I agree

[MCHeshPants420]

Things like this really just annoy people.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/t97253.html

That is all I wish to say on the matter. It is clear, concise and comprehensive. As any good report should be.

At the very least if you're going to delete someone's post then you should PM them to let them know what you're doing.

This then immediatley means you are engaging that person via the PM system if they have any complaints so you won't have to hide behind some rule for your ruling. You will actually have to explain yourself. Also they (the "off-topic" poster) will be less inclined to start a thread about it. Just makes sense to me, if you don't want people "questioning admin/mod actions in public" then fecking engage them in debate before they do.

Also, if their off-topic conduct becomes a problem then you will have given them ample chance by warning them via this system.

And stop deleting Withcheese's posts on the sly, I hear he's getting fed up of it.

[Snee]

See. That's all I want, well that and some fecking CONSISTENCY.

[{I}{K}{E}]

There is NO need to PM someone who has been a member here for a long time when his or her post is removed from the 'Everything related to this board' section. You know off-topic posting isnt allowed.


http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/t82911.html

[Snee]

Yes well done on pasting in that link , but mine wasn't the only post that bordered on off-topic in that thread at the time whoever went on a deletion-spree managed to piss me off.

And don't tell me that other posts were deleted, 'cos yesterday (for me) mine was the only post to go missing, before I complained.

I still don't even know who did it, though Im guessing it was you.

[MCHeshPants420]

There is NO need to PM someone who has been a member here for a long time when his or her post is removed from the 'Everything related to this board' section.


Yes, there is. Because if we have a complaint about it, if we feel our post is on-topic and that you are being unfair we need to know who to engage to make a complaint.

How hard is it to PM someone btw? You could even have a copy & paste thing for it ("Dear Forum Member, I have deleted your post because I think it's off-topic. If you have any questions please PM me").

[{I}{K}{E}]

And don't tell me that other posts were deleted, 'cos yesterday (for me) mine was the only post to go missing, before I complained.

.

thats not true.

Do I need to post a screenshot to show your wrong? :dry:

[{I}{K}{E}]

Yes, there is. Because if we have a complaint about it, if we feel our post is on-topic and that you are being unfair we need to know who to engage to make a complaint.

Rule. 13

[Snee]

Sparsely's post was still there after you'd deleted mine, and imartin's post was a comment about ot-posts so it stands to reason that one would be removed.

But to correct myself then, since I guess I don'y know what you did the rest of the day in retrospect, mine was the only post that had gone missing, when I looked, that was a reply to someone else in the thread yesterday, that I noticed, and you hadn't touched sparsely's post if you hadn't been trying to cover your ass.

[MCHeshPants420]

And don't tell me that other posts were deleted, 'cos yesterday (for me) mine was the only post to go missing, before I complained.

.

thats not true.

Do I need to post a screenshot to show your wrong? :dry:

I don't think that is neccessary. Just PM people in future.

In fact I have a better idea, just post it in the thread:

"Sorry guys I've deleted a few posts that were off-topic, please try to stay on-topic. If you have an issue with this then please PM me."

You can copy and paste that if you want. :D

It covers you for that rule you keep posting as well.

[{I}{K}{E}]

Sparsely's post was still there after you'd deleted mine, and imartin's post was a comment about ot-posts so it stands to reason that one would be removed.

But to correct myself then, since I guess I don'y know what you did the rest of the day in retrospect, mine was the only post that had gone missing, when I looked, that was a reply to someone else in the thread yesterday, that I noticed, and you hadn't touched sparsely's post if you hadn't been trying to cover your ass.

Your post was removed first yes, then right after that I removed 4 more.

[JPaul]

I recently started a thread which was quite obviously proper to "Everything related to this board."

There was nothing in my post which broke any forum rule, in my opinion. It related to how the board operated.

It appears to have been deleted. I am at a loss to understand why. Having said that, I have had my whole history on this forum deleted, so this is small potatoes.

[MCHeshPants420]

Yes, there is. Because if we have a complaint about it, if we feel our post is on-topic and that you are being unfair we need to know who to engage to make a complaint.

Rule. 13

So really, you should agree with my idea that I posted in my previous post. You should at least let people know in the thread that you have deleted stuff so they know which mod to contact if they disagree. Straight away the onus is on them to contact the moderator via PM to question the decision.

If you just delete and say nothing you're really just asking for unpleasant public posts.

[Snee]

Sparsely's post was still there after you'd deleted mine, and imartin's post was a comment about ot-posts so it stands to reason that one would be removed.

But to correct myself then, since I guess I don'y know what you did the rest of the day in retrospect, mine was the only post that had gone missing, when I looked, that was a reply to someone else in the thread yesterday, that I noticed, and you hadn't touched sparsely's post if you hadn't been trying to cover your ass.

Your post was removed first yes, then right after that I removed 4 more.
Two more of them mine, complaining about what you did, yeah.

And like I said, that was after I started complaining.



Just tell people you did it, when you do it, this isn't the first time you've deleted posts of mine without telling anyone, I had two other mods looking for my posts another time, after you'd gone and been helpful.

And if you are going to delete ot stuff, then you'd better start deleting every silly little thing in order to be fair.

As it is you haven't deleted everything, and nor should you.

[{I}{K}{E}]

So really, you should agree with my idea that I posted in my previous post. You should at least let people know in the thread that you have deleted stuff so they know which mod to contact if they disagree. Straight away the onus is on them to contact the moderator via PM to question the decision.

If you just delete and say nothing you're really asking for unpleasant public posts.


