'Sir' Bob

[bigboab]

Should Bob Geldof be charged with inciting people to break the law? Among his many other 'rants' he has asked children to take time of school to join a protest at the G8 summit in Scotland. He also told them to get there by 'whatever' means they can. What exactly does he mean by that statement?

Why dont they just call all the protests off and send the money that would have been spent on protesting and keeping order to the poor countries?

Would it not be a good idea to introduce some form of birth control into these countries. Had they done that after the first 'Live Aid' event the present day catastrophe would not be as pronounced. China took that option and look where it got them. Albeit with a few distasteful results.

[JPaul]

As I understand it the live8 thing is more about raising awareness and putting pressure on the G8, rather than raising funds.

They want to cancel billions of debt, rather than raising millions in charity.

Glad you put the "Sir"in inverteds btw. He is a foreign Jonny apres tout.

[DanB]

Would it not be a good idea to introduce some form of birth control into these countries.

You need to speak to the Pope on that one BB.

Does anyone find it sort of hypocritical tha Bono is one of the front men of the live8 thing to wipe out disease, famine, Aids and debt in Africa when he is very cosy with the Pope who, as we know, thinks condoms are the devils work and as such the Catholic church has outlawed them? :unsure:

I personally can't think of a better place to start when it comes to tackling Aids & HIV.

[JPaul]

Would it not be a good idea to introduce some form of birth control into these countries.

You need to speak to the Pope on that one BB.


I was not aware that everyone in nations suffering from povery, hiv etc was a Catholic.

Are you sure about this Dan.

[DanB]

You need to speak to the Pope on that one BB.


I was not aware that everyone in nations suffering from povery, hiv etc was a Catholic.

Are you sure about this Dan.


Not everyone is no, but Catholicism is the predominant religion in Africa.

I am not having a pop at Catholics, just raising a point which I read in the newspaper yesterday and quite interested me

[JPaul]

I was not aware that everyone in nations suffering from povery, hiv etc was a Catholic.

Are you sure about this Dan.


Not everyone is no, but Catholicism is the predominant religion in Africa.

I am not having a pop at Catholics, just raising a point which I read in the newspaper yesterday and quite interested me
I wasn't aware of that.

Does this include the areas where the people suffer the worst of the poverty, disease etc.

[JPaul]

It appears Africa has a polulation of 900 million. 136 million of which are Catholic.

That would be around 15%.

The Pontiff can be thrown the blame for that figure methinks.

Source

[JPaul]

The major religion appears to be Islam with 400 million or around 44%

I have no idea on it's view re contraception.

[DanB]

One story I found

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/PA_NEWA12925311118041792A0?source=PA%20Feed

and another which offers the idea I was putting across


In a growing Catholic population like Africa, the need for the church to relax its stance on birth control-particularly condoms, in the fight against AIDS-has been a point of contention from outside the church and among Catholics themselves. In Idaho, the need isn't perhaps so obvious, but it remains an issue as people think about their faith and the direction of their church, perhaps a symptom of the divide between doctrine and social realities.

Source (http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A2614)

I do not know about the demographic spread but I do know that in the last 35 years the greatest increase in Catholic population in that time has been in Africa, which, while making up only 13 percent of the world's Catholics, has more than doubled its percentage in the past three decades.


You can chuck all the money you want at something but if infected people are going to have sex without protection the disease will never be eradicated

[DanB]

The major religion appears to be Islam with 400 million or around 44%

I have no idea on it's view re contraception.

oops, sorry about that :blushing:

Islam does explicitly allow birth control though.

Source (http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/books/demogislam/part4.html)



Although I am sure this has all been discussed many times before in here

[bigboab]

Would it not be a good idea to introduce some form of birth control into these countries.

You need to speak to the Pope on that one BB.

Does anyone find it sort of hypocritical tha Bono is one of the front men of the live8 thing to wipe out disease, famine, Aids and debt in Africa when he is very cosy with the Pope who, as we know, thinks condoms are the devils work and as such the Catholic church has outlawed them? :unsure:

I personally can't think of a better place to start when it comes to tackling Aids & HIV.

I was on the line to him but he hung up when he heard that I knew JP. His secretary said that he was paranoid that JP was after his job.:lol:

Seriously though I dont think it can be put down to one religion. China was not exactly overrun with Catholics and look at how its population went out of control. There are a lot of places in Africa where you are allowed countless wives. Things like that need to be controlled too.:(

How about sending over Michael Caine? :lol:

[DanB]

I'm not talking about over population though, I am talking about the spread of Aids. The only birth control device apart from abstinence that can prevent the spread of Aids is condoms.

The US Govt. and assocaited companies are pushing their aid programmes/missionairies (whatever you call them) out there so much to spread abstinence instead that they are not even allowed to give out condoms.

see here (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7371950?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7&rnd=1118334537765&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1059)

[bigboab]

I'm not talking about over population though, I am talking about the spread of Aids. The only birth control device apart from abstinence that can prevent the spread of Aids is condoms.

The US Govt. and assocaited companies are pushing their aid programmes/missionairies (whatever you call them) out there so much to spread abstinence instead that they are not even allowed to give out condoms.

see here (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7371950?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7&rnd=1118334537765&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1059)

Short of cutting one off and stitching the other up they could put something in the water.:)

[DanB]

I'm not talking about over population though, I am talking about the spread of Aids. The only birth control device apart from abstinence that can prevent the spread of Aids is condoms.

The US Govt. and assocaited companies are pushing their aid programmes/missionairies (whatever you call them) out there so much to spread abstinence instead that they are not even allowed to give out condoms.

see here (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7371950?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7&rnd=1118334537765&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1059)

Short of cutting one off and stitching the other up they could put something in the water.:)

Thats one hell of a lot of bromide in one hell of a lot of water.

which some of the places have a shortage of :frusty:


http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/2/6/8/1/7371862.jpg

[bigboab]

Short of cutting one off and stitching the other up they could put something in the water.:)

Thats one hell of a lot of bromide in one hell of a lot of water.

which some of the places have a shortage of :frusty:


http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/2/6/8/1/7371862.jpg

I thought it was just the army that used Bromide. By the way, it has started to work now.:lol:

[DanB]

Thats one hell of a lot of bromide in one hell of a lot of water.

which some of the places have a shortage of :frusty:


http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/2/6/8/1/7371862.jpg

I thought it was just the army that used Bromide. By the way, it has started to work now.:lol:

I think you'll find the Prison Service do too :shifty:


Somewhat delayed effects ay BB? Means I have a sometime till mine kicks in :lol:

[JPaul]

One story I found

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/PA_NEWA12925311118041792A0?source=PA%20Feed

and another which offers the idea I was putting across


In a growing Catholic population like Africa, the need for the church to relax its stance on birth control-particularly condoms, in the fight against AIDS-has been a point of contention from outside the church and among Catholics themselves. In Idaho, the need isn't perhaps so obvious, but it remains an issue as people think about their faith and the direction of their church, perhaps a symptom of the divide between doctrine and social realities.

Source (http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A2614)

I do not know about the demographic spread but I do know that in the last 35 years the greatest increase in Catholic population in that time has been in Africa, which, while making up only 13 percent of the world's Catholics, has more than doubled its percentage in the past three decades.


You can chuck all the money you want at something but if infected people are going to have sex without protection the disease will never be eradicated


Dan

I take your point and think that condoms should be freely available to everyone in Africa, including the Catholic population.

I just sometimes get confused when every time population / hiv is discussed the Pope seems to be singled out for special mention. Even when he has influence over a relatively small percentage of the population. I suspect that some of the 15% make their own decisions re these matters anyway.