Settle The Download Speed Issue Once And For All

[akitotinkawa2]

:D First off i want to say that i have a 56k modem and have been able to download consistantly at over 40k per second. all other people have said that 56 k can only download at 5-6k per second it is the other way around you can only upload at 5-6k p/s but can download almost as fast ass the other person can send it. It depends on the bandwith the higher the bandwith the faster the download. yesterday i was able to download the entire final destination 2 movie that was 300,000 k in about 2 hours. so if you have a 56k you can download just as fast as dsl or t1 as long as your downloading from a higher bandwith. So that should settle it I work for general dynamics and know alot on the subject so if you have questions or replies just post them.

[zolaisugly]

look likes you got a ggod thing there i got ntl 128 cable modem and can only get max download 15-19k/ps as this is what i am used to i got no real probs a movie like gangs of new york would take me 2 days by leaving it on all time

[Virus!!!]

BULLSHIT

Oh by the way i work 4 NASA

& thats BULLSHIT aswell

regards

VIRUS!!!

[Acecool]

It depends

If the file has no data you will be able to get it alot faster

But 56k is over phone, so is dsl BUT if your on a 56k account your isp sends only 5-6kbs max, maybe 7


because thats all it can handle without being instable

[GamerTrainer]

Yeah, my dial-up's fastest connection is just up to 26,400bps (bits per second)! The heck.

[akitotinkawa2]

Did any of you read what i justwrote? Especially the guy that called it bull shit. I said it depends on the bandwith. 88 bandwith is usualy you downloading from a 56k modem 100-150 is 128 150-250 dsl 300 and up is t1 please pay attention to that i guarentee you download from a higher bandwith you will get better download speeds
AkitoTinkawa

[Skillian]

Hmm... good luck convincing people.


i guarentee you download from a higher bandwith you will get better download speeds
True up to a point.



so if you have a 56k you can download just as fast as dsl or t1 as long as your downloading from a higher bandwith.

Little bit sceptical about that one... ;)

[lunatacs]

hmm, I think you can only download depending on how fast the other side can upload, yes, but the date you download is limited to the connection your using, such as 56k. No way, you be able download faster then your 56k limited bandwith allows you too, unless your 56k modem is uncapped. :lol: :rolleyes: :D

[Jibbler]

This thread may be the biggest waste of bandwidth on this board. 56k can only download at speeds of up to 56kbps, actually less, but l'm not going to go into the specifics of it. The speed can fluctuate higher or lower, based on the source that you are downloading from.

If 56k were as fast as DSL or T1, then why would anyone spend the money for a broadband connection? :o :huh:

[The Great Dude]

Originally posted by Jibbler@5 April 2003 - 00:01
If 56k were as fast as DSL or T1, then why would anyone spend the money for a broadband connection? :o :huh:
That's right. akitotinkawa2, you seem to be exaggerating the 56k modem.

[Wolfmight]

56k=EXTREME STRESS AND NOT WORTHY OF USEING FOR THE INTERNET!!!

:blink:
:blink:
:blink:
:blink:
first time i got broadband, i was able to actually browse webpages like they were already downloaded
amazing
:rolleyes: Defenently worth the extra price in bill (you get more for your money)

[foursecondpin]

akitotinkawa2 YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD!!!

[lunatacs]

akitotinkawa2 YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD!!!


relax!


Maybe his 56k plus, is special.

[Yusuke]

56 kbps can only download at max 7 kB/s, but the government or maybe FCC (in the usa at least, dunno bout others) only allows a max connection of 53.3, so your max download would be about 6.5 but the likelyhood of one actually getting that isn't to likely, cause of line noise and some other factors, one would most like get around 5-6 kB/s... And nothnig will make that go any faster, short of going to broadband cause it's a limitation of the modem

Kazaa reports with a little b which is bits, but it actually means big b which is bytes, it's just a bug in the program and there are 8 bits in a byte, so divide the kbitsps by 8 and see what you get, that'll be the kbytesps and is what kazaa (and most browsers when you download with them) show

[DarthInsinuate]

akitotinkawa2 i recommend you check your computer, someone might have upgraded you to broadband without telling you, check your bills because they could be taking alot of money off you

also while you're checking round the back of things, check your arse, it seems to be talking

like Yusuke said 56k means max d/l 7kB/s
because: 56k = 56000BITS, 8bits to a byte so: 7000bytes

[-L!qU!d-]

This is immposible! You don't have a rocket-connection my friend it's just a 56k modem!