I did post that kind of replies and I did send PM like that in the past but it didnt seem to stop the off-topic posting. The last couple of weeks i've been removing 100's off-topic posts al over the forum.
I sometimes still send such PM to people who's post have never been removed. But to keep sending everyone everytime a PM that would take to much time. if people just follow the rules it would be easier for everyone


I will use your "Sorry guys I've deleted a few posts that were off-topic, please try to stay on-topic. If you have an issue with this then please PM me." line next time ;)

I will ask Ross if it's possible to create or add a script that auto sends a PM when someones post is removed.

[manker]

People who've been around on the forum for a while surely deserve as much respect as new recruits to the forum. Politeness doesn't cost anything and a PM (even a copy/pasted PM) is surely required, at the very least, if someone takes it upon themselves to censor someone else.

All the rubbish about not having time to PM is just that. If you've time to delete a post, you've time to PM the person too. Otherwise it's lazy and plain rude.

[manker]

I will ask Ross if it's possible to create or add a script that auto sends a PM when someones post is removed.:dry:

Kinda like the unsmiling McDonalds worker saying 'have a nice day' when really he couldn't give a shit. How hard is it to send a PM. It may make mods - who contrary to popular belief are not infallible - think about the validity of the deletion.

[GepperRankins]

there should be just one rule: question a mod = bannage.


no more one-offs because you didn't know or pushing the rules. in fact make it a rule to ban one person every week, even if the worst they did was type "sry" instead of "sorry" when you moderate them for having an 8 letter name.

the fear of god never did anyone any harm.

[tesco]

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=69212&page=1&highlight=pm+deletion
Who thinks that would be a good idea?

[manker]

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=69212&page=1&highlight=pm+deletion
Who thinks that would be a good idea?I still think it's lazy modding.

However, it's better than nowt. Thanks :)

[manker]

Actually, it doesn't tell you the mod who deleted your post. So it's pretty pointless.

[Virtualbody1234]

I can see both sides of this issue.

The members want to have moderators held accoutable for their actions.

The moderators are fed up with members posting off topic.


I still think it's lazy modding.

However, it's better than nowt. Thanks :)
Speaking of lazy modding... The moderators do a lot for this board and should be given appreciation for what they do. Not be told "they're lazy".

Remember... Moderators are doing this as a voluntary service. It's more work than it looks.

[Skiz]

Remember... Moderators are doing this as a voluntary service. It's more work than it looks.

I hear you in some respect VB, but it seems it's the "service" that some people don't like.

I've had my posts deleted by mods (no need for names) in pointless lounge threads due to being "off topic". How absurd is that? In the lounge. The original post was off-topic ffs. There is one mod on this forum that goes delete crazy from time to time. I think that's what a lot of member are a little bent out of shape about.

If you wanna know how many posts you've had deleted, follow the following formula. I bet you'll be surprised, I've had 47 deleted.

Search for your name first.

Total Posts + Lounge posts = X

Click 'Find all posts by ______'. That number = Y

Y - X = Total deleted posts.

[{I}{K}{E}]

Search for your name first.

Total Posts + Lounge posts = X

Click 'Find all posts by ______'. That number = Y

Y - X = Total deleted posts.

thats not how it works...

the once that doesnt show up were deleted / got corrupted when we switched from IPB to vB and were not removed by mods/admins.




I've had my posts deleted by mods (no need for names) in pointless lounge threads due to being "off topic". How absurd is that? In the lounge.

We dont remove posts from threads in the lounge unless they are not within the boardrules or someone reported the post. :huh:

[Skiz]

thats not how it works...

the once that doesnt show up were deleted / got corrupted when we switched from IPB to vB and were not removed by mods/admins.

The name skizo was created after the switch. ;)

[Peerzy]

I can also see both sides of the story, members want to be able to speak there minds in this section about what they want done to their forum (Without the members this forum is nothing) but Moderators want to keep things in line, which is okay as well.

I think its just when members/moderators go to one extreame then thats when something should be done.

Members posting:

LOLZZZ

HAZ HAZA HA HA

or just a smilie is stupid spam that no one cares about.

Yet a thoughtfully written post detailing a members thoughts on an issue should be kept in my opinion as long as it doesn't break any other rule (Posting porn or flameing)

[manker]

I still think it's lazy modding.

However, it's better than nowt. Thanks :)
Speaking of lazy modding... The moderators do a lot for this board and should be given appreciation for what they do. Not be told "they're lazy".

Remember... Moderators are doing this as a voluntary service. It's more work than it looks.I take it that your little rhetoric soliloquy (:happy:) isn't aimed at me in particular since I often give praise when a mod does something well, the flip side is that sometimes I'll also say what I think when something is done poorly. Which isn't something to get chastised about.

I presume that's fine with everyone.

The point here is that members will be less upset when their posts gets deleted if a mod displays some courtesy, not to do so is lazy modding and detrimental to the board, plain and simple.

Mods can just as easily un-volunteer if the task is too arduous. I'm working here with the supposition that a mod who has the time and capabilities to do the job properly is better than a mod who can't be arsed and upsets people all of the time. Can't see anything to disagree with there, either.

The voluntary (non) issue is something that comes up way too often, if a mod isn't up to the job, then he or she should simply stop doing it ... eh, VB.

[JPaul]

I like the "This post deleted by ...." option. It provides members with a name to then contact if they have an issue with the decision.

If you are willing to delete a chaps post, then surely you should be willing to do it in public, n'est ce pas.

In any civilized society a chap is entitled to face his accuser.

