US School shooting

[Dr Spaulding]

where's yr Al Qaeda now ya cunts?

[DanB]

nob, show some respect :dry:

[Dr Spaulding]

yeh, i'm sorry.

[ziggyjuarez]

just some nazi fuckers.You would never see a black or latin guy doing shit like this.

[Dr Spaulding]

(snobby voice) looks like white people have a discipline problem!

[ziggyjuarez]

No.They are just retarded.I would have killed 20 people if i was him :01:

[Dr Spaulding]

why? are you a latino chili muncher?

[ziggyjuarez]

If you are going to kill a lot of people.Why not go all the way?I would have had a field day :-]

[Dr Spaulding]

aye mate, i woulda gone for the lonely geeks first, put them outta their misery ;)

[ziggyjuarez]

lol yeah.
they need a lession from this guy on how to murder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez

[sArA]

@ Dr Spaulding How about a source and something constructive or interesting to say on the subject?

Or are you just looking for an excuse to US bash....ffs you need to do better than this. I suggest you look in the Drawing room, you might learn something about the art of debate provocation....

You nob

[Money Fist]

refrain from the latino trash talk

[InDaPocket]

(snobby voice) looks like white people have a discipline problem!

Hey, dumbfuck, you do realize, that the kid wasn't white, riiiiight? How about next time, you actually learn something about what you post prior to posting?

[vidcc]

I still find it amazing that groups such as the NRA and people that agree with them deny any connection between incidents like this and the absolute freely available firearms.
Here, only one thing causes more outrage than stiffer gun control laws and enforcement and that's Janet Jacksons breast.

My sympathy goes out to all those that suffer loss.

[Money Fist]

i think ur tryin to piss us off now!
not working.... bitch

[InDaPocket]

I still find it amazing that groups such as the NRA and people that agree with them deny any connection between incidents like this and the absolute freely available firearms.
Here, only one thing causes more outrage than stiffer gun control laws and enforcement and that's Janet Jacksons breast.

My sympathy goes out to all those that suffer loss.


What does the NRA have to do with this? He stole his grandfathers guns (the guns were police issued as he was a police officer) killed his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend, then went to kill the children.

If the weapons came from some retail establishment I would understand your point more. But seeing as these were police weapons...., I don't think the NRA has much to do with the police department weapons. Unless you think police should not be allowed to carry firearms?

[BigBank_Hank]

What does the NRA have to do with this? He stole his grandfathers guns (the guns were police issued as he was a police officer) killed his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend, then went to kill the children.

Well there you go you’ve solved the problem. Now all we need to do is take away all firearms from police officers so that this can’t happen again. Policemen will be issued whistles to replace their gun so that they can whistle for help while their being shot at by criminals.

In a situation like this people love to point the blame everywhere but where it belongs which is the animal who committed these atrocities.

[ziggyjuarez]

hoe no hypos cause hysteria again

[manker]

Well there you go you’ve solved the problem. Now all we need to do is take away all firearms from police officers so that this can’t happen again. Policemen will be issued whistles to replace their gun so that they can whistle for help while their being shot at by criminals. Bit like in the UK, then. Seems to work okay over here.

Maybe take it a step further tighten up the gun laws, ban handguns altogether and make it extremely difficult for your common or garden burglar to get a gun of any description - oh, and have a police armed response unit, you know, just in case.

Great post, Hank :01:

[TheDave]

if civilians didn't have the right to bare arms (term?) the police wouldn't need them either, think of britain as an example.

[ziggyjuarez]

Bit like in the UK, then. Seems to work okay over here.

Maybe take it a step further tighten up the gun laws, ban handguns altogether and make it extremely difficult for your common or garden burglar to get a gun of any description - oh, and have a police armed response unit, you know, just in case.

Great post, Hank :01:
no.when you have mexico right next door.it will be useless to ban guns.All it will do is give bad people more ways to get money.

[TheDave]

its too late now cos americans have been paranoid too long :wacko:

[ziggyjuarez]

its too late now cos americans have been paranoid too long :wacko:
rightly so,i say.

[vidcc]

What does the NRA have to do with this? He stole his grandfathers guns (the guns were police issued as he was a police officer) killed his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend, then went to kill the children.

If the weapons came from some retail establishment I would understand your point more. But seeing as these were police weapons...., I don't think the NRA has much to do with the police department weapons. Unless you think police should not be allowed to carry firearms?


Originally Posted by vidcc
I still find it amazing that groups such as the NRA and people that agree with them deny any connection between incidents like this and the absolute freely available firearms.


Are you saying that All the other "incidents like this" were police guns?


As to my views on gun ownership, i believe that apart from hunting, farming etc. the only guns should be for law enforcement and military... but being realistic that would never happen so therefore the best i can hope for is tighter controls, background checks (including at shows) and tighter enforcement of those laws.
The first post mentioned A.Q. and we hear a lot about custom inspections to prevent them bringing munitions into the country...well they don't have to because they can still legally buy this stuff without background checks....

[manker]

no.when you have mexico right next door.it will be useless to ban guns.All it will do is give bad people more ways to get money.That's a good point, mate. I suppose us being an island makes it that little bit more difficult to import guns.

However, drugs seem to get in okay (thankfully) and illegal firearms are still a problem here but with them being banned in general terms it means that I have never actually seen a handgun and only a small number of rifles.

I wouldn't want it any other way.

Tighten up your borders, dole out prison sentances for possession of illegal firearms. Do whatever it takes.

[InDaPocket]

Bit like in the UK, then. Seems to work okay over here.

