ABS Ultimate V2 36... worth buying?

[Rip The Jacker]

I want to buy a new PC but I don't want to build it. So I ask you guys, what do you think of this PC, and it's price...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16883102622

Is there anything I should know?

[S!X]

I know you dont want to build one but for not too much more, you could build a way better rig. In my opinion, The only good parts in that comp are the ram, the processor and the harddrive. Not too fond of Nforce3 chipsets. But yet again, It does somewhat depend on what you want to use the comp for like gaming or just the basics.. :unsure:

[Rip The Jacker]

I want a PC for gaming, but I don't want to spend too much...

This PC looked promising for only $1,000. :unsure:

[S!X]

I want a PC for gaming, but I don't want to spend too much...

This PC looked promising for only $1,000. :unsure:

That video card wont do you justice. Thr rig that I *Might* get is gonna cost about 1,000 roughly and its a hell of a lot better then that. I'll add up the base prices of everything and see how much it comes out to. :unsure:

EDIT: Adding up all the prices came out to $996.98 minus shipping costs and taxes. With all the shipping costs on each prduct added in it came out to $1019.46 minus taxes. :lookaroun

[Rip The Jacker]

:(

The GeForce FX 5200 128MB can't be that bad... I mean, I will be able to play games like Doom 3 and UT2004 with it, right? :unsure:

[S!X]

:(

The GeForce FX 5200 128MB can't be that bad... I mean, I will be able to play games like Doom 3 and UT2004 with it, right? :unsure:

Nope. Dunno about UT2004... but im sure as hell it wont run Doom 3.

Shit, I still havent added a CD drive into that total for everything... By rights it should come out to about 1030 or more :( :ermm:

[Rip The Jacker]

Ah dammit.

http://www.digital-daily.com/video/nvidia-nv34/index03.htm

How the hell does the FX5200 get lower scores than the GeForce 4 MX480?

[S!X]

Ah dammit.

http://www.digital-daily.com/video/nvidia-nv34/index03.htm

How the hell does the FX5200 get lower scores than the GeForce 4 MX480?

Dude, Its a POS!! Im tellin you straight up cuz ive got one :pinch: My fps isn CSS is around 50 max... It can run like basic games like max payne and crappy like that... I could barely play NFSU2 on it :cry: I light up the tires and it would lag and almost freeze :cry: Its definately not a card you want for gaming. Id suggest a high end ATI 9800 or higher :D But when it comes to video card it depends of you tastes between nvidia's or ati's :unsure:

[Rip The Jacker]

Damn... I gotta get a PC without spending a fortune, and without building it...

How's this one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16883102623

It comes with a nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT...

[S!X]

Damn... I gotta get a PC without spending a fortune, and without building it...

How's this one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16883102623

It comes with a nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT...

Thats more like it :cool: Your probbly best off getting opinions from the hardware world guru's like clocker or someone :unsure: That should be pretty good tho :blink: :ermm:

[Rip The Jacker]

Yeah the reviews are somewhat impressive...

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/video/NVIDIA/GeForce6600GTAGP/nvref.jpg

It has higher scores than Radeon 9800 Pro:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2277&p=3

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/nvidia%20geforce%206600gt%20agp_11160421120/5476.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/nvidia%20geforce%206600gt%20agp_11160421120/5479.png

The PC's other parts seem to be good also... I guess I should wait and hear from the Hardwareworld guru's... thanks for all your replies so far. :D

[S!X]

Hehe, OMG you 6600GT beats my X800PRO in Doom 3 :cry:

[Rip The Jacker]

Hehe, OMG you 660GT beats my X800PRO in Doom 3 :cry:
Don't worry it isn't mine yet. Your X800Pro kicks my Geforce 4 MX420's ass. :P

[S!X]

Don't worry it isn't mine yet. Your X800Pro kicks my Geforce 4 MX420's ass. :P

I dont have a X800pro yet eaither ;)

[Rip The Jacker]

I dont have a X800pro yet eaither ;)
Oh yeah. :P

So you said your going to build a PC at about the same price with better specs... what are you getting? :)

[S!X]

Oh yeah. :P

So you said your going to build a PC at about the same price with better specs... what are you getting? :)

I might get it for my B-day not sure yet, but heres links to all the parts Ive picked out so far.. even with other opinions im stickin with all these parts ive picked out except the processsor and CD drive (Still need opinions on those).

