Your seedbox kills my ratio

That's right, your seedboxes kill my ratio. It's tough going for the little man these days.

I just uploaded a torrent on Pedro's which has gotten a lot of quick leechers. I saw that 20+ members jumped on in the first 5-10 minutes, so I should get a good amount of upload, right? Wrong.

Current stats:

27 seeders
6 leechers
1.146 ratio

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Doesn't really make us want to upload when not much is received.

Should trackers give uploaders a minimum of 2.0 or 3.0 ratio when uploading? Seems to me that uploaders should get a bit more for their troubles; at least with FLAC rips.

Yeah.. I finally gave in a got a box to build a buffer on my most used trackers because of this. :P

I think maybe an overseeding enforcement on trackers might help.. i.e. not reporting any download after the torrent has reached a 8.00 ratio for example. I dunno.

its not the seedboxes, its the users who think they just HAVE to buff up their accounts so they can hit and run later (or trade it later?)
Buffing accounts excessivly kills other peoples ratio's. Everything has to even out, so if your getting 5.00+ ratio on a torrent, theres 5 people out there with 0.
Seed, but stop the excessive buffing people! no one likes hit and runners anyway!

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Originally Posted by Tokeman

its not the seedboxes, its the users who think they just HAVE to buff up their accounts so they can hit and run later (or trade it later?)
Buffing accounts excessivly kills other peoples ratio's. Everything has to even out, so if your getting 5.00+ ratio on a torrent, theres 5 people out there with 0.
Seed, but stop the excessive buffing people! no one likes hit and runners anyway!

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I agree. I invited a member to Pedro's recently and looked at their account after some 2 days, to see the account had been buffered to almost 200GB already. :dry:

While he's obviously contributing, it harms the tracker and it's users as a whole. Cut it out, you arses.

I totally agree with you about seedboxes making normal user's lives hell (metaphorically speaking).
Perhaps the solution is that trackers limit their users' ratios/buffers. I mean, come on, there's no good reason whatsoever for anyone to have a 10+ ratio with a 50GB+ buffer.

Well I think in general it's not a big deal as long as the site does something to help with it.

TL, has a lot of leechers so seeding there is easy.

various sites use bonus points, which are nice but kinda cheap and easy to abuse.

Free leech is a great to level out ratios.

Why buy a seedbox...never pay for file sharing ;) unless you want to be an uploader I can't see the point. I find that I usually get a similar ratio on torrent's I upload. The trick is to just keep seeding it for ages then when most of the other seeds drop off you'll get some more. I have a couple going like that now that have ratios in the sixes and sevens.

I think trackers need to start enforcing some sort of overseeding rule. Something like if you reach a ratio of 2:1 then you must you must leave the torrent. But if a tracker has alot of users it is going to be hard to police, not unless they use a some sort of script.

They could use a script for that, similar to wait times, but in reverse. After >2.0 ratio on a finished download, the tracker could stop recording data from that user. This way they could still be 'helping' but are not recieving a huge buffer for doing it.

Also, I think this idea is only good for well seeded torrents. Torrents with <~5 seeders or so should be left alone, some one has to seed 'em!

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Originally Posted by thejosher

Yeah.. I finally gave in a got a box to build a buffer on my most used trackers because of this. :P

I think maybe an overseeding enforcement on trackers might help.. i.e. not reporting any download after the torrent has reached a 8.00 ratio for example. I dunno.

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Originally Posted by thejosher

Well I think in general it's not a big deal as long as the site does something to help with it.

TL, has a lot of leechers so seeding there is easy.

various sites use bonus points, which are nice but kinda cheap and easy to abuse.

Free leech is a great to level out ratios.

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Originally Posted by thejosher

I got an 11.xxx and 12.xxx ratio on bitmetv and ftn respectively on this last ep :)

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You're young, so I won't point out the obvious inconsistencies.

I agree also on seedboxes but that is not problem if sites like TL,Bitsoup,ST,RevTT and few others have over 40,50K members but the problem is when site like S******,SCT,.. that have no more than 18K so its impossible to seed at least to 1:1 or more..if these site have more member then there will be no problem..

well i have no problem on s**** oday/mp3 is great help..so i can and most there can no have good ratio also:)

Skizo, was the .torrent you uploaded personal content you created? or was it something you got somewhere else? Maybe they could have done the same thing and just jumped from leeching to seeding in 2 secs.

i need a seedbox too. I got ca$h in my paypal, pm me if ur willing to share if I pay you.

You don't complain about the seedboxes when you get those amazing speeds on sites? And to the guy talking about paying for filesharing? Come on. Boxes are just another tool. Like the bigger HDDs you buy to download with or the faster ISP line. Or all the blank DVDs to store the stuff.

People who say they don't pay for filesharing are the same guys who say they don't pay for sex. Guess what? One way or another...you pay.

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Originally Posted by thejosher

Yeah.. I finally gave in a got a box to build a buffer on my most used trackers because of this. :P

I think maybe an overseeding enforcement on trackers might help.. i.e. not reporting any download after the torrent has reached a 8.00 ratio for example. I dunno.

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There are some mods out there targeted at seed boxes. Its of course up to the site to use them.

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Originally Posted by psxcite

You don't complain about the seedboxes when you get those amazing speeds on sites?

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Well said..

yup seedboxes are obstacles to higher ratio, or is not having seedbox an obstacle?

i am looking for a tracker that does not allow seedbox :rolleyes:


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Originally Posted by psxcite

You don't complain about the seedboxes when you get those amazing speeds on sites? And to the guy talking about paying for filesharing? Come on. Boxes are just another tool. Like the bigger HDDs you buy to download with or the faster ISP line. Or all the blank DVDs to store the stuff.

