Suicide Bombing Video (no gross stuff):

[cpt_azad]

WARNING: this video does not in any way show blood/dicapitation, or any other such types of things. It is a car that explodes that's it, nothing else, if I get moderated over a car exploding (yes, the msg for it is more than a car exploding, but the video...) I'll be royally pissed so if you have a strong dislike against cars exploding, this video is not for you repeat, this video is not for you. You have been warned.

As you all know, I'm against the Iraq War but theres no going back and I support the Americans somewhat now (atleast a hell of a lot more than I did back in 2003). Anyways, in no way do I support this kind of actions, I condemn them. Lets have a civilized debate (well talk, nothing really to debate about unless you support this kind of thing). I do not have a link to the official story, but it is fairly new. Here is the video:


http://inhonor.net/videos/uped/fl_video.php?f_num=162500




My 2 cents: This is absolutely wrong, shooting an AK at soldiers is one thing, but this, this is just sickening.

[Busyman]

Damn that was a huge explosion!!! :blink:

What an idiot.

Thinks he's going to heaven but is going straight to hell. :dry:

What a waste of a skin shell.

[BigBank_Hank]

The military forces there have been putting up with stuff like this for quite some time now.

Something like this is very hard to defend against. You would have to stop every single car on the road to ensure safety and that’s just not feasible. What the forces there have to do is stop the steady stream of insurgents from coming into Iraq. The majority of the troublemakers are coming from neighboring countries.

Toppling Zarqawi has to be the main focus because without his leadership the whole thing will probably crumble. The good news is that he has been injured and hopefully the wounds will be fatal. Al Qaeda has installed a temporary leaded since Zarqawi has been injured but without his leadership they’re in trouble. There is no one there that can step in and take his place with the effectiveness or leadership that he had because nearly all of his top advisors and henchmen have be captured.

[cpt_azad]

For once Hank, I agree with you. Taking out Zarqawi should be the top priority in Iraq right now (which I guess is atm).

I found the site where this originally came from, here's more, the first one involves US Marines and a Humvee, 2 men, a soldier and a humvee driver died as a result:

http://inhonor.net/videos/uped/fl_video.php?f_num=174500

[Skiz]

I love to help each one of those fuckers meet Allah. :angry:

[Yoga]

By killing us infidels they are doing the work of Allah

[cpt_azad]

I love to help each one of those fuckers meet Allah. :angry:

Join the USMC :) (I would but I'm not 18 nor am I a full American citizen. Always wanted to be a part of the USMC till 2003......but it's been rekindled :D )

[cpt_azad]

http://inhonor.net/videos/uped/fl_video.php?f_num=175500

Garbage truck packed with explosives explodes @ Baghdad Hotel killing Iraqi police and their foreign instructors. This is one huge explosion.


BAGHDAD, Iraq - Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's Al-Qaida in Iraq purportedly posted a video on a Web site Thursday showing the huge explosion that rocked a central Baghdad hotel frequented by foreign security contractors in a blast that killed four and wounded 40 others, including 30 American contractors.

Zarqawi's group had claimed responsibility for the Wednesday attack in a statement posted on another militant Web site, describing the Sadeer hotel, which has been frequently targeted, as the "hotel of the Jew." The video was posted on both sites.

The video posted Thursday is shot from a car near the scene. A man in the vehicle chanted "Allah Akbar" or "God is Great" in the background as the video camera zoomed in on the hotel just seconds before the massive bombed exploded.

Heavy gunfire can be heard in the minute-long clip as Iraqi guards try to fight off the terrorists. A large white truck, which may have been the garbage truck used in the bombing, is parked in front of the hotel.

From inside a walled compound next to the hotel, two men appear, crouch in the street and open fire. They duck back behind the wall and one of them quickly reappears, waving his left arm as if motioning someone forward. Seconds later, the huge explosion shakes the camera, sending a fireball and a thick column of smoke and debris skyward. A man in the car from where the video was shot screams "Allah Akbar," "Allah Akbar" as the car speeds away.

[Rip The Jacker]

I don't get it. Why do they have to be suicide bombers? Can't they just be... bombers?

He could have blown up that car next to a building without killing himself with it. :unsure:

[cpt_azad]

Radical Islam basically says "By killing yourself and taking as many lives with you as possible will grant you access to heaven." Martyrs my ass, and I'm muslim so I can say this with confidence (although I'll admit I'm not the least bit religious) that Islam doesn't preach this kind of things. It's the Radicals like Al-Queda that do, they've basically made their own branch of Islam.

[bigboab]

I don't get it. Why do they have to be suicide bombers? Can't they just be... bombers?

He could have blown up that car next to a building without killing himself with it. :unsure:

Two reasons that I can think of.

