A few questions

[S!X]

I see that those new amd processors are out the venices and sean fransicos or w/e there called. I wanna know if those are good for gamming. I cant recall which AMD core is best for overclocking... Winchester I think? On newegg the have a AMD 64 3500+ Winchester OEM, dont wanna spend the money for a fan.heatsink for it tho... And whats the difference between the difference between Serial ATA150, IDE Ultra ATA100? :blink:

Also I need to find a black Cd drive that can burn regular CD-R's. No need for a DVD burner. :ermm:

They also have a clawhammer that has the same speics as the winchester but is retail which is more convenient for me. How does the clawhammer compare to the winchester?

[S!X]

Bump

[lynx]

Why limit yourself with a cd burner. You will certainly want a dvd reader since more and more software (particularly games) is coming on that media, and the cost of the two together is about the same as a good dvd burner. Stay well away from combo drives, they don't do a good job either as a cd burner or as a dvd reader IMO.

I can recommend the NEC 3520A (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827152035). The 3540A is now available for a little more (not at newegg yet), but since burning DVD's isn't your prime objective the extra performance would probably be a waste.

I don't think you would want the Clawhammer processor, it is made using the 130nm process whereas the Winchester and Venice and San Diego cores use the 90nm process and consequently run a lot cooler, which in turn increases their OCing potential.

The nearest I can find on newegg is this 3700+ San Diego (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103539), but the price may be a little more than you want to pay.

Edit: Sata drives use a different (serial) connection compared to "standard" ide drives. They are slightly easier to fit, and the thinner cable doesn't hinder airflow to the same extent. The drive to mobo speed is slightly improved on SATA drives, but the electronice to media speed is usually about the same so there isn't that much difference in performance. You may need to install special drivers for the SATA controller on you mobo.

[clocker]

There are also differences in the amount of L2 cache that each core is sporting- be careful as the specs are confusing.

The Venice cores seem to be kickass overclockers if that's your cuppa.

[S!X]

Even with the stuff ive picked out so far its quite pricey, So I really dont know what to do about the processor... I dont think I wanna overclock on this new rig. I do want a good right to play CSS on and all them cool games out now.... I really dont know what to do, The nice thing is that the FATAL1TY mobo has gone down it price from like 230 to 185. @Lynx, that drive you picked out looks good but is kinda high priced (yea it may souns stupid but everything ive got picked out for this rig is easily over 1 grand) Can you maybe find somethin cheaper but still good quality? And yea I dont need a DVD burner cause the only things I burn are music cd's files to CD-RW's and thats about it. If I desperately need a DVD drive I'll pick one up sometime down the road.

EDIT: Ive downlgraded on the ram which is a good thing... Its like the same ram I picked out in the first place but cheaper, ($115 Corsair XMS dual channel kit) I dont know what else id sacrifice to lower the overall price :blink: I like everything I picked out so far :(

[lynx]

In the long run you will actually saving you money by getting a DVD burner.

EVERY new game that's out now comes on DVD, so you need a DVD reader. Guaranteed. Cheapest in black is $22.

You need a burner. Cheapest CD burner in black is $22.

Admittedly, you could get a combo for about $32, but you would regret it till the day you put it in the trash.

So you will spend $44 on 2 drives. For an extra $6 (less if you go for one of the other drives) you can burn dvd's. And I guarantee you will want to burn dvd's when all your games are on dvd. :frusty:

If you think I'm going to recomend a cd burner when I don't see your need for one, think again.

[S!X]

Hmmm, So I need seperate drives? Cd burner and dvd drive?

[Virtualbody1234]

Hmmm, So I need seperate drives? Cd burner and dvd drive?
No. Just a DVD burner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827152035

I agree with lynx. You won't regret getting a DVD burner. Also very handy to backup data. The 4.7 GB media is very inexpensve.

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/27-152-035-01.JPG

[S!X]

Alrighty, Thanks for the help so far.. As far as OEM drives go, What am I missing compared to a retail package?

[Virtualbody1234]

A box and sometimes some software. But I have also seen the software included with the OEM product. So basicly... A box.

[S!X]

Oh ok, Now somethin That ive just thought of and arent sure with is if that NEC dvd drive is gonna be able to work with my mobo choice, heres the mobo...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127196

From looking under the detailed specs on that mobo all its got is like sata slots :ohmy:

[Formula1]

ffs, it will work with the mobo. your mobo even comes with an ide cable.

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/13-127-196-04.JPG

[S!X]

ffs, it will work with the mobo. your mobo even comes with an ide cable.

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/13-127-196-04.JPG


Sorry man, Im stupid bare with me :rolleyes: :blink: :wacko:

[Virtualbody1234]

Sorry man, Im stupid bare with me :rolleyes: :blink: :wacko:
Maybe not as bad as Formula1. He just asked for help with his cellphone but didn't think it was important to tell us the model. :frusty:

Yes that board supports that burner.
PATA 2 x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices

[S!X]

Maybe not as bad as Formula1. He just asked for help with his cellphone but didn't think it was important to tell us the model. :frusty:

Yes that board supports that burner.
PATA 2 x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices

Cool, Thx VB :cool:

[S!X]

A nice thing is that newegg now has the ASPIRE X-Dreamer II Case with a 420 watt PSU :D By rights that should be able to power everything.

