America's Reasons

These events have all happened to american's, other country's should understand the reason's america is attacking terrorists finally. We have waited for well over enough time. Its time to destroy all terrorists america can get there hands on..

Here are a few of the reasons why america is attacking some countrys in the middle-east that support terrorists....


1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

2. In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

3. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

4. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered in his wheelchair and thrown overboard by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered (and his body tossed to the tarmac) by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was blown up in flight via a bomb planted by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

9. In 1996, nineteen American servicemen died when Khobar Towers was bombed by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

10. In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

11. On October 12, 2000, seventeen sailors died when the USS Cole was bombed by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

12. On September 11,2001 four U.S. airliners were hijacked and thousands of people were murdered by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by Muslim Males males mostly between the ages of 17-40.

This is the reason many American's are greatly offened when other country's say America should not attack the middle-eastern countrys that support terrorism.

all of this was completely unprovoked, of course, because america is just in the business of minding its own business. poor widdle innocent us, why can't the baddies just leave us alone? WAH WAH FRICKIN WAH.

If America minded its own bussiness the world would be in chaos until other countrys decided to either....A: Take out terrorists in there countrys....or B: Closed all borders and Trade Routes resulting in years of War to get food and money from other countrys

you have a very weak grasp of how the pieces all fit together, don't you? and of the motivations that drive politics?

No,...the fighting wont stop....and if america went away....it would affect nearly every country...Making them losing billions of dollars etc....The world needs amercia to stay alive.

Here's some pics i wanted to show...

http://www.nzz.ch/bilder/dossiers/20..._indexbild.jpghttp://www.klauswilleke.de/Aerial_Wo..._Explosion.jpg
http://www.september11-tribute.org/i...ane_091101.jpg

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/whocares6.jpg

Just let the American blow up all their KIND :devil: :devil:

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Originally posted by adthomp@17 June 2003 - 00:40
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:( ........American's..but ur Australian

that not what i metn DB I ment Go the americans and who gives a f*ck about Arabs or the Iraqis

@DarkBlizzard

Why dont you look into what happened on 9/11 1973 in Chile? The US has committed terrorist acts of this nature for years.

How does toppling a democratically elected Gvt, and installing a dictator who then goes on to kill thousands of his own people fit into your world view of the USA being an innocent victim?

Open your eyes and you will see why the foreign policy of the US has created so much hatred. If the only people who were killed in the trade centre were former US Presidents who organised these terrorist actions it would have been natural justice.

But no... the US politicians create the hatred and the US citizens die for it. The sooner you and the rest of your nation grasp that simple fact and hold your leaders accountable the better.

The president's dont really know about all the operations until they are already carried out...The Generals carry them out because they belief it is nessecary at the moment. Example...right now General Tommy Franks is in control of US Forces in Iraq.

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The president's dont really know about all the operations until they are already carried out...The Generals carry them out because they belief it is nessecary at the moment. Example...right now General Tommy Franks is in control of US Forces in Iraq.

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You must be joking? America is not some 3rd world country where the military just go off and do their own thing, and if you think toppling the democratically elected Gvt of Chile and installing a homicidal dictator was a one off your mistaken.

How can you describe that as what "the Generals" believe is necessary? If it were a Communist Gvt they toppled I could almost see your point. But these are democratically elected Gvts so there is NO justification.

If you really want to know the causes of terrorism and anti-US sentiment this is the sort of stuff you need to look into. Don't keep on returning to the Trade Centre attack as a justification for invading any country you please. Especially when there is no proven link between that country and the attack.

Afghanistan was the exception to this and thats why all the Western world supported the USA in that area, although it seems most Americans I speak to have conveniently forgotten about that.

can you say politics, dady's mistacke and oil??

Anyone got a list of the IRA's activities they can post?

Then tell Darkblizzard who funded them....


THEN point out that UK didnt drop fucking bombs on Irish Republic's towns and cities.


.............because the IRA are INDIVIDUALS, not a fucking country.