Maybe take it a step further tighten up the gun laws, ban handguns altogether and make it extremely difficult for your common or garden burglar to get a gun of any description - oh, and have a police armed response unit, you know, just in case.

Great post, Hank :01:

Great idea! I agree, let's ban the guns!

But hold on a second, how many guns are out there now? Are we gonna round up all the firearms gestapo style? Leave it up to honor system to destroy the firearms?

If guns are banned, does anyone really think a criminal cares if it is illegal to have a gun?

Next question, if guns are banned here, and they are all gather up and disposed of, do you really think there will be no one in Canada or Mexico who would be interested if a criminal offered them a little extra to get them a gun?

[vidcc]

Great idea! I agree, let's ban the guns!

But hold on a second, how many guns are out there now? Are we gonna round up all the firearms gestapo style? Leave it up to honor system to destroy the firearms?

If guns are banned, does anyone really think a criminal cares if it is illegal to have a gun?

Next question, if guns are banned here, and they are all gather up and disposed of, do you really think there will be no one in Canada or Mexico who would be interested if a criminal offered them a little extra to get them a gun?

It's a vicious circle isn't it

[vidcc]

@indapocket

I should have put this in my reply..

you mention that it was a police gun..... so why are you not asking how come a "responsible owner" managed to have this event happen. Obviously the system has a flaw

[manker]

Great idea! I agree, let's ban the guns!

But hold on a second, how many guns are out there now? Are we gonna round up all the firearms gestapo style? Leave it up to honor system to destroy the firearms?

If guns are banned, does anyone really think a criminal cares if it is illegal to have a gun?

Next question, if guns are banned here, and they are all gather up and disposed of, do you really think there will be no one in Canada or Mexico who would be interested if a criminal offered them a little extra to get them a gun?I suppose you're right. It would be extremely difficult for your country to acheive this.

You mention an honour system but that's exactly what we did when handguns were banned. We declared a deadline and then sometime after this, declared an amnesty - it seemed to work okay.

In the US, though, I know it would be a surefire vote, nay, election loser because it's part of the constitution.

I'm in my mid-twenties and for much of my adult life, I lived in a city - yet have never seen a gun. That must strike anyone as desirable (apart from gun-enthusiasts, who strike me as odd, anyway).

It's just a pity that it seems such an unobtainable goal.

[TheDave]

i'm gonna sit with manker on this one :snooty:

[InDaPocket]

@indapocket

I should have put this in my reply..

you mention that it was a police gun..... so why are you not asking how come a "responsible owner" managed to have this event happen. Obviously the system has a flaw

It would seem to me that the grandfather had a flaw, no, make that two flaws. First not making it impossible for the child to get to them, whether they are under lock or not. Second, not realizing that kid was heading to serious trouble.

@Manker: I am happy that your country has achieved this, but seeing as most of the world does not benefit having this island seperation like the U.K. does, I have to paraphrase when I say "the U.K. is not the rest of the world".

[DanB]

i'm gonna sit with manker on this one :snooty:

I will too if there's room

[InDaPocket]

Just for info purposes Manker, firearms were used in 24,070 recorded crimes in England and Wales in 2002/03, an increase of seven per cent compared with 2001/02.

I quess the ban of guns, means a little less to the 24,070 victims of these crimes.

[manker]

@Manker: I am happy that your country has achieved this, but seeing as most of the world does not benefit having this island seperation like the U.K. does, I have to paraphrase when I say "the U.K. is not the rest of the world".Island separation isn't necessarily a requirement. I agree tho' it is an advantage.

Would you agree that it would be desirable for a middle ground to be found. I find vid's views to be quite palatable on this issue from previous threads I've read. I have to admit that the issue does not interest me enough to research it ( :P ) but tightening up gun controls in the US does seem entirely possible.

It seems to me just a question of having a President with balls enough to tell the NRA that they can't have as many toys anymore.

[TheDave]

actually i don't reckon you can go back on this. unless maybe you go round raiding properties.

britain is slipping the way of the US cos little shits are importing guns


edit: somehow a full stop got in there that made me sound like a dick

[jetje]

no guns = no shooting, what's so hard to understand in that sentence... ;)
Another sad case...
I agree with vidcc on this issue.

[manker]

Just for info purposes Manker, firearms were used in 24,070 recorded crimes in England and Wales in 2002/03, an increase of seven per cent compared with 2001/02.

I quess the ban of guns, means a little less to the 24,070 victims of these crimes.Clearly that figure would be a tad higher if guns were not banned. When I say a tad - I mean a fucking lot.

It means a lot to those of us who were not victims of gun crime and realise that we are hugely protected because of the gun laws. Eradication is never going to happen.



Please don't google something to use if you're not going to put some thought into the interpretation of the results.

[InDaPocket]

Please don't google something to use if you're not going to put some thought into the interpretation of the results.

I thought that as jetje said, no guns=no shootings, these numbers would tell me that a ban doesn't solve the problem.

Just another thought, I think it is kind of funny England played a big role in the right to bear arms being added to the constitution.

[manker]

I thought that as jetje said, no guns=no shootings, these numbers would tell me that a ban doesn't solve the problem.No guns does = no shooting :blink:

You can't shoot someone without a gun.

However, a gun ban does not = no guns. It means less guns => less gun crime.


Eradication is never going to happen.

[TheDave]

a ban prevents the problem getting worse quickly. you have to be stupid or a drawing room resident not to understand that

[manker]

Just another thought, I think it is kind of funny England played a big role in the right to bear arms being added to the constitution.Funny how?