[Snee]

The moderators are fed up with members posting off topic.
Sometimes we don't agree on what's off-topic and what isn't, though.


Like peerzy said, sure, delete the "OMG ROFL..."-posts, but if a post isn't doing any harm where it is, and if it's posted as a reply on the same theme as the post before it, then why delete it.

And when a whole bunch of mods have read a topic, then why start deleting posts in it days after that?


Delete away if the posts are crap, but don't go deleting just 'cos you think that a post might not have anything to do with the discussion the way you read it.

Having said that, I doubt we'd be having this discussion if I'd known who did it to me, 'cos then I might have sent off a pm instead (and my initial post wasn't really that important, I was just agreeing with someone else, but nor was it more off-topic than that person's post). But then again, if someone is going to start punishing me in public, on dubious grounds at that, then it feels unfair to make me go look for them behind the scenes, like, for an explanation.

Besides, the mods have the upper hand, since we can do fuck all except complain, and if that's done in private, who'll know it even happened, even if we are right?

Besides, have I behaved so badly in the past I don't deserve to have a say?


Signing off your work is a good thing, though, so do that.

[Skiz]

I like the "This post deleted by ...." option.

Why?

The deletion of posts is the annoying part. I don't think a post should be deleted unless it's highly offensive, gross, kiddy porn, or condemning other members. I had a post deleted just yesterday b/c I couldn't understand what this guy was asking in his thread, so I posted "what?" and it was deleted. I was attempting to help the guy but I needed more info.

[{I}{K}{E}]

I had a post deleted just yesterday b/c I couldn't understand what this guy was asking in his thread, so I posted "what?" and it was deleted. I was attempting to help the guy but I needed more info.

and I send you a PM bout that.

why didnt you ask if he could explain his question a bit more instead of only replying wity 'what' ?

The question he posted was really simple.

[99%]

why not make an auto responder for mods

your thread XXX has been moved too XXX due to XXXX
&
your thread XXX has been deleted because Rule 13 rawks etc

[sparsely]

Sparsely's post was still there after you'd deleted mine, and imartin's post was a comment about ot-posts so it stands to reason that one would be removed
*snip*

yeah, if you wanna take down Snny you'll have to take me down too! :01:

[Snee]

For what it's worth, I thought it could stay in there, same as mine.

[RPerry]

This is all a bit silly really. There seems to be some people who really try their hardest to see how far they can go. for those who want warnings, its posted in a sticky in this section, and many others:

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/t82911.html

As far as which person to pm, I'm sure it doesn't matter. Most of us are willing to answer any PM sent, and if the post/topic is wrongfully deleted, most times we can make it magically appear :) Its been done before.

[Snee]

Rob, I can't speak for everyone else, but I certainly didn't post anything just to try and see how far I could go in the thread in question.

If someone has, willfully, been doing that, and you are sure of it, then that's another thing entirely.

And as for pm:ing anybody, I tried that twice in the past when threads of mine went missing, and the mods I asked to find out came back, only being able to tell me that it was probably <insert whoever (possibly) did it>, that felt like a fairly pointless exercise.


Hell, the only time I was ever on moderation no one told me who put me on it, (Although I have a fairly good idea of who and why, 'cos I'd been a bad boy :D)

[DanB]

I don't see whatthe problem is with pm'ing people when you remove a post of thiers. I mean wtf, its common decency.

You want to be treated with the respect you think you deserve, then treat us with the respect we think we deserve :dry:

[RPerry]

Rob, I can't speak for everyone else, but I certainly didn't post anything just to try and see how far I could go in the thread in question.

If someone has, willfully, been doing that, and you are sure of it, then that's another thing entirely.

And as for pm:ing anybody, I tried that twice in the past when threads of mine went missing, and the mods I asked to find out came back, only being able to tell me that it was probably <insert whoever (possibly) did it>, that felt like a fairly pointless exercise.


Hell, the only time I was ever on moderation no one told me who put me on it, (Although I have a fairly good idea of who and why, 'cos I'd been a bad boy :D)

I assure you I'm not accusing you of doing it willfully, but its been a trend lately, and needs to stop. There has been a focus on the games section lately, even resulting in moderation periods for some, buts its becoming a trend all over the board. Please, we are accountable for our actions with the rest of the team. When there is a serious problem with any action taken, it does come up. The Mod/Admin team are not robots. we all do the best we can and make decisions as best we can. We were all asked to do this job based on who we were, and our ability to do it. It doesn't mean we all agree all the time, but are able to work things out amongst each other. Attacking individual team members needs to come to an end also. I cannot think of many boards that would allow even a topic such as this to begin with. I see people want pm's when their topic/posts are deleted, but how many of thosw who want it actually send Pm's to the team before starting topics such as these ? :rolleyes:

[RPerry]

I don't see whatthe problem is with pm'ing people when you remove a post of thiers. I mean wtf, its common decency.

You want to be treated with the respect you think you deserve, then treat us with the respect we think we deserve :dry:

And I don't see what the problem is pm'ing the Team with problems. I mean wtf, its common decency.

You want to be treated with the respect you think you deserve, then treat us with the respect we think we deserve :rolleyes:

[JPaul]

I like the "This post deleted by ...." option.

Why?

The deletion of posts is the annoying part. I don't think a post should be deleted unless it's highly offensive, gross, kiddy porn, or condemning other members. I had a post deleted just yesterday b/c I couldn't understand what this guy was asking in his thread, so I posted "what?" and it was deleted. I was attempting to help the guy but I needed more info.
For the reasons I went on to outline.