1. You have to be off your rocker to be persuaded to do it.

2. People, by nature, do not expect people to do this type of thing. This makes it easier for the bomber to get near to their target.:(

I know it has been said before. maybe people keep need reminding. There is no answer to this kind of warfare, other than withdrawing your troops and returning home. Take Britain as an example. They have been forced to leave: Kenya, Malaya, Cyprus, India, Egypt, to name but a few. No one can be on the alert all the time.:( I suppose someone will quote Northern Ireland as an exception to the above. Sadly I dont think it is and that violence will return there.:(

[cpt_azad]

But admit, no matter how many people say "Oh, suicide bombers are pussies, they deserve to die, they can't fight like men" (i agree on the "they deserve to die" part) it still takes a shitload of guts to go blow yourself up, no matter how brainwashed you are.

[JPaul]

Todays entry in the non-sequitur contest is ....


.... I'm muslim so I can say this with confidence (although I'll admit I'm not the least bit religious) ....

I often think the interweb has finished surprising me, then I read it again.

[Skiz]

Todays entry in the non-sequitur contest is ....


.... I'm muslim so I can say this with confidence (although I'll admit I'm not the least bit religious) ....

I often think the interweb has finished surprising me, then I read it again.

You beat me to it JPaul. ;)

[JPaul]

Todays entry in the non-sequitur contest is ....



I often think the interweb has finished surprising me, then I read it again.

You beat me to it JPaul. ;)
:P :naughty:

[GepperRankins]

"member of al-quida(sp?)"?
no-one ever refers to themselves as al-quida. the terrorist network al-quida doesn't actually exist.


if the target was coalition soldiers i have no problem with this at all. they always have the option to pull out, unlike the poor bastards that got the wrong end of "shock-and-awe"

[BigBank_Hank]

"member of al-quida(sp?)"?
no-one ever refers to themselves as al-quida. the terrorist network al-quida doesn't actually exist.

That’s the most absurd thing that I’ve read in a long time.

For something that doesn’t exists they sure take claim for a lot of things that are happening, including 9/11 or maybe that didn’t really happen either. Also what about the majority of the AQ infrastructure that’s been captured or killed?

[GepperRankins]

"member of al-quida(sp?)"?
no-one ever refers to themselves as al-quida. the terrorist network al-quida doesn't actually exist.

That’s the most absurd thing that I’ve read in a long time.

For something that doesn’t exists they sure take claim for a lot of things that are happening, including 9/11 or maybe that didn’t really happen either. Also what about the majority of the AQ infrastructure that’s been captured or killed?
they* have never actually taken responsibility for anything. bin laden first said the words "al-qeada" several weeks after being accused of september 11th, apparently he learnt it from the americans.

they*... there's no doubt terrorists do exist, but there is no one massive central network under one name. there's too many groups that hate each other as much as they hate america to work in harmony.

to call all terrorists al-qeada for hating america is like calling all football fans leeds supporters because they hate man u. when in fact they everyone hates leeds fans too

[BigBank_Hank]

You couldn’t be more wrong again. First and foremost put down you copy of Fahrenheit 9/11 and get a clue. AQ took responsibility for the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000.

Bin Laden started a training facility in the late 80’s and called it AQ. It was the main headquarters for all the terrorist to train and learn tactics that they are using now.

[GepperRankins]

i didn't get this from "fahrenheit 9/11"...

i got it from "the power of nightmares" :P


tell me has anyone actually been proven to be working for al qeada?

find me some sources that can actually give me a history of a terrorist group that calls itself al qeada.

until then i'll presume it's a generalisation not a group

[BigBank_Hank]

Did you not read my last post?

Do the bombings of the USS Cole and bombing of US Embassy’s in Africa ring a bell?

Zarqawi gets injured and who names a replacement for him? AQ.

I can’t make it more plain as day for you and if you still can see it its because you don’t want to.

[GepperRankins]

i'll read into it...


i've just read the first google result for "history of al qa'ida". it's really the history of osama bin laden. according to that it's the network many several groups use to co-operate with each other.

so now i'm unsure, is there such a thing as member of al qa'ida? is it a generalisation or a group? :lookaroun

[JPaul]

You will probably get many different opinion, depending on how people look at this. How they define an organization or a collaboration etc.

Below is one opinion on how they are structured.



Al-Qaida / Al-Qaeda (the Base)
Al Qaeda Organizational Structure

This chart is derived from STAFF STATEMENT NO. 15: Overview of the Enemy by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States.