WAKE UP
:P ;)

[sk8punk151]

There are ways to override the governemnt FCC thing.. My friend was telling me how if u say u live in a different country to the modem, it will go A LOT faster, but I heard that its really illegal.. but i dont know.. I think this is guy is on crack cocaine personally :)

[zapjb]

Original posters confused over bits & bytes. 40/8=5 true dl speed. Simple.

[Fatal Error]

Originally posted by Jibbler@4 April 2003 - 23:01
This thread may be the biggest waste of bandwidth on this board. 56k can only download at speeds of up to 56kbps, actually less, but l'm not going to go into the specifics of it. The speed can fluctuate higher or lower, based on the source that you are downloading from.

If 56k were as fast as DSL or T1, then why would anyone spend the money for a broadband connection? :o :huh:
Yup.. I forget Jibbler..but isnt a 56k modem capped at around 53K?
Not that you would even get close to that under optimal conditions, because of issues beyond the users control such as phone Co. internal routing and switching systems,relays,wire type & guage.. and a host of other things.. the only way around it is to get off the phone line.. ;) Or get a broadband connection. :D

Edit: typo

[imtoshort]

Originally posted by lunatacs@5 April 2003 - 06:09

akitotinkawa2 YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD!!!


relax!


Maybe his 56k plus, is special.
at least hes being honest......

[Fatal Error]

Originally posted by sk8punk151@5 April 2003 - 19:41
There are ways to override the governemnt FCC thing.. My friend was telling me how if u say u live in a different country to the modem, it will go A LOT faster, but I heard that its really illegal.. but i dont know.. I think this is guy is on crack cocaine personally :)
I think your probably right (about your friend) I would suggest you read these (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/bb/index.php?act=ST&f=30&t=21829&st=0&#entry141417) before you even contemplate such a thing.. unless you want to wind up in jail.

[kylman5000]

You should specify bytes or bits. Because if you download 40k bits per seconds than thats only 5k bytes per seconds.

So you could be right. Why not, to help us all out, go to bandwidthplace.com and take their speed test, and post your results.


...download almost as fast ass the other person...he he, you said ass.

[junkyardking]

Is it possible to uncap a 56k modem?
I would like to know.

And i have got speeds of 30-40k on the 56k but found out this was because of a fake file which had blank frames?

[junkyardking]

im on 56k but if you have cable broadband heres a program that will uncap it, but be warned you might lose your connection
http://www.cablemodemhack.com/

[Blue_Seraphim]

This topic has about as much of a point as this post

[Pho3niX]

now that what arrive when we dont use corect units

your mobem is 56Kilo bits wish is the same a 7kilo bytes
one byte is 8 bits

so when you download at 40k, you downlad at 40kbits not 40kbytes
Problem solved

[kylman5000]

now that what arrive when we dont use corect units

your mobem is 56Kilo bits wish is the same a 7kilo bytes
one byte is 8 bits

so when you download at 40k, you downlad at 40kbits not 40kbytes
Problem solved which is excatly what i said. Please dont post things twice

[bigdawgfoxx]

whoever made this post...RETARD ur lines would burn up going that fast! what the fuck....amen to the man who said "if 56k was just as good why would people be spending exstra for DSL" i have dsl and it ROCKS 56k SUCKS dsl is wayy worth a little exstra money

[Jibbler]

Looking back on this thread, I wonder if the original poster has a DSL connection, but maybe he thinks its a 56k. They both work over the phone lines so I suppose it could be possible to confuse the two, especially if you are a newbie. Like supernewbie. No, more like a mega-super-newbie. :lol:

[Skillian]

But he works for General Dynamics and knows a lot about the subject. He told us this! :lol:

I just want him to come back and reply on this thread.

[Fatal Error]

Originally posted by Skillian@11 April 2003 - 22:42
But he works for General Dynamics and knows a lot about the subject. He told us this! :lol:

I just want him to come back and reply on this thread.
LMAO !! LOL .. I hear ya. The guy that wrote the articles that I pointed him to in a previous post IS a MODEM engineer and has been for quite a few years. I just came back to this post out of sheer curiosity.. I thought this issue had already been resolved... a long time ago. ;)

[sh2dak]

actually, the original poster was right, i downloaded the matrix reloaded (i found out it didnt work afterwards) at over 35kb a second, it was always over 35kb, u just need a high bandwidth, i found out that if u find more sources from the user the bandwidth u r downloading at from that user will increase by hundreds even thousands at times, u just have to look for it.

and no, i am not a retard.

[Skillian]

So are you gonna take over from this guy and say all broadband users are being fooled! :lol:

As someone said earlier it's possible with a fake cos the file is just actually blank frames, but the original poster wasn't right I'm afraid.

