bud ! :)

Link: http://www.maxpc.co.uk/features/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=33808&subsectionid=736&subsubsectionid=608

[Adster]

not to mention this is a filesharing forum not a we are all sinners and pirates here

if your not a filesharing pirate why are you on this forum ?? hehehe

[fkdup74]

ok, so what are you guys seeing at the update site?
or has it not been implemented yet?
because i went to check it out last night just for shits n giggles....
(i really give a fk, im moving to linux :lol: )
but it didnt give me any hassle :huh:
(i have never changed my key)

[Expire]

I agree with 4play's points but...
I'm still not buying another single peice of software ever again. :P

Amen

[iMartin]

Edit: Oh of cource iMartin , started this thread . Some one who has more verified links than post's . Thanx bud ! :)

Thanks...I try :blushing:

[Snee]

Not all of us are that comfortable using a manual registry work around, to force WPA to change the key . I admit I'm lazy. I don't mind editing the Registry . But why when this works and Is so simple my grannie could do it .
Well I could do it manually, but I don't have to, at least not when swapping keys on sp1 systems (haven't tried it post- sp2), there's this old keylist that was still working when I tried it.

Basically what it does is that it first lists a bunch of keys (not valid any more), then it pops open the menu you need for offline re-registration, and/or for changing keys without doing the reinstall, or something. Then all you need to do is to enter your new key, where it asks for it.

At any rate it's something that's built into xp already, all you need is to force it. And it's quick and harmless too, but like I said I don't know if it works any more.


It does this for you (http://labmice.techtarget.com/windowsxp/articles/changeID.htm), ie, it brings up the menu that lets you do this:
Click Yes, I want to telephone a customer service representative to activate Windows, and then click Next Click Change Product Key (at the bottom)
Enter your valid Corporate Product Key
Press Update and close the window. (without you having to do any reghacking at all yourself).

[Mïcrösöül°V³]

Hmm, odd, cuz magical jellybean changed my key with SP2 installed.

[TheDave]

i was just scanning this thread and came up with a theory.

if microsoft just banzored all the pirated versions now and we had the choice of linux or paying £160 for windows, many many people would choose linux. even if it was just a trial period to see if they can get by without windows.

then software developers would engineer their games and apps to work with the now* significant, growing market of linux.

because of the idea of a free OS with quite a few of the best games and apps out there, people will choose it over windows.

within a few years windows will be confined to history as theres accessible free realistic alternatives. that will probably stay free cos linux is open-source (i think)



therefore, for microsoft to crack down on pirates is suicide. if they lose their monopoly, they lose everything.

http://moderation.invisionzone.com/style_emoticons/default/icke.gif

[Virtualbody1234]

Hmm, odd, cuz magical jellybean changed my key with SP2 installed.
That worked for me also. I Just changed it with Magical Jelly Bean. I didn't need to do any repair install.

I would like to thank zapjb for his help! The keygen works great. http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/thmbup.gif

[iMartin]

I have no need to change my key....yet. But thanks for the heads up on that Jelly Bean thing.

[peat moss]

That worked for me also. I Just changed it with Magical Jelly Bean. I didn't need to do any repair install.

I would like to thank zapjb for his help! The keygen works great. http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/thmbup.gif


Yes ,zapjb helped me aswell . :cool:

Edit: Jellybean didn't work for me tho. Guys remember the devils own key the FUK.... one? Thats the original key I had ,changed many times tho. :D

[Snee]

That particular keygen may actually come in handy (my key is valid n' all, but it doesn't hurt to have an unlimited supply), so thanks for that, zap.

(Now I just need to find it)

[tesco]

Yes ,zapjb helped me aswell . :cool:

Edit: Jellybean didn't work for me tho. Guys remember the devils own key the FUK.... one? Thats the original key I had ,changed many times tho. :D
FCKGW. :P
I think. :unsure:

[Snee]

...-RHQQ2- :unsure:

[4play]

has anyone else noticed the little box on the windows update site that says


Windows XP support on Windows Update will soon require XP SP1 or later
What can you do now to ensure that you get Service Pack 2?
What to know before you install Windows XP Service Pack 2


Im guessing they are no longer going to allow security updates for people who dont already have sp1 installed which did exclude a few of the widely pirated corp keys.

looks like there is nothing to see here move along people :)

[tesco]

has anyone else noticed the little box on the windows update site that says



Im guessing they are no longer going to allow security updates for people who dont already have sp1 installed which did exclude a few of the widely pirated corp keys.

looks like there is nothing to see here move along people :)
ya i noticed that too.
I had to pay more attention to the old one that said no more support for sp2 RTM release. :P
I had that on my oldest computer and didn't notice.

[peat moss]

There's a new story here . Funny too .

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-5561113.html?tag=nl.e540-2


This seems confusing! Quote: Those with unlicensed copies of Windows will be blocked from getting both add-ons to the OS and security patches through Microsoft's download site (though they will still be able to use the Automatic Update feature built into Windows). :huh:

[iMartin]

MS is intelligent, I'm telling you.

[peat moss]

MS is intelligent, I'm telling you.


Yeppers , I never trusted the auto update ! :unsure:

[zapjb]

I'd be concerned if I didn't have XP VLK w/a 640 PID.

[peat moss]

I'd be concerned if I didn't have XP VLK w/a 640 PID.


I see what you mean . :lol: But I like to pick them , they can be very confusing .

[bigdawgfoxx]

This is how I chaged mine. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Using the 2K3&XPKeygen.exe (92kb). Open the keyen then choose windows xp pro VLK
then it shows
640-0
640-999999
changeit to
640-500
640-600
then click on generate and use that key.

Heres how I changed my key & PID. First you must have XP VLK only! If you have SP2 installed, you MUST have an XP VLK slipstreamed w/SP2 for my instructions to work. If you're running SP1 or less a regular XP VLK install disk will work. But the upgrade will remove SP1.

Many people won't like this. Bugger off. For the rest have your generated keys by your side. Load your XP install disk into your read only rom. Click on it. Bunch of options blah blah blah. Choose install. Choose upgrade NOT fresh install. It'll go through all the regular rigga moroll. Then it'll say install your product key. Guess which one you'll install? The old sh*tty non 640 PID serial? NO! One of the new shiny generated keys.
Thats it. Let it go through the rest of the install. Done. You might lose some settings but all your data will be there. :01:

why do we have to do an upgrade with the windows cd? Cant we just generate the cd key for 640 then use rockxp to change it?

[Formula1]

That's what i was also wondering... ?

[bigdawgfoxx]

ok i followed zapjb's instructions but instead of doing the repair i just used rockxp and changed it and now it says 640 in the 3 digit number! yay

[zapjb]

If you found easier way, more power to yas. Party on!

[alienkitten]

Hmmm... WGE still doesn't believe me. Let's try a browser reset.

[peat moss]

Hmmm... WGE still doesn't believe me. Let's try a browser reset.


There are work a rounds, use the search button kitty . ;) Welcome by the way.