Case:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144026
Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127196
Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145450
Harddrive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148069
Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103514
Vid card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102496

:) Havent found a cd drive yet :blink:

[Rip The Jacker]

Cool case, it even has a temperature gauge on it. :D

Why a CD drive? Why not a DVD drive or DVD writer?

[S!X]

Cool case, it even has a temperature gauge on it. :D

Why a CD drive? Why not a DVD drive or DVD writer?

I dont need a dvd writer, have no use for it. All I need is just a cd-RW drive that can be used to burn stuff to cd like music and what not. :ermm:

[Rip The Jacker]

I see...

Well it's getting late, I'm going to get some sleep, goodnight. :)

Hoping to hear what other members think of this PC, seems promising...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16883102623

[lynx]

Not bad, but you will be paying top price for a system which is already out of date. Search around for a pci-express based system, either Nforce4 of Via KT890Pro chipset, and socket 939 not socket 754. I don't see anything meeting that spec prebuilt on newegg.

@Linkin Park, get a dvd burner. Why restrict yourself to only burning cd's when for just a small amount extra you can burn dvd's too if you need to. You also won't need a separate dvd player or one of those dreadful combo drives (which don't do either job very successfully).

[clocker]

Not bad, but you will be paying top price for a system which is already out of date.
Yeah, quit picking these socket 754 based systems.
If you are going AMD then the only rational choice is a 939 platform.

Then you need to decide about PCI-express based SLI...is that the path you want to follow or not?
Read up here (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/) to get some basic info.

After making some decisions about the basic hardware we can proceed.
Lynx has some pretty definite ideas about what he likes, personally, I rarely burn discs of any type and bought the Plextor mainly because it is SATA (my system has NO IDE at all...).

Even if you are not going totally SATA you should make sure that you have the option to upgrade in the future...many new boards are featuring up to 8 SATA ports and should be good for a while.

Temporarily at least, beware of ABIT.
They are in severe financial trouble and who knows what might happen.
I have no knowledge of product quality declining, but the lack of future BIOS revisions could turn into a real problem.

If you are a gamer, the DFI LanParty boards are the undisputed topdogs.
Those guys seem to get new BIOS revisions every other day and the support seems very consistent.
They also enjoy a large (and growing) pool of info regarding settings...a useful thing as BIOS settings with a64 chips can be very confusing.

You will also need to pay special attention to RAM.
New boards seem to have gotten much pickier and different memory types (UTT, TCCD, BH-5) make big differences.

Even if you don't physically assemble the PC yourself it's up to you to research the options and make decisions so you get what you want.
This can't be done by simply Googling for price...as you've already seen, your price range is going to buy you into a dead end if you're not careful.

[Rip The Jacker]

See thats the thing, I don't understand this socket 754 or socket 939 stuff.

I did want a PCI express PC, but they end up costing a lot more... I don't want to spend too much..

I guess I'll look around a bit more..

[S!X]

See thats the thing, I don't understand this socket 754 or socket 939 stuff.

I did want a PCI express PC, but they end up costing a lot more... I don't want to spend too much..

I guess I'll look around a bit more..

Whats the MAX you will spend? Try looking at parts and put somethin together... :blink:

[Rip The Jacker]

I guess I could get this one,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16883102627

Athlon 64 3500+ Socket 939

But its so much more, damn my budget. :unsure:

[Rip The Jacker]

Whats the MAX you will spend? Try looking at parts and put somethin together... :blink:
I want to spend around $1,300 max. I don't want to build anything because I don't know how, and in the process of building a PC, there are 3429543 different things that could go wrong.

