Good Luck Liv'pool

[Mr JP Fugley]

For t'champ's league final.

[manker]

This arrived this morning, I paid £6.50 on t'Ebay. Plus p&p of course.

http://img138.echo.cx/img138/6149/picture003321bk.jpg

Bargain.

[MCHeshPants420]

Good luck Liverpool.

Ugh, never thought I'd write that.

[JPaul]

This arrived this morning, I paid £6.50 on t'Ebay. Plus p&p of course.

http://img138.echo.cx/img138/6149/picture003321bk.jpg

Bargain.
Bitter and twisted, two of my favourite things.

Good luck Liverpool, play up and so forth.

[manker]

Bitter and twisted, two of my favourite things.Mais oui.

It was tricky being the only Man Utd supporter in a junior school playground full of Liverpool glory boys. When a jaded Dalgleish and ultimately Souness turned them to shite while I was in comprehensive school I definitely appreciated its karmic value.

[Mr JP Fugley]

Bitter and twisted, two of my favourite things.Mais oui.

It was tricky being the only Man Utd supporter in a junior school playground full of Liverpool glory boys. When a jaded Dalgleish and ultimately Souness turned them to shite while I was in comprehensive school I definitely appreciated its karmic value.
the strange thing is that all of this took place in Welsh Wales.

football fan-tastic

[manker]

Mais oui.

It was tricky being the only Man Utd supporter in a junior school playground full of Liverpool glory boys. When a jaded Dalgleish and ultimately Souness turned them to shite while I was in comprehensive school I definitely appreciated its karmic value.
the strange thing is that all of this took place in Welsh Wales.

football fan-tasticAt the time, we didn't have a national league. If we did no doubt I'd be sitting here extolling the virtues of Total Network Solutions or Afan Lido.

Have you heard the news about St Martin yet.

[JPaul]

You heard I let my season ticket go then :(

[manker]

Pretty bad couple of days, all told :(

Now they're touting Strachan as a possible successor. I suppose it might be the making of him but surely a coach with some previous success would be preferable.

[Mr JP Fugley]

Pretty bad couple of days, all told :(

Now they're touting Strachan as a possible successor. I suppose it might be the making of him but surely a coach with some previous success would be preferable.
Sorry,

Picked you up wrong there, I thought you were referring to a Welsh team.

Me = arse, but not fair weather fan.

What is the news of which you speak. I have avoided the papers for a few days.

[manker]

Oh, hehe. I referred to him as St Martin because he's left to look after his missus, who is a bit poorly. The bloke clearly loves being a manager, it must have been a wrench.

My mate said that it was also in the papers yesterday but only confirmed today. Like you, I have also been avoiding the sports pages :mellow:

[JPaul]

Oh, hehe. I referred to him as St Martin because he's left to look after his missus, who is a bit poorly. The bloke clearly loves being a manager, it must have been a wrench.

My mate said that it was also in the papers yesterday but only confirmed today. Like you, I have also been avoiding the sports pages :mellow:
Do me a favour, can you think of a sentence containing the words two, nil, fish and barrel. I'm struggling with this one.

[manker]

Feck awf, gitley.

I've been avoiding the sports pages myself and only found out an hour ago. I demand a recount :pinch:

[JPaul]

Feck awf, gitley.

I've been avoiding the sports pages myself and only found out an hour ago. I demand a recount :pinch:
Haven't we had this conversation before.

I get a point anyway, for your crap attempt at England = UK elsewhere.

[{I}{K}{E}]

/me thinks Milan will win with 4-3 after penalties

[manker]

Feck awf, gitley.

I've been avoiding the sports pages myself and only found out an hour ago. I demand a recount :pinch:
Haven't we had this conversation before.

I get a point anyway, for your crap attempt at England = UK elsewhere.I haven't even been rodding today!

Well, maybe a bit of mod rodmanship, but that's par for of course. Now that is a crap rodding attempt.

[manker]

/me thinks Milan will win with 4-3 after penaltiesI'm getting really drunk first so the match will go quicker.


I agree with you tho', IKE. Milan FTW on penalties :01:

[Rat Faced]

and ultimately Souness turned them to shite

And as we're finding out now :(

Good luck Liverpool, although i wont be watching.

[hillnomis]

come on the reds then we can stick the cup outside goodison so their fans can get a close look cos their euro adventure wont last five mins

[manker]

come on the reds then we can stick the cup outside goodison so their fans can get a close look cos their euro adventure wont last five minsI'm betting it's going to last at least 180 mins.

Btw, if you do win it, I wouldn't stick the cup outside there for very long. In fact are you sure it's wise to even take it on an open-top bus :unsure:

[JPaul]

come on the reds then we can stick the cup outside goodison so their fans can get a close look cos their euro adventure wont last five mins
Have Liverpool managed to get a place in Europe for next year yet.

[hillnomis]

eufa cup

[JPaul]

eufa cup
kewl

Good luck with that as well.

[Rat Faced]

In fact are you sure it's wise to even take it on an open-top bus

Dont be daft.. where would they get a bus that still had all its wheels? :blink:

[manker]

In fact are you sure it's wise to even take it on an open-top bus

Dont be daft.. where would they get a bus that still had all its wheels? :blink: :lol: :D


Btw, welcome to the forum, hillnomis ;)

[jimmy23]

LIVERPOOL to win 2-1, my prediction. Luis Garcia 35min, Andriy Schevchenko 67min and a gerrrrrrrrrrrrd screamer in the 91 minute!!!