[lawks]

:o I can't believe how stupid people are. If you are going at 40 kb/sec then theres a bug somewhere! You are limited to how fast you can go because you are on a crappy phone line that cant handle fast transfer rates hence why people upgrade to broadband!! Why do you think broadbands about? The max i could ever go at was about 5.5 kb/secs. It makes absolutely no difference if you download from someone who has the fastest ever connection in the whole world, you will still be limited because your poor little phone line cant go any faster!

Maybe if youre on some sort of cable modem that goes at 56 k and you have a crack for it tne maybe yes, you might be able to go faster i dont know, but I certainly know a lot about modems and have downloaded things from people with very fast connections and i couldnt get over 5.5 kb/sec. Believe me I have suffered with a modem for a long time!

The reason the original poster hasnt come back is because he probably feels so stupid!

If it was true then there wouldnt be all these people posting here about how you cant!

People who go on the net really should have some sort of understanding about how their modem works and their limitations:p

[sh2dak]

yeh, guess so, im jus in denial.
sigh.
Dumb modem, sometimes u have to wonder, theres all this technology hacks, etc, and i cant even get my speed higher than a measily 5 f*****g kB.

its a mixed up world, i mean computer world out there.

[RealitY]

STOP NOW!!!!

Seems this post has gotten way to much attention...
This must be a prank to see how high you all can jump.
BOING, BOING.

This is actually funny in a "retard" type of way!!!!

Hay ya kna wht...
My 14.4 dl at a "BILLION" kb/ms (ms=millisecond)

Wat da ya sy ta tat.

[3RA1N1AC]

my 14.4 is so fast, it's capable of downloading physical objects. a corvette popped out of the modem this morning.

and i won the nobel prize for science, so i know what i'm talking about.

[3RA1N1AC]

akitotinkawa2 must be a brain surgeon in his spare time. the only other thread he started on these forums was a post asking what's a good site for verified movies.

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/bb/index.php?&ac...=25&t=26040&hl= (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/bb/index.php?&act=ST&f=25&t=26040&hl=)

um... how about our Verified Movies forum? :blink:

guess you guys flamed him till he was too scared to start any more thoughtful posts.

[Yomanda_66]

Sorry Mate you are talking rubbish I have had a modem for a long long time. You may see a quick download spike of say 40k but that will last for a second or two. You will not get much faster than a 6kbs download speed. To download a Final Destination 2 disk in that time would not be correct. If it was one of these crap 170 Meg avi files then maybe but a decent quality mpeg of say 700k would not download in 2 hours. Sorry you are mistaken, maybe you need some sleep?

[RPerry]

I'd be happy just to get my 56k to dl at 5.5KBps consistantly. I have had dl's at 5, but usually 3.5-4 is max :(

[Amarjit]

akitotinkawa2 wasn't lying.

I was once downloading RollerCoaster Tycoon 2 and it was downloading a stable 40 Kbps on a 56 K. Of course this was 0:00 :lol:

[RealitY]

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC@16 April 2003 - 13:22
my 14.4 is so fast, it's capable of downloading physical objects.  a corvette popped out of the modem this morning.

and i won the nobel prize for science, so i know what i'm talking about.
Now thats creative, nothing like sarcasim. :lol:

On a serious note don't you guys feel this post most STOP
Where's Bender, shut it down.

[Just_me]

akitotinkawa2 you have been taking a lots of crap. Let me add something
to this download speed thing that I have not seen. We are talking about downloading from the internet so the location from where you are downloading and how many Nodes (carriers) you have to go through makes
a different. You can have T1, DSL, Cable or a 56k but if the other end or any thing in the middle nodes is slower. You get the picture.

[Blakezor]

unless the kids telephone lines are like CAT wires, then infact he would be running DSL wich he may very well be unknowingly sence in fact DSl does "dial up".... then hes a fruit. i dont give a damn if the server is next door to you 56k is 56k... u may burst 40kb for about 1-5 seconds... but there is no way in heaven or hell your d/ling constantly on your "56k" at 40kb/s DOWN....Unless iv missed something and infact you mean KiloBITS then yes you prally do download at 40KiloBits/s thas 56k speeeds... but not KiloBytes...

[scribblec]

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC@16 April 2003 - 12:22
my 14.4 is so fast, it's capable of downloading physical objects. a corvette popped out of the modem this morning.

and i won the nobel prize for science, so i know what i'm talking about.
:P :lol: :P :lol:
i like u already

[Th£ Bo$$]

Originally posted by solidsnake+18 April 2003 - 02:36--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (solidsnake @ 18 April 2003 - 02:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--3RA1N1AC@16 April 2003 - 12:22
my 14.4 is so fast, it&#39;s capable of downloading physical objects.&nbsp; a corvette popped out of the modem this morning.

and i won the nobel prize for science, so i know what i&#39;m talking about.
:P :lol: :P :lol:
i like u already [/b][/quote]
Are you homos??

