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Hi, I was wondering what is the better and safer way to go downloading things? Do you prefer downloading torrents from a private bittorrent site or newsgroups? Which private bittorrent sites and newsgroups are the best and why? I am basically looking for good speed, new and old stuff being available, willing to pay/donate money and a nice community. Thanks for all of your input.
torrents are free and usualy faster, usenet has a lot of old files but emule too and is free
Newsgroups looks crappy :
*monthly fee
*old stuff
*slow ass speed
BitTorrent looks better :
*Absolutely free, thou some brainless peopz pay for invites...:rolleyes:
*Good speed on new torrents
*Scene releases
*You can support Torrent tracker only if you want, it means you don't have to pay a cent, if you don't want...
*The very wide choice in variety of tracker from Aussie to African to Asian, you have everything...
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Originally Posted by snoopdo2g
Depends on what sort of connection you have if you ask me. If you have assymetric speeds like most of us you are better off with newsgroups - no uploading/ratio BS just download what you want when you want at max rate.
If you are lucky enough to have a symmetric fast connection at home/own server etc use private torrent, get a killer ratio and download what you want when you want.
I have a 20/1 mbit connection and use USENET mostly, but private trackers for the occasional thing i cant find on usenet/noone will post.
if security is your main concern, go with newsgroup.
if you want free download, or getting releases at the earliest time possible (10 hours early), go with private trackers.
also for some rare files you have to go with specialized trackers.
you can max out your download speed with either a premium newsgroup server or a good private tracker.
you can request in newsgroup, but not every request is filled. probably the best private trackers will do better in this regard, but i don't know for sure.
Newsgroups for the win.
Way i see it, i can pay a little more, but have loads more access to EVERYTHING and constantly MAX out my connection.
Plus, Newsgroups doesn't suck the shit out of your upload, so you can still do things whilst downloading.
Even the better thing out is still Rapidshare, Megashares and so on it's better than Newsgroups in my view, because i can compare Newsgroups to Limewire or such as emule they are slow for me...
With Rapidshare i get what i want when i want and for free since i uploaded some few things on a free account then i got premium...:D But newsgroups doesn't offer that kind of stuff, they like the money too much and advertising too much as well...
I prefer bittorrent, seeing as how it has always been faster for me. With newsgroups, you pay money. With rapidshare, you have to pay money if you want to actually download more than a few 100mb's.
Thanks for the tips everyone. I am a member of two private tracker sites right now and keeping a good ratio is no problem for me. I just have to seed a little more or else download partial popular torrents and seed those. I have a verizon internet connection at home. I can't wait to get fios speed sometime.
I perfer Bittorrent because Newsgroups usually release things as so many split files. Its so much easier to download one torrent. Also my ISP limits newsgroup usage. Well they also throttle bittorrent, but there are ways around that.
IMO, Newgroups are the way to go if you have unlimited access and don't mind so many split files.
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Most ISPs have their own newsgroup server
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I don't see how usenet can be slower when it maxes out your connection, maybe you should sign up to a good usenet provider. :whistling
Security shouldn't be your focus when it relates to either as there have been some stories out recently about anti p2p companies accessing newsgroup sites.
yes but u aren't connecting to anyone only the server, how can these anti-piracy groups be on there? is it to try and flood it with fake apps, movies etc????
I use both. Mostly Usenet, but BT for anything I can't get there.
Usenet is free with my ISP, tho' limited number of groups, so no cost implication.
Also Usenet is like BT in that even if you don't have everything just wait a day or so and it will appear on something you do have.
Newsgroups is by far the superior option between the two. Using Giganews, AltBinz and Newzbin I have 100+ days of content to download* at max speeds which downloads, fixes and extracts itself.
* As an example, Newzbin provides me with approximately 120,000 posts of content** whilst the average on my private trackers is about 10,000.
** That's new and old content. At max speed. All the time. With no need to upload.
There's no contest really.
