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Everose
02-23-2005, 02:35 AM
Gum Tax (http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,2763,1420222,00.html?=rss)


DADGUMMIT!!!!! Why must it be America's fault that you have gum on your streets? :lol:

Is the gum getting to be this big of a problem for maintenance? How do they figure the exact cost of cleaning up gum in streets?

Cheese
02-23-2005, 02:47 AM
Sounds like a good idea if the money does go towards cleaning up. The streets are disgusting in places here because of gum.

I always throw my gum in the bin.

If gum is to be reclassified as litter does that mean on-spot fines will be enforced on people who spit their gum onto the pavement? I hope so....

TheDave
02-23-2005, 03:03 AM
i think the solution is attaching miniguns to the cctv in town centres then turning anyone chewing gum into a bloody mulch

Cheese
02-23-2005, 03:13 AM
Encouraging swallowing may also help...

TheDave
02-23-2005, 03:17 AM
yeah, its never actually tied my intestines in a knot


edit.... oh :smilie4:

Everose
02-23-2005, 03:17 AM
Are cigarette butts classified as litter there?

I always thought anything you threw on the ground that should be put in a trashcan was litter, and I would include gum and cigarette butts in this. We do get fined for littering, but it is hard to police all places at all times.

A lot of gum on the ground would be irritating. Some places here may have a problem with this, too, and I have just not read of it.

Where do you stop the taxing for the clean up? I see a lot of plastic shop bags, such as walmart bags at times.....do we tax those?

Are you not already paying a city tax for street maintenance?

Everose
02-23-2005, 03:20 AM
i think the solution is attaching miniguns to the cctv in town centres then turning anyone chewing gum into a bloody mulch



:lol: You could probably mulch, and the gum still be the only thing left.....on the street.

Cheese
02-23-2005, 03:23 AM
Are cigarette butts classified as litter there?

I always thought anything you threw on the ground that should be put in a trashcan was litter, and I would include gum and cigarette butts in this. We do get fined for littering, but it is hard to police all places at all times.

A lot of gum on the ground would be irritating. Some places here may have a problem with this, too, and I have just not read of it.

Where do you stop the taxing for the clean up? I see a lot of plastic shop bags, such as walmart bags at times.....do we tax those?

Are you not already paying a city tax for street maintenance?

There was talk of some sort of tax for shopping bags if I remember correctly.
:unsure:

sparsely
02-23-2005, 03:58 AM
ludicrous.

Busyman
02-23-2005, 04:22 AM
Encouraging swallowing may also help...
I hate when she spits it out. :no:

vidcc
02-23-2005, 05:21 AM
I am a great believer in making those that pollute/litter responsible for cleaning up their mess. If the money goes directly to cleaning up gum from inconsiderate idiots then I say fair game. This includes funds for awareness advertising and policing. I do however wonder if some may think that they have the right to spit the gum on the pavement because they pay the tax for cleaning it up.... I bet quite a few of us know at least one person like that.

lynx
02-23-2005, 11:09 AM
If it costs about £150M per year to clean up, that's about £4 per adult.

When you consider that only about 10% of the population regularly chew gum (and that figure is probably way on the high side) that works out at £40 per gum chewer. I bet they would be a little more considerate if they were asked to pay that amount.


There was talk of some sort of tax for shopping bags if I remember correctly.I may be wrong, but I believe that supermarkets in France charge for shopping bags. I don't know if this is a tax or simply a way of reducing costs while showing themselves to be socially responsible.

Virtualbody1234
02-23-2005, 11:53 AM
Put the tax on the gum at the sale point. At least the people who don't chew gum won't have to pay.

I think the best solution is to catch the offenders and make them pay a fine and spend some of their time cleaning.

manker
02-23-2005, 11:58 AM
Originally Posted by Withcheese
There was talk of some sort of tax for shopping bags if I remember correctly.

I may be wrong, but I believe that supermarkets in France charge for shopping bags. I don't know if this is a tax or simply a way of reducing costs while showing themselves to be socially responsible.I do believe that Kwiksave still charge for bags - 3p for the good ones and 1p for the ones that break - this seems like a good incentive for recycling but not a form of taxation, as such.

Another incentive I remember was that Sainsburys gave a penny discount for each shopping bag that you re-used the next time you visited their store. It seems like Sainsburys had purer intentions than Kwiksave, but then their produce is usually three times as expensive.