When it comes to building, I'm pretty much a noob.

[S!X]

Well, If you do encounter any problems building... You could always ask for help on here right? :D

[Rip The Jacker]

Well, If you do encounter any problems building... You could always ask for help on here right? :D
That's true. :)

But I'd rather buy it built... trust me... it's bad. I know how to put in RAM, HDDs, video cards and stuff. But I don't know how to install a CPU, a heatsink (which I think is the thing that goes on top of the CPU :P), the mobo into the case, the fans, and a bunch of other stuff I don't know. :(

EDIT: Oh yeah, and everything related to the BIOS... I don't understand. :lookaroun

[S!X]

That's true. :)

But I'd rather buy it built... trust me... it's bad. I know how to put in RAM, HDDs, video cards and stuff. But I don't know how to install a CPU, a heatsink (which I think is the thing that goes on top of the CPU :P), the mobo into the case, the fans, and a bunch of other stuff I don't know. :(

EDIT: Oh yeah, and everything related to the BIOS... I don't understand. :lookaroun

:yikes: Im 15 and I know how to install all that stuff, Learned most of it from messing around with my own comp and from this forum :lookaroun

[Rip The Jacker]

:yikes: Im 15 and I know how to install all that stuff, Learned most of it from messing around with my own comp and from this forum :lookaroun
Show-off. :P

I don't know too much, simply because I don't mess around with my PC. I've had a bad history of problems. :P

Guess I'm stuck again... I think I should wait a little, until my budget will let me get something more expensive...

[S!X]

You said your willing to spend $1,300 max, You could get my whole rig for less then that :D But like you said you cant put it together :( Maybe you could get a buddy whos into comps to rig it up for you? :unsure:

[S!X]

Temporarily at least, beware of ABIT.
They are in severe financial trouble and who knows what might happen.
I have no knowledge of product quality declining, but the lack of future BIOS revisions could turn into a real problem.


:cry: should I take that FATAL1TY board outta the picture and look elsewhere? :ph34r:

[lynx]

I know how to put in RAM, HDDs, video cards and stuff.Well that's 90% of it to start with. If you are confident about doing that much the rest is really very much the same, but with a few more screws.

There's no reason why a system with Socket 939 and pci-e should be much more expensive, the only difference is the motherboard (maybe $20 more), the graphics card (maybe $20 less) and the cpu (difference depends on which one you go for).

Maybe you should look at other suppliers, newegg isn't the only source. I could beat most of those prices for prebuilt systems in the UK, and our prices are generally quite a bit higher.

[clocker]

But its so much more, damn my budget. :unsure:
Oh, you poor, poor consumer...I feel your pain.

Decide what you MUST have ("x" framerate in Doom3, etc) and then go from there.
Now that you've settled on a platform (socket939) you get to pick a chipset.
I'd recommend nVidia nForce4.

Go big on the motherboard, you can upgrade peripherals easily (add more RAM, even upgrade the CPU), but it's better to start with good underpinnings and work up.

Don't neglect the power supply.
It is increasingly important to today's systems ( which are sucking up watts at an ever rising rate) and is frequently ignored, much to the dismay of trouble-prone owners.

[Rip The Jacker]

Damn.

- I can't buy the parts online and build it because... well I just can't.
- I can't buy a PC from a store, because they overprice the shit out of everything.
- I no longer want to buy the PC online, because I read a bunch of horror stories at resellerratings.com, and if anything goes wrong, returning the PC will be a bitch.

What do I do? :(

[S!X]

Theres always newegg.com if you need to find parts :D

[Rip The Jacker]

True, but who's going to build it? :S

[S!X]

True, but who's going to build it? :S

You got any buddy's who can do it for you?

[Rip The Jacker]

Well yeah, I have a friend who suggested building one, and offered to do it for me. The thing is, I've never seen him build a computer, I don't know if he can do it for sure, or if he can fix any problems that arise.

