Cost Of Id Cards Soars

[Samurai]

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The estimated cost of buying a new national ID card has risen again to £93.

Home Office documents confirmed the previous best guess of £88 had not included VAT and other extras.


As the Identity Card Bill was re-published after it fell at the end of the last Parliament, the average annual cost to the nation for issuing the controversial cards alongside passports was put at £584 million.

The £93 charge would eventually be imposed on every British adult for their passport and a new "biometric" identity card, carrying details such as fingerprints.

During Prime Minister's Questions, Tony Blair told MPs that identity fraud cost Britain "billions" every year.

He said the Conservative leader Michael Howard had previously backed the introduction of ID cards and urged him to vote for the new plans.

Previously, the Tories have said they would join the Lib Dems in opposing ID cards until the Government had proved "conclusively" that they were needed.

Liberty's Shami Chakrabarti said the bill was "re-hashed" and urged MPs to reject it again because it was not a "rational" policy.

What I'm trying to understand is, why do WE have to pay for it??

Comments?

[Rick Phlegm]

Millennium Dome mark II

More useless pish that we have to pay for with the projected costs getting higher all the time. :dry:

[Samurai]

Apparently when they were first announced, they were supposed to be "no more than £25" :dry:

[DanB]

If they want us to have them then surely they provide them to us.

I mean surely otherwise its just a sneaky way to buff the coffers?

[vidcc]

Well if they were handed out "free of charge" you would be paying for them via tax, so one way or the other you would be paying.

I object to the idea of compulsory ID cards for full citizens, I do however feel that for immigration reasons those that enter a country for the purpose of naturalisation should have them at least until they become full citizens.

You should not be forced to carry ID in the country you were born in. Having the ID will not stop crime and can be forged.

The amount of money demanded in this case is unacceptable.

[Busyman]

Don't you all have driver's licenses?

Can't they work something into that existing id card?

[vidcc]

Don't you all have driver's licenses?

Can't they work something into that existing id card?

that would be cheaper and almost sensible so....no.

In the UK you don't have to have your driving licence with you if driving. The Police will just issue a "produce" ticket to produce it at a police station of your choice.... so they would need to make it compulsory to carry at all times.... but then those that don't drive would still have to cough up more money.

[DanB]

Don't you all have driver's licenses?


Only the drivers :pinch:

[Virtualbody1234]

What I'm trying to understand is, why do WE have to pay for it??

Comments?
Who else? :wacko:

[vidcc]

Don't you all have driver's licenses?


Only the drivers :pinch:

and not all of them :naughty:

[DanB]

What I'm trying to understand is, why do WE have to pay for it??

Comments?
Who else? :wacko:

The Govt seeing as its there hare brained scheme :huh:

[Virtualbody1234]

Who else? :wacko:

The Govt seeing as its there hare brained scheme :huh:
And where do they get the money? :frusty:

[vidcc]

Who else? :wacko:

The Govt seeing as its there hare brained scheme :huh:

As i said it would then be your tax money.... so you would be paying.

[DanB]

From the funds they already have :frusty:

They don't need to tax us more, as they say our economy is doing good so they have plenty available

[Samurai]

The Govt seeing as its there hare brained scheme :huh:
And where do they get the money? :frusty:

they make billions each year through customs and excise hoards.

not to mention the ridiculous amount of money they get from speed cameras which, supposedly, go to road maintenance :rolleyes:

they have the money, trust me.

perhaps if we didn't go to war everytime we get someone new into office, our war chest could cover this. but then i think they love spending thousands per tomahawk :shutup:

[Rat Faced]

You missed the part of the report that looked at how the 10,000 volunteers had worked.

It was discovered that the Biometric Data was only recognised in 80% of cases (That includes fingerprints), and that for disabled this figure dropped to 60% or thereabouts.

So its also a system that doesnt even work 20%+ of the time.

The costing also ignored the costs of the readers @ £750 a time, wherever they're needed.

It was also worked out that the processing centres they proposed (ie those costed for the £93 figure) could ony handle a maximum of 1,000,000 per year.

This means it would take 44 years just to issue everyone that has a passport now an ID card, once they are up and running.

It also doesnt take into account the annual running costs.

And a final costing cannot be given because of "Commercial" reasons, due to the fact they havent acually asked for companies to Tender for the contracts yet (to supply the euipment)..



However, to keep it balanced.. 2/3 of that cost has to be spent anyway, to introduce Biometric Passports. So the puely ID card part (that has been costed) is only circa £33.

Tories and LibDems will now vote against it.

If they couldnt push it through with the Majority they had last year... i'd be surprised if they managed now.