[south-paw]

Originally posted by Th£ Bo&#036;&#036;+18 April 2003 - 09:18--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Th£ Bo&#036;&#036; @ 18 April 2003 - 09:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -solidsnake@18 April 2003 - 02:36
<!--QuoteBegin--3RA1N1AC@16 April 2003 - 12:22
my 14.4 is so fast, it&#39;s capable of downloading physical objects. a corvette popped out of the modem this morning.

and i won the nobel prize for science, so i know what i&#39;m talking about.
:P :lol: :P :lol:
i like u already
Are you homos?? [/b][/quote]
Your quotes display a modicum of wit about modem users, your question contains absolutely no relevance, and insinuates bigotry on your part. I hope the moderator will remove it.

[Dombler]

I connect at 115,200 bps. I just downloaded a movie today at 285,000 kbs. I think it is possible to get atleast 40,000 kbs out of a 56k modem. Only if you know what your doing.

[Somebody1234]

@akitotinkawa2, you have obviously never had highspeed internet.

1 byte contains 8 bits

Maximum download speed of your 56 kilobyte per second modem is less than 56/8=7 kilo bits per second.
Maximum download speed for my DSL is 1.2 megabytes per second that&#39;s 1200/8=150 kilo bits per second.

So my DSL is about 21 times faster than your 56k.

And my connection is not the fastest DSL or T1 or Cable.

[fallenknight308]

Originally posted by RPerry@17 April 2003 - 02:40
I&#39;d be happy just to get my 56k to dl at 5.5KBps consistantly. I have had dl&#39;s at 5, but usually 3.5-4 is max :(
WTH&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; you get 3-4? My 56k maxes out at 2.75&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; (My phone line might be noisy, or some shit)
Ya, and whoever started this post MUST have been joking <_<

[fallenknight308]

Originally posted by akitotinkawa2@4 April 2003 - 17:17
:D First off i want to say that i have a 56k modem and have been able to download consistantly at over 40k per second. all other people have said that 56 k can only download at 5-6k per second it is the other way around you can only upload at 5-6k p/s but can download almost as fast ass the other person can send it. It depends on the bandwith the higher the bandwith the faster the download. yesterday i was able to download the entire final destination 2 movie that was 300,000 k in about 2 hours. so if you have a 56k you can download just as fast as dsl or t1 as long as your downloading from a higher bandwith. So that should settle it I work for general dynamics and know alot on the subject so if you have questions or replies just post them.
STOP SMOKING CRACK. its bad for you&#33; :lol:

[JaVnI]

That original guy whatever his name is i do not wnat to know is talking absolute shit&#33;
I have cable modem and my speeds are up to 70kb/s on kazaa lite downloads
When i had 56k they were up to 16kb/s kazaa downloads
It depends on both bandwidths. I am sure because i have seen the difference.
When you d/l from som1 you connect to them. The connection speed is the average speed - the distance that slows it down. This speed is what you use to d/l from someone.
EG: If someone is in UK and someone is in USA.
Uk person starts downloading of USA who has Cable modem (512kb/s). Uk person only has 56k modem. This means the avg. is 284kb/s.
Now we minus the distance slow down
we now hav 184kb/s
divide by 8: 23kb/s
so maximum speed from that is 23kb/s.
But lets say that person has loads of other people d/l from him.
lets minus 10kb/s
13kb/s will then be your max.
enough said <_<

[sred2003]

lmfao

i hope this entire thread was meant as a joke.
either way, im laughing my ass off.

[Nightwolf]

Originally posted by sred2003@19 April 2003 - 04:38
lmfao

i hope this entire thread was meant as a joke.
either way, im laughing my ass off.
Yes, this type of person is sometimes referred to as a &#39;Troll&#39;. He just wanted to get people fired up, and he succeeded. If nothing else, at least there were a few intelligent and informative posts in this thread.

[Schmiggy_JK23]

akitotinkawa2 is mcnerderson, nuff said.

[amphoteric88]

the fastest that anyone can download from one source (one other person), is either the limit of the first person&#39;s download speed or the limit of the second person&#39;s upload speed. for example, if someone (person a for arguments sake), wanted to download a file from another person (person B ), then the maximum download speed person a can ever get is either person a&#39;s maximum download speed or person b&#39;s maximum upload speed, whichever is lower.
therefore, if person a has a 56k modem (maximum 56 kilobits per second download/56 kilobits per seond upload (v.92)), and person b has a 512kilobits per second adsl modem (maximum 512 kilobits per second download/256 kilobits per second upload), the maximum download speed person a can get is 56 kilobits per second (or 7 kilobytes per second). however, if person a has a 512 kilobits per second adsl modem and person b has a 56 kilobits per second modem (v.92), the maximum download speed that person a could get would be 56 kilobits per second (7 kilobytes per second).