I thought the conjunction was self-evident.

[JPaul]

I still say "deleted by ...." is the simplest option.

Unless chaps wish to disassociate themselves from their censorship. Which would make them a poltroon, one would have thought.

[DanB]

I don't see whatthe problem is with pm'ing people when you remove a post of thiers. I mean wtf, its common decency.

You want to be treated with the respect you think you deserve, then treat us with the respect we think we deserve :dry:

And I don't see what the problem is pm'ing the Team with problems. I mean wtf, its common decency.

You want to be treated with the respect you think you deserve, then treat us with the respect we think we deserve :rolleyes:

Well done for quoting my post back to me :D

Why should the onus be on the member though when its the team member deleting the post? :unsure:

[Snee]

Rob, I can't speak for everyone else, but I certainly didn't post anything just to try and see how far I could go in the thread in question.

If someone has, willfully, been doing that, and you are sure of it, then that's another thing entirely.

And as for pm:ing anybody, I tried that twice in the past when threads of mine went missing, and the mods I asked to find out came back, only being able to tell me that it was probably <insert whoever (possibly) did it>, that felt like a fairly pointless exercise.


Hell, the only time I was ever on moderation no one told me who put me on it, (Although I have a fairly good idea of who and why, 'cos I'd been a bad boy :D)

I assure you I'm not accusing you of doing it willfully, but its been a trend lately, and needs to stop. There has been a focus on the games section lately, even resulting in moderation periods for some, buts its becoming a trend all over the board. Please, we are accountable for our actions with the rest of the team. When there is a serious problem with any action taken, it does come up. The Mod/Admin team are not robots. we all do the best we can and make decisions as best we can. We were all asked to do this job based on who we were, and our ability to do it. It doesn't mean we all agree all the time, but are able to work things out amongst each other. Attacking individual team members needs to come to an end also. I cannot think of many boards that would allow even a topic such as this to begin with. I see people want pm's when their topic/posts are deleted, but how many of thosw who want it actually send Pm's to the team before starting topics such as these ? :rolleyes:
Like I said, in my earlier experiences there was no point in picking a team-member at random to pm, 'cos they didn't know who did it anyway.

This reaction isn't a sudden one, it's been building up to this for quite some time for me.

[{I}{K}{E}]

Like I said, in my earlier experiences there was no point in picking a team-member at random to pm, 'cos they didn't know who did it anyway.



Create a thread in the report section, this way all teammembers can read it and the one who removed your reply will post a comment or reason.

[tesco]

I assure you I'm not accusing you of doing it willfully, but its been a trend lately, and needs to stop. There has been a focus on the games section lately, even resulting in moderation periods for some, buts its becoming a trend all over the board. Please, we are accountable for our actions with the rest of the team. When there is a serious problem with any action taken, it does come up. The Mod/Admin team are not robots. we all do the best we can and make decisions as best we can. We were all asked to do this job based on who we were, and our ability to do it. It doesn't mean we all agree all the time, but are able to work things out amongst each other. Attacking individual team members needs to come to an end also. I cannot think of many boards that would allow even a topic such as this to begin with. I see people want pm's when their topic/posts are deleted, but how many of thosw who want it actually send Pm's to the team before starting topics such as these ? :rolleyes:
Like I said, in my earlier experiences there was no point in picking a team-member at random to pm, 'cos they didn't know who did it anyway.

This reaction isn't a sudden one, it's been building up to this for quite some time for me.

If you think you know who did it you can PM them, if you have no idea you can use the report section... All mods see that.

[Virtualbody1234]

Why should the onus be on the member though when its the team member deleting the post? :unsure:
If the same logic could be used by moderators it would look like:

Why should the onus be on the moderator though when its the member who posted poorly? :unsure:

It all makes no sense.

[DanB]

Why should the onus be on the member though when its the team member deleting the post? :unsure:
If the same logic could be used by moderators it would look like:

Why should the onus be on the moderator though when its the member who posted poorly? :unsure:

It all makes no sense.

With power comes responsibility

[MCHeshPants420]

Like I said, in my earlier experiences there was no point in picking a team-member at random to pm, 'cos they didn't know who did it anyway.



Create a thread in the report section, this way all teammembers can read it and the one who removed your reply will post a comment or reason.

No. You should just sign off in the thread if you delete any offending posts. That way a person can just cut out the whole middle-man and PM the moderator who deleted the post directly if they feel they have been wronged. Also, other people will realise that this sort of thing is not tolerated.

Why are you so averse to admitting that you have taken action? Most other boards I inhabit are more strict but they will always tell you when they have taken action. How hard is it to make a simple post saying, "Sorry guys I've had to delete a few posts because they were off-topic. Please PM me with any questions"?

Stop being lazy, stop hiding behind rules. Or stop being a moderator, it's not as if we need as many of you guys as we seem to have.

[{I}{K}{E}]

No. You should just sign off in the thread if you delete any offending posts. That way a person can just cut out the whole middle-man and PM the moderator who deleted the post directly if they feel they have been wronged. Also, other people will realise that this sort of thing is not tolerated.

Why are you so averse to admitting that you have taken action? Most other boards I inhabit are more strict but they will always tell you when they have taken action. How hard is it to make a simple post saying, "Sorry guys I've had to delete a few posts because they were off-topic. Please PM me with any questions"?

Stop being lazy, stop hiding behind rules. Or stop being a moderator, it's not as if we need as many of you guys as we seem to have.