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Originally posted by Rat Faced@17 June 2003 - 07:47
Anyone got a list of the IRA's activities they can post?

Then tell Darkblizzard who funded them....


THEN point out that UK didnt drop fucking bombs on Irish Republic's towns and cities.


.............because the IRA are INDIVIDUALS, not a fucking country.

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Well just recently in Northern Ireland one of the biggest bombs ever found here was intercepted in Londonderry i think it was.
It is thought the IRA or the Continuity IRA were responsible for the transportation of the bomb.
Some Americans hold fund-raising "evenings" in which to raise money for the CIRA.
I saw a program on it once.

Almost laughable....but people get killed.
That aint funny

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Some Americans hold fund-raising "evenings" in which to raise money for the CIRA.
I saw a program on it once.

Almost laughable....but people get killed.
That aint funny

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On the contrary, the Americans must find us Brits very funny. They bombed us in peace time by providing funds for the IRA for over 30 years, then they bombed us when we helped them in Iraq. Twice.

With allies like that who needs enemies? It does raise a good point about 'smart' weapons though, i.e they're only as smart as the weekend warrior who's firing them. It makes you think...how come we never 'accidentally' drop bombs on them?

Perhaps its a conspiracy to keep the UK population under control? What with 60 million people on this little island it is getting a little crowded.

Oh I'm sorry we're being Anti-American again arent we? Naughty us. Lets have a go at the French, thats acceptable and completely different. It'll keep us busy till the next time the US needs us for target practice anyway.

Inept, romantic expatriotism is, to a large extent, responsible for a lot of the funding that the IRA and similar factions have received over the years.
They have also been funded by the PLO, Cuba and South American drug lords. There has been recent alledged IRA (I won't wade into the alphabet soup) activity in Columbia and other South American countries considered ill at ease on the world stage.
The network of cash and arms being constantly applied to paramilitaries is a symptom of a much greater global unrest.
This is nothing new. Terrorists, being by nature pariahs, tend to habour sympathetic politics.
The UVF have been linked to the National Front and BNP.
Racketeering will only go so far if you're intent on creating as many corpses as possible. Other avenues must be explored if the war machine needs to be oiled.
USA's policy of stirring up the Middle East has been ongoing for decades.
It was a long term solution which is only now coming to fruition. I refer to America and Britains' insertion of an evil dictator in Iraq, the ensuing Iraq/Iran conflict, engineered and sustained by the CIA.
I won't even mention the recent barbarity as I'm still nauseous from it.

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Originally posted by evilbagpuss@17 June 2003 - 03:18

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Some Americans hold fund-raising "evenings" in which to raise money for the CIRA.
I saw a program on it once.

Almost laughable....but people get killed.
That aint funny

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On the contrary, the Americans must find us Brits very funny. They bombed us in peace time by providing funds for the IRA for over 30 years, then they bombed us when we helped them in Iraq. Twice.

With allies like that who needs enemies? It does raise a good point about 'smart' weapons though, i.e they're only as smart as the weekend warrior who's firing them. It makes you think...how come we never 'accidentally' drop bombs on them?

Perhaps its a conspiracy to keep the UK population under control? What with 60 million people on this little island it is getting a little crowded.

Oh I'm sorry we're being Anti-American again arent we? Naughty us. Lets have a go at the French, thats acceptable and completely different. It'll keep us busy till the next time the US needs us for target practice anyway.

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Brits wish to keep a strong allie ( USA ) so thats why they dont 'accidently' drop a bomb on america...anyway...i dont really see any reason for them flying over the USA and accidently dropping a bomb..( well maybe if they are flying to a USA air base or something) but if a plane drops a bomb its gonna get shot down right when it does it no matter what country its from.

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Originally posted by evilbagpuss@17 June 2003 - 08:18


On the contrary, the Americans must find us Brits very funny. They bombed us in peace time by providing funds for the IRA for over 30 years, then they bombed us when we helped them in Iraq. Twice.