[jimmy23]

they have been playing well in the champions league and thoroughly deserve the title if they end up winning tomorrow

[JPaul]

LIVERPOOL to win 2-1, my prediction. Luis Garcia 35min, Andriy Schevchenko 67min and a gerrrrrrrrrrrrd screamer in the 91 minute!!!
Very specific prediction.

Stick a quid on that and you will win the GDP of a small nation.

Wales perhaps.

[DanB]

Come on teh Scouse :01:

[{I}{K}{E}]

GOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


00:53 min. :lol:


:01:

[Peerzy]

Its gonna play in there favour imo.

Ofcourse they would have wished not to concede it but Chelsea conceded 1 in 50 seconds and went onto win the Carling Cup.

[DanB]

Bollocks, that will teach me to pop down the pub quickly

[Peerzy]

You should have got back quicker, see i found a pro arguement for drink driving :D

[DanB]

If I knew how to drive I would have, I only popped down for a pint and a chat with a man about a dog :whistling

[Peerzy]

Your already drink driving might as well not have a liscense.

[DanB]

Harry Kewell is such a waste of money :frusty:

[Peerzy]

Kewell is not kwl :(

[DanB]

Nice goal by Crespo

[Peerzy]

Should have been a penalty tho, he moves his arm in the way and Garcia would have had a shot on goal otherwise.

[Peerzy]

3-0 :(

[DanB]

and another

[Peerzy]

Might add a few euro's to his transfer price, good for Chelsea at least.

[Rick Phlegm]

Nice catching up so far :blink:

[{I}{K}{E}]

3-2

[DanB]

fuck me, we have a game on our hands now :01:

3-2

[Peerzy]

If anyone ever doubted the effect the liverpool fans have on the team they should be watching this match.

[{I}{K}{E}]

Omg !!!!!!!


Penalty!!!

[DanB]

he's only given them the pen :01:

[{I}{K}{E}]

3-3




:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Peerzy]

You fucking what :huh:

[DanB]

and scored on the rebound of the save!!!!

go on :01:

[Rick Phlegm]

Loving the expressions on the faces of the AC Milan fans :D

[Peerzy]

Good penalty, unlucky to score it from the spot but top class finnish when he had a keeper and 2 defenders swarming in.

Should have been a sending off, rule book says if the player takes someone out in the box and he is the last man its red.

[DanB]

Extra time, who'd have thought it at half time :lol:

[Peerzy]

Im guessing not the AC Milan coach.

[DanB]

:lol: nor me

[99%]

Unbelievable game

[Illuminati]

I swear my heart has stopped a few times in that match :ohmy: :w00t:

[DanB]

I swear my heart has stopped a few times in that match :ohmy: :w00t:

:lol:

I bet it has

[Peerzy]

My heart hasn't had a beat for near 50 minutes, infact i think it went for a walk as i need a shit now :(

[99%]

no

really

unbelievable game

[ahctlucabbuS]

A bit late, but...

stream of the match
http://www.asiaplate.com/live.today.htm

[DanB]

damn good double save

[Peerzy]

Its going down to the:

http://www.soccernet.com/images/england/PenSpot_SB.jpg

me thinks.

[Peerzy]

Milan Miss.

[DanB]

he hoofed it

[Peerzy]

Liverpool Score.

[{I}{K}{E}]

Penalties:


O-1

[DanB]

yay

[DanB]

Dudek saves :o

[Peerzy]

Milan Miss

[{I}{K}{E}]

Penalties:

O-1
O-2

[DanB]

well you could knock me down with a feather

[Peerzy]

Cissi (Liverpool) Score.

2-0

[Peerzy]

Milan Score

2-1

Liverpool have penalty in hand.

[{I}{K}{E}]

Penalties:

O-1
O-2
1-2

[Peerzy]

Riise (Liverpool) Miss.

[DanB]

saved

[Peerzy]

2-1 If it stays like this and both teams score or both teams miss Liverpool win.

[Peerzy]

Kaka (Milan) Score.

2-2

Liverpool have penalty in hand.

[{I}{K}{E}]

Penalties:

O-1
O-2
1-2
2-3

[Peerzy]

Liverpool Score.

1 more save for Liverpool/1 More goal for Liverpool wins it for them.

Shevshenko has to score and hope Liverpool miss.

[Peerzy]

Shevchenko Misses.

[{I}{K}{E}]

Liverpool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DanB]

Well done Liverpool :01:

[Peerzy]

Liverpool are Champions of Europe again.

(But won't be able to retain it)

[Jon L. Obscene]

Ok this does'nt really interest me anymore so congrats Liverpool.

But I would like to ask a question, has the "Keeper must not move before the ball is kicked durin a penalty" rule been abolished? :huh:
Cos I just watched Liverpools keeper dance the fandango before the guy even started running :huh:

Jonno :cool:

[ahctlucabbuS]

:01:

[DanB]

Cos they aren't allowed to even try :dry:

[Peerzy]

Apparently Gerrard said he wanted to take the penultimate penalty (the one that Liverpool would have needed to score) but because of Shevchencko's miss he didn't need to take it.

Also its only the second time a team have come back from behind to win, the first being Man Unt 5 years ago.

[{I}{K}{E}]

Ok this does'nt really interest me anymore so congrats Liverpool.