We're talking hundreds of years ago.

Society has changed. The same principles cannot apply now as they did back in the days of yore.

[TheDave]

I thought that as jetje said, no guns=no shootings, these numbers would tell me that a ban doesn't solve the problem.

Just another thought, I think it is kind of funny England played a big role in the right to bear arms being added to the constitution.
i just wanted to quote the england being blamed for the constitution

[manker]

i just wanted to quote the england being blamed for the constitution
:lol: :D

[bigboab]

i just wanted to quote the england being blamed for the constitution

:lol: Tea He. :)

[InDaPocket]

i just wanted to quote the england being blamed for the constitution

So can you tell me how England had nothing to do with the right to bear arms?

[bigboab]

So can you tell me how England had nothing to do with the right to bear arms?
The right to bear arms is in the Amerian Constitution. As I understand it this Constitution was drawn up after America became independant from 'England'.

[TheDave]

i dont know much about it but i heard the right to bare arms came about because paranoia about an african slave uprising

[manker]

Englishmen used to burn witches and torture Scotsmen.

Those bastards.


Look, Mr. Pocket - I really don't know of England's involvement in drawing up your constitution but the last I checked, they aren't standing over the US making them adhere to it.

It may well have been necessary for a citizen to bear arms 230 years ago but really ... this point is about as relevant as my comment about burning witches.

[Dr Spaulding]

yeh, you need to be careful round them savages.

[bigboab]

Englishmen used to burn witches and torture Scotsmen.


So that's where Rat Faced went. :(

[InDaPocket]

The right to bear arms is in the Amerian Constitution. As I understand it this Constitution was drawn up after America became independant from 'England'.

umm, yea....that usually how it happens, a nation becomes independant than writes it's constitution. kinda doesn't work well the other way around.

[DanB]

umm, yea....that usually how it happens, a nation becomes independant than writes it's constitution. kinda doesn't work well the other way around.

So really England had nothing to do with making your constitution as it was thought up by your founding fathers, who I am guessing thought of themselves as Americans

[manker]

I really don't know where the pocket bloke is going with this :huh:

[bigboab]

I really don't know where the pocket bloke is going with this :huh:

I dont think he is going Indapocket. He's Snookered. :lol:

[TheDave]

as far away from the fact that gun control works as possible i reckon

[InDaPocket]

So really England had nothing to do with making your constitution as it was thought up by your founding fathers, who I am guessing thought of themselves as Americans

Do you think they said "hmmm, I like to shoot stuff, let's put in a right to bear arms" or did they think "in case a foreign power decides to come in yet again and force their wills on us or even if our own government decides it going to do away with our representive democracy and become all powerful we need a way for the citizen to defend himself"?

Did they need to put it in because folks in New York didn't like "them injuns" or maybe they remembered when British troops would shoot settlers when they cross the Appalachian Line because the King decided he didn't want westward expansion?

Did they need to put it in there because they wanted to agrandize rednecks? or did they remember we certain other governments found Americans guilty of treason for making tools out of metal?

[TheDave]

most other countries have an army :unsure:

[InDaPocket]

Anyways, that was fun, from school house shootings to indians, to treason involving shovel. Anyone have any crackers?

[TheDave]

you seem pretty crackers :frusty:

[DanB]

or did they think "in case a foreign power decides to come in yet again and force their wills on us


Just like was done to them injuns ay :unsure:



Who are those other people starting with I too? :shifty:

[SideSwiped]

You can say anything you want about gun control, but, it will NOT take the guns away from the criminal element, nor, can anyone determine when another person is going to just snap and go on a shooting rampage. I am not a gun "enthusiast", but, I did enjoy having guns in the house when I had them. I am not a criminal, nor am I some feeble minded fool. But, if you are a criminal, and you came into MY house, which I paid for by MY hard work, to rob, or harm me. You could be damned sure I'd put a bullet in you brains. Gun control wouldn't really work in the US, because the only ppl that would lose their guns would be the law abiding citizens. Besides, I enjoyed hunting and killing Bambi and Thumper for dinner.

[manker]

Do you think they said "hmmm, I like to shoot stuff, let's put in a right to bear arms" or did they think "in case a foreign power decides to come in yet again and force their wills on us or even if our own government decides it going to do away with our representive democracy and become all powerful we need a way for the citizen to defend himself"?

Did they need to put it in because folks in New York didn't like "them injuns" or maybe they remembered when British troops would shoot settlers when they cross the Appalachian Line because the King decided he didn't want westward expansion?

Did they need to put it in there because they wanted to agrandize rednecks? or did they remember we certain other governments found Americans guilty of treason for making tools out of metal?

Great for 230 years ago. Pretty poor reason nowadays.

Outdated, one could say.

[InDaPocket]

you seem pretty crackers :frusty:

and you seem to do nothing but throw insults around without actually haveing anything to say.

[TheDave]

You can say anything you want about gun control, but, it will NOT take the guns away from the criminal element, nor, can anyone determine when another person is going to just snap and go on a shooting rampage. I am not a gun "enthusiast", but, I did enjoy having guns in the house when I had them. I am not a criminal, nor am I some feeble minded fool. But, if you are a criminal, and you came into MY house, which I paid for by MY hard work, to rob, or harm me. You could be damned sure I'd put a bullet in you brains. Gun control wouldn't really work in the US, because the only ppl that would lose their guns would be the law abiding citizens. Besides, I enjoyed hunting and killing Bambi and Thumper for dinner.
it works in other parts of the world. so cawk off

[ziggyjuarez]

it works in other parts of the world. so cawk off
no.not here.It wouldent work ;) trust me.