To the topic - I think a chewing gum tax is an excellent idea. Provided it was actually used to get the stuff off our streets and not merely pooled with other tax revenues. Everose asked how the actual cost in removing all the gum could be ascertained. I wouldn't knolw the answer but I suspect it would be fairly expensive to do on a large scale and to incorporate this into the price for chewing gum may prove unrealistic.

I remember having to clean it off school desks as a punishment in school, it's practically impossible :dry:

Cheese
02-23-2005, 12:08 PM
They should breed pigeons and seagulls that can eat and digest chewing gum. Finally a use for these flying vermin.:01:

Everose
02-23-2005, 01:59 PM
That is being creative, WithCheese! :D

Vidcc had a point where he stated that there will always be the attitude that 'I pay for street maintenance, so why not?' I hear this attitude a lot but don't like the personal responsiblity it takes out of things.

I guess I am left wondering... what next? If we have a problem with facial tissue on the streets......do we penalize those who use it and toss it versus those that don't? Tax on tissues? :D

Will this be a nationwide tax? What if there are areas of totally responsible
gum chewers? Not a spot of gum on their streets. Do these people pay the extra price for chewing gum, also?

Cheese
02-23-2005, 02:15 PM
Will this be a nationwide tax? What if there are areas of totally responsible
gum chewers? Not a spot of gum on their streets. Do these people pay the extra price for chewing gum, also?

They will be reimburshed upon providing the local council with receipts for each packet of gum bought.

The argument "I pay for street maintenance, so why not?" can be some what negated by on-spot fines for littering. Tell the council they can keep some of the proceeds for other spendings and they'll horde the streets with 'Litter Monitors'...

Snee
02-23-2005, 02:23 PM
If it costs about £150M per year to clean up, that's about £4 per adult.

When you consider that only about 10% of the population regularly chew gum (and that figure is probably way on the high side) that works out at £40 per gum chewer. I bet they would be a little more considerate if they were asked to pay that amount.

I may be wrong, but I believe that supermarkets in France charge for shopping bags. I don't know if this is a tax or simply a way of reducing costs while showing themselves to be socially responsible.
They've charged us for shopping bags in supermarkets and similar for as long as I can remember.

How are they cleaning the gum up?
It'd be really cool if they went around spraying liquid nitrogen on every stray piece of gum and then bashed it, or something.

I like the idea of a chewing gum tax, mostly because I hardly ever buy any myself.

Busyman
02-23-2005, 02:36 PM
Gum Tax (http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,2763,1420222,00.html?=rss)


DADGUMMIT!!!!! Why must it be America's fault that you have gum on your streets? :lol:

Is the gum getting to be this big of a problem for maintenance? How do they figure the exact cost of cleaning up gum in streets?
Where does "America's fault" come in? :blink:

Cheese
02-23-2005, 02:39 PM
Where does "America's fault" come in? :blink:

If you read the article it claims that Americans invented gum as we know it and brought it over with them during WWII.


The original gum-chewers were the ancient Mayans (also the first tobacco smokers), but it took an American, one Thomas Adams, to massmarket chicle, the sap from the sapota tree, in the 19th century and make a mint out of it. And it was American GIs who first got the British hooked on the product when they invaded Europe in the second world war. Ever since, the commercial imperatives of the gum peddlers have prevailed over the rights to silence and smooth progress of the pedestrian Briton.

Snee
02-23-2005, 02:44 PM
America is the root of all that's evil. :happy:

lynx
02-23-2005, 02:46 PM
They should breed pigeons and seagulls that can eat and digest chewing gum. Finally a use for these flying vermin.:01:

It'd be really cool if they went around spraying liquid nitrogen on every stray piece of gum and then bashed it, or something.
Why not use the gum to stick down the pigeons and seagulls, then spray the whole lot with liquid nitrogen.

You don't get gum on your shoes because it is neatly covered by a pest, and you could turn the "bashing" into some sort of sport. 2 problems solved and recreational exercise at the same time. :01:

Snee
02-23-2005, 02:48 PM
Why not use the gum to stick down the pigeons and seagulls, then spray the whole lot with liquid nitrogen.

You don't get gum on your shoes because it is neatly covered by a pest, and you could turn the "bashing" into some sort of sport. 2 problems solved and recreational exercise at the same time. :01:
That is, quite possibly, the best idea I've ever read.