But I would like to ask a question, has the "Keeper must not move before the ball is kicked durin a penalty" rule been abolished? :huh:
Cos I just watched Liverpools keeper dance the fandango before the guy even started running :huh:

Jonno :cool:

officially he needs 2 stay on the line until the ball is touched (I think it's allowed to move)

[Jon L. Obscene]

So the ref just was'nt watching then?
Ok thanks for clearing that up :rolleyes:

Jonno :cool:

[DarthInsinuate]

i should have given them more credit, i thought it was over at half-time

[Peerzy]

If you watch Shevcheko's penalty he misses then follows it up and celebrates and then turns round and realises it didn't count :lol:

[Jon L. Obscene]

Good game by all accounts then?
I saw a couple of highlights, would seem liverpools keeper deserves a big drink.

Ironic really, I think the last Euro cup final I watched liverpool won that too :frusty:

Nowich next year :01:

doh :(

Jonno :cool:

[JPaul]

Walk On.

[Illuminati]

Good game by all accounts then?
I saw a couple of highlights, would seem liverpools keeper deserves a big drink.

Ironic really, I think the last Euro cup final I watched liverpool won that too :frusty:

Nowich next year :01:

doh :(

Jonno :cool:

That had to be one of the most unbelievable, heart-stopping matches I've seen in a while :D

I'm glad that goal soon after the first Milan one got discounted due to offside. We should have lost so many times it was unbelievable - Especially those close shots towards the end of full-time :ohmy:

Likewise with the penalties - I thought we lost it, but after the first Milan penalty my heart was stopping as each went through.

Congrats to Liverpool - To go from 3-0 at half-time to a close run of penalties, that match will be remembered for a while. AC Milan were playing great and it was anyone's game until the end - My congrats to them :)

I'll leave with a very special anthem. But still, I leave a thought - The FA made clear that Liverpool will not take a place in next year's Champions League. But that doesn't mean that UEFA won't overrule them and offer them a place somehow ;) We'll find out over time.

When you walk through the storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
There's a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of the lark

Walk on, through the wind
Walk on, through the rain
Though your dreams be tossed and blown
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone

[DanB]

The FA made clear that Liverpool will not take a place in next year's Champions League. But that doesn't mean that UEFA won't overrule them and offer them a place somehow ;) We'll find out over time.


I hope they do, it will be a joke if they are unable to try to retain the title

[99%]

http://www.vg.no/bilder/bildarkiv/1117049824.55938.jpg

[Illuminati]

The FA made clear that Liverpool will not take a place in next year's Champions League. But that doesn't mean that UEFA won't overrule them and offer them a place somehow ;) We'll find out over time.


I hope they do, it will be a joke if they are unable to try to retain the title

Well it could be a good thing if they don't - If Liverpool don't go through, next year's winners have a hollow victory because the champions weren't defeated in the process.

Having said that, I'd prefer Liverpool did go through and defend it, whether they end up successful or not :)

[Rat Faced]

Nowich Jonno?

Shouldnt be allowed to type with a speech impediment :P

Congrats Liverpool.. left it a little late though :blink:

[MCHeshPants420]

I hope they do, it will be a joke if they are unable to try to retain the title

Well it could be a good thing if they don't - If Liverpool don't go through, next year's winners have a hollow victory because the champions weren't defeated in the process.

Having said that, I'd prefer Liverpool did go through and defend it, whether they end up successful or not :)


Good game. I shouted myself hoarse, haven't been that behind a non-NUFC team since Man Utd beat Bayern Munich in the same competition. Best come-back ever.

The whole thing about them maybe not being in next seasons Euro Cup is scandalous. There should be a place reserved for the holders, plain and simple. They're the European champions ffs. :dry:

[Barbarossa]

Unbelievable game.. Steven Gerrard was incredible!! And Dudek, I haven't seen antics like that since Grobbelaar..

Is there anyone in England who is not a Liverpool fan right now? :huh:

[DarthInsinuate]

about a month ago i was a Chelsea fan :unsure:

[JPaul]

It's a matter for the FA to decide who gets the places.

It is unlikely they will change the allocations as they stand.

That would be too harsh.

[manker]

Is there anyone in England who is not a Liverpool fan right now? :huh:There are a few in Wales.

Aparently they're right twats who wore Milan shirts to the pub and got the piss ripped out of them 'til 2am :pinch:

[manker]

It's a matter for the FA to decide who gets the places.

It is unlikely they will change the allocations as they stand.

That would be too harsh.Quite right.

The only possible way for them to be included in next years competition is at someone else's expense. That would be, as you say, harsh in the extreme.

Liverpool FC were aware of the rules when they entered the competition. If they did not agree with them then they should not have taken part.

[MCHeshPants420]

It's a matter for the FA to decide who gets the places.

It is unlikely they will change the allocations as they stand.

That would be too harsh.Quite right.

The only possible way for them to be included in next years competition is at someone else's expense. That would be, as you say, harsh in the extreme.

Liverpool FC were aware of the rules when they entered the competition. If they did not agree with them then they should not have taken part.


There should be a reserved place for the winners in the first place, that's what is so silly. Didn't the winners used to automatically qualify? When did it stop?

If that's the rules so be it, I'm not saying change the rules to allow Liverpool in now just more annoyed that this situation has occurred. On the other hand it is a nice counter to any overly smug Liverpool fans. :shifty:

[manker]

overly smug Liverpool fanstautological :dry:

[manker]

Quite right.

The only possible way for them to be included in next years competition is at someone else's expense. That would be, as you say, harsh in the extreme.

Liverpool FC were aware of the rules when they entered the competition. If they did not agree with them then they should not have taken part.