With allies like that who needs enemies? It does raise a good point about 'smart' weapons though, i.e they're only as smart as the weekend warrior who's firing them. It makes you think...how come we never 'accidentally' drop bombs on them?

Perhaps its a conspiracy to keep the UK population under control? What with 60 million people on this little island it is getting a little crowded.

Oh I'm sorry we're being Anti-American again arent we? Naughty us. Lets have a go at the French, thats acceptable and completely different. It'll keep us busy till the next time the US needs us for target practice anyway.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly.

We cant speak out against the Americans.....too naughty as you say...

The people of my country have suffered 30 years of a civil war (this could be debated endlessley....) and violence, and as you say the Americans have contributed to this because of their fund raising. For terrorists. For killers, murderers and drug dealers.

And they're still doing it !!

Or maybe they have stopped their raising of funds for the "Irish Nationalists", or the ones that are for "irish independance", im not sure quite how they put it.
I think a lot of them put it down to their "irish ancestory" - call themselves "Irish americans" - now thats, funny.

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Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats+17 June 2003 - 03:25--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (crazy_billy_bats @ 17 June 2003 - 03:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-evilbagpuss@17 June 2003 - 08:18


On the contrary, the Americans must find us Brits very funny. They bombed us in peace time by providing funds for the IRA for over 30 years, then they bombed us when we helped them in Iraq. Twice.

With allies like that who needs enemies? It does raise a good point about &#39;smart&#39; weapons though, i.e they&#39;re only as smart as the weekend warrior who&#39;s firing them. It makes you think...how come we never &#39;accidentally&#39; drop bombs on them?

Perhaps its a conspiracy to keep the UK population under control? What with 60 million people on this little island it is getting a little crowded.

Oh I&#39;m sorry we&#39;re being Anti-American again arent we? Naughty us. Lets have a go at the French, thats acceptable and completely different. It&#39;ll keep us busy till the next time the US needs us for target practice anyway.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly.

We cant speak out against the Americans.....too naughty as you say...

The people of my country have suffered 30 years of a civil war (this could be debated endlessley....) and violence, and as you say the Americans have contributed to this because of their fund raising. For terrorists. For killers, murderers and drug dealers.

And they&#39;re still doing it &#33;&#33;

Or maybe they have stopped their raising of funds for the "Irish Nationalists", or the ones that are for "irish independance", im not sure quite how they put it.
I think a lot of them put it down to their "irish ancestory" - call themselves "Irish americans" - now thats, funny. [/b][/quote]
who in america funds for it?.....The America Government Directly?

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Originally posted by DarkBlizzard@17 June 2003 - 08:28

who in america funds for it?.....The America Government Directly?

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Im not sure.

Normal people, business men, etc, which im sure have several ties to the government.

But i doubt directly from the government.

That doesnt deny the fact that Americans are funding terrorists here.

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who in america funds for it?.....The America Government Directly?

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No its a minority of Irish Americans. The point is that it doesnt take 30 years to put a stop to it.

If we allowed Al-Queda to fund raise for that length of time we&#39;d be invaded by year 5.

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anyway...i dont really see any reason for them flying over the USA and accidently dropping a bomb..( well maybe if they are flying to a USA air base or something)

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Wow, there must be a good 50 feet of air in between your head and the point I was making. I wasnt referring to the US dropping bombs on the UK (give it time though). I was referring to their complete incompetence in Iraq even though they have the most advanced targetting systems known to man.

My point is that we have never &#39;accidentally&#39; bombed US troops in Iraq or any other warzone where we have fought as &#39;allies&#39;.

(edited to make explicit the fact that not all Irish Americans engage in this despicable behaviour)

My family came from Ireland like 250 or so years ago and think the UK rocks

:lol: :lol: :lol: .......I really like the UK more than i do Ireland :lol: :lol:

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Originally posted by DarkBlizzard@17 June 2003 - 08:40
My family came from Ireland like 250 or so years ago and think the UK rocks

:lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol: .......I really like the UK more than i do Ireland&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:

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I must admit, you didnt harm one ounze of my feelings with that, just incase you thought you did.