[TheDave]

and you seem to do nothing but throw insults around without actually haveing anything to say.
you tried to make a point and you were wrong, you changed the subject and you were wrong again. i made an awful pun, its hardly an insult.


maybe your oppinion is the popular oppinion in america. maybe thats the reason gun control can never work over there is because you dont really look at the problem. apart from when a school gets shot up then reason is skewed(real word?) by hysteria before being forgotten a week later, along with recognising and trying to fix the problem.

:profiling:

[manker]

You can say anything you want about gun control, but, it will NOT take the guns away from the criminal element, nor, can anyone determine when another person is going to just snap and go on a shooting rampage. I am not a gun "enthusiast", but, I did enjoy having guns in the house when I had them. I am not a criminal, nor am I some feeble minded fool. But, if you are a criminal, and you came into MY house, which I paid for by MY hard work, to rob, or harm me. You could be damned sure I'd put a bullet in you brains. Gun control wouldn't really work in the US, because the only ppl that would lose their guns would be the law abiding citizens. Besides, I enjoyed hunting and killing Bambi and Thumper for dinner.I've already said earlier in the thread that it would be pretty impossible for your country to follow the UK's lead to the letter. Gun control does work and would work in the US, but probably to a lesser extent. You've just got so damn many and so damn many people who think shooting something, anything, is fun.

Tighter gun laws to keep guns out of the hands of idiots seems sensible tho'.


Btw, you do seem like a gun enthusiast.

[InDaPocket]

Manker, please don't misunderstand me, I am not trying to be arguementative or any of the such. Simply trying to see other angles and discuss it.

[TheDave]

no.not here.It wouldent work ;) trust me.
it is possible but it would mean a massive effort from the police and lives probably would be lost in the process. i reckon though if you could stop people being so paranoid about criminals. then take guns off criminals by force.

it would be a long hard fight but it could happen

[manker]

Manker, please don't misunderstand me, I am not trying to be arguementative or any of the such. Simply trying to see other angles and discuss it.Okay :unsure:

[InDaPocket]

you tried to make a point and you were wrong, you changed the subject and you were wrong again. i made an awful pun, its hardly an insult.


maybe your oppinion is the popular oppinion in america. maybe thats the reason gun control can never work over there is because you dont really look at the problem. apart from when a school gets shot up then reason is skewed(real word?) by hysteria before being forgotten a week later, along with recognising and trying to fix the problem.

:profiling:


You see, that is one of the wonders of a discussion, you get to view a subject from different angles. I try to keep an open mind and hear what others are saying. I can not look back and once see were I said someone was wrong, I may have asked someone to show me but never said they were wrong.

[manker]

it is possible but it would mean a massive effort from the police and lives probably would be lost in the process. i reckon though if you could stop people being so paranoid about criminals. then take guns off criminals by force.

it would be a long hard fight but it could happenI think if they banned them completely, people like Sideswiped and Bigbank_hank would join an army organised by the NRA and start a revolution.

[SideSwiped]

it works in other parts of the world. so cawk off

Yes, where the general population hadn't had open access to handguns for over a hundred years. Yes, where there was never such a high proliferation of guns. And yes, where the government is overbearing, and you can't even take a crap without someone knowing how many sheets of tissue you used to wipe your arse.

btw, try reason rather than banal retorts.

[ziggyjuarez]

it is possible but it would mean a massive effort from the police and lives probably would be lost in the process. i reckon though if you could stop people being so paranoid about criminals. then take guns off criminals by force.

it would be a long hard fight but it could happen
Too much gangs,red necks,mafias,nazis,and other gun shooting wackos to stop it.you see it as Britain but americas not Britain.Laws dont work everywhere.

[TheDave]

you could dismiss em as terrorists but i'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the NRA, US government and fox news are all in the same bed

pocket i never said you said anyone was wrong, you posted statistics that show UK gun crime is escalting as if to imply that gun control doesn't work

[manker]

Yes, where the general population hadn't had open access to handguns for over a hundred years. Yes, where there was never such a high proliferation of guns. And yes, where the government is overbearing, and you can't even take a crap without someone knowing how many sheets of tissue you used to wipe your arse.

btw, try reason rather than banal retorts.He was talking about the UK. Surely you are not.

Btw, this whole thread has been mainly centred on agreeing that the US probably couldn't follow suit and obtain the desirable levels that the UK has reached but that some tightening up on your gun laws would be kewl.

[ziggyjuarez]

He was talking about the UK. Surely you are not.

Btw, this whole thread has been mainly centred on agreeing that the US probably couldn't follow suit and obtain the desirable levels that the UK has reached but that some tightening up on your gun laws would be kewl.
I agree with what youre trying to say manker but i know it wouldent work.

[InDaPocket]

BTW, I just wanted to point out the dare I say "uniqueness" of this topic. Usually they start out in the lounge serious, then spin to pure spam. This one seems to be the direct opposite.

[ziggyjuarez]

BTW, I just wanted to point out the dare I say "uniqueness" of this topic. Usually they start out in the lounge serious, then spin to pure spam. This one seems to be the direct opposite.
really?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/snorlax/enlish.gif

[InDaPocket]

really?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/snorlax/enlish.gif

That's the spirit!

wait...

hmm...

Edit: just saying that by page 8, we usually have been forced to view a picture or two of jonno's peen.

[manker]

BTW, I just wanted to point out the dare I say "uniqueness" of this topic. Usually they start out in the lounge serious, then spin to pure spam. This one seems to be the direct opposite.:lol:

I know what you mean. Some arsebiscuit started with inanity and it veered off into something pretty interesting.