We (I) dont hide behind rules. we (I) follow them. (a thing some of you dont)

I still dont see the point in sending a PM when I delete a completely useless reply.
We are talking about 2 sections this section and the games section. As you can see both have a sticky saying off-topic replies WILL be removed or moved to the lounge. we dont remove ALL off-topic replies sometimes a thread just goes off-topic but still remains a serious thread.

and I'm not lazy, you must have no idea how much time I have spent here trying to improve this forum/website.

[Virtualbody1234]

If the same logic could be used by moderators it would look like:

Why should the onus be on the moderator though when its the member who posted poorly? :unsure:

It all makes no sense.

With power comes responsibility
Members have responsability too.

[MCHeshPants420]

No. You should just sign off in the thread if you delete any offending posts. That way a person can just cut out the whole middle-man and PM the moderator who deleted the post directly if they feel they have been wronged. Also, other people will realise that this sort of thing is not tolerated.

Why are you so averse to admitting that you have taken action? Most other boards I inhabit are more strict but they will always tell you when they have taken action. How hard is it to make a simple post saying, "Sorry guys I've had to delete a few posts because they were off-topic. Please PM me with any questions"?

Stop being lazy, stop hiding behind rules. Or stop being a moderator, it's not as if we need as many of you guys as we seem to have.

We (I) dont hide behind rules. we (I) follow them. (a thing some of you dont)

I still dont see the point in sending a PM when I delete a completely useless reply.
We are talking about 2 sections this section and the games section. As you can see both have a sticky saying off-topic replies WILL be removed or moved to the lounge. we dont remove ALL off-topic replies sometimes a thread just goes off-topic but still remains a serious thread.

and I'm not lazy, you must have no idea how many time I have spent here trying to improve this forum/website.


See the other day you deleted one of my posts when I pointed out that you should re-open the Michael Jackson thread in the lounge to keep off-topic comments out of the Boring Tomb thread. Now the fact that you re-opened that thread suggests that my idea was useful. So why the deletion? Turns out it was a useful suggestion to something you posted in that thread. I'm sure other people can argue similary against deletions of their posts.

If you think it's a useless post fine enough, but at least give a person a chance to defend themselves by admitting to a deletion in the thread. Also, if they continue bad form (by your standards) they will have been given ample public warnings.

And if you don't want people to think that you are lazy then you should really jump at the chance of proving it by the insertion of a few posts indicating that you are doing your job. By saying you have deleted a post you are also saying "Hey, look at me! I'm doing my job!" ;)

[DanB]

With power comes responsibility
Members have responsability too.

We can't delete posts though. :blink:

[{I}{K}{E}]

You are right I should have send you a PM after I removed your post from the MJ thread in the The Drawing Room, but I thought you would understand if I removed it because your reply didn't add anything to the current discussion in that thread

[JPaul]

With power comes responsibility
Members have responsability too.
No they don't.

That's just a cop out.

[DanB]

Members have responsability too.
No they don't.

That's just a cop out.

VB is used to that though, he copped out of being a mod after all :pinch:

[MCHeshPants420]

No they don't.

That's just a cop out.

VB is used to that though, he copped out of being a mod after all :pinch:

I thought VB made for a good mod, and it was a shame he left after the Yogi/sig thing (if memory serves me right...).

[Adster]

I had a mod nice enough PM to tell me he deleted my post and thats all I asked for. do that then us members will STFU about it..

Its just common curtsy

what do you do when you work in a business?? do you burn documentation without telling a employee

[Adster]

Yes, there is. Because if we have a complaint about it, if we feel our post is on-topic and that you are being unfair we need to know who to engage to make a complaint.

Rule. 13

guess what I have 1 problem with rule 13

how the flying fuck are we suppose to know who deleted the post to PM???

and if you mods read your rules guess what yoru breaking them!!!!

NikkiD posted once the rules for mods in this board like me to bump it???

and deleteing posts without explanation was not one of them

oh and IKE ive been around the forum for over 2 year before you were mod when i was posting shit worse shit long before any of you here and the mods back then couldn't care less you could never handle me back then the old mods are far Superior to the new ones

[99%]

is there an option to disagree to this thread
or is it oneway conversation

[Adster]

you guys think the gamesworld part is bad????

i guess you NEW mods were in nappies 2 years ago when musicworld was known as the music lounge and it kicked the living shit out of teh gamesworld spam you see now

[Virtualbody1234]

No they don't.

That's just a cop out.

VB is used to that though, he copped out of being a mod after all :pinch:Fuck off. http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/fingerright.gif You don't know what your talking about.




I thought VB made for a good mod, and it was a shame he left after the Yogi/sig thing (if memory serves me right...).
Very good. You do have a good memory but it involved more than just the sig thing. There were other thing going on within the team at the time.

[asmithz]

{I}{K}{E} is power crazy, so why should we care. This topic should be closed too.

[Afronaut]

{I}{K}{E} is power crazy, so why should we care. This topic should be closed too.

Hehehehehe...

Thanks for the giggles, I was waiting for that one.
Yes, 1|{3 0u7 0f (0n7r0|, w3 mu57 |{1LL |-|1|\/| !!!oneoneon!!!11!!

Anyhoo.

For me it seems that folks like to pick on even the smallest things sometimes,
I guess its the nature of internet, especially forums.
The folks who spends the most time online usually are the ones that
gets the pants up the crack quicly, or they like to "make a point" just
for sake of argument. (or having fun arguing). Or maybe that's just imo.

Is there some sort of tension that keeps building up and needs to be
ejaculated over the board every now and then? I dunno, really.
Could it be a little lack of drama? Excitment? No?