Ireland is one of the most beautiful countries in the world you idiot.

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What has this to do with Americans reasons?

What age are you anyway?

And we&#39;re not all terrorists.
Although I wouldn&#39;t mind the cash.

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Originally posted by chalice@17 June 2003 - 08:46
And we&#39;re not all terrorists.
Although I wouldn&#39;t mind the cash.

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Me too....

But then again we could become a politician here and get paid for doing nowt.

Sounds better to me, and you dont have to kill anyone....

maybe u dont make as much tho

"America&#39;s Reasons, For attacking the Middle-East"&#33;?&#33;?&#33;
"muslim males" this and "muslim males" that &#33;?&#33;?&#33;
&#33;?&#33;?&#33; :angry:

Never Forget&#33;

http://www.shianews.com/snObjects/images/1491.jpg


Picture removed by Rat Faced:

You want to link to it, fine..but please dont post this type of photo. ;)

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Originally posted by DarkBlizzard@17 June 2003 - 08:40
My family came from Ireland like 250 or so years ago and think the UK rocks

:lol: :lol: :lol: .......I really like the UK more than i do Ireland :lol: :lol:

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:o I thought you were a redneck :P

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Originally posted by DarkBlizzard@17 June 2003 - 06:37
No,...the fighting wont stop....and if america went away....it would affect nearly every country...Making them losing billions of dollars etc....The world needs amercia to stay alive.

Here&#39;s some pics i wanted to show...

http://www.nzz.ch/bilder/dossiers/20..._indexbild.jpghttp://www.klauswilleke.de/Aerial_Wo..._Explosion.jpg
http://www.september11-tribute.org/i...ane_091101.jpg

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Far more innocent people died in the war on Iraq than died in the attacks on 9/11.

Both are atrocities in my opinion. If innocent civilians die then no matter what the end, the end does not justify the means.



And why isn&#39;t this in the forum specially designed for this?

I think my statistics may be a little wrong, but feel free to correct me

In the world trade centre disasters, bout 4000 people died, right?

absoloutley terrible, and my heart goes out to all those who were affected, and beleive me im not being patronizing.

but

On that same day, something like 16000 people died of hunger in 3rd world countries. Ever since hearing that statistic, whenever i see those pictures of the WTC, I dont think of revenge, I think of what a terrible place this world is becoming.

A lot of crap in this world needs to be sorted out. I have heard of American people funding the IRA in northen ireland, and i have, indirecly, felt its effects, when my step dad&#39;s hotel was bombed, and he only just made it out on time.

What I am trying to say with this post is that so much of this world needs to be sorted out, yet the politics always stand in the way. A famous person once said:

"One death is a tradegy. A thousand is a statistic"

And it sadly seems that way. All the civilian casualties in Iraq, look like a statistic. But when you think that its however many voices silenced, however many families grieving, it truly is terrible. I fully supported this war in Iraq, as I beleived saddam hussein and his evil dictatorship of Iraq should be ousted. However, now it is over and we have seen the effects, im not so sure.

It was Stalin who said " One death is a tragedy. One million deaths is a statistic"
How prophetic.

I think Americans just don&#39;t want to take crap from terrorists and such. Other countries that are used to terrorists have come to accept that as the norm, thus no real fuss or pressure to eliminate it.

There was no election by the American people. There was not an extra lever in the voting polls for the average American, to use, for attacking Iraq. The only people who decided to attack were the politicians. Yeah, yeah, people voted for them, but once the election is over, the politician can virtually decide what they choose to do, no matter what the poeple want.

I thought we had a section to discuss war &#39;Ongoing US/Coalition vs. Iraq War Discussion&#39;

Move this there.

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Originally posted by Somebody1234@17 June 2003 - 16:49
I thought we had a section to discuss war &#39;Ongoing US/Coalition vs. Iraq War Discussion&#39;

Move this there.

