This is what im building check it out!!!!

[imasoldier]

Ok guys in my last post I was asking for what stuff to get and didn't really get any help : / but I came up with my own stuff im about to list if I am missing something PLEASE TELL ME!!! Also if you have better suggestions tell me also.

For the Case - ASPIRE X-Dreamer II ATXB4KLW-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420W Power Supply

$52.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811144026

Mother Board - ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard

$175.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131517

Graphics Card - eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI-Express x16 Video Card (Getting 2 of them)

2x $359.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130215

Memory - GeIL Value 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory

$184.43

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820144322

Hard Drive - Maxtor DiamondMax 10 6B300S0 300GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM

$190.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144359

CD Rom - SAMSUNG TS-H352A/BEBP Black IDE CD-ROM Drive - OEM

$24.50

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827151212

Power Supply - THERMALTAKE Silent PurePower TT-420AD(DUAL FAN) ATX 420W Power Supply 115/230 V

$36.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153006

Cooling - Maybe Water Cooling or Fans Haven't decided yet


Total so far $1379

[S!X]

You know having dual videocards is absolutely pointless? If you want to spend another 359$ for bragging rights go ahead, but its not recommended. Also, you do realize that optical drive you've chosen is just an ROM drive no burner? If you are stuck on having dual videocards for any reason, Make sure you have a bigger power supply then what you've picked, Id say to be safe something over 500 watt. If you download alot of porn, A 300 GB harddrive would be perfect for you but im not too sure what your plans are to do with 300 gigs. Im getting that same case, It should be pretty nice. BTW: Wheres the processor?

[Darth Sushi]

Your power supply looks borderline considering you're showing 2 video cards. Also, a few years, ago GeIL was cited for using overclocked chips on their memory (that's why they love the heat spreader since it covers what they're using), however, they might be more honest today after many reviewers blasted them. Water cooling only makes since if you're overclocking but using value RAM can give grey hairs... if you're overclocking.

[lynx]

The PSU is probably unsuitable for that mobo. I suspect it only has a 20 pin power connector, and although you can get adapters (well spotted, Linkin Park) it probably does not meet the dual 12V rail specification.

In any case, if you are going for 2 graphics cards you will want a PSU with 2 pci express power adapters, at best that PSU only has 1.

You might find this seagate drive is faster and quieter, cheaper too.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148064

[clocker]

You might find this interesting. (http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-15154-1490-x-x-x)

Why go big on the graphics cards and cheap on the RAM?
Cut back (poor baby) to one gig and get something better.

As noted, the PSU bites.

[Virtualbody1234]

... if I am missing something PLEASE TELL ME!!! ...
You're going to need a CPU.

[Peerzy]

Also you have choosen a CD-Rom, not even a Cd-Burner. To be honest get the new Nec Dvd-Burner, was only like £30 for me ($50 or so) and well worth it.

[fkdup74]

one 6800GT should be more than enough gfx
drop that SLI shit and and put a few more bucks into something else
just MHO :P

and as was mentioned, you dont have a CPU listed......
the 359 $$$ you save can be used to improve the CPU, RAM, and PSU
while I like thermaltake for cases, fans....
I would get away from the TT PSU and go with an antec
a truepower 550 runs about 115 USD I think, but well worth it IMO

and yeah, fk off the maxtor in favor of a seagate or western digital :)

and what's with the aspire case fanism?
they look so damned generic :sick:

that aspire case has a PSU, you wont need one as you're buying one....
get a case w/o a PSU.......doh!

and you'll save a few bucks on the mobo if you drop the SLI idea,
freeing up more money to go better on a case :P

[imasoldier]

So having 2 grapics cards is not a good idea? Why is that? Also for the CdRom/Dvd Burner I wasn't paying attention to that and will change to one. So what would be the good Mobo to go with? Also what gfx card? For the power supply the case says 420w and one of you sayed I need a 500w supply will it fit into my case? Im going to stay with one video card.

