Osama bin Laden dead, nearly 10 years after 9/11 terrorist attacks

I just have to chime in.

For all of you who think that Barack Obama had anything to do with this, you are fucking delirious!!!

It was our soldiers and CIA that got him, NOT OBAMA !!!

Picture is fake....

Originally Posted by megabyteme

Originally Posted by teflon05

You are making it sound like he's the victim here, & that's bullshit. I don't care if he was on chemo for cancer, he was still an active terrorist, & if you believe otherwise you have your head in the sand.

And regardless how you feel about the US military, they don't generally go out of their way to kill innocent civilians, while terrorists are just the opposite....Innocent civilians are their main target.

I'm never happy to hear someone died...But that doesn't mean he didn't deserve what he got. He was responsible for many other deaths over the years, not just the people on 9/11.

I am not making sound like a victim. He's another death (among thousands), but at least his was not entirely senseless. I'm just worn out on this. I cannot get "excited" to hear of anyone dying. I mentioed his poor health because someone else (an uninformed, earlier poster) questioned how I knew he was old (uhmmm, his birth date of 1957) and his poor health (news reports discussing his poor health and how he would be able to receive dialysis in caves). As I said, rough decade. My body aches after a weekend of camping with a tent...

I'm completely sick of this war. One does not even need to be a "conspiracy nut" to now we went in to the wrong country, and have been mowing down "terrorists" with small arms who became "terrorists" only after we invaded their country with Apache helicopters with night vision and 1000 round per second machine guns.

I ask you this, pro-war, dead Bin Laden celebrators: if another country invaded yours and flew over your homes with helicopters, and roamed your streets with armed military personnel, would you not become "terrorists" and protect your homes, and your sovereignty? I sure as fuck would.

I'll repeat: we are in the wrong country if we are hunting down those responsible for 9/11. Hint: the terrorists responsible were almost all from Saudi Arabia... As for "terrorist training camps", any of those would have been obliterated in the past decade. All we have forming are those who are now pissed off that we won't leave.

I do imagine this will be a well-celebrated day in communities with pick-up trucks, gun racks, cheap beer, and a lack of accurate, in-depth news sources. For those among us, feel free to C&P this, it will save you the misspelling: "Yeah America, we got that son of a bitch! Now Satan can punish him in Hell!!!"

I'm more or less with megabyteme on this one .Considering that the Seal team (apparently) had orders to kill not capture this is a tad closer to retribution than it is to justice.

Also of profound irony and fuel for endless conspiracy theories.

.... body was loaded on to one of the helicopters and taken from the scene. US officials later confirmed he had been buried at sea, mindful of the Islamic imperative for a speedy burial. The location was not revealed. "We don't want a bunch of people going to the shrine forever," an official told the Washington Post.

Btw I'm going with captured and walled up someplace in attempt to wring whatever intelligence he might still possess out of him.

@Anyone in General(Just Curious of Ideas)


So, we're worried about offending a group of people (Muslims), instead of having some physical proof that terrorist is dead? Is that why he was buried per Islamic code. (I'm pretty sure they were more offended by the acts going on at Gitmo.) Terrorists and Muslims are separate groups of people, anyways. And I believe the rest of the Muslims(the non radicals), they are probably just as happy as the rest of the world. He was a discredit to the religion and the culture. He created a stigma against Muslims around the world. I'm pretty sure they felt it was time for him to go. Not to mention one can easily locate pictures of Sadaam Hussein's corpse who was a devout Sunni Muslim.

I mean Obama stated tonight

Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader. He was a mass murderer of Muslims.

So why is the body of a mass murderer of Muslims being handled in accordance with Islamic tradition?

Cut-Copy-Paste, please don't insult me by calling me brainless and then proceed with a conspiracy theory

godofhell, if somehow they had failed to take him down, you would have blamed Obama.

wow. i cant believe there are this many crack pot conspiracy theories floating around on this forum. but hey, if it makes your dumbasses feel like a psuedo-intellectual, "well-informed" citizen, more power to you. im sure you need the validation.

megabytene: "I'll repeat: we are in the wrong country if we are hunting down those responsible for 9/11. "

You just showed how ignorant you are. Let's make this an analogy maybe even your brain can understand... suppose someone breaks into your house (steals a plane), shoots your wife (kills the pilots), points a gun at your children (hold passengers hostage), and then proceeds to blow up your house (eh, make the connection yet?). You're saying the police (US Gov't) should not even try to find the people that made them do it? Maybe you believe in the ridiculous conspiracy theories, but I guarantee your family would want revenge... or maybe not, seeing as who you really are underneath, maybe you're the terrorist!