[Amarjit]

But, what the poster of this topic said isn&#39;t 100% reliable. He said you can download just as fast as DSL etc. as long as the upload bandwidth is high. Well V.92 modems can only handle a certain amount, that&#39;s around 56 Kbps. So sometimes you can&#39;t download as fast as DSL because the modem can&#39;t handle the downstream rates. DSL can be capable of receiving up to 8 Mbps downstream.

Thanks
AS :D

[Monkey]

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[Nightwolf]

Originally posted by amphoteric88@20 April 2003 - 03:18
the fastest that anyone can download from one source (one other person), is either the limit of the first person&#39;s download speed or the limit of the second person&#39;s upload speed. for example, if someone (person a for arguments sake), wanted to download a file from another person (person B ), then the maximum download speed person a can ever get is either person a&#39;s maximum download speed or person b&#39;s maximum upload speed, whichever is lower.
therefore, if person a has a 56k modem (maximum 56 kilobits per second download/56 kilobits per seond upload (v.92)), and person b has a 512kilobits per second adsl modem (maximum 512 kilobits per second download/256 kilobits per second upload), the maximum download speed person a can get is 56 kilobits per second (or 7 kilobytes per second). however, if person a has a 512 kilobits per second adsl modem and person b has a 56 kilobits per second modem (v.92), the maximum download speed that person a could get would be 56 kilobits per second (7 kilobytes per second).
I agree with your entire statement except for one thing. As far as I know, 56K modems can only upload at 28K. So person A (with ADSL) could only download from person B at 3.5 kb/sec.

[amphoteric88]

the v.90 56k modems can only upload at 28k. the newer v.92 ones can upload at 56k. :P

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Dombler@19 April 2003 - 04:46
I connect at 115,200 bps. I just downloaded a movie today at 285,000 kbs. I think it is possible to get atleast 40,000 kbs out of a 56k modem. Only if you know what your doing.
NOT AGAIN,

STOP THIS NONSENSE ABOUT WHAT YOU

DON&#39;T KNOW

[RealitY]

Originally posted by JaVnI@19 April 2003 - 10:32
That original guy whatever his name is i do not wnat to know is talking absolute shit&#33;
I have cable modem and my speeds are up to 70kb/s on kazaa lite downloads
When i had 56k they were up to 16kb/s kazaa downloads
It depends on both bandwidths. I am sure because i have seen the difference.
When you d/l from som1 you connect to them. The connection speed is the average speed - the distance that slows it down. This speed is what you use to d/l from someone.
EG: If someone is in UK and someone is in USA.
Uk person starts downloading of USA who has Cable modem (512kb/s). Uk person only has 56k modem. This means the avg. is 284kb/s.
Now we minus the distance slow down
we now hav 184kb/s
divide by 8: 23kb/s
so maximum speed from that is 23kb/s.
But lets say that person has loads of other people d/l from him.
lets minus 10kb/s
13kb/s will then be your max.
enough said <_<
AND AGAIN????

[RealitY]

Originally posted by Just_me@18 April 2003 - 00:32
akitotinkawa2 you have been taking a lots of crap. Let me add something
to this download speed thing that I have not seen. We are talking about downloading from the internet so the location from where you are downloading and how many Nodes (carriers) you have to go through makes
a different. You can have T1, DSL, Cable or a 56k but if the other end or any thing in the middle nodes is slower. You get the picture.
I must say here that a "nodes" function is to search, though once connected and downloading you are "p2p" (as it is callled), at that point the node could ony add more sources.
Going through shitty nodes makes searches slow as well as finding more sources.
If nodes had any factor in the actual download I think they would expload (he he).
Please correct me if I am wrong&#33;
Bye.

[Xanex]

Originally posted by 3RA1N1AC@16 April 2003 - 13:22
my 14.4 is so fast, it&#39;s capable of downloading physical objects. a corvette popped out of the modem this morning.

and i won the nobel prize for science, so i know what i&#39;m talking about.
Wow thats cool

Speaking of which my m8 in Australia faxed me a kangaroo last nite, cant seem to send it back , i asked for one in green.

Oh well

[amphoteric88]

i don&#39;t like downloading kangaroos, generally i find the speeds to be a bit jumpy :P


i apologise unreservedly. sorry
i&#39;ll get my coat :(