This organizational structure should not be read as defining a hierachical chain of command for specific terrorist operations. It served as a means for coordinating functions and providing material support to operations. Once a specific operation was decided upon it would be assigned to a carefully selected clandestine cell, headed by a senior al Qaeda operative who reported personally to Bin Laden.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/images/al-qaida-structure-s.jpg


* Shura/Advisory Council - Usama bin Laden's inner circle; they direct the overall strategy of the organization.
* Sharia/Political Committee - Responsible for issuing fatwas.
* Military Committee - Resposible for conceiving and planning operations, as well as managing training camps.
* Finance Committee - Responsible for fund-raising, and the concealment of assets.
* Foreign Purchases Committee - Responsible for the acquisition of foreign arm and supplies.
* Security Committee - Physical protection, intelligence, and counter-intelligence.
* Information Committee - In charge of propaganda.

[JPaul]

Here is another


Al-Qaeda (Arabic: القاعدة - al-Qā'idah, "the foundation" or "the base") is the name given to a worldwide network and alliance of militant Islamist organizations. Originally built around the cadre of Saudi-funded Arab fighters who flocked to join the mujahideen resistance movement against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, it seeks to establish, via military and terrorist tactics, a radical form of Islamist ideology to supplant both current regimes in the Middle East and eventually Western society as a whole. The group places itself in confrontation with the United States, because the U.S. and other liberal democracies stand between Al-Qaeda and the achievement of its extremist objectives. Another reason for their conflict with the United States is their perception that certain aspects of Western culture and values are incompatible with Islam. Al-Qaeda has masterminded and inspired terrorist attacks against both civilian and military targets around the world.

Al-Qaeda gained worldwide notoriety after the September 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center in New York City and the Pentagon in Washington, D.C.. The group is led by Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, although al-Qaeda's exact size and organizational structure are unknown. According to Vincent Cannistraro, former top CIA counter-terrorist official, "Zawahiri is the guy-he's the operational commander...number one, on the right hand side of Osama." The International Institute for Strategic Studies states in a 2004 reports that more than 18,000 "potential militants" are scattered around the world operating in more than 60 countries which could be recruited by Al-Qaeda. In terms of real numbers, some question whether this murky entity has more than a handful of true members.

[Biggles]

You couldn’t be more wrong again. First and foremost put down you copy of Fahrenheit 9/11 and get a clue. AQ took responsibility for the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000.

Bin Laden started a training facility in the late 80’s and called it AQ. It was the main headquarters for all the terrorist to train and learn tactics that they are using now.

As I understand it, AQ is a bit like a franchise. Bin Laden volunteered to fight in Afghanistan to drive the Russians out. He stayed on and set up training camps to continue the fight in Chechyna and other places. He has a specific goals of creating an Islamic Republic in Saudi Arabia and surrounding countries and the removal of all foreign influence in the region. The attack on 9/11 being part of the last goal.

Other groups share these goals to a greater or lesser extent. I read somewhere that Bin Laden had reservations about Zarqawi's lot coming under the banner of AQ but has basically had to relent has Zarqawi has a fair degree of credibility in the Islamic World - although I suspect there still may be question marks over his sanity - he is a tad psychopathetic even by terrorist standards. Another example is the Spanish bombings carried out by a Moroccan Group with only vague links to Bin Laden but happy to carry the franchise.

It is this loose arrangement that makes AQ so hard to fight as most the groups have no idea who else is in it. The estimates of how many were trained in Afghanistan over the years varies wildly but it is generally accepted that most returned back to their own countries long before the invasion and rather than being controlled directly are pretty much free to set up their own organisations. The plus side of this is that attacks are spoadic and unco-ordinated and the down side is that if you crack one cell it doesn't take you anywhere.

[Money Fist]

He could have blown up that car next to a building without killing himself with it. :unsure:
LMAO
if he can wire up a bomb like that im sure he could of as well
guess he was thinking about heaven too much
hahahaaha moron

[claire2005]

its a shame that people have to blow themselfs and other people up to prove a point.
but when looking at the full pic, they are pretty angery we all are in todays world, and that is sad. its people sticking there noses into other peoples affairs that started this and its the inoccent that have to suffer, i think its wrong to use the kind of force that has been used in the last couple of years and that is from all sides, american ,british and musslim.

[GepperRankins]

i don't think muslim is a side. ;)

[claire2005]

i don't think muslim is a side. ;)

im sorry didnt really mean side, just couldnt think of the right word as there are alot of places invoved, didnt mean to offend
:)

[cpt_azad]

Todays entry in the non-sequitur contest is ....


.... I'm muslim so I can say this with confidence (although I'll admit I'm not the least bit religious) ....

I often think the interweb has finished surprising me, then I read it again.

I realize that's a pretty stupid statement by yours truly. What I meant is I know enough about my religion to know that suicide bombings are wrong, let alone killing innocents to "free your land".

[maebach]

im hindu and theres alot of muslims in india. they walk on one side of the road and everybody on the other. i went 2 years ago (delhi)