:-/

[S!X]

Well yeah, I have a friend who suggested building one, and offered to do it for me. The thing is, I've never seen him build a computer, I don't know if he can do it for sure, or if he can fix any problems that arise.

:-/

Heh, I dont think I can fix any problems that arise with this thing I wanna put together but im gonna try my best and if anything happens I'll ask on here :unsure: Im sure clocker would be a good helper. Ask the dude if hes good with that stuff and if he fucks somethin up kick his ass :lookaroun

[Rip The Jacker]

Kicking his ass won't give me my $1,000+ back. :lol:

It's just too much work, I know for a fact that more than one problem will come up. After all, computers die for no reason. And asking for help at a forum is too much trouble. :(

Gah this sucks.

[S!X]

Kicking his ass won't give me my $1,000+ back. :lol:

It's just too much work, I know for a fact that more than one problem will come up. After all, computers die for no reason. And asking for help at a forum is too much trouble. :(

Gah this sucks.

From what your saying is making me think otherwise on getting my comp:( I really dont know if its a good idea anymore.... Even thos i really want it.

[Rip The Jacker]

Sorry I wasn't trying to scare you.

But if you do think about it, there are a million things that can go wrong. The slightest of mistakes can ruin everything. Then you have to go back, find what you did wrong, or whats defective, then send that part back, or fix it. Then there is the computer builders worst nightmare, the blue screen of death.

I just don't know man. I guess I have to find a really good one at a store... :frusty:

[S!X]

Sorry I wasn't trying to scare you.

But if you do think about it, there are a million things that can go wrong. The slightest of mistakes can ruin everything. Then you have to go back, find what you did wrong, or whats defective, then send that part back, or fix it. Then there is the computer builders worst nightmare, the blue screen of death.

I just don't know man. I guess I have to find a really good one at a store... :frusty:

I dunno what to tell you :cry: I hope any problems I may encounter are very minor and easy to fix :unsure:

[Rip The Jacker]

Yeah, good luck with the building. :)

[clocker]

Then you have to go back, find what you did wrong, or whats defective, then send that part back, or fix it. Then there is the computer builders worst nightmare, the blue screen of death.

You think that's the worst nightmare?
Oh, you innocent lamb.
The BSOD can be your best friend...at least you get a stop error and some idea of what is going on.

It really ain't that difficult.
If you POST the board outside the box, then reassemble in place with one new component at a time, the actual assembly is a piece 'o cake.
Our guys can do the whole thing in under an hour, which includes tidying up the wiring.

Most beginners try to do the whole process at once, but if there is a problem they have no idea where to look.
If you try to POST after each item is connected you know exactly where you stand.

Figure it will take you a day the first time.

It's usually not the hardware that causes trouble ( we will assume that you've gotten good quality stuff and it is compatable), Windows is where most folks trip up.

[Rip The Jacker]

[QUOTE=Rip The Jacker]Case:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144026
Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127196
Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145450
Harddrive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148069
Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103514
Vid card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102496

:) Havent found a cd drive yet :blink:
See this building shit confuses me...

I look at the mobo you picked:

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/13-127-196-01.JPG

Then I look at the case you picked:

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/11-144-026-39.JPG

How the hell will that thing fit in there? The mobo has 2 fans at the top of it. I know the purple and green mouse and keyboard plugs will fit into the case where shown. But what about the fans above them? Where will they go? The case is closed above the mouse and keyboard plugs.

:wacko:

[S!X]

Well there just fans lol, That mobo is an ATX mobo and the case is also ATX, so it will work. That mobo also has 2 small fans that go over the ram which I never knew about :D

EDIT: Oh yea about where those fans are gonna go... you see that face plate that has where the keyboard/mouse/usb plugins are? Theres a custom faceplate that comes with that mobo to properly fit it. If it was to use the one with the case it wouldnt work at all.

[Rip The Jacker]

Oh, so those things are called faceplates, they can be removed, and that mobo comes with a custom faceplate. Correct?