I have to say I've had better discussions in here than I've had in the drawing room. Not too many light-hearted comments, like Dave's 'cawk off' - which made me larf - in there. Makes for pretty staid reading, most of the time.

[manker]

Edit: just saying that by page 8, we usually have been forced to view a picture or two of jonno's peen.:shifty:

New username, eh. Does that mean everyone hated you before or did you just want a change :D

[InDaPocket]

:shifty:

New username, eh. Does that mean everyone hated you before or did you just want a change :D

Maybe I am just another persona of the Ad machine, or maybe not, maybe I really am Manker, never know :-P

[manker]

You're definitely not me, 'cause I know how much I hate people capitalising manker :P

I duno ... your writing style, tho' lucid and fairly distinctive, isn't familiar to me.

[ziggyjuarez]

To tell you guys the truth i made this topic to start trouble.And yes im HYPO!!!11 :ohmy:

[InDaPocket]

Mr. Luxa was da shiz B. I wonder if he and Dark Blizzard still have sleep overs.....

[manker]

Ziggy used to date Manny Rosscoe :knowing wink:

[vidcc]

a ban prevents the problem getting worse quickly. you have to be stupid or a drawing room resident not to understand that
http://www.nigelhumour.co.uk/ooo.jpg

[manker]

We need a handbag smiley :D

[ziggyjuarez]

You know what this is...
http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=weise&mode=full

[SideSwiped]

some tightening up on your gun laws would be kewl.

too true, and in reality, the control laws already in effect would help IF they were enforced and followed.

[ziggyjuarez]

Just saw that kid on tv.Look like a fat looser lol
http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/23352143/1684314

[Formula1]

I only read to the 2nd oage of this topic so bare with me please.

Apparently in the united states , conservatives wont open their eyes and realise its the 21st century. I too think guns should be banned in the US. Considering the fact that US has the one of the highest hand gun murders/related crime in the world, you'd think the government was smart , huh ?

[BigBank_Hank]

I think if they banned them completely, people like Sideswiped and Bigbank_hank would join an army organised by the NRA and start a revolution.
I don’t think that you are anyone else from outside the south understands that owning a gun is part of life and to take that away would cause a revolution. My state is called the sportsman’s paradise because hunting and fishing are so popular and to take that away because some punk kid went had some issues is ridiculous. All he needed was a good ass kicking to get him straight.

Creating more laws isn’t going to solve this problem but getting more parental involvement will. I would have never dreamed of taking my dads gun because I knew if he found out that my ass was grass. I respected my parents and that’s the problem with kids today is that have no respect for anyone or anything.

[TheDave]

was that supposed to be a justification? :huh:

[Busyman]

I don’t think that you are anyone else from outside the south understands that owning a gun is part of life and to take that away would cause a revolution. My state is called the sportsman’s paradise because hunting and fishing are so popular and to take that away because some punk kid went had some issues is ridiculous. All he needed was a good ass kicking to get him straight.

Creating more laws isn’t going to solve this problem but getting more parental involvement will. I would have never dreamed of taking my dads gun because I knew if he found out that my ass was grass. I respected my parents and that’s the problem with kids today is that have no respect for anyone or anything.
The problem is the average parent is an idiot. You can't make parents hang their foot up a child's ass. I watched Nanny 911 and the mother couldn't stop having her children sleep with her. She was fucking mental.
You can't tell parents how to raise their kids and expect them to follow your suggestions.

The current law isn't working. Try something different. Make new laws regarding guns.

I didn't even bring my guns to my new house until I had the proper gun locks.
I now have a family (all of a sudden) which includes a 4 year-old.

I by some miracle she's finds a gun, she can't fire a shot.
Revolution over gun sport is idiotic at best. I like basketball but not that much. Priorities...

Deaths > Your precious sport :dry:

[TheDave]

:01:

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

Wanna know an interesting fact about the reservation this occurred at? It's not even a part of the U.S.. So how bout we change the title? hehe.

This reservation is only one of two reservations that still mantain it's sovereign status complete with it's own little government.

[TheDave]

Wanna know an interesting fact about the reservation this occurred at? It's not even a part of the U.S.. So how bout we change the title? hehe.

This reservation is only one of two reservations that still mantain it's sovereign status complete with it's own little government.
oh right so theres nothing american about it...


sorry

[ziggyjuarez]

oh right so theres nothing american about it...


sorry
accually thats true.They even have places like this where they can do weird indian punishments to you.

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

oh right so theres nothing american about it...


sorry

Then you wouldn't have any problem with me calling you French now would you? I am sure one of your female ancestors liked to play the ol' French whore while on vacation, right?

[Arm]

Why is it every gun murder death story turns into a debate about gun control? :unsure: You do know you can kill people other ways. Why, humans killed each other for thousands of years without the help of guns. Mind you, the do make it alot easier but you can still blow someone up or stab them with a machete. :w00t:

[ziggyjuarez]

Why is it every gun murder death story turns into a debate about gun control? :unsure: You do know you can kill people other ways. Why, humans killed each other for thousands of years without the help of guns. Mind you, the do make it alot easier but you can still blow someone up or stab them with a machete. :w00t:
pics please :w00t:

[Busyman]

Why is it every gun murder death story turns into a debate about gun control? :unsure: You do know you can kill people other ways. Why, humans killed each other for thousands of years without the help of guns. Mind you, the do make it alot easier but you can still blow someone up or stab them with a machete. :w00t:
Every one wants to assess blame for anything.