Yes, definitely newsgroups for max speed. nzbsrus.com or nzbmatrix.com are two good sites to search usenet. Similar to torrent sites. You just download a nzb file for what you want. nzbs.org is good for searching files on usenet. If you see something you want but you only see part 101 out of 200. Just add that file to your "shopping cart" at the bottom LOL! When you're done view your cart. Then create nzb it'll create an nzb file. Which tells your newsgroup reader what files to download. Just my experience and opinion.
IDK what some you guys are talking about when it comes to Usenet. It really depends on where your get Usenet access from. My ISP gives me free unlimited Newsgroup axx and I can usually max my connection speed at non peak hours and I get binary retention for 100 days which is pretty decent. Releases all get to the newsgroups a few seconds or minutes after they pre and I never have to seed back. Only true benefits of torrents over newsgroups is that they can specialize in certain content like music, foreign films and they can have higher retention rates than certain Usenet providers. Speed and content both depend on what level of access you have.
i like newsgroups because u dont have to worry about ratio
Uhm, what? Leeching from newsgroups is absolutely untracable, except by your ISP. If an "anti P2P company" has access to a "newsgroup site" (I suppose you mean a forum like this?) you're still safe, except when you go posting stuff like your IP, your real name, and a list of crimes you committed.Quote:
Originally Posted by briand5379
depends , if you take into consideration the seeding times on torrents (24/7 ) and electricity bills
i would go with NG's :D
never checked out newsgroups as everything i want can be found on bittorrent (and its very easy to sety up)
I still use newsgroups these days but mainly for reading posts. You get quite an extensive choice but I just find BT easier and faster.
Both have pros and cons. Torrents are faster to release, usenet is faster download with no upload. Why don't you try both then you can make up you're own mind. If you limit yourself to one you will miss out.
To everyone saying there are lots of small files, small choice, slow etc. Yes that was true years ago but things are different now. Try and find a recent guide and give Usenet a go.
i believe that p2p networks are the best...With the BitTorrent client you can get up to 20 MB/s depending on your provider and contract. with news groups the speed is slower, but the pres are smaller as by p2p networks
Wrong. If you go with a good Newsgroup provider, ie: Giganews. They will max out your 20mb/s connection. It's just a matter of time before you suckers get caught with torrents and wish you switched to Usenet. I don't have to seed anything back, fast speeds ALL the time on old and new content. I can download TV series that are 200 days old at FULL speeds. I use SSL with Usenet so not even my ISP knows what I'm doing. Giganews + Newzbin + Alt.binz = all you need. There really is no contest. And if you believe torrents are better - fine, don't switch. Less media coverage and public awareness about Usenet.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiger6ex
I did torrenting for a year and it was good...
I have now been using newsgroups for a year with a private server with retention so I pay $15/mo for it.
There is one major draw back to newsgroups... the 10 500gb hard drives I have had to buy in the past year to put stuff on.
Cheers!
Well basically I am open to new methods of filesharing and I tried to get into Usenet but until now I can't really see why it is so superior. I always hear that everything is on Newsgroups, but how can I find it? Using Newzbin I often get "no results" to releases I have with torrents. It may be because I often want special content as well as often preferring my regional language over english - but if people say everything is on Usenet, I am sometimes a bit disappointed.
Perhaps I just still don't have the correct acquisition to Newsgroups, to know where to find everything, especially as I often don't have access to a good service provider to try things out. But I know very nice torrent sites, now with Usenet I tried to look for nzb files if this is a sensible way to have a large horizon and I found binaries.nl to have a pretty wide palette, however I can't see it being so much better in content over the entire scene of torrents.
My advice is get newsleecher (pay for it) and it comes with a built in search engine that goes back 200 days. Then pay for access to a newserver newshosting is $15 a month for 45 days retention, but it is actually closer to 90 days. Then go crazy and start buying harddrives.