I was thinking "How the hell will that fit?" See its things like this that confused me. :S

[S!X]

Oh, so those things are called faceplates, they can be removed, and that mobo comes with a custom faceplate. Correct?

I was thinking "How the hell will that fit?" See its things like this that confused me. :S

Im not sure what there called but that may be it, Thats the only word I could think of to describ them ;) and yea Im pretty sure all mobos come with ones for that specific mobo, They are removable. :01:

[Rip The Jacker]

Ok, lets say I'm buying parts to build a PC. I picked the mobo you picked. How will I get a DVD burner? The mobo doesn't have any IDE, and all the burners I see are IDE. :unsure:

[S!X]

Ok, lets say I'm buying parts to build a PC. I picked the mobo you picked. How will I get a DVD burner? The mobo doesn't have any IDE, and all the burners I see are IDE. :unsure:

Thats what I was wondering myself, If you look in my "A few questions" thread someone said it does :blink: But I didnt think it did :unsure: WTF? I wasnt sure so I asked on here and VB says its good to go and I trust em. :)

[Virtualbody1234]

The specifications listed for the mobo include:
PATA 2 x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
That's Parallel ATA and is IDE. See: definition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATA)
Many terms and synonyms for ATA exist, including abbreviations such as IDE, ATAPI, and UDMA.

You can also see the IDE connectors in the picture:

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/13-127-196-02.JPG

The 2 blue connectors at the botton edge.

[clocker]

Oh, so those things are called faceplates, they can be removed, and that mobo comes with a custom faceplate. Correct?

I was thinking "How the hell will that fit?" See its things like this that confused me. :S
"Faceplate"= I/O panel
I/O= in/out....cause that is where your input/output connectors go....TA-DA!

See?
This is pretty simple.

Is there a reason you are fixated on that Fatality board?
You are paying a hefty premium for some LED lighting and semi-ineffective cooling whizmos.

[Rip The Jacker]

Oh, so those things are called faceplates, they can be removed, and that mobo comes with a custom faceplate. Correct?

I was thinking "How the hell will that fit?" See its things like this that confused me. :S
"Faceplate"= I/O panel
I/O= in/out....cause that is where your input/output connectors go....TA-DA!

See?
This is pretty simple.

Is there a reason you are fixated on that Fatality board?
You are paying a hefty premium for some LED lighting and semi-ineffective cooling whizmos.
See the thing is, I don't know much about mobo's, and the Fatality board has two fans on it, so it must be good. :P

@VB
Thanks for clearing that up. :)

[S!X]

I like the fatality board tho dunno why....I just think its sexy...

[clocker]

I like the fatality board tho dunno why....I just think its sexy...
That's just wrong.
I'm reporting you to the ASPCPCB, ASAP.

Perv.

[Snee]

Sorry I wasn't trying to scare you.

But if you do think about it, there are a million things that can go wrong. The slightest of mistakes can ruin everything. Then you have to go back, find what you did wrong, or whats defective, then send that part back, or fix it. Then there is the computer builders worst nightmare, the blue screen of death.

I just don't know man. I guess I have to find a really good one at a store... :frusty:

I dunno what to tell you :cry: I hope any problems I may encounter are very minor and easy to fix :unsure:
I've never had a prob when putting stuff together*, always works for me(so far, knock on wood n' all that). Just do it in a calm fashion, and if you do run into any trouble, don't panic.

That's assuming you've made sure the parts you've selected are good and will fit together at least on paper, of course.

It doesn't hurt to google the model names of components either. that has saved me from making a couple of bad decisions when I was buying stuff.



*I've done my fair share of sorting out stuff that didn't work as well, but that's usually more than a year later. It's jolly fun sorting out someone's computer 'cos their PSU has been fried, or 'cos some caps on his mobo has blown, btw.

[S!X]

I hope I have your luck Snny :D

[Virtualbody1234]

@VB
Thanks for clearing that up. :)
No problem. :)