Case:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144026
Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127196
Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145450
Harddrive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148069
Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103514
Vid card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102496
DVD drive:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827152035

As far as the processor goes, I think im gonna stick this the clawhammer, I dont plan on overclocking. Just to confirm.. Do you guys think 420 will power all this stuff? :unsure:

[lynx]

You need to be very careful which case you get.

The new standard has a 24pin motherboard power connector, and that's for most (all?) pci-express motherboards, including the one you've picked.

Many cases still have a 20pin + 4pin power connector for the mobo, and as far as I can tell that includes the case you picked.

Look at the price of the case. You probably need to be spending at least that amount on a PSU alone, you can't expect the case to be thrown in for free. It might be better to find a similar case without a PSU (or a cheap one and throw it away) and choose your PSU separately.

420-450w would be around the right level as long as it is a good model.

[clocker]

Alrighty, Thanks for the help so far.. As far as OEM drives go, What am I missing compared to a retail package?
You will NOT get burning software.
Or even player software.

Get the retail box version unless you already have both.

[lynx]

You will NOT get burning software.
Or even player software.

Get the retail box version unless you already have both.Unless you know where to get them from. ;)

[clocker]

Recruiting for the Dark Side again, are we?

Linkin,
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, he will lead you astray, into the land of Internet Pr0n and Pirated Software.

[Snee]

Sorry man, Im stupid bare with me :rolleyes: :blink: :wacko:
You want him to get nekkid with you?

Btw, there are SATA DVD burners, but I've only seen plextor making them so far, and they cost a bit more than the IDE equivalent, so I guess they are out for you.

If you can find really cheap (but quality) dvd burner which isn't black, then you can still make it so with one of those coolermaster front bezels.

It doesn't void your warranty or anything. But they cost a bit, so you'd have to find a really cheap drive, like I said.

[clocker]

If you can find really cheap (but quality) dvd burner which isn't black, then you can still make it so with one of those coolermaster front bezels.


Have you any personal experience with these?

[peat moss]

If you can find really cheap (but quality) dvd burner which isn't black, then you can still make it so with one of those coolermaster front bezels.


Have you any personal experience with these?



It uses double sided tape ? Good because I know I would break the old one off ! :D

[S!X]

You need to be very careful which case you get.

The new standard has a 24pin motherboard power connector, and that's for most (all?) pci-express motherboards, including the one you've picked.

Many cases still have a 20pin + 4pin power connector for the mobo, and as far as I can tell that includes the case you picked.

Look at the price of the case. You probably need to be spending at least that amount on a PSU alone, you can't expect the case to be thrown in for free. It might be better to find a similar case without a PSU (or a cheap one and throw it away) and choose your PSU separately.

420-450w would be around the right level as long as it is a good model.


:cry: I love that case tho!!!! :ermm: Now what do I do?!?!?!?! :unsure: :( I dont wanna keep having to buy other things, all that stuff I picked out is over one grand..... There no like adapters or somethin I could buy for that? :blink:

[lynx]

There are adapters for 24pin to 20pin, but not the other way round AFAIK.

Aspire may have updated their cases to use the new PSU's, but looking on their web site doesn't seem to suggest they have, otherwise I would have expected them to be supplied with the 24pin to 20pin adapter but they aren't.

[S!X]

Feck, So what do you suggest?!

[lynx]

Feck, So what do you suggest?!
I thought I already did. :unsure:

I had a quick check, I didn't find any black windowed cases in that sort of price range that obviously had 24pin connectors, but I didn't check them all. Seems like newegg are a little lacking in letting you know which have 20pin connectors and which have 24pin.

Had a look at my local supplier's site, all bar 2 of their "value" cases have 20pin connectors. The 24pin cases (with any sort of style) are more than double the price you were looking at, although UK prices are a bit higher anyway.

Btw, is this still "a few questions" or do you want me to change the title? :schnauz:

[S!X]

I guess you could change the title to "Questions". Im not really gettin what you trying to say as far as what I should do... (Im stupid :lookaroun ) Can you refraise it so I can easily understand ? lol What I think your saying is I need a new case or get that case and toss the PSU and get another one. :cry:

[lynx]

You're just about spot on. See you're not as stupid as we you thought. :shifty:

The choices are:
Get a case with no PSU and buy a new PSU.
Get a cheap case with PSU, toss the PSU and buy a new PSU.
Get that case, toss the PSU and buy a new PSU.
Get a more expensive case with a 24pin PSU.

Just to let you know, my 460W PSU cost me about £55 (100 USD, 125 CAD). But it is almost silent though.