Edit: I need a little help on the CPU also

Edit again: Also I want this to be compatible with the new 64 bit Windows.

[S!X]

Two vdieo cards are pointless. They dont increase fps much if any. I bigger psu will fit in that case just as its an ATX psu. Video cards are really up to you, A 6800GT like you've picked or an ATI like what im goin for (X800PRO), It all depends on what you want it for, most likely gaming obviously but theres cheap then theres expensive cards. If you plan on getting that same case as I am, go with this psu. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817151023

[lynx]

I don't think that's true about the graphics cards.

2 x 6600GTs have been shown to perform about the same as a single 6800GT (see clocker's link) depending on the game, if what you were saying was true that couldn't happen.

Maybe current games won't be able to fully utilise 2 x 6800GTs just yet though, but you can bet that future ones certainly will.

[Vamp]

I'm hijacking your thread a little here :P But is an Asus K8NE Dulux MoBo SLI featured?

Also, is there anyway of finding out what make of RAM I have without opening my case?

[S!X]

Also, is there anyway of finding out what make of RAM I have without opening my case?

Yea, download sisoft sandra. ( search it up in google) With it you can find out everything about your computer.

[Vamp]

I got Sanda Lite, I goto Windows Memory Info Module, but the manufactuerer isn't shown :/

[lynx]

Download everest.

Select Motherboard/SPD.
The righthand box will show the memory info.

Edit: The K8NE is an Nforce3 mobo, so it isn't even Pci-express.

[imasoldier]

Can anyone else help plz

[browser]

Well you've been getting quite a bit of help...what else do you need?

In terms of CPU, if money is no object and you want 64 bit capability then the Athlon FX55 (or higher) is the best, although I've been told by various members of the board that the amount of extra money required doesn't represent such an increase in performance.

Other options are the Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego or the 3800+ Venice (my knowledge isn't extensive enough to know if there is a 4000+ Venice (other posters in this thread will correct me very soon, I'm sure).

Alternatively, news of the dual core Athlon is making a choice very difficult....to wait, or to buy now? I'm sure this will start another debate

[Vamp]

Lynx,

What's weird in Everest is that under Overclock, it shows my Graphics card at 399/552

This is quite odd because my GF6800GT is running at 400/1100

?

By the way, could I use Everest to overclock my CPU easily?

[S!X]

If you dont overclock in the BIOS, Its called soft overclocking which isnt permanent as far as I know. If you want to overclock the real way you gotta do it in the bios.

[Vamp]

Ah...Cool...

As soon as things start getting into Bios I don't like fucking with them :P

What about the issue of Everest misstating my clock and memory speed on my fx carD?

[clocker]

Lynx,

What's weird in Everest is that under Overclock, it shows my Graphics card at 399/552

This is quite odd because my GF6800GT is running at 400/1100


Everest is reporting correctly.
Your core clock is right on the button @399 (theoretically running 400) and you double the RAM speed (552) to get 1104.
So, the spec is 400/1100 and you are really running 399/1104, which is pretty damn close.

[Vamp]

Hmmm... In Rivatuner when I goto Target Adapter settings it gives me 399/1104 but but when I goto driver settings it gives me 400/1100 (and that is settable option) How do I get that clock speed up to 400 just for peace of mind? :P

[Virtualbody1234]

Hmmm... In Rivatuner when I goto Target Adapter settings it gives me 399/1104 but but when I goto driver settings it gives me 400/1100 (and that is settable option) How do I get that clock speed up to 400 just for peace of mind? :P
Don't worry about it. 399 is 400. Just the software reads it a bit wrong.

[clocker]

Your circuits are doing the best they can, there isn't anything you can do.

This is not a problem...it is very common (ubiquitous, if you will) and nothing to worry about.

[imasoldier]

What hardware is to get the computer speed my comp now is 2.6 ghz is it the mobo? I just want it to be 2.6 or higher and money is a prob I dont want to be spending over 1500$ just want whats best out of the computer im building.