Or, maybe you are right.. all crime should go unpunished! Let's let the terrorists have free reign across our country, take away all the no-fly lists and let them bring lighters and bombs on planes...

Originally Posted by megabyteme

Originally Posted by teflon05

You are making it sound like he's the victim here, & that's bullshit. I don't care if he was on chemo for cancer, he was still an active terrorist, & if you believe otherwise you have your head in the sand.

And regardless how you feel about the US military, they don't generally go out of their way to kill innocent civilians, while terrorists are just the opposite....Innocent civilians are their main target.

I'm never happy to hear someone died...But that doesn't mean he didn't deserve what he got. He was responsible for many other deaths over the years, not just the people on 9/11.

I am not making sound like a victim. He's another death (among thousands), but at least his was not entirely senseless. I'm just worn out on this. I cannot get "excited" to hear of anyone dying. I mentioed his poor health because someone else (an uninformed, earlier poster) questioned how I knew he was old (uhmmm, his birth date of 1957) and his poor health (news reports discussing his poor health and how he would be able to receive dialysis in caves). As I said, rough decade. My body aches after a weekend of camping with a tent...

I'm completely sick of this war. One does not even need to be a "conspiracy nut" to now we went in to the wrong country, and have been mowing down "terrorists" with small arms who became "terrorists" only after we invaded their country with Apache helicopters with night vision and 1000 round per second machine guns.

I ask you this, pro-war, dead Bin Laden celebrators: if another country invaded yours and flew over your homes with helicopters, and roamed your streets with armed military personnel, would you not become "terrorists" and protect your homes, and your sovereignty? I sure as fuck would.

I'll repeat: we are in the wrong country if we are hunting down those responsible for 9/11. Hint: the terrorists responsible were almost all from Saudi Arabia... As for "terrorist training camps", any of those would have been obliterated in the past decade. All we have forming are those who are now pissed off that we won't leave.

I do imagine this will be a well-celebrated day in communities with pick-up trucks, gun racks, cheap beer, and a lack of accurate, in-depth news sources. For those among us, feel free to C&P this, it will save you the misspelling: "Yeah America, we got that son of a bitch! Now Satan can punish him in Hell!!!"

You do realize that your over-generalizations and stereotypes are just as bad as the people you are stereotyping right?

You show your own ignorance and hypocrisy by bashing others for something you do yourself.

BTW my last comment has nothing to do with your thoughts about the war in Iraq or any other political or socio-economical views you may have. It simply comments on your hypocrisy.

Minutes after Obama finished his speech, the cameras showed a group of people out in front of the White House waving flags. Where does one get a full sized American flag on a six foot steel pole at midnight in the nations Capital. Most of the flags I saw were full or near full sized which seemed awful fishy too me, as if the White House ordered all its employees working that night to grab a flag and go outside and wave it.
Then this morning its revealed that they know its Osama from DNA. What? You can't do a DNA test in a few hours! Finally they say he was buried at sea, gee how convenient. This whole thing stinks of some dastardly plan by the powers to be. Then I realized what probably really happened. It came to me after they said no Americans were hurt and that one helicopter was shot down. If a helicopter were really shot down there would likely be injured Americans and what better way to explain one less helicopter came back to the ship, than to say it was shot down. It's more likely the lost helicopter had the real Osama on it, alive and ready for information extraction. He was probably taken somewhere secret. Wouldn't you think he could supply some good intel if pressured properly? I had to laugh when someone at the White House or Military said they buried him at sea to prevent any conspiracy theories. What? For gods sakes that's the way you start a conspiracy not prevent it.
I haven't trusted this corrupt Government for some time now. I don't think this story is going to hold water, and it's certainly not going to bring back my trust. So you say you got Osama, well how about doing something about the oil prices or cable TV mini monopolies and phone fee corruption now HUH? Fix that which robs our pocket books and we can pay more taxes.

r.i.p

First off, I apologize to any war-mongering, propaganda biting, true believers I may have offended. The government thanks you for your blind faith, and perseverance regardless of any facts that may have surfaced that derail the entire stated intent of the war.