A bus in MD hits a pre-teen that ran between 2 cars into the street.

People wanted to blame the driver, some wanted blame the parents.

Why couldn't someone blame the child?

[bigboab]

Why is it every gun murder death story turns into a debate about gun control? :unsure: You do know you can kill people other ways. Why, humans killed each other for thousands of years without the help of guns. Mind you, the do make it alot easier but you can still blow someone up or stab them with a machete. :w00t:

For the simple reason that guns were made and designed to kill people. Most of the other weapons were intitially designed to kill for food. :(

[Rip The Jacker]

You know what this is...
http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=weise&mode=full
Thats crazy, he had a LiveJournal, and there are 1,600 comments on his latest entry.

Just saw that kid on tv.Look like a fat looser lol
See thats the thing...

The suspect was described by relatives as a loner who was teased by other kids.
Why couldn't people just leave him alone? This might have not happened.

http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/03/05/20050322214409990001
Fifteen-year-old Thurlene Stillday was one of the students killed at Red Lake High School Monday. The death toll of 10 includes the suspected shooter.

The whole thing is really sad...

[vidcc]

Why is it every gun murder death story turns into a debate about gun control? I think you will find that murder death stories where the weapon WAS A GUN turn into a debate on gun control and not situations where the victim was bludgeoned to death with a bat.



: You do know you can kill people other ways. Why, humans killed each other for thousands of years without the help of guns. Mind you, the do make it alot easier but you can still blow someone up or stab them with a machete. :w00t:
Yes this is all true, so seeing as you are right perhaps we should make lethal gasses legal to hold...
Every time there is a violent crime we get many of the same people that say "you know guns don't kill people...people kill people." trying to blame violence on TV..... pornography causes rape....
News flash.... guns are a direct part of gun crime and just having a gun makes it more likely for sad events like this to happen.
the Argument that stricter control will not solve the situation so why do it leads to questions such as "prisons don't stop crime so why have them?" in fact the crime rate is rising so it seems that punishment doesn't stop crime...

But getting back to reality.

We can't remove guns from the USA without some sort of miracle occurring. We can't stop people committing gun crime.... We can't stop terrorists getting munitions..... but for pity sake lets not hand them directly to them.

We have to have a driving license to drive and the car has to be registered, we all have to have social security numbers...passports if we wish to travel. So what is SOOOOOOOOOOO bad about stiffer control of these very deadly tools.
gun ownership should be subject to background checks always and even mandatory training and examination on safe handling. Also homes that contain guns should have mandatory storage rules and should be subject to inspection.... AND BE INSPECTED

Busy said his guns are locked.... this should be the minimum requirement, but I would also add that the lock should be a high quality "code" lock so a kids couldn't get hold of the key.

Of course this is totally unacceptable to the NRA

[ziggyjuarez]

Thats crazy, he had a LiveJournal, and there are 1,600 comments on his latest entry.

See thats the thing...

...
still fat...

[manker]

I think if they banned them completely, people like Sideswiped and Bigbank_Hank would join an army organised by the NRA and start a revolution.I don’t think that you are anyone else from outside the south understands that owning a gun is part of life and to take that away would cause a revolution. My state is called the sportsman’s paradise because hunting and fishing are so popular and to take that away because some punk kid went had some issues is ridiculous. All he needed was a good ass kicking to get him straight.

Creating more laws isn’t going to solve this problem but getting more parental involvement will. I would have never dreamed of taking my dads gun because I knew if he found out that my ass was grass. I respected my parents and that’s the problem with kids today is that have no respect for anyone or anything.That was kinda tongue in cheek ... .

But now;

I'm absolutely positive that if they banned them completely, people like Sideswiped and Bigbank_Hank would join an army organised by the NRA and start a revolution.

[Yogi]

Still wondering why these kind of shootings mostly take place in the USA.

There are many other countries paved with guns and less lawinforcement, yet

shootings like these don't occur.

Could it maybe have something to do with the "American Way"???

The looser or winner mentality??



I just saw Friday Night Lights, a movie about HighSchool football.

I say most psychopaths are breeded by society.

Hence............



Yogi

[TheDave]

according to micheal moore its the media constantly running scare stories

[manker]

Still wondering why these kind of shootings mostly take place in the USA.

There are many other countries paved with guns and less lawinforcement, yet

shootings like these don't occur.

Could it maybe have something to do with the "American Way"???

The looser or winner mentality??

YogiNah, I think that the prevalence of these type incidents being in the US owes much to the surpression of media from other countries and the massive population of the US.

There are mentally unstable people the world over, not just in America.

[MCHeshPants420]

I don’t think that you are anyone else from outside the south understands that owning a gun is part of life

So was owning a slave...

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

So was owning a slave...

I am sure the Spanish and English with their sugar industry had absolutly nothing to do with this, solely on the heads of the southerners....

[manker]

I am sure the Spanish and English with their sugar industry had absolutly nothing to do with this, solely on the heads of the southerners....Ffs.

Why is everyone harking back to colonial days. I'm sure the point is that the constitutional right to bear arms was a necessity 200 years ago but is not necessarily the case now.

We're talking about today. The fact that Southerners think owning a gun is a way of life has nothing to do with English people or Spanish people - it's because their Dad said it was kewl.

[MCHeshPants420]

We're talking about today. The fact that Southerners think owning a gun is a way of life has nothing to do with English people or Spanish people - it's because their Dad said it was kewl.

Their dad who is also their uncle.

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

Ffs.