[S!X]

What hardware is to get the computer speed my comp now is 2.6 ghz is it the mobo? I just want it to be 2.6 or higher and money is a prob I dont want to be spending over 1500$ just want whats best out of the computer im building.

Its the processor. You have an intel. If you want something over 2.6 then you eaither get a higher end intel.

[muchspl3]

Two vdieo cards are pointless. They dont increase fps much if any.
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Most of the popular games will take advantage of SLI.

[S!X]

[QUOTE=Linkin Park]Two vdieo cards are pointless. They dont increase fps much if any.QUOTE]
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Most of the popular games will take advantage of SLI.

Probbly, But like most of us we dont have 2 grand to spend of 2 video cards. :rolleyes: :pinch:

[muchspl3]

[QUOTE=muchspl3]

Probbly, But like most of us we done have 2 grand to spend of 2 video cards. :rolleyes: :pinch:
apparently he does...

[lynx]

What hardware is to get the computer speed my comp now is 2.6 ghz is it the mobo? I just want it to be 2.6 or higher and money is a prob I dont want to be spending over 1500$ just want whats best out of the computer im building.Intel's basic chip design has been quite poor over the years, the only way they could stay ahead of the competition was to throw money at improving the wafer process, which in turn allowed them to increase clock speeds.

By designing better circuits AMD (and others) managed to make chips which were just as good (and often better) but at lower clock speeds and could consequently use older, cheaper wafer technology, resulting in cheaper chips.

Unfortunately the public seemed to be convinced that more speed was better, and of course for identical designs that would be true. Intel's marketing strategy played upon this fact. But if you look at the way Intel is heading now, they too are going away from the MHz is better strategy.

Their new mobile chips run much slower for the same performance as their predecessors, so they are now going for a model number. Unfortunately that confuses things even more because it is hard to see the correlation between the model number and it's performance.

As has been said, you can either stick with Intel in which case you will need a higher speed LGA775 format chip, and a mobo to match. There's no point in going for another socket 478.

Or you can go for AMD and get a chip with a performance rating as the model number (eg 3500+), again with matching mobo (this time Socket 939).

I've rather lost track of whether there's much difference in price these days, but AMD's roadmap seems to be going forward exactly as planned while Intel's seems to be faltering a little. That's probably largely due to the fact that Intel are working very close to the cutting edge for their top performance products while AMD have still got plenty of headroom.

The choice is your's, but I think most people here would recommend AMD every time for desktop processors.

[imasoldier]

Is this a good Mobo I am not sure, but I am going to go with the AMD though I am only going to use 1 gx card so I prob don't need a Sli Mobo.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131517

[clocker]

Read and learn, Grasshopper. (http://www.ocforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5)

[imasoldier]

There is so much reading with so little time and so many Mobos, can't decide!

[clocker]

What is the time constraint?

[imasoldier]

Less then 1 week

[S!X]

Less then 1 week

It doesnt take a week to read that unless you dont know how to read. :rolleyes:

[imasoldier]

Yes I am Handicap in the Eye and Brain I need some help

[S!X]

Yes I am Handicap in the Eye and Brain I need some help

I can help you if you want. What do you need help picking out? Mobos? :blink: :ermm:

[imasoldier]

Well I need help on what ive been asking for since I first posted on this thread lol first off I need a good mobo not expensive but not to cheap either then after that I need to know what ram I don't really think I need over a gig last but not least processor that I am really having trouble on. If you can help me on those 3 it would make my Handi Capped life alot easier. This will be my first computer to build.

[S!X]

Well I need help on what ive been asking for since I first posted on this thread lol first off I need a good mobo not expensive but not to cheap either then after that I need to know what ram I don't really think I need over a gig last but not least processor that I am really having trouble on. If you can help me on those 3 it would make my Handi Capped life alot easier. This will be my first computer to build.