Second, I never said we should not pursue justice, but a quick glance at the hi-jacker guest list will reveal that none of the terrorists were connected to Afghanistan.

Yes, pursue your enemies to the ends of the earth, kill thousands surrounding the countryside, however- PLEASE AT LEAST GET THE COUNTRY CORRECT WHEN FOLLOWING YOUR BLOOD LUST.

Originally Posted by Appzalien

Minutes after Obama finished his speech, the cameras showed a group of people out in front of the White House waving flags. Where does one get a full sized American flag on a six foot steel pole at midnight in the nations Capital. Most of the flags I saw were full or near full sized which seemed awful fishy too me, as if the White House ordered all its employees working that night to grab a flag and go outside and wave it.
Then this morning its revealed that they know its Osama from DNA. What? You can't do a DNA test in a few hours! Finally they say he was buried at sea, gee how convenient. This whole thing stinks of some dastardly plan by the powers to be. Then I realized what probably really happened. It came to me after they said no Americans were hurt and that one helicopter was shot down. If a helicopter were really shot down there would likely be injured Americans and what better way to explain one less helicopter came back to the ship, than to say it was shot down. It's more likely the lost helicopter had the real Osama on it, alive and ready for information extraction. He was probably taken somewhere secret. Wouldn't you think he could supply some good intel if pressured properly? I had to laugh when someone at the White House or Military said they buried him at sea to prevent any conspiracy theories. What? For gods sakes that's the way you start a conspiracy not prevent it.
I haven't trusted this corrupt Government for some time now. I don't think this story is going to hold water, and it's certainly not going to bring back my trust. So you say you got Osama, well how about doing something about the oil prices or cable TV mini monopolies and phone fee corruption now HUH? Fix that which robs our pocket books and we can pay more taxes.

My feelings exactly. I was saying, "Where is the visual proof?" when Obama said that we had killed him. When we killed Saddam's 2 sons Uday and Qusay, you saw visual proof almost immediately from the initial news reporting of it. Then I hear today that they buried the body at sea, wtf. They were saying all over the news that the Arab countries are not going to believe it unless they see visual proof and they conviently toss the body overboard at sea!! As it stands now, I can't say I believe the report as is. I also had a similar hypothesis to what you presented. To me it makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by Appzalien

Minutes after Obama finished his speech, the cameras showed a group of people out in front of the White House waving flags. Where does one get a full sized American flag on a six foot steel pole at midnight in the nations Capital. Most of the flags I saw were full or near full sized which seemed awful fishy too me, as if the White House ordered all its employees working that night to grab a flag and go outside and wave it.
Then this morning its revealed that they know its Osama from DNA. What? You can't do a DNA test in a few hours! Finally they say he was buried at sea, gee how convenient. This whole thing stinks of some dastardly plan by the powers to be. Then I realized what probably really happened. It came to me after they said no Americans were hurt and that one helicopter was shot down. If a helicopter were really shot down there would likely be injured Americans and what better way to explain one less helicopter came back to the ship, than to say it was shot down. It's more likely the lost helicopter had the real Osama on it, alive and ready for information extraction. He was probably taken somewhere secret. Wouldn't you think he could supply some good intel if pressured properly? I had to laugh when someone at the White House or Military said they buried him at sea to prevent any conspiracy theories. What? For gods sakes that's the way you start a conspiracy not prevent it.
I haven't trusted this corrupt Government for some time now. I don't think this story is going to hold water, and it's certainly not going to bring back my trust. So you say you got Osama, well how about doing something about the oil prices or cable TV mini monopolies and phone fee corruption now HUH? Fix that which robs our pocket books and we can pay more taxes.

case in point for my previous comment.
i mean, really? one of your arguments is that the celebration must have been staged because you cant but a flag that late... IN THE CAPITAL ON ONE THE BIGGEST PATRIOTIC CELEBRATIONS IN DECADES?!