Why is everyone harking back to colonial days. I'm sure the point is that the constitutional right to bear arms was a necessity 200 years ago but is not necessarily the case now.

We're talking about today. The fact that Southerners think owning a gun is a way of life has nothing to do with English people or Spanish people - it's because their Dad said it was kewl.

Actually, I was about to edit my post and ask why he was worried about past slavery when modern day slavery is such a massive market around the world.

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

Their dad who is also their uncle.

Stereotypes are sooooooo cool, they make you look uber-leet and crazy smart.

[manker]

Actually, I was about to edit my post and ask why he was worried about past slavery when modern day slavery is such a massive market around the world.His post flew right over your head, eh.

The point was that slavery is no longer an issue in the US, it's outdated because your country has evolved. If that's true then surely anyone can see that gun ownership is not necessary to guard against Britain, or whoever, invading and overthrowing your government.

[MCHeshPants420]

Actually, I was about to edit my post and ask why he was worried about past slavery when modern day slavery is such a massive market around the world.

Who said I was worried about it?

Your point seems to be that others do it or have done it so it's okay? :unsure:

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

Don't know about you, but I was talking about guns at all.....

[ziggyjuarez]

You guys still talking about this lol

[manker]

Stereotypes are sooooooo cool, they make you look uber-leet and crazy smart.Says the bloke who calls disabled people retarded fucknuts. (http://www.filesharingtalk.com/vb3/showpost.php?p=1012806&postcount=10)

Please, try to be consistent.

[MCHeshPants420]

Stereotypes are sooooooo cool, they make you look uber-leet and crazy smart.

Sarcasm? That's freakin' awesome.

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

Says the bloke who calls disabled people retarded fucknuts. (http://www.filesharingtalk.com/vb3/showpost.php?p=1012806&postcount=10)

Please, try to be consistent.

They have been stereotyped as being retarded fucknuts? I thought that was just being insensitive.

[MCHeshPants420]

Can we try and keep on-topic please?

[manker]

They have been stereotyped as being retarded fucknuts? I thought that was just being insensitive.Yes. That's what stereotyping means.

If you group a collection of individuals under a common heading, you are stereotyping.

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

Still think they are a retarded bunch of fucknuts tho.

[MCHeshPants420]

You look uber-leet and crazy smart now.

[brotherdoobie]

So was owning a slave...

Such, as the Irish And The Scots?
But,that's in the past...right? :whistling

Peace bd

[manker]

Still think they are a retarded bunch of fucknuts tho.This is your right but you do realise that pulling other people up for the same type of stereotyping thing makes you a hypocrite.

A hypocritical arse, at that.

[manker]

Such, as the Irish And The Scots?
But,that's in the past...right? :whistling

Peace bd
Precisely, the past.

Is anyone going to get it :blink:

[MCHeshPants420]

Such, as the Irish And The Scots?
But,that's in the past...right? :whistling

Peace bd

Not sure I get your point.

[Snee]

http://www.almadrava.net/damnans/TomDuncan/WHYCANT.jpg


Now all of you minions are toast.

[MCHeshPants420]

http://www.almadrava.net/damnans/TomDuncan/WHYCANT.jpg

Shut it, typograf.

[TheDave]

what does retarded fucknut mean.

if a runner has a job as say... a lawyer, lost their leg in a car accident and enters the olympics with a false leg. is he a retarded fucknut?

or do you just presume all disabled people have a severe mental illness?

[brotherdoobie]

Not sure I get your point.

See manker's last post...

Peace bd :)

[manker]

See manker's last post...

Peace bd :)
I merely re-iterated MCHespants420's original point :huh:

[Snee]

Shut it, typograf.
:snooty:

[MCHeshPants420]

See manker's last post...

Peace bd :)

Could you spell it out for me? I still don't get what you meant with your original post.

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

http://www.almadrava.net/damnans/TomDuncan/WHYCANT.jpg


Now all of you minions are toast.

But wait, let me just tap these lands over here, and cast... da da dum....

http://members.tripod.com/Catmaximus/beta/spellblast.jpg

[Snee]

But wait, let me just tap these lands over here, and cast... da da dum....

http://members.tripod.com/Catmaximus/beta/spellblast.jpg
Not the tripod of doom!!! :ohmy:

'tisn't fair. :no:

[brotherdoobie]

Could you spell it out for me? I still don't get what you meant with your original post.

It's all been done before...300 years ago Brittian,was the reigning super power
now it's the U.S. (300 years from now...who knows,my votes for the Jamacians)

Whoever, is in power fights tooth and nail to remain in power. (arms and munitions are the means to that end.)

What's new?

Peace bd

[Snee]

So...are the Irish and the scottish in the past? :backtothefuture: :wtf: :blink:

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

So...are the Irish and the scottish in the past? :backtothefuture: :wtf: :blink:

They are in hiding, don't give them away

[brotherdoobie]

So...are the Irish and the scottish in the past? :backtothefuture: :wtf: :blink:

No, that was not my intended meaning. The Irish and The Scottish were slaves
to the Brittish empire (were..are?)

But,that is mainly the past. Should they still be held accountable for those sins?
(such as southern U.S. residents,being constantly vilified as evil racist.)

I do not own any guns personally. (and I am for gun control)...but were talking about the culture,many of us were raised in. It's not easy letting go of such deeply engrained beliefs.

Peace bd

[Snee]

They are in hiding, don't give them away
'k :unsure:

I'll trade you one for a mars-bar tho'.

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

'k :unsure:

I'll trade you one for a mars-bar tho'.