Alright for the mobo, The one clocker got is pretty nice I think it would be my second choice against the ABIT FATAL1TY mobo that im getting. Its probbly better the it actually but I really like the FATAL1TY board dunno why. Heres the link to it -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128283

If I was getting just 1 gig of ram id go with this. -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145523

For a processor id go with an AMD64, take your pick! If im correct, amd's run faster at lower clock speeds, unlike intels. Im going with a 3500+.

[lynx]

Assuming you are going for one of the Asus boards, you have 4 options:
A8N-SLI Deluxe $175
A8N-SLI $160
A8V-E Deluxe $145
A8N-E $125

I can see no advantages of the A8V-E Deluxe over the A8N-E, so I would drop that from the list straight away.

Do you need SLI?

Translate that question into "Will you ever but 2 identical SLI enabled graphics cards for the same system?". Remember that it is unlikely that buying a second card a few months later will be sufficiently similar to allow the 2 cards to successfully co-exist. So if you buy 1 now you will have to buy 2 more later and get rid of the one you have.

Only you can answer that question. If the answer is no then stop looking at the SLI boards.

Other questions are:
how many SATA drives are you likely to buy; I suspect the answer will be 1 or at most 2.
how many gigabit ethernet ports are you likely to need; I suspect the answer will be 1.
If so, even if you go for the SLI board you don't need the Deluxe.

The same rules apply with boards from other manufacturers - perform the same analysis. Don't buy what you will never use unless it is part of a package with something that you feel is a "must have". Otherwise you are simply wasting money.

[clocker]

Translate that question into "Will you ever but 2 identical SLI enabled graphics cards for the same system?". Remember that it is unlikely that buying a second card a few months later will be sufficiently similar to allow the 2 cards to successfully co-exist. So if you buy 1 now you will have to buy 2 more later and get rid of the one you have.
This is simply not true.
In fact, I have read that you can use two cards from different manufacturers in SLI mode (dunno anyone who has tried this though).
More info here... (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2005/05/21/nvidia_sli_pt5/2.html)

[S!X]

Translate that question into "Will you ever but 2 identical SLI enabled graphics cards for the same system?". Remember that it is unlikely that buying a second card a few months later will be sufficiently similar to allow the 2 cards to successfully co-exist. So if you buy 1 now you will have to buy 2 more later and get rid of the one you have.
This is simply not true.
In fact, I have read that you can use two cards from different manufacturers in SLI mode (dunno anyone who has tried this though).
More info here... (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2005/05/21/nvidia_sli_pt5/2.html)

I saw pics of 2 different brand cards being used in an SLI setup somewhere cant remember where :unsure:

[clocker]

I do agree with Lynx that "SLI or no?" is a fundamental question you should answer.
The second question would be "Am I going to OC this thing or not?".

If the response is yes, then the only board you should consider is the DFI LanParty series...they have the most extensive list of BIOS options and a constant flow of new BIOSs...it is the premier tweakers platform.

If the BIOS is uncharted waters for you (or if you don't know what BIOS IS...), then the Gigabyte is a very stable and feature rich way to go.
It is a middling overclocking board, so you can play around a bit, but not like the DFI.

Soon, another question will be relevant..."IDE or not", because the upcoming generation of boards will come fully SATA capable and the legacy IDE ports will disappear.
This should really change the way the boards are laid out as IDE eats up a lot of real estate on the PCB.
That's what I'm waiting for...

[Virtualbody1234]

... Soon, another question will be relevant..."IDE or not", because the upcoming generation of boards will come fully SATA capable and the legacy IDE ports will disappear.
This should really change the way the boards are laid out as IDE eats up a lot of real estate on the PCB.
That's what I'm waiting for...
Where did you hear that, clocker?

I don't see IDE disappearing anytime soon. There are still IDE products being sold.

[clocker]

Where did you hear that, clocker?