Now, im not pointing any fingers here so you must not get tarred,
its just something about the vibe in here I wanted to post about.

I dont have a problem with Ike or any other Mod. deleting my off-topic stuff.
Personally I think Ike does much more good to this board than bad.
Infact, I think the current Team (excluding author) does more than decent job imo.

In one hand, them mods dont clean up enough so we got reports,
then again, some posts gots deleted and its considered really a bad thing.

Cant please everyone can we, no matter what?
:naughty:

No Snny, I didnt delete you posts. I hardly delete anything, only if its reported
and that's because other mods has their eys on stuff more than I do.
But if I do delete something, im not sure if im arsed to send a PM but that all depends what the post was about.

Got enough hassle with PM's allready. I'd like to read and post too and not spend all my time in PM-box. (im a lazy git)

Basically, I think good enough solution for this is "PM a Mod issue" is
use the report section. Any mod can and will see it. Things get forward from there.


:D

(I'll get back to my UACD, checking back later...)

[RPerry]

If the same logic could be used by moderators it would look like:

Why should the onus be on the moderator though when its the member who posted poorly? :unsure:

It all makes no sense.

With power comes responsibility

See, here is the root of the problem. You see it as power, I see it as responsibilty. We do the best we can, and make an occasional mistake. I have shown my willingness on several occasions to make things right when that happens. Nobody ( and I don't mean you VB1234:P ) is perfect. There are several means of resolving problems without resulting in all the drama, and that was why I quoted your post back to you. We have made several options available, but most members don't use them. However, that doesn't mean just because you ( not you Dan, members in general) feel there is an issue, that the team will agree :rolleyes:

As I have already said, things have been slowly getting out of control, and I see no fault in Ike's judgement

[Busyman]

With power comes responsibility

See, here is the root of the problem. You see it as power, I see it as responsibilty. We do the best we can, and make an occasional mistake. I have shown my willingness on several occasions to make things right when that happens. Nobody ( and I don't mean you VB1234:P ) is perfect. There are several means of resolving problems without resulting in all the drama, and that was why I quoted your post back to you. We have made several options available, but most members don't use them. However, that doesn't mean just because you ( not you Dan, members in general) feel there is an issue, that the team will agree :rolleyes:

As I have already said, things have been slowly getting out of control, and I see no fault in Ike's judgement
The bottom line is Mods (IKE especially) and some admin make many poor judgements as well members.

Sometimes shit should be left well enough alone. Stop nitpicking.

Anytime a member gets banned for one post....

Has a post deleted for saying Star Wars sucks and isn't worth the dl (IKE, I know it was you)...

...and hides afterwards is worthy of derision.

Let some shit go. Unfortunately, I had to point out IKE since he seems to be culprit.

I used to like the fact that he was very active and adds stuff to the board but now it's undeniable that he takes himself too seriously and it's a horrible trade-off. Go outside some, read a book ffs. :dry:

[{I}{K}{E}]

Has a post deleted for saying Star Wars sucks and isn't worth the dl (IKE, I know it was you)...

...and hides afterwards is worthy of derision.



That was posted by a new member who signed up only to get a torrent invite I removed all his posts because they were all useless.

hide after deleting a post? :unsure:

[JPaul]

You shouldn't be swapping torrent invites anyway. Unless you really know the person who you are giving them to. It's very poor form.

I think I said that in another thread as well.

[Busyman]

Has a post deleted for saying Star Wars sucks and isn't worth the dl (IKE, I know it was you)...

...and hides afterwards is worthy of derision.



That was posted by a new member who signed up only to get a torrent invite I removed all his posts because they were all useless.

hide after deleting a post? :unsure:
It was my post IKE. :dry: I don't know about this other fella.

[{I}{K}{E}]

That was posted by a new member who signed up only to get a torrent invite I removed all his posts because they were all useless.

hide after deleting a post? :unsure:
It was my post IKE. :dry: I don't know about this other fella.

then I also removed yours.

but I think you understand why it was removed.

[Busyman]

It was my post IKE. :dry: I don't know about this other fella.

then I also removed yours.

but I think you understand why it was removed.
Obviously cause I said the movie...
Star Wars sucks and isn't worth the dl....in a Star Wars thread.

Next time I'll give it praise to keep my precious post count up to it's esteemed levels.

Keep up the great work. :dry:

[JPaul]

Is this a joke, was a post deleted because the person said they didn't like a movie.

In Movieworld.

In a thread about that movie.

What would the logic behind that be.

[Afronaut]

Is this a joke, was a post deleted because the person said they didn't like a movie.
.

Nope, as I understood, the posters posts was all removed as
t'was about spammin to get invites.

[{I}{K}{E}]

Is this a joke, was a post deleted because the person said they didn't like a movie.



It was removed because it didnt add anything to the discussion. Saying a movie sucks (in caps if I remember correct) without giving a reason is imo a useless reply.


so are we now gonna talk bout every post I removed in the past?

[JPaul]

Is this a joke, was a post deleted because the person said they didn't like a movie.
.

Nope, as I understood, the posters posts was all removed as
t'was about spammin to get invites.
I meant the Busyman thing.

Like I said I don't agree with the whole invites thing anyway. If people know each other, fine do it in private. But invite swapping is just plain wrong and I am sure it will get the forum into bother. It is putting other people at risk to suit our own ends.

[JPaul]

Is this a joke, was a post deleted because the person said they didn't like a movie.



