Ethnicity in the BT world

You know, something has always bothered me. Having spent an entire year immersed in this community, as well as spending some time moderating and running my own site, there is one thing I cannot put my finger on. It seems as if non-English speaking members of the community are more prone to trading, scamming, and ratio cheating.

Now, that is a broad statement, so let me refine it a bit. When I say non-English speakers, I mean people who may speak enough English to get by, but it clearly isn't their first language. Countries such as Israel, Egypt, Estonia, Romania, and several other middle eastern or eastern European countries are prime examples of this. Many of these countries have been IP banned from trackers altogether because of this generalization, so its an interesting thing to look at.

Is it because people from these areas of the world are more likely to leave morals at the door when on the internet? Or have we just gotten a bad group of people from these countries (and no others)? Also, is it just a coincidence, or is there also a lot of cyber crime in these areas in general (phishing, scamming, spyware, spam)? Perhaps it is a little deeper than that, but I'd like to know what you guys think.

Actually, i think it's their inablility to understang english itself and not heeding when someone tells them that trading's bad, I have no qualms since effectively English is my first language(i learnt my mother tongue After english, grew up in scotland XD), and i have no doubt i'm right, taking all my friends as an example i've seen frustratingly low levels of their ability to converse in english for even the simplest things,.

As for the Cyber Crime stuff, believe me it's just a case of some "evolved" people in a group of ignorant Neanderthals(technology know how wise). People here are just easier to take advantage of...
So that was the indian side of the story(i think)
P.S.- a guy i know just asked me if i had the "Pentium 5" yet, talk about living in the past...
P.P.S.- People here don't know what a GPU is, since most of em are on onboard(they don't know what that is either...)

Hope i cleared it up a bit for you!

I think part of the problem, and i do not mean any disrepect to anyone, but in some cultures, it is rude not to haggle when you buy something, so they bring that into the torrent world with them.

Trading = Haggling for the best site
Cheating = Haggling for the best ratio (not really i suppose, but i cant see many sysops asking,)

"OK, Where do you want the cut off point to be"
"0.1",
"nah, how about 0.8",
"0.5",
"0.7 take it or leave it".

I do think most understand exactly what it going on, surely Cheating is wrong full stop, wherever in the world you are, and trading, surely someone has said something on their local forums that trading is bad (not that most take any notice, but then thats my point)

I agree with stoi on this one, especially when considering some African countries. I wouldn't say that for Romania, etc. There it's more of a language barrier issue, like harshy said, but it's not what the OP asked, right?

Or it could be just the mentality that nothing is free (capitalism will do that to you :()

When you take a closer look you'll see that countries from where the most online fraud originate are also IP range banned on many trackers.

These countries are indeed all non english speaking.

On the other hand amongst countries where the least internet fraud originate are many non english ones as well.

So it's not really a matter of english being your first language.

In fact when you compare the "good" and "bad" countries you'll see, that the social and economic differences are more significant.

The top ten cheating nations all have a lower income, lower level of education and often an undemocratic or unstable political system. Eastern european and islamic countries for instance are always in the fraud stats top ten.

The good ones are all countries with a high per capita income, democratic governments and a western orientated culture and society.

yes sure its a culture thing, just look at the news any ways, people like madoff and stanford running ponzi schemes from continent of africa, cheating people to the tune of billions, look at firms like AIG( AFRICAN INSURANCE GROUP) in a socialist economy of africa , wasted away billions without any fear since they knew they will get 150 billion dollars in state help for free. if only this companies where in free and capitalist economy of usa and all other english speaking countries, what example they set for their culture, cheating and getting everything for free!! damm this socalist countries!!

Please note that there are only 5 English speaking countries in this world; USA Canada, GB, Aus. NZ. So the chance of cheat coming from 'others' is statistically more.

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Originally Posted by TP635

Please note that there are only 5 English speaking countries in this world; USA Canada, GB, Aus. NZ. So the chance of cheat coming from 'others' is statistically more.

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Just off the top of my head you forgot about S Africa, Singapore, and Jamaica.


There are tons of officially English speaking countries, although I guess alot of them are pretty small/ are third world : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...icial_language

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Originally Posted by TP635

Please note that there are only 5 English speaking countries in this world; USA Canada, GB, Aus. NZ. So the chance of cheat coming from 'others' is statistically more.

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Just off the top of my head you forgot about S Africa, Singapore, and Jamaica.


There are tons of officially English speaking countries, although I guess alot of them are pretty small/ are third world : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...icial_language

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I know what you mean, most Commonwealth countries have English as one of its Official language. That does not make English the mother tongue of the people.

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Originally Posted by stoi

i think part of the problem, and i do not mean any disrepect to anyone, but in some cultures, it is rude not to haggle when you buy something

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