That's great, your the man, to show my thanks, I will pass a free Caddo Indian your way.

[Snee]

Sweet. :yzh:

[MCHeshPants420]

No, that was not my intended meaning. The Irish and The Scottish were slaves
to the Brittish empire (were..are?)

But,that is mainly the past. Should they still be held accountable for those sins?
(such as southern U.S. residents,being constantly vilified as evil racist.)



The same tired argument is brought up every time, but it has no relevance to my initial point.

[brotherdoobie]

The same tired argument is brought up every time, but it has no relevance to my initial point.

Whenever,you say something like.."the same tired argument" and "it has
no relevance to your point" Do you really mean, you're stating your opinion"
and "it doesn't agree with my mine?

That's what I get from your general condescension, towards Americans.
Correct me if I'm wrong?

Please. :)

Peace bd

[Busyman]

nvm

[ziggyjuarez]

nvm
suck pussy,yes.Now fuck you.

[Busyman]

suck pussy,yes.Now fuck you.
ziggy don't make me come over there, stuff you back over the fence, and then fuck you up.

:lol: :lol:

[Yogi]

Wow, when can we start using guns in this thread???? :naughty: :w00t:





http://www.muffinmanthemovie.com/Pics/Mom-with-big-gun-2_large.jpg

[bigboab]

I warned you Yogi. :ph34r: No pics. :crying:

[Yogi]

I warned you Yogi. :ph34r: No pics. :crying:


Or???????? :devil:

And i took this one of your wife during one of our roleplaying sessions...... :devil:

Costed me an extra 50 cents, though.......... :crying:

[jetje]

Why is it every gun murder death story turns into a debate about gun control? :unsure: You do know you can kill people other ways. Why, humans killed each other for thousands of years without the help of guns. Mind you, the do make it alot easier but you can still blow someone up or stab them with a machete. :w00t:

Why forbid Korea, Iraq, Iran etc.. to have nuclear weapons? there are other ways to kill destroy and start war...

quite simple cause people think that "CONTROL" can prevent many innocent dead.

Kids like this guy would have a hard route to obtain a gun. Difference is that it would make him a murder (he bought a gun for a purpose!) in stead of a sad case (a kid with a problem and a gun nearby.....).

;)

[MCHeshPants420]

Whenever,you say something like.."the same tired argument" and "it has
no relevance to your point" Do you really mean, you're stating your opinion"
and "it doesn't agree with my mine?

That's what I get from your general condescension, towards Americans.
Correct me if I'm wrong?

Please. :)

Peace bd

Consider yourself corrected, you're wrong.

You have nothing to say on my point that is valid (I don't think you actually got my point to be honest) and now you've resorted to personal attacks.

[Yogi]

I hear kettles...............

[MCHeshPants420]

I hear kettles...............

I'd be the first to admit I do it sometimes. Twat.

[TheDave]

cup of tea?

[MCHeshPants420]

cup of tea?

Yes, please. No sugar, I'm sweet enough.

[Yogi]

I'd be the first to admit I do it sometimes. Twat.

Now, you, stop sweetmouthing me!!! :blushing:

Feels just like i talk to CheesyDarling........... :wub:

[TheDave]

Yes, please. No sugar, I'm sweet enough.
fuck off and die :)

[MCHeshPants420]

fuck off and die :)

So a fry-up is out of the question then? :unsure:

[brotherdoobie]

Consider yourself corrected, you're wrong.

You have nothing to say on my point that is valid (I don't think you actually got my point to be honest) and now you've resorted to personal attacks.

I might have missed your point,it's kinda of hard to see through the clouds
of condescension...quite foggy.

Peace bd

[Busyman]

I might have missed your point,it's kinda of hard to see through the clouds
of condescension...quite foggy.

Peace bd
:lol: :lol:

That's pretty good.

[MCHeshPants420]

I might have missed your point,it's kinda of hard to see through the clouds
of condescension...quite foggy.

Peace bd

I'm pretty sure the clouds are from illicit substances rather than imagined condescension...

[TheDave]

i have double glazing so i see no condensation

[Busyman]

I'm pretty sure the clouds are from illicit substances rather than imagined condescension...
OmgOMG!!11!11gOOD COMBACK!!1!hE EVEN used ILLICIT ON the DOobie!!OMG!!1!1lol

[TheDave]

condensation?

[manker]

OmgOMG!!11!11gOOD COMBACK!!1!hE EVEN used ILLICIT ON the DOobie!!OMG!!1!1lolHave you read the thread.

You either have to be stoned or stupid not to get his original point.

I don't believe BD to be stupid in the slightest. Stoned seems to be logical conjecture.

[MCHeshPants420]

OmgOMG!!11!11gOOD COMBACK!!1!hE EVEN used ILLICIT ON the DOobie!!OMG!!1!1lol

With a razor sharp wit like yours you should do stand-up. Really.

[manker]

The girl in the next office just buzzed me to ask what I was laughing at :D

[TheDave]

tell her it was something on that website you spend ten hours a day on where you talk to your real friends. that'll shut er up

[MCHeshPants420]

My girlfriend just told me I'm condescending in real life at times, isn't she so clever to be using big words like that?

[TheDave]

:lol:

[TheDave]

check my postcount on the moderation. cheese do the thing i asked for in cybersex world now :01:

[MCHeshPants420]

check my postcount on the moderation. cheese do the thing i asked for in cybersex world now :01:

I don't know how to... :(

Make 103 more posts and by then I'll have figured it out.*


*Got sam to do it.

[TheDave]

ok........ :ermm:


i'll work something out