There should be a reserved place for the winners in the first place, that's what is so silly. Didn't the winners used to automatically qualify? When did it stop?

If that's the rules so be it, I'm not saying change the rules to allow Liverpool in now just more annoyed that this situation has occurred. On the other hand it is a nice counter to any overly smug Liverpool fans. :shifty:I think it stopped when the format for the CL changed from knock out to league in the early stages.

I do agree, btw, that it's a bit silly for the winners not to be able to defend it but as you say, rules are rules. Maybe they'll change it for next year and some smaller country won't get a spot in the CL or a larger country will get their allocation cut.

[Illuminati]

At this point, it'll be foolish to predict what will happen.

It looks UEFA's current stance is that while they relate to Liverpool in the circumstances, they won't make the FA give them a place. Having said that, the UEFA President and Chief Executive have both expressed personal wishes for Liverpool to defend the title.

I guess we'll find out what happens soon enough. No matter what happens, an upset is sadly unavoidable.

I'll say this though - If Everton do indeed take the place, they'd better bloody win it! :P

[manker]

I'll say this though - If Everton do indeed take the placeThey've already taken it, by finishing fourth.

Just try, for a minute, to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. I'm quite sure that there would be no benevolence among your lot if that was the case.

So ... it is rather hypocritical to expect Everton to sit this one out.

[Illuminati]

[quote=Illuminati]Just try, for a minute, to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. I'm quite sure that there would be no benevolence among your lot if that was the case.

So ... it is rather hypocritical to expect Everton to sit this one out.

If the champion did not get into the final four, I'd still prefer the champions to still get a place in next year's league. Doesn't matter that Liverpool won it - That view would still apply whether it was Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle or even West Bromwich Albion.

Just try, for a minute, to imagine that I wasn't an ignorant Liverpool supporter and (unlike many United fans I was talking to yesterday) that I can forget a domestic rivalry to cheer on a national level. Hell, I actually supported United for the FA Cup final, and they did deserve it compared to le Arsenal.

And TBH, I'm not expecting Everton to lose their place because of Liverpool. I'm hoping UEFA do something that'll let LFC in but not to take Everton's place.

But I still think that Everton would probably have as much chance of winning the Champions League as Norwich :dry:

[manker]

[QUOTE=manker]

If the champion did not get into the final four, I'd still prefer the champions to still get a place in next year's league - Doesn't matter whether Liverpool won it or not. And that view would still be there whether it was Liverpool, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle or even West Bromwich Albion.

And TBH, I'm not expecting Everton to lose their place because of Liverpool. I'm hoping UEFA do something that'll let LFC in but not to take Everton's place. I would also like the champions to be able to defend their title - as I posted an hour ago - but this year, which is what we're talking about, provision hasn't been made if they do not qualify through their domestic league.

What you're suggesting HAS to involve another club missing out, whether it be Everton or a club from abroad. There is no other way.

You're a hypocrite if you want Liverpool to defend their title this year at the expense of a different team because YOU wouldn't be magnanimous should it be Liverpool that had to give up their hard earned right to compete. None of us would.

You should accept the situation with dignity rather than bitch. Not that I expect any Liverpool fans to do that, of course.
Just try, for a minute, to imagine that I wasn't an ignorant Liverpool supporter and (unlike many United fans I was talking to yesterday) that I can forget a domestic rivalry to cheer on a national level. Hell, I actually supported United for the FA Cup final, and they did deserve it compared to le Arsenal.That's totally irrelevant. What is your point, I'm talking about Liverpool's right to compete next year.
But I still think that Everton would probably have as much chance of winning the Champions League as Norwich :dry:The same could be said of Liverpool this year and Porto before them. Shocks happen in cup competitions, domestic leagues are needed to sort the wheat from the chaff.

[MCHeshPants420]

They should do what they did in Karate Kid III for Ralph Macchio.

[Illuminati]

I would also like the champions to be able to defend their title - as I posted an hour ago - but this year, which is what we're talking about, provision hasn't been made if they do not qualify through their domestic league.

What you're suggesting HAS to involve another club missing out, whether it be Everton or a club from abroad. There is no other way.

Not really. ATM the group stages eliminate the 32 teams into eight for the playoffs. It can safely made that one group takes five teams.

Admittedly, this would be unusual and be like taking the short straw during the draw, but it would be the best method of the champions still competiting (so they can be defeated) while making sure no other team suffers because of their presence.


You're a hypocrite if you want Liverpool to defend their title this year at the expense of a different team because YOU wouldn't be magnanimous should it be Liverpool that had to give up their hard earned right to compete. None of us would.

I'd be a little pissed if it happens, but the fact that then they'd have no claim to entry would mean the feeling would subside.

If it eventually comes that Liverpool will indeed not qualify in any way for the Champions League next year, so be it. But to believe that many Liverpool fans will not hope that the new development of winning the title less than 24 hours ago may not hold a chance is naive at best.

As I said long ago in this thread, what happens happens. Not everyone will be content within whatever happens in the short-term aftermath of the match, but this matter will (gladly) be finished within a few weeks one way or another.


You should accept the situation with dignity rather than bitch. Not that I expect any Liverpool fans to do that, of course.

Oh go screw yourself, you welsh United wannabe. United's bitching roar would be even worse if it was on the other foot and you know it. :P


That's totally irrelevant. What is your point, I'm talking about Liverpool's right to compete next year.