Everything is out there on newsgroups, if it is new especially. Every torrent you download probably came from the newsgroups. Take an episode of a tv show, it takes 20 minutes to download a 1 hour episode, how long does it take on torrents? hours to days, and when the seeds fall off... forever.
You may still need torrents for some of the more obscure things, demonoid used to fill the gaps for me, long live the memory of demonoid :-(
NG's are the best because you only use up bandwidth one way.
Cheers!
just go with ddls, they use servers in germany and across europe that are highly secure and no one has got busted yet using them (ie rapidshare, megaupload, megashares, depositfiles etc.)
Well I have a Rapidshare Premium Account and if you use it in combination with FlashGet it is indeed nice. Compared to the Usenet it is a little sphere of resources but growing. That said, the access is often nice and very easy especially if you know good boards or blogs with content you like.
Still Newsleecher with SuperSearch also looks very promising, an ocean of data in very nice interface. The cool thing is it somehow reminds me of old File-Swapping programs as you can just type what you want inside the application and get results for further procedure, backed by the technology usenet.
Anyway I would never want to miss torrents, even if it was only the aspect of community, crafting with your own technology or whatever. While you often can't get as many volume as you could with other methods, torrents are very flexible, you indeed are part in the act of filesharing and in my opinion it also carries a lot of the P2P spirit, especially like here at FileSharingTalk where we can feel a cool and active torrent scene.
Usenet have the newest stuff, but some groups you have to pay. And most torrent site you don't have pay. If prefer torrents :)
BT is superior. If you're willing to pay a monthly fee then you may as well buy a seedbox and have access to more content and more variety in private trackers.
It does depend on your interests, though. My favorite sites are KG and Waffles -- Newsgroups don't approach either of those sites in terms of content or community.
However, if ArenaBG or TL is your thing, then you might be better off with NGs.
i like usenet more because i can download massive dvdr dvd9 dvd live concerts without worry for my ratio or lack of seeders or low speed .i pay $9.99/month/100 days retention its not much at all compared to seedbox price
Newsgroups offer the best speeds if you have the best services. The variety is limited but if you have knowledge of the groups you wish to acquire then u should be fine. Torrents offer much more in terms of content but they aren't faster than newsgroups when it comes to the elite services newsgroup servers offer.
If only you knew how foolish your statement was...Quote:
Originally Posted by orfik
Newsgroups don't approach those sites in terms of content?? That statement alone displays your outright inexperience and lack of knowledge.
As has been said by Cheese, newsgroups is by far the superior option between the two. Using Giganews, Newsbin, and Grabit I have 200+ days of content to download* at max speeds which downloads, fixes and extracts itself.
* As an example, Newzbin provides me with approximately 120,000 posts of content** whilst the average on my private trackers is about 10,000. Usenet search engines reveal hundreds of thousands of files available.
** That's new and old content. At max speed. All the time. With no need to upload.
There's no contest really.
I was just about to chew him out when I read your rebuttal :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkizoIf only you knew how foolish your statement was...Quote:
Originally Posted by orfik
Newsgroups don't approach those sites in terms of content?? That statement alone displays your outright inexperience and lack of knowledge.
As has been said by Cheese, newsgroups is by far the superior option between the two. Using Giganews, Newsbin, and Grabit I have 200+ days of content to download* at max speeds which downloads, fixes and extracts itself.
* As an example, Newzbin provides me with approximately 120,000 posts of content** whilst the average on my private trackers is about 10,000. Usenet search engines reveal hundreds of thousands of files available.
** That's new and old content. At max speed. All the time. With no need to upload.
There's no contest really.
Usenet is far superior in terms of content and speed. If I can't find something on bittorrent, I'm almost certain to find it on usenet.
Some people have said that private trackers are just as fast which is true, for the first few days. But I doubt you can find a 6 month old torrent as fast as usenet at 6 months old.
I'll probably stick with bittorent. Rapidshare is the new Newsgroups to me though.
newsgroups are a great way to max out your connection for very effective leeching purposes.