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Well, the war is over. And Jpaul or somebody will move this discussion there.

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Originally posted by crazy_billy_bats@17 June 2003 - 03:25
The people of my country have suffered 30 years of a civil war (this could be debated endlessley....) and violence, and as you say the Americans have contributed to this because of their fund raising. For terrorists. For killers, murderers and drug dealers.
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Yes, fund-raising for the I.R.A. does go on, and generally takes place in nice, cozy Irish pubs with certain Irish "pseudo-royalty" providing a veil of legitimacy for the activities being conducted "to support the effort back home, don&#39;cha know".

Focus on the name Kennedy for just a moment.

To blame the U.S. for these goings-on, to accuse the U.S. of sanctioning these "events" is to flaunt one&#39;s ignorance.

Sorry if you took it that way j2k4.

The thread started with "Muslim males"...not "Iraq" etc...

Was trying to point out "US Citizens" not US Government ;)



Its hard arguing with him....you have to try and sink to the logic he uses.


Next time i&#39;ll get my son to argue with him....he&#39;s 12; the logic he uses will probably be similar :P

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Originally posted by Spindulik+17 June 2003 - 17:53--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Spindulik @ 17 June 2003 - 17:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Somebody1234@17 June 2003 - 16:49
I thought we had a section to discuss war &#39;Ongoing US/Coalition vs. Iraq War Discussion&#39;

Move this there.

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Well, the war is over. And Jpaul or somebody will move this discussion there. [/b][/quote]
What does that mean ?

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To blame the U.S. for these goings-on, to accuse the U.S. of sanctioning these "events" is to flaunt one&#39;s ignorance.

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How about this then. Why doesnt the UK Gvt turn a blind eye to fund raising for Al-Queda, lets say for about 30 years? Then when you complain about it we&#39;ll argue that what happens in the UK is not the responsibility of the Gvt. :lol:

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Originally posted by Rat Faced@17 June 2003 - 12:23
Sorry if you took it that way j2k4.

The thread started with "Muslim males"...not "Iraq" etc...

Was trying to point out "US Citizens" not US Government ;)



Its hard arguing with him....you have to try and sink to the logic he uses.


Next time i&#39;ll get my son to argue with him....he&#39;s 12; the logic he uses will probably be similar :P

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No problem with you whatsoever, Rat-

I just can&#39;t understand how some (others) can continually make the mistake of allowing their tongues/fingers out so far ahead of their brains.

I learned long ago (as I believe most of us did) how to think far more quickly than I could speak; or in this case, type.

They shoot/swing/punch/kick/scratch etc. before a worthy target presents itself, then try to cover for their lack of effect by exhibiting pissy behavior.

They are ruled by their glands, I think. ;)

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Originally posted by evilbagpuss@17 June 2003 - 12:50

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To blame the U.S. for these goings-on, to accuse the U.S. of sanctioning these "events" is to flaunt one&#39;s ignorance.

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How about this then. Why doesnt the UK Gvt turn a blind eye to fund raising for Al-Queda, lets say for about 30 years? Then when you complain about it we&#39;ll argue that what happens in the UK is not the responsibility of the Gvt. :lol:

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EBP-

The degree of pure contrarianism you demonstrate continues to amaze. :o

Should you ever become P.M., we will know the end is nigh. ;)

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The degree of pure contrarianism you demonstrate continues to amaze.

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hehe, thats the 2nd time you&#39;ve used that word without explaining yourself. What was it about my post that you believed defies conventional wisdom? This is the 2nd time I&#39;ve been forced to ask you that. Any chance of an explanation or are you going to continue making irrelevant statements?

Are your implying that the US Gvt is incapable of stopping IRA fund raising that has been going on for over 3 decades? If that doesnt defy conventional wisdom I dont know what does.

I see a pattern emerging here.. when you get backed into a corner and cant defend your views you break out the thesaurus. :lol:

edited: typo