My point is that you've been wanting Liverpool to lose before the match, and I get the feeling you can't stand the thought of one of United's rivals having the chance to defend it if it could be helped. Especially since each of United's rivals have stopped United getting silverware - Chelsea with the Premiership, Arsenal with the FA Cup, and now Liverpool with the Champions League.

I'm not saying you've been one-sided, but I do say you've been biased.


Shocks happen in cup competitions, domestic leagues are needed to sort the wheat from the chaff.

We're agreed on sorting the wheat from the chaff - It's just a case of whether the reigning team should go through.

Thinking about it though, it'd be more interesting if only the champions of each domestic league went through. It'd make it a bit more faster and make it deserve the term Champions League a bit more. :ph34r:

[MCHeshPants420]

Not really. ATM the group stages eliminate the 32 teams into eight for the playoffs. It can safely made that one group takes five teams.

They could also try and find some way of fitting them into the qualifying stages if they did decide to have them in the tournament.

[JPaul]

I believe a Welsh team offered to play an extra qualifying place against Liverpool. With the winner going into the qualifiers proper.

Seems like a good solution to me. Small team gets good gates and possible TV money. Liverpool get chance to play in tournament.

That's the only way I could see it work, with everyone happy. However UEFA would have to circumvent their own rules to do it and I suspect they will avoid that.

Rules is rules and everybody knows them.

Shame.

PS I also agree it is mentalist that the winner does not get an automatic place.

[Illuminati]

I have to admit it's a good solution :) but something doesn't feel that right about it, having to fight for what's rightfully theirs anyway.

I would love to see Liverpool go through. I really would. But to take another team's place, even being the champions that doesn't feel right. Only thing I'd like is for the Welsh team to beat Liverpool if that happens - Welsh team qualifies, the champions have their unofficial chance & the champions' defeat is there.

I think the reason there is no automatic place is because most of the time the champions have qualified. Looking at it in another light though, maybe it would be a good thing if Liverpool didn't go through; like manker said, they didn't earn the right to qualify. And rather than it being a persistant competition as say boxing (and as I originally saw it), it's an annual tournament; teams have to qualify.

What I would love to see instead though is the winners of next year's champions league take on Liverpool in a friendly after the final - Can't win a contest without defeating the champions ;)

[manker]

Not really. ATM the group stages eliminate the 32 teams into eight for the playoffs. It can safely made that one group takes five teams.

Admittedly, this would be unusual and be like taking the short straw during the draw, but it would be the best method of the champions still competiting (so they can be defeated) while making sure no other team suffers because of their presence.


You're a hypocrite if you want Liverpool to defend their title this year at the expense of a different team because YOU wouldn't be magnanimous should it be Liverpool that had to give up their hard earned right to compete. None of us would.

I'd be a little pissed if it happens, but the fact that then they'd have no claim to entry would mean the feeling would subside.

If it eventually comes that Liverpool will indeed not qualify in any way for the Champions League next year, so be it. But to believe that many Liverpool fans will not hope that the new development of winning the title less than 24 hours ago may not hold a chance is naive at best.

As I said long ago in this thread, what happens happens. Not everyone will be content within whatever happens in the short-term aftermath of the match, but this matter will (gladly) be finished within a few weeks one way or another.


You should accept the situation with dignity rather than bitch. Not that I expect any Liverpool fans to do that, of course.

Oh go screw yourself, you welsh United wannabe. United's bitching roar would be even worse if it was on the other foot and you know it. :P


That's totally irrelevant. What is your point, I'm talking about Liverpool's right to compete next year.

My point is that you've been wanting Liverpool to lose before the match, and I get the feeling you can't stand the thought of one of United's rivals having the chance to defend it if it could be helped. Especially since each of United's rivals have stopped United getting silverware - Chelsea with the Premiership, Arsenal with the FA Cup, and now Liverpool with the Champions League.

I'm not saying you've been one-sided, but I do say you've been biased.


Shocks happen in cup competitions, domestic leagues are needed to sort the wheat from the chaff.

We're agreed on sorting the wheat from the chaff - It's just a case of whether the reigning team should go through.

Thinking about it though, it'd be more interesting if only the champions of each domestic league went through. It'd make it a bit more faster and make it deserve the term Champions League a bit more. :ph34r:Now that is better, you were intimating earlier that Everton should be forced to step aside, this new viewpoint is one I agree with for the most part. However, your logistics are askew.

The only way to properly incorporate them into the tournament is to make one of the groups in the first round proper a five team round-robin. They'd have to bypass the qualifiers then tho' - which is obviously unfair given their lowly final position in the Premiership and the increased number of games that the other clubs would have to play c.f. the teams in other groups. Sir Alex certainly wouldn't like that and neither would UEFA, one presumes.

The idea of them going into the qualifiers is also fraught with problems as insted of having 56 teams competeing for 16 places, you now have 57. The three qualifying rounds for the CL are intricate and meticulously planned with 20 teams competeing in the first round, an extra 18 enter at the second round stage and a final 18 are added in the 3rd round.

If Liverpool were to enter in any of the stages - even if an extra play-off against a Welsh club was organised - then you'd have an odd number of clubs so it simply wouldn't work. When I said that another club would have to miss out if the rules were changed such that Liverpool were able to defend their title, this is what I meant.


Now where is the anti-Liverpool bias in that. It's simply mathematics.

Someone will have to miss out if Liverpool are to defend the cup. You've now said that you don't want that therefore I must assume that due to this fact you don't want Liverpool in next years competition.

