• U.S. Government Shuts Down PokerStars, FullTiltPoker and AbsolutePoker Gambling Sites


    Gambling online just got significantly less convenient Friday when the U.S. Government shut down the three largest Internet gambling sites operating in the United States. Now it's time for a precedent-setting showdown, where courts will determine if this kind of gambling is legal or not.

    Federal prosecutors accused the three founders of the gambling sites and eight others with illegal gambling, bank fraud and money laundering, according to the Financial Times [paywall].

    The government also filed a $3 billion civil suit to recover profits from the operations, the Financial Timesreported. Gambling sites Full Tilt Poker (Update: which responded to the allegations here), PokerStars andAbsolute Poker allegedly disguised billions of dollars of gambling payments as online store purchases of items such as golf balls, jewelry and flowers, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    If you're in the U.S., when you point your browser to any of those three gambling sites, you see a scary thing: The U.S. government has seized the domain names of the three sites, preventing gambling transactions and anything else:
    The indictment says many of the banks that processed payments for these gambling companies were unaware they were handling gambling funds, which is against a 2006 law prohibiting gambling operations from accepting payments in the United States. In addition, it says the three gambling companies found smaller, financially ailing banks to bribe, making investments in those banks that were willing to look the other way when processing gambling funds.

    The problem gets a bit dicey when you realize that these three online gambling organizations are not based in the U.S. For instance, PokerStars headquarters is on the Isle of Man, a self-governed British Crown Dependency located in the Irish Sea between Great Britain and Ireland. One of our readers sent a picture of its headquarters to us today:

    Will the Isle of Man or other countries where these gambling organizations are based comply with U.S. extradition requests? So far, that's unknown.
    There's disagreement about whether online gambling is even a crime or not. Of course, the gambling organizations don't think it should be. For example, former Senator Alphonse D'Amato of New York, who is now the chairman of a gambling group that calls itself the Poker Player's Alliance, told The New York Times, "We are shocked at the action. Online poker is not a crime and should not be treated as such."

    Source: Yahoo
    Comments 21 Comments
    1. merwais's Avatar
      merwais -
      Gambling is bad.
      US government should shut down all poker sites.
    1. duke0102's Avatar
      duke0102 -
      Gambling in America is terrible .... where's Las Vegas again?
    1. eyekey's Avatar
      eyekey -
      and they call this a free country...
    1. heiska's Avatar
      heiska -
      Absolutely horrible.
    1. duke0102's Avatar
      duke0102 -
      Quote Originally Posted by eyekey View Post
      and they call this a free country...
      The air is free.....for the moment....
    1. bobbintb's Avatar
      bobbintb -
      Quote Originally Posted by merwais View Post
      Gambling is bad.
      Mkay.
    1. iratetechie's Avatar
      iratetechie -
      Quote Originally Posted by duke0102 View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by eyekey View Post
      and they call this a free country...
      The air is free.....for the moment....
      Hey Duke0102
      Don't worry your government is getting as bad as ours here in Canada... trust me they will tax the clean air, then they will tax you more for the air you let out becasue it omits carbon into the air. Then you will have to pay $35 bucks every other year (see ontario's clean air tax) if you are older than 10 to get a "Clean Air" done to make sure you dont polute it with anything else (i.e Smoking). So dont fret my friend... it will come....

      Iratetechie....
    1. godofhell's Avatar
      godofhell -
      online gambling is prone to illegal activity. they should just allow gambling in all of the states and not just LasVegas
    1. duke0102's Avatar
      duke0102 -
      @iratetechie
      I hear that m8. We even have to pay to get into the nations capitol (London) by car now..
    1. eyekey's Avatar
      eyekey -
      Next The U.S. government is going to tell me that if I want to buy regular potato chips (instead of fat free ones) or a box of Twinkies that I should be forced to pay a special tax. (someone just whispered to me that they are discussing just that)
    1. Sporkk's Avatar
      Sporkk -
      I agree that the government is bad yada yada but I'm all for them shutting this stuff down.
    1. heiska's Avatar
      heiska -
      Quote Originally Posted by jedispork View Post
      I agree that the government is bad yada yada but I'm all for them shutting this stuff down.
      So fucking disrespectful.