[S!X]

Feck, Ok now I see what your saying, Theres a comp usa near my uncles house maybe we can get one there or bu somethin off newegg... Id like to get somehin with blue illumination to go with the case.

[clocker]

Theres a comp usa near my uncles house maybe we can get one there or bu somethin off newegg...
Take a deep breah and calm down.
Repeat to yourself, "I will NOT go to CompUSA" over and over till the urge passes.
There.
Now that you have regained a semblance of sanity, we can continue.

This ain't so hard.
Lynx's list of options ( which, stripped to the core, are basically "I will toss out any PSU that comes with my case and install a real unit") has been valid for quite a while, but even more so now with the need for a 24-pin PSU.

Newegg has what you need (not sure about the blue illumination), but I'm afraid that your budget might need to become a wee bit more ah, flexible.
Moving to the new platforms is way more expensive than in the past as almost everything needs to be upgraded at once.

Your only real opportunity to save cash is on the vid card.
Look into the 6200 series of nVidia.
This could save you quite a bit till you can afford to replace it with a better card.

[S!X]

Yea, I dont like Nvidia's low quality merchandise... Im all for the ATI's I guess I'll have to get ANOTHER PSU for this god damn thing :(

[S!X]

Well my uncle says I can get it for my birthday :D , Just a big favor to ask, If I encounter any problems while building this thing please help me to the best of your abilities please :unsure:

[lynx]

Well my uncle says I can get it for my birthday :D , Just a big favor to ask, If I encounter any problems while building this thing please help me to the best of your abilities please :unsure:Nope, you're on your own. What do you think this is, an advice column? :P

[clocker]

Remembering past "Help! My new PC doesn't work!" threads brings a tear of joy to my eye...ah, the good times.
Naturally we will help you.

In return, we get to make snide comments and generally feel superior.
That's just the price you pay.

Along the way, someone may actually learn something.
Not likely, but possible.

[S!X]

Remembering past "Help! My new PC doesn't work!" threads brings a tear of joy to my eye...ah, the good times.
Naturally we will help you.

In return, we get to make snide comments and generally feel superior.
That's just the price you pay.

Along the way, someone may actually learn something.
Not likely, but possible.

Heh, Whats the chances that somethin bad may happen while putting this together? My friend says i need to get this strap thing that i hook up to the case and it goes around my wrist to ground myself from static :blink: What other precautions should I take while putting this thing together? :ermm: Im a noob when it comes to all this static stuff but I do know how to put a comp together lol

[S!X]

I cant seem to find any good if any power supplies that have 24 pin connectors on newegg, So far this is all Ive found, well for high quality that is. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153023

[clocker]

Comin atcha. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Manufactory=&PropertyCodeValue=1313%3A10111&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=1315%3A9966&PropertyCodeValue=2301%3A13789&description=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&SubCategory=58&Submit=Property)

[S!X]

Comin atcha. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Manufactory=&PropertyCodeValue=1313%3A10111&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=0&PropertyCodeValue=1315%3A9966&PropertyCodeValue=2301%3A13789&description=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&SubCategory=58&Submit=Property)

Nice, Out of all those which one would you choose? (for quality and for the necessary amount of power this rig's gonna need) 430 sould be enough no? Oh yea and how do you know thos have 24 pin connectors? :blink:

[clocker]

Prolly this one. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817151023)
Seasonic is the current darling of the guys at SPCR and also Oklahoma Wolf, the OCF expert.

I know it has 24 pins cause I counted them.

[S!X]

Prolly this one. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817151023)
Seasonic is the current darling of the guys at SPCR and also Oklahoma Wolf, the OCF expert.

I know it has 24 pins cause I counted them.

I see, Whats SPCR & Oklahoma Wolf... :unsure: Can you purchase power supply cable sleeves? :blink:

[clocker]

SPCR= Silent PC Review (.com)
Oklahoma Wolf= the PSU expert on the OC forums

[S!X]

SPCR= Silent PC Review (.com)
Oklahoma Wolf= the PSU expert on the OC forums

Oh I see. :huh:

[lynx]

Apart from the listed manufacturer (mine says Akasa (http://www.akasa.com.tw/), but I know they don't sell in the USA or Canada), that Seasonic PSU looks exactly like the PSU I bought for my system, and even has the same output spec. It is rated as 460W rather than 430W but since the PSU has to be able to convert from any voltage 100-250V it is more efficient at the higher voltage which probably explains the difference. If you add up the power available on each rail it comes to about 600W anyway so it's no big deal. The price is about the same too.

Akasa have only recently started selling PSU's, but their qualty on all their other products has been so good I didn't have any doubts about buying this. Seasonic do not have a big outlet in Europe but Akasa do, so my guess is Akasa get these from Seasonic which would suit both companies. It is VERY quiet and assuming it is the same I would highly recommend it.

[S!X]

Cool lynx, The only problemo is this things almost 2 grand without tax!!!