Neither do I but I also have extra reason. I fucking hate Liverpool and wish misfortune on them :)

[JPaul]

I have to admit it's a good solution :) but something doesn't feel that right about it, having to fight for what's rightfully theirs anyway.

That's the point, it isn't rightfully theirs.

UEFA gave the FA the places. The FA decided how they would be allocated. Liverpool don't get a place.

Had the FA ruling been fourth place team, unless an English team wins the competition and failed to finish in the first three in the Premiership.

They didn't, so Liverpool do not rightfully get a place.

[JPaul]

manboy

Your numberage is as ever implacable.

However the idea was to play an extra qualifier. Then only one of the teams would go into the qualifiers proper and the arithmetic of the competition would be uninfected.

[manker]

manboy

Your numberage is as ever implacable.

However the idea was to play an extra qualifier. Then only one of the teams would go into the qualifiers proper and the arithmetic of the competition would be uninfected.So play a team that had already qualified for the first qualifying round?

Yeah, that'd work :blushing:


Seems like a sensible solution provided the team playing Liverpool are kewl with it, which they clearly are as they suggested it.

Damn. Now I've only got my hatred of all things Scouse as a reason why they shouldn't compete next year.

[JPaul]

manboy

Your numberage is as ever implacable.

However the idea was to play an extra qualifier. Then only one of the teams would go into the qualifiers proper and the arithmetic of the competition would be uninfected.So play a team that had already qualified for the first qualifying round?

Yeah, that'd work :blushing:


Seems like a sensible solution provided the team playing Liverpool are kewl with it, which they clearly are as they suggested it.

Damn. Now I've only got my hatred of all things Scouse as a reason why they shouldn't compete next year.


You could also get on some sort of parochial "high horse" re a poor Welsh team prostituting itself to suurvive, in the "cut-throat" world that is modern football.

[Illuminati]

Seems like a sensible solution provided the team playing Liverpool are kewl with it, which they clearly are as they suggested it.

Damn. Now I've only got my hatred of all things Scouse as a reason why they shouldn't compete next year.

Look at it this way manks - If true & made concrete, this means that Liverpool has an additional match for next year's CL.

Which means another match Liverpool have to win to defend the title.

Which means another match they could potentially lose and crash out of the CL in humiliation ;)

[manker]

So play a team that had already qualified for the first qualifying round?

Yeah, that'd work :blushing:


Seems like a sensible solution provided the team playing Liverpool are kewl with it, which they clearly are as they suggested it.

Damn. Now I've only got my hatred of all things Scouse as a reason why they shouldn't compete next year.


You could also get on some sort of parochial "high horse" re a poor Welsh team prostituting itself to suurvive, in the "cut-throat" world that is modern football.I've just phoned my mate to give him the bad news. He's suggested we find out which team has bent over for Liverpool's benefit and smash their windows until they reconsider their indecent proposal.

[manker]

Seems like a sensible solution provided the team playing Liverpool are kewl with it, which they clearly are as they suggested it.

Damn. Now I've only got my hatred of all things Scouse as a reason why they shouldn't compete next year.

Look at it this way manks - If true & made concrete, this means that Liverpool has an additional match for next year's CL.

Which means another match Liverpool have to win to defend the title.

Which means another match they could potentially lose and crash out of the CL in humiliation ;)Now that has made me feel slightly better :D

[JPaul]

You could also get on some sort of parochial "high horse" re a poor Welsh team prostituting itself to suurvive, in the "cut-throat" world that is modern football.I've just phoned my mate to give him the bad news. He's suggested we find out which team has bent over for Liverpool's benefit and smash their windows until they reconsider their indecent proposal.

Nah, stick to the traditional Welsh ways.

http://www.artnet.com/artwork_images/309/130303t.jpg

[Illuminati]

Look at it this way manks - If true & made concrete, this means that Liverpool has an additional match for next year's CL.

Which means another match Liverpool have to win to defend the title.

Which means another match they could potentially lose and crash out of the CL in humiliation ;)Now that has made me feel slightly better :D

Thought it might :)

BTW while watching ITV's coverage of the parade, word from an interview from someone with the FA is that the Liverpool thing are exceptional circumstances and will be asking EUFA is there's an exceptional way Liverpool can go through.

Not trying to fan the flames from before, just saying what the latest words seem to be (still no word on the Welsh team's offer, which is weird considering the british media :blink: )

EDIT: They are, they aren't, they are, they are...Oh sod this. I'm waiting until either the FA or UEFA start an announcement on what happens.

[JPaul]

One thing I think is certain, Everton will get to play in the tournament.

I think anything else would be totally untenable.

[hillnomis]

if u win the world cup or host it u get in free next time same with euro championships why not do it for champions league ?
so why not let whoever wins it ,defend it without qualifying and give the host nation an extra place.

[Illuminati]

One thing I think is certain, Everton will get to play in the tournament.

I think anything else would be totally untenable.

Aye. One way or another, it Everton don't make get to play it'd be a robbery.

Having said that, I'm surprised we haven't mentioned the obvious possibility - Liverpool Derby! :D

[JPaul]

if u win the world cup or host it u get in free next time same with euro championships why not do it for champions league ?
so why not let whoever wins it ,defend it without qualifying and give the host nation an extra place.
I think the changed things for t'World Cup.

However I do agree with the sentiment. Winner should get an automatic place. anything else dimimishes it's worth.

[JPaul]

One thing I think is certain, Everton will get to play in the tournament.