His death doesn't mean anything, he's already made his long lasting impact on multiple states' domestic and international policies. Not only that, he has already made it easier for citizens of multiple states to allow themselves to be subjugated (more than before) by their policymakers. Let's pretend all of the idiots out there that still suffer from irrational fear of terrorist attacks have now relaxed, the policies will remain intact. The response to attacks he's orchestrated have done far more damage than he ever did directly, but that's the point. Whether or not he has accomplished his original goals with this, I don't know... but I'm more disappointed in the society that reacted in a manner detriment to actual liberty. I would feel a little more joy to find all those American idiots being reported dead (anti-arabites, nationalist fools, sheep in general).

lots of terrorist sympathizers on this board.

Originally Posted by godofhell

I just have to chime in.

For all of you who think that Barack Obama had anything to do with this, you are fucking delirious!!!

It was our soldiers and CIA that got him, NOT OBAMA !!!

There were some advisors who wanted an airstrike, which even if successful, would not have yeilded DNA evidence, nor the abundance of intel that the Seals brought home which is being scrutinized by Intelligence as we speak, not to mention it could have easily failed.

There were other advisors who thought Pakistani intel should be alerted, which most likely would have led to a backstabbing tip-off - it had happened in the past.

Obama, AS Commander in Chief, chose this option, risking humiliation of a failed ground assault like under Carter with the hostages in Iran. Obama TOOK that ALL political risks and ORDERED the operation.

So, who exactly is delusional?

BTW - George Bush, after losing Bin Laden in Tora Bora, stated that he didn't really care about Bin Laden (nice for the victims)... that he wasn't a priority. This is while he was making up the WMD bullshit snowjob on all Americans so he could take his eye off the ball with Bin Laden and start a totally senseless new war in Iraq.

BTW x2 - 9/11 happened on Bush's watch, while Condie, Rummie, and all the other dumbasses decided to ignore the memo which clearly stated that an attack was imminent.

So, let me be so bold as to say that Obama had EVERYTHING to do with this mission, and I will go further to rate both presidents (post 9/11) based on their RESULTS.

BUSH - F OBAMA - A+

Originally Posted by mjmacky

His death doesn't mean anything, he's already made his long lasting impact on multiple states' domestic and international policies. Not only that, he has already made it easier for citizens of multiple states to allow themselves to be subjugated (more than before) by their policymakers. Let's pretend all of the idiots out there that still suffer from irrational fear of terrorist attacks have now relaxed, the policies will remain intact. The response to attacks he's orchestrated have done far more damage than he ever did directly, but that's the point. Whether or not he has accomplished his original goals with this, I don't know... but I'm more disappointed in the society that reacted in a manner detriment to actual liberty. I would feel a little more joy to find all those American idiots being reported dead (anti-arabites, nationalist fools, sheep in general).

I'm with you, macky, up to the parts I crossed out. I still respect our soldiers (the vast majority, anyway) who are doing what they agreed to do, and no longer have a choice. My wife has young, poor, family members who have joined (most likely due to uncertain times, and their ages), and have either been to the Hell-holes, or are being sent to them- this has been difficult on much of her family.

Yes, beyond the senseless loss of lives, we have had rights stamped out (for our own good ), and have lived in a climate of fear- one created by our own government(s) for the past decade.

I fail to see how, by not celebrating the death of yet another human (can I see some video footage of his trial, please?), I am somehow a "terrorist supporter". Justice (you know, that Constitution thing you most likely talk about at least 4 times a day) involves a fair trial. It does not include executions, nor trial by television, nor Presidential decree.

Originally Posted by eyekey

lots of terrorist sympathizers on this board.

If that's all you take from questioning the situation then the board apparently contains at least one idiot as well .

As for the conspiracy theories I believe Appzalien made some very good points and even if the (supposed) biggest brain-trust in the world failed to see the possible ramifications in not providing definitive proof ( highly-classified hyperspectral imager and the words of a conveniently mortally wounded female human shield .Like no one had a iPhone on him ) then are they honestly silly enough to believe that treating the body respectfully after you have put a couple of bullets in it is going to make a whit of difference to any of the fanatical,retribution seeking Muslims out there?

Not being either fanatical or Muslim I can't say with certainty but the lead in the head seems to be a trifling more off-putting than whether or not some Christian clergyman was ordered into insincerely speaking a few words over the body before they feed it to the guppies.
As for the large American flags popping up immediately thereafter , the true shocker for me would be to find anything in politics that isn't staged these days.

An eye for an eye. How it should be.

Whats more important: Did Osama really have some Weopon of Mass Destruction on him? I mean those which he appearantly stole from Saddam...