It was removed because it didnt add anything to the discussion. Saying a movie sucks (in caps if I remember correct) without giving a reason is imo a useless reply.


so are we now gonna talk bout every post I removed in the past?
Not me mate, I have no issue with you about that. I think you are a decent chap who does his best. The fact that I may not agree with you all the time is neither here nor there, that's just a matter of opinions.

However, as I have said often in the past, in my opinion censorship is wrong. Tho' I can see it is sometimes necessary. That is why things should be left alone, unless there is a reason to remove them. It is therefore up to the censor to justify what they do, not the poster.

I say again, a simple "deleted by IKE" is all it would take to satsify me. Not a PM. That way if I take issue with the decision I can contact you and we can discuss things like adults.

[{I}{K}{E}]

I've asked in the TC if there is a way we can let members see a deletion notice when only their post is removed. If I enable it now you can also see the deletion notice when someone elses post is removed which I think isn't needed for members to see.

I'm not saying if its possible we will enable this, because all team members need to agree on this before we enable such option for members ;)

[JPaul]

I've asked in the TC if there is a way we can let members see a deletion notice when only their post is removed. If I enable it now you can also see the deletion notice when someone elses post is removed which I think isn't needed for members to see.

I'm not saying if its possible we will enable this, because all team members need to agree on this before we enable such option for members ;)
Thanks for that.

[Busyman]

Is this a joke, was a post deleted because the person said they didn't like a movie.



It was removed because it didnt add anything to the discussion. Saying a movie sucks (in caps if I remember correct) without giving a reason is imo a useless reply.


so are we now gonna talk bout every post I removed in the past?
Ok this is getting ridiculous.

It wasn't in caps. I don't post that way.

Second off, it's a fucking opinion. WhoTF knows what reasons I said it was a bad movie.

This IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!! (oops ALL CAPS)

It is not your job to say my opinion is a usless reply...especially in a thread about the movie ffs.

Then to top it off, the reply magically disappears. The good thing is everytime there is a deletion like that..we all really should know which mod to PM 'cause no other mods do this in such an inconsistent and tyrannical manner. (Good Ole Deletion IKE)

That much is CaptainObvious and I'm done with it. There isn't anything you can say whatsoever as a comeback that will be of note. :dry:

Peace out.

[{I}{K}{E}]

it's a fucking opinion. WhoTF knows what reasons I said it was a bad movie.



It was your opinion yes, but dont you understand it's a bit useless if you dont tell us WHY you think its a bad movie?

Would you like it if everyone only posted things like 'nice movie' / 'didnt like it' / 'hated it' :huh:

If you start a thread in the movies section about a film you wanna talk about/discuss that movie not see posts like that.

[Busyman]

it's a fucking opinion. WhoTF knows what reasons I said it was a bad movie.



It was your opinion yes, but dont you understand it's a bit useless if you dont tell us WHY you think its a bad movie?
It's cool man. I'll try to adhere to your WHY format in the future and look forward to your future deletions of said non-adherence. I doubt you remember if I did post a reason tbh (seeing that you didn't remember the deletion and why would you among all the other mass deletions).

Logical as always. :1eye:

[Busyman]

it's a fucking opinion. WhoTF knows what reasons I said it was a bad movie.


Would you like it if everyone only posted things like 'nice movie' / 'didnt like it' / 'hated it' :huh:

If you start a thread in the movies section about a film you wanna talk about/discuss that movie not see posts like that.
Missed your edit....

The thing is I wouldn't micro-manage it to this degree.

I know there will be a post here and there like that and most of the time another member will call those posts into question and the reason will come out anyway. :dog: Run-On :dog:

It wouldn't be my job to ensure this unless it gets out-of-hand.

[Virtualbody1234]

I don't like the fact that Busymans post was deleted.

If I don't tell you the reason that I don't like it does that make it right for you to delete my opinoin?

Bye Bye post. :bye:

[Peerzy]

Thing is there are so many posts in Gameworld that are made that are just;


LOZZZ


HAHAH


GETZ 0N A0lzzzz LoollZZ


WTF???!1!?!/!!?!?1 L0LZZZ

So i can see why IKE gets pissed off with that type of reply.

[scribblec]

it's a fucking opinion. WhoTF knows what reasons I said it was a bad movie.



It was your opinion yes, but dont you understand it's a bit useless if you dont tell us WHY you think its a bad movie?

Would you like it if everyone only posted things like 'nice movie' / 'didnt like it' / 'hated it' :huh:

If you start a thread in the movies section about a film you wanna talk about/discuss that movie not see posts like that.

i honestly agree with ike here, if i said this whole post was shit then it would get deleted, if i said it was shit because "(excuse)" then it would be completly valid.


therefor your post deserves to get deleted :ph34r:

[Busyman]

Thing is there are so many posts in Gameworld that are made that are just;




HAHAH


GETZ 0N A0lzzzz LoollZZ


WTF???!1!?!/!!?!?1 L0LZZZ

So i can see why IKE gets pissed off with that type of reply.
Too bad I don't post that way. :dry:

IKE micro-managed the post. PERIOD.

If someone said...

I didn't really like Batman and won't even buy it for a dollar.

That's hardly worth deletion.

If I recall, I did give a reason but can't remember it. Why?

'CAUSE IT'S DELETED OMG!!1!1!WTF!!1!111!1LOL

[Peerzy]

Too bad I don't post that way. :dry:


But others do, and because they do the mods have decided to take a harder line on off topic posts.

[Busyman]

Too bad I don't post that way. :dry:


But others do, and because they do the mods have decided to take a harder line on off topic posts.
Well.........those examples didn't apply to me then.