I think anything else would be totally untenable.

Aye. One way or another, it Everton don't make get to play it'd be a robbery.

Having said that, I'm surprised we haven't mentioned the obvious possibility - Liverpool Derby! :D

I assume you are joking

[manker]

If Derby are going to get a chance to qualify too then I want Cardiff City put into the hat :dry:

[manker]

I think the changed things for t'World Cup. Did he fit that in between his FST radio exploits.

[Illuminati]

I assume you are joking

Like Laurel & Hardy ;)

(Still wouldn't mind seeing it though :unsure: )

[manker]

I've just phoned my mate to give him the bad news. He's suggested we find out which team has bent over for Liverpool's benefit and smash their windows until they reconsider their indecent proposal.

Nah, stick to the traditional Welsh ways.

http://www.artnet.com/artwork_images/309/130303t.jpgI've never had a good word to say about the Welsh F.A. before, they notoriously failed to organise a piss up in a Cardiff brewery a few years ago, but they've said that Total Network Solutions cannot play Liverpool in a play-off lest they will give their CL spot to the second placed team.

Link. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/league_of_wales/4582621.stm)

FAW FTW :01: :01:

[JPaul]

I think the changed things for t'World Cup. Did he fit that in between his FST radio exploits.
:blink:

He's been a busy chap has our the.

Bloody no good letter thief, following me about.

[manker]

D-Day today for Liverpool. In a couple of hours UEFA will tell them the verdict.

I imagine that if it's favourable Liverpool FC will make an announcement, if not then Liverpool City Council will organise the emission of a high pitched whine that will be audible to the naked ear from as far afield as the Andromeda constellation.

I think they'll let 'em into the qualifying rounds but don't know the logistics of this yet. Another point to note is the possibility that Man Utd, Everton, Arsenal and Chelsea will lose £5million a piece if this happens because the prize money pool divied up between the Premier League clubs may have to be split five ways instead of four :dry:

[Peerzy]

Yup, each English team will lose 4.8 Mill if Liverpool get entered. Also if they go int the qualifying rounds it is likley there multi million pound tour of Japan would have to be canceled. Hopefully they can go right into the group stages and the lowest ranking team be put down to the qualifying rounds.

[manker]

Hopefully they can go right into the group stages and the lowest ranking team be put down to the qualifying roundsThe Turkish FA will go nuts. I don't think that will happen. Also Everton will go nuts if they lose out on £5million.

A good compromise would be for Liverpool to receive no prize money (since they didn't qualify by right) and have to enter at the first qualifying round, meaning the cancellation of their pre-season tour of Japan and friendlies against some German teams.

If it's that important to them, they shouldn't baulk at that :snooty:

[manker]

They're in.

They'll have to cancel their friendlies and their tour of the Far East but will get a share of the prize pot. This share will be smaller than the other four Premiership teams but at least it's not an equal share. I suspect only Everton will argue this - tho' Man Utd's new board (:dry:) may also register their disapproval with UEFA.

Also they won't get any country protection meaning that they could get drawn in the same qualifying group as Chelsea or Arsenal (not Man Utd).

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Now they can play CL next season :dry:

They changed the rules... bleh, I think this is really unfair

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there is also a new football rule (for testing) starting with the WK -20.


it's about the offside rule, if a player gets a pass when he is offside but he does not touch the ball it isnt offside :wacko:

[manker]

there is also a new football rule (for testing) starting with the WK -20.


it's about the offside rule, if a player gets a pass when he is offside but he does not touch the ball it isnt offside :wacko:That seems to be a good idea but will lead to more players standing in offside positions hoping to get between defender and goalkeeper should the move break down.

It will at least clear up the ambiguity that currently exists where it's really down to the ref's assistant's discretion whether a player is offside if the ball doesn't go near him.


Btw, I also think it's unfair that Liverpool got the rules changed for them, poor Zaragoza :(

I'm still wondering how they've been integrated into the first qualifing round. To add an extra team doesn't seem possible :huh:

[Peerzy]

Also seeing as Man City didn't get Liverpools Uefa cup place who did? Or does that tournament play with 1 less team which again seems impossible :huh:

[manker]

Don't think they've decided who yet. It will prolly be the next team down in the fair play league or something.

[JPaul]

Apparently they are playing Man City in a pre-qualifying qualifier with the winner going into the first round of the qualifying stages proper, the loser going into the UEFA cup.

[Peerzy]

But then wouldn't it mean Man City, who finished 8th could get into the Champions League if im reading you right?

A Liverpool Vs Man City match with winner going into CL and loser into the EC. Surley if they did this it should be Everton Vs Liverpool and that would be unfair on Everton as they earned there place.

[JPaul]

Ah but the winner only goes thro' from the pre-qualifying qualifier into the first round qualifier proper. So they would not be going into the champions league proper, just the first qualifier.

Apparently it was the only solution, other than involving a team from another league and nobody could decide which league would get the extra place. So they stuck with England and picked the highest placed team who did not already have a European place.

It makes sense really.

[manker]

Ah but the winner only goes thro' from the pre-qualifying qualifier into the first round qualifier proper. So they would not be going into the champions league proper, just the first qualifier.

Apparently it was the only solution, other than involving a team from another league and nobody could decide which league would get the extra place. So they stuck with England and picked the highest placed team who did not already have a European place.