I don't see IDE disappearing anytime soon. There are still IDE products being sold.
That was brought up at a recent MS System Builder teleconference where Bill Gates intoduced the release of 64bit XP.
Longhorn will include a full compliment of SATA drivers and the floppy will be unnecessary.

Interviews with Oskar Wu (superstar board designer, currently with DFI) have revealed that he ( and presumably all the other designers) can't wait to ditch the space-gobbling IDE ports.
Supposedly there are already preliminary nVidia reference designs that do not include any IDE at all and the board layout/functionality is greatly enhanced.

Naturally, boards as we now know them will be available for some time to come.
The SATA only design will almost certainly appear in high end products first, but the trickle down effect will bring it to the masses as inevitably as PCI-e will replace AGP.

Join the Dark Side VB.

[fkdup74]

For the power supply the case says 420w and one of you sayed I need a 500w supply will it fit into my case?

nah, you misread :P
I recommended the Antec Truepower 550, in favor of the TT you were looking at
you may not need 550 watts, you may well do fine with 420-480 watts
(of which there are Truepower models as well :D )

and more wattage doesn't mean a bigger PSU

as for the CPU, well.....
read a bit through this forum
a few ppl have harped on the 3000+ Winchester, and it's only 1.8 GHz
now you have the option of the Venice or San Diego cores in the 90 nm setup,
(Venice being sort of comparable to Winchester,
with the 512 MB L2 and 90 nm, but with SSE3 instructions)
and the 'Diegos with 1 MB L2s and SSE3 on the 90 nm setup
where as before there was only a 130nm option if you just had to have a bigger L2 cache

so you see...options are there....you dont have to limit yourself to more GHz,
just because it's a bigger number....
contact Intel and ask them about that mistake :P

[clocker]

contact Intel and ask them about that mistake :P
Sure.
It's 7:30AM on a Sunday morning there.
I'm sure they're open for inquiry.

"Lines are open and operators are standing by!"

[Virtualbody1234]

... (Venice being sort of comparable to Winchester,
with the 512 MB L2 and 90 nm, but with SSE3 instructions) ...
Oooh!!! Where can I get one of those? 512 MB of L2 cache!!! That's a lot. :rolleyes:

[imasoldier]

SInce im getting a 1 gig of ram how much better would it be to have an extra gig? And also will it cost the same price or is therea different brand with 2 gigs that I can get just for a little bit more?

[S!X]

SInce im getting a 1 gig of ram how much better would it be to have an extra gig? And also will it cost the same price or is therea different brand with 2 gigs that I can get just for a little bit more?

Im getting 2 gigs for my rig but I dunno how much better its gonna be from 1 gig. You can never have too much of a good thing :P , You can buy 2 gigs pairs (1GIGx2). As far as price goes it depends on the brand I guess. :blink:

[Nobody1234]

It depends on what you want to do with your PC.

1 gig is more than enough for what most people will use now but who knows what the future holds. What will happen in the next few years with software? I'm not sure. Perhaps it would be best to buy what you need and then buy more if more is needed in the future.

[clocker]

SInce im getting a 1 gig of ram how much better would it be to have an extra gig? And also will it cost the same price or is therea different brand with 2 gigs that I can get just for a little bit more?

Im getting 2 gigs for my rig but I dunno how much better its gonna be from 1 gig. You can never have too much of a good thing :P , You can buy 2 gigs pairs (1GIGx2). As far as price goes it depends on the brand I guess. :blink:
I'm not sure two GB is a good idea.
I thought the same as you guys when I last upgraded and bought 4x512MB.

Unfortunately, my Gigabyte board ( and possibly all nForce4 chipsets) will not run these at 1T timings.
I want to try 2x1GB and see if that works, but 1GB RAM is not commonly available with the tight timings I would prefer, so there may be a big performance hit by doing so.
I have some mid-grade Geil that I can try...one of these days I'll get around to it.

Prolly 1GB will do you just fine...as already noted, you can always add more if necessary.