If so, then be consistent.

Saying a movie is shit is not off-topic.

Anyway since the mod team is seeing about implementing this "automatic explanation" doohicky (very good idea), it would eliminate folks questioning the mods in pubic (I know I said) even if it doesn't curb the tyranny and inconsistency.

I think that a good start and this thread accomplished something.

Do we still need this open?

Oh and this is classic http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/showthread.php?p=1077225#post1077225

Where is Deletion IKE? :lol: :lol:

:P

[Peerzy]

But others do, and because they do the mods have decided to take a harder line on off topic posts.
Well.........those examples didn't apply to me then.

If so, then be consistent.

Saying a movie is shit is not off-topic.




Not offtopic but it doesn't bring anything to the topic and is no better than a;

LOLZZ SHITZ M0\/IEZZZ

type of post.

Thats teh way i see it.

[Busyman]

Well.........those examples didn't apply to me then.

If so, then be consistent.

Saying a movie is shit is not off-topic.




Not offtopic but it doesn't bring anything to the topic and is no better than a;

LOLZZ SHITZ M0\/IEZZZ

type of post.

Thats teh way i see it.

If so, then be consistent.

Damn you two really do piggyback on each other. :ohmy:

[Adster]

Is this a joke, was a post deleted because the person said they didn't like a movie.



It was removed because it didnt add anything to the discussion. Saying a movie sucks (in caps if I remember correct) without giving a reason is imo a useless reply.


so are we now gonna talk bout every post I removed in the past?


IKE hypathetical question if someone said a movie sux in movieworld in the topic of the movie and you thought it sux too would you delete it?

oh and busyman watch what you say you mouth off at me for giving my opnions all the time :dry: (<insert busyman smiley here)

[Busyman]

It was removed because it didnt add anything to the discussion. Saying a movie sucks (in caps if I remember correct) without giving a reason is imo a useless reply.


so are we now gonna talk bout every post I removed in the past?


IKE hypathetical question if someone said a movie sux in movieworld in the topic of the movie and you thought it sux too would you delete it?

oh and busyman watch what you say you mouth off at me for giving my opnions all the time :dry: (<insert busyman smiley here)
1. You are barely here so....

2. I barely address you when you are and....

3. I mouth off if it's offensive (which was like a whole one time or something).

:dry: (<--------consider it inserted and it feels great)

[Adster]

offensive??? i think the 2 things I'm thinking of was saying million dollar baby deserved best picture and the other was about new england not being a dynasty :lol: hardly offensive

but yeah i don't agree to IKE deleting your post if you wanna talk movies just go on the IMDB forums you can give opinions there and debate

and as I said before about gamesworld spam posts that is nothing from what was let go in musicwrold. obviously mods don't go there??? in the past we basically had conversations in there like soulseek conversations.

the LOL ROTFL posts it depends how there done.. I can no longer have fun on thsi forum anymore that explains why im hardly here now

[Skiz]

How about not deleting the posts at all? Why not just edit the post with the reason why the original content was removed? :huh:

[Peerzy]

Not offtopic but it doesn't bring anything to the topic and is no better than a;

LOLZZ SHITZ M0\/IEZZZ

type of post.

Thats teh way i see it.

If so, then be consistent.

Damn you two really do piggyback on each other. :ohmy:

I think the mods are tryng to be consistent, hence why members have noticed an increase in post deleation.

[Busyman]

How about not deleting the posts at all? Why not just edit the post with the reason why the original content was removed? :huh:
That's alot of trouble tbh.

[Busyman]

If so, then be consistent.

Damn you two really do piggyback on each other. :ohmy:

I think the mods are tryng to be consistent, hence why members have noticed an increase in post deleation.
It's always been around.

I haven't noticed an increase.

[MCHeshPants420]

it's a fucking opinion. WhoTF knows what reasons I said it was a bad movie.



It was your opinion yes, but dont you understand it's a bit useless if you dont tell us WHY you think its a bad movie?

Would you like it if everyone only posted things like 'nice movie' / 'didnt like it' / 'hated it' :huh:

If you start a thread in the movies section about a film you wanna talk about/discuss that movie not see posts like that.

You should try this yourself. I notice that you post a lot of one or two word replies to people's questions with the wrong answer or without explaining yourself. Pretty much a useless response either way.

It's a bit harsh that the person most guilty for deleting posts has quite a few "delete-worthy" posts of his own. :pinch:

Anyhow, it's nice that you may be going with the automated response thing. Never again will people accuse teh mods of laziness...

[Skiz]

How about not deleting the posts at all? Why not just edit the post with the reason why the original content was removed? :huh:
That's alot of trouble tbh.

How could it possibly be more trouble than deleting the post, and then PM'ing the person as to why? I am an admin of a very small board with only a few members (couple hundred) and trust, this is easier.

[Adster]

That's alot of trouble tbh.

How could it possibly be more trouble than deleting the post, and then PM'ing the person as to why? I am an admin of a very small board with only a few members (couple hundred) and trust, this is easier.


read what afronaut said hes a lazy bum :P

[Busyman]

That's alot of trouble tbh.

How could it possibly be more trouble than deleting the post, and then PM'ing the person as to why? I am an admin of a very small board with only a few members (couple hundred) and trust, this is easier.
Not really that.

What if the post says...

OMG!!11!!!!1!!

How do you edit that?

Nvm I understand now. It would just be blank. Sry.

Actually, come to think of it, I have seen this before on this board.

Apologies. ;)