It makes sense really.Ah, but Spurs were higher up the Fair Play League than Man City so they will have a nearest the bull penalty round robin tournament with Aston Villa as stalking horses (Villa being the team with the least amount of yellow cards in the last 5 years) because obviously you can't have a nearest the bull round robin penalty tournament with only two teams.

This for the privilege of playing in the pre-qualifying qualifier against Liverpool or Total Network Solutions (depending on the availability of TNS' pitch). If unsuitable I'm led to believe the pre-qualifying qualifier prelude between Liverpool FC and TNS will be played in a neutral country.

[Mr JP Fugley]

Ah but the winner only goes thro' from the pre-qualifying qualifier into the first round qualifier proper. So they would not be going into the champions league proper, just the first qualifier.

Apparently it was the only solution, other than involving a team from another league and nobody could decide which league would get the extra place. So they stuck with England and picked the highest placed team who did not already have a European place.

It makes sense really.Ah, but Spurs were higher up the Fair Play League than Man City so they will have a nearest the bull penalty round robin tournament with Aston Villa as stalking horses (Villa being the team with the least amount of yellow cards in the last 5 years) because obviously you can't have a nearest the bull round robin penalty tournament with only two teams.

This for the privilege of playing in the pre-qualifying qualifier against Liverpool or Total Network Solutions (depending on the availability of TNS' pitch). If unsuitable I'm led to believe the pre-qualifying qualifier prelude between Liverpool FC and TNS will be played in a neutral country.


No they discounted that option early doors, as Sky refused to pay for the TV rights until the match after the semi penultimate round of four. Which made the whole venture ecologically unpossible to modulate.

[Mr JP Fugley]

I'm still wondering how they've been integrated into the first qualifing round. To add an extra team doesn't seem possible :huh:
One of the other teams is playing them in a qualifier, in effect playing an extra game for the right to take the place that team already had.

It was felt that was the fairest way, with only one team suffering, but geting a tie against Liverpool as compensation. Similar to the suggestion t'Welsh team made, as discussed earlier.

[manker]

I'm still wondering how they've been integrated into the first qualifing round. To add an extra team doesn't seem possible :huh:
One of the other teams is playing them in a qualifier, in effect playing an extra game for the right to take the place that team already had.

It was felt that was the fairest way, with only one team suffering, but geting a tie against Liverpool as compensation. Similar to the suggestion t'Welsh team made, as discussed earlier.Gotcha, thanks. I've read articles about Liverpool til I was sick today but couldn't glean that vital piece of info from any of 'em.

[Mr JP Fugley]

Interestingly Liverpool are seeded, but do not have nation protection. So it is posible for them to play Everton in the third qualifier (not seeded) but not Man U (also seeded).

I think there is a similar situation in the group stage . They could go in with Chelsea, but not Arsenal (if memory serves).

[manker]

I read that too, I hope they draw Everton and get pwned.

Bollocks. I just hope they get pwned.

[Mr JP Fugley]

I read that too, I hope they draw Everton and get pwned.

Bollocks. I just hope they get pwned.
If they draw Everton it will go to penalties and they are good at that.

:coat:

[manker]

I read that too, I hope they draw Everton and get pwned.

Bollocks. I just hope they get pwned.
If they draw Everton it will go to penalties and they are good at that.

:coat::bawa:

Am I that drunk already.

[Illuminati]

To be honest, this is exactly as I wanted to happen :D

So what if Liverpool have to start at the first qualifying stage? To be honest, if a champion is destined to win it twice in a row (especially with Liverpool,s luck in the UEFA case), they should start from the beginning.

So what if they don,t get country protection - Just makes it a little more interesting as the nationwide rivalries come out earlier :devil:

So what if they have to take out some of their plans to accommodate the CL qualifiers? While a tour of the far east could be great for the coffers after their victory, they,ll survive. :)

Although I am glad they got through, Liverpool sure were bloody lucky. I just hope they prove it was worth it. :unsure:

To be honest though, the Mirror,s Brian Reade put it better (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/readeonsport/tm_objectid=15618315%26method=full%26siteid=94762-name_page.html)

Inevitably there has been some whinging over UEFA's face-saving decision to let their European champions defend their title. But the whingers should have a word with themselves.

For those miffed at Liverpool's special treatment who say the rules are rules. There weren't any clear-cut rules though were there? Just cop-out clauses which relied on others to take responsibility. Hence the farcical mess.

For Evertonians who feel they may lose out on a couple of million quid. Well, if the FA had followed the only precedent, set by Spain when Real Madrid won the cup yet finished fifth, you'd be in the UEFA Cup now.

For Kopites who feel cheated because their heroes go in at the first-round stage, meaning they must play a few extra games in July. If they'd turned up for a few of the games in March and April Liverpool would not have been in this embarrassing situation in the first place.

This is a political compromise between two sets of red-faced, buck-passing suits. But justice has been done. The European champions will defend their title just as the past 49 champions have been allowed to do.

And those still whinging should realise that for the first time ever, one nation has been invited to have five teams represent them in Europe's premier club competition. And that country is England.

Twenty years after we were booted out of all continental football and treated like lepers.

[manker]

To be honest though, the Mirror,s Brian Reade put it better (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/readeonsport/tm_objectid=15618315%26method=full%26siteid=94762-name_page.html)Yes he did - but he omitted the people who just plain hate Liverpool and wanted to laugh at them for being worse than Everton throughout the season and so not being able to defend their spawny cup victory.

Still, it's not like it's going to happen ever again. They're selling Baros and buying Crouch :lol:

[KaBuTo]

rock on...