      I'd rather have them shut down every single stupid ass torrent site on the internet than let them fucking freeze/steal/whatever people's money on those perfectly legal (where I live) poker sites. As if I was responsible that the land of the free ain't so free after all when it comes to playing poker somewhere else than Vegas.

      So please keep your retarded opinions to yourself, kthx.
    1. hotshot6473's Avatar
      hotshot6473 -
      You would have be the retarded one if you chose to start the gambling businesses in the USA when they know it is illegal.
    1. eyekey's Avatar
      eyekey -
      It's been perfectly fine for years. I'm not going to defend the government intruding upon my life.
    1. heiska's Avatar
      heiska -
      Quote Originally Posted by hotshot6473 View Post
      You would have be the retarded one if you chose to start the gambling businesses in the USA when they know it is illegal.
      Wrong again, idiot. If you had any sense you would know that poker itself is legal in the USA, the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 talks about depositing money to these sites:
      Quote Originally Posted by PokerStars View Post
      PokerStars has received extensive expert advice from within and outside the U.S. which concluded that these provisions do not alter the U.S. legal situation with respect to our offering of online poker games.

      Furthermore it is important to emphasize that the Act does not in any way prohibit you from playing online poker.

      Therefore, our business continues as before - open to players worldwide including the US. You may play on our site as you did prior to the Act.

      PokerStars believes that poker is a game of skill enjoyed by millions of players and we remain committed to providing you a safe and fun environment in which to play. We value your loyalty to PokerStars, and look forward to continuing to serve you with the best online poker experience, as we have for the past five years, six billion hands, and 40 million tournaments.
      Source: http://www.gambling-law-us.com/Feder...mbling-ban.htm
    1. Sporkk's Avatar
      Sporkk -
      I'm sure everyone is right that its another loss of freedom however I'm not arguing that issue or the legality of them shutting the sites down.

      Gambling is one of those things I could care less about. All it brings about is problems. Your throwing your money in a pot to hopefully gain while another person looses. Gambling on the net is just a bad idea. So many ways to get ripped off from so many different people. However if thats what a person wants to do I have no right to tell them otherwise.

      You resort to name calling and then try to reason with someone. All that does is make people mad and not listen.

      I also want to say is why don't people start doing things about the government instead of complaining all the time. Start protesting or doing whatever you legally can. If a entire nation refused to work for a few weeks because of gas prices what would happen? I'm thinking we would see lower prices or more alternative transportation ideas. People just want to complain and never do anything about it.
    1. heiska's Avatar
      heiska -
      Quote Originally Posted by jedispork View Post
      I'm sure everyone is right that its another loss of freedom however I'm not arguing that issue or the legality of them shutting the sites down.

      Gambling is one of those things I could care less about. All it brings about is problems. Your throwing your money in a pot to hopefully gain while another person looses. Gambling on the net is just a bad idea. So many ways to get ripped off from so many different people. However if thats what a person wants to do I have no right to tell them otherwise.

      You resort to name calling and then try to reason with someone. All that does is make people mad and not listen.

      I also want to say is why don't people start doing things about the government instead of complaining all the time. Start protesting or doing whatever you legally can. If a entire nation refused to work for a few weeks because of gas prices what would happen? I'm thinking we would see lower prices or more alternative transportation ideas. People just want to complain and never do anything about it.
      If only poker was gambling. Chance is only one of the many factors in poker. And we are talking about wesbites which offer pure poker, not rigged house-edge casino games (which didn't get busted, I may add).

      What's your take on the 50'000 now unemployed, former poker professionals in the US alone? The pros (with their families) are forced to move to Europe because of this stupid fiasco. Please go tell them how you feel about gambling.

      There is nothing constructive I could personally do about this anymore, as I am based in Northern Europe.
    1. Sneak's Avatar
      Sneak -
      Jedispork.

      Die.
    1. Sporkk's Avatar
      Sporkk -
      Well I made comments about something I didn't know much about. Must be the first time that ever happened on a message board. I should also know better by now to talk about my belief in morals on a message board.

      Thank you for enlightening me. It was not my intention to piss anyone off.

      Good Day
    1. eyekey's Avatar
      eyekey -
      Jedi, personally, I have no problem discussing morals. It's just that morals are often tied to religious values. I do not want anyone's religious values forced (legislated) on me.