[Samurai]

can i just add at this point that for a pack of 20 cigarettes (a carton) it costs us £5.00+ ($9.15 USD). £4.30 or so is made up of TAX.

don't let me start getting figures of our petrol (gas)...

[vidcc]

What difference does the method of collection or the date of collection make...it's still money that has or will be collected from citizens.... tax payers

[Samurai]

it doesn't make it right though does it?

you could say the same about everything then? at the end of the day they have more than enough funds to cover this they're choosing to dump it on us because they know we'll end up paying it

[DanB]

My complaint is if they expect us to hand over £93 at the time of receiving the card, as if we were purchasing.

I couldn't give two hoots if they financed it with surplus tax from 2002/3

[vidcc]

My complaint is if they expect us to hand over £93 at the time of receiving the card, as if we were purchasing.


And I think it's a valid complaint...they shouldn't be compulsory

[Barbarossa]

It's a crock of shit, that's what it is, and no mistake.

[bigboab]

Why dont they just make Passposts compulsory? The system is already in place. Issue a simple plastic ID card with the passport. When the card is used at the necessary ID points it will display the picture of the person that is held at the passport office.

I suppose there are flaws in this too. But at least it would be cheaper to implement.:)

[GepperRankins]

or use our national insurance numbers

[bigboab]

I still have my ID Card from the Second World War period. Wonder if it will still count? :lol:

[GepperRankins]

i can remember my number. isn't that enough? :unsure:

[vidcc]

or use our national insurance numbers

We use the equivalent here for many things.... great way to suffer identity theft :dry:

Edit: Is there any indication of the penalty for not carrying the card or refusing to have one altogether?

[lynx]

or use our national insurance numbers

We use the equivalent here for many things.... great way to suffer identity theft :dry:

Edit: Is there any indication of the penalty for not carrying the card or refusing to have one altogether?That's the stupid part about it, there will be no compulsion to carry this card, or at least that's what they are saying now. How much do you want to bet that will change?

Refusing to get one will supposedly carry a fine of up to £1000, but if the costs keep rising I suppose the fine will too.

Still, if it is going to take 44 years it wouldn't make sense to start with the elderly, they will be long gone before they are compulsory, so they will probably start with the younger end. And if that's just for the people around now, add on the birth rate and it will probably take about 50 years before they get round to me. I hope I'm still around to "forget" it.

[GepperRankins]

aren't they just going to make the terrorists get them?

[lynx]

That's a good idea.

And make the fine bigger if they don't. :dry:

[JPaul]

aren't they just going to make the terrorists get them?
Now that's sensible thinking.

[Biggles]

aren't they just going to make the terrorists get them?
Now that's sensible thinking.


It would be much fairer it has to be said.

I have no problem with ID cards per se but I do resent the idea of forking out £93 for one ... plus, what does one do re: kids, they have individual passports these days. If I am forking out for three I will be extremely peeved.

[Rat Faced]

I'll do the same thing with this legislation as i did with the Poll Tax.. tell them to stuff it.

If i get biometrics taken to renew my passport, fair enough.. I decide that i wish to travel abroad. Same with Driving License, i decide i wish to drive.

I will not pay for an ID card, no matter how many times they fine me,, stuff them. I know who i am.

[bigboab]

RF
I'll do the same thing with this legislation as i did with the Poll Tax.. tell them to stuff it

I take it then,that by telling them to stuff the Poll Tax and ID Cards(thread:)) you would be adverse to a local income tax to replace the council tax.

[Rat Faced]

Boab,

If they take away a Property Tax, and replace it with a Local Income Tax I guarantee that within 10 years you will have another Property Tax at some level and will be paying both.


Besides, Property Taxes are a lot cheaper to administer.

There are a number of things that should be done to make the Council Tax fairer; including bringing in an "Ability to Pay" element and vastly increasing the number of Bands. However, as property is an asset that rises in value so considerably... if you remove it from the local Tax System then it will be expoited at a National Level later.

You of all people should remember how we came to pay both Car Tax AND duty on the fuel... :rolleyes:

[JPaul]

Now that's sensible thinking.


It would be much fairer it has to be said.

I have no problem with ID cards per se but I do resent the idea of forking out £93 for one ... plus, what does one do re: kids, they have individual passports these days. If I am forking out for three I will be extremely peeved.
I pretty much agree with that.

However it will be 6 for me. On the not unresonable assuption that Mrs JP will insist on me getting all of them, including one for the working 19 year old.

[bigboab]

You of all people should remember how we came to pay both Car Tax AND duty on the fuel... :rolleyes:

Yes, I understand.:( In 1956 they put 5 bob(25p) on a gallon of petrol because of the Suez Crisis. They never took it back off again. I have no ID (Thread:)) who was responsible.:(