People who say they don't pay for filesharing are the same guys who say they don't pay for sex. Guess what? One way or another...you pay.

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+1

overseeding is and will be the biggest problem for trackers. it's a vicious circle.

overseeded - no leecher - more overseeded - less leecher...

many trackers don't realise, that leecher are more important than high buffers.

a good tracker user should have a ration close to 1:1.

ridicoulous high ratios hurt the tracker. some people will never understand this.

I like iPlay's point of view about overseeding:

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Give others a chance to seed. If your ratio on a single torrent is already above 2.0, you should give others the chance to seed too. Overseeding will only make it hard or even impossible for others to keep a good ratio.

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Everybody likes to have a nice ratio and jump to the next user class, and sometimes we just abuse it by overseeding. But we all should think about this quote while overseeding. (besides, there's really no need to have a huge buffer since most places won't allow you to h&r... well, unless your aiming for a future trade :/

its hard to say, some people have high connection speeds and others have slow speeds ...i mean really slow ..:P people with high speeds upload a lot which gives users the ability to download faster ...look if no one had fast speeds, you guys would complain that the speeds are crap ...basically users with slow crap speeds try to leave your PC on 24/7 and eventually you'll keep a good ratio ..OR GET FASTER connection. Remember you get what you pay for ..some people are just too cheap to spend money on a better ISP thats all ... i do understand that some people cant really afford it or whatever the reason is but users with high speeds do indeed contribute a lot in the bittorrent world....

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Originally Posted by kaffeine

I like iPlay's point of view about overseeding:

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Give others a chance to seed. If your ratio on a single torrent is already above 2.0, you should give others the chance to seed too. Overseeding will only make it hard or even impossible for others to keep a good ratio.

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Everybody likes to have a nice ratio and jump to the next user class, and sometimes we just abuse it by overseeding. But we all should think about this quote while overseeding. (besides, there's really no need to have a huge buffer since most places won't allow you to h&r... well, unless your aiming for a future trade :/

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another big tracker has the same rule - nobody cares about it.
buffers are worthless with a hit and run rule.
that's another thing many people don't get.

people buffer accounts for invites and for trading.
they don't do it because they want to dl more.

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Originally Posted by Polarbear

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Originally Posted by kaffeine

I like iPlay's point of view about overseeding:
Everybody likes to have a nice ratio and jump to the next user class, and sometimes we just abuse it by overseeding. But we all should think about this quote while overseeding. (besides, there's really no need to have a huge buffer since most places won't allow you to h&r... well, unless your aiming for a future trade :/

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another big tracker has the same rule - nobody cares about it.
buffers are worthless with a hit and run rule.
that's another thing many people don't get.

people buffer accounts for invites and for trading.
they don't do it because they want to dl more.

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hey dude my buffer on czone is pretty high ..and its not hard ..i dont do it for trading at all .. i do it cuz it helps people get the files faster ...everyone hates waiting ages for a file they want ... :D Also if no one had good speeds on a tracker .. this bittorrent thing would go down the drain ...

PS: You get what you pay for !

there are always fors and pros for seedboxes
fors, if u are a downloader, u get it very fast

pros, damage people lifes (torrent life i mean)
so it has to be balanced
i guess i dont want to download a movie in 10 hours cuz the uploaders are at very low speeds
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it is confusing,
but normally people get seedboxes just to get something more than the material they download
i assure u that there are people who just download stuff just to build ratio, they never use it. (i do that sometimes)

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Originally Posted by Skizo

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Originally Posted by Tokeman

its not the seedboxes, its the users who think they just HAVE to buff up their accounts so they can hit and run later (or trade it later?)
Buffing accounts excessivly kills other peoples ratio's. Everything has to even out, so if your getting 5.00+ ratio on a torrent, theres 5 people out there with 0.
Seed, but stop the excessive buffing people! no one likes hit and runners anyway!

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I agree. I invited a member to Pedro's recently and looked at their account after some 2 days, to see the account had been buffered to almost 200GB already. :dry:

While he's obviously contributing, it harms the tracker and it's users as a whole. Cut it out, you arses.

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but seedboxes help people getting the files faster, which is also important
i personnaly don't like leeching something for 5 days

the worst thing of all is buffering an account with "drinks on me" torrent on e***o, where you eat up the uploader ratio...!

except this case, i don't see anything bad using seedboxes if not done excessively, it's a great help for any site

next time you want to upload something in pedro's, i'll let you use my box if you want ;)

I agree people should not over seed by 10x the file size if one a person has given double then give others a chance as well the only problems i see could would be that speed could be effected but i can't see harm in that if there is 20+ seeders on the torrent

I can't see why people would need 200 gig + extra uploaded for what when they hardly download anything in the first place it's not as if they are going to plan a mass leech atack and take every thing the site has

sometimes i just over-seed cause theres a lot of leechers and some people seriously have shit connection and cant upload for beans..leaving all the leechers struggling behind for days or even weeks which is kinda lame.

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Originally Posted by sleepyy

I agree people should not over seed by 10x the file size if one a person has given double then give others a chance as well the only problems i see could would be that speed could be effected but i can't see harm in that if there is 20+ seeders on the torrent

I can't see why people would need 200 gig + extra uploaded for what when they hardly download anything in the first place it's not as if they are going to plan a mass leech atack and take every thing the site has

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Some people with seedboxes in particular probably figure...
I paid for X gigs transfer a month. Might as well use it or lose it...

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Originally Posted by Melvinmeow

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Originally Posted by sleepyy

I agree people should not over seed by 10x the file size if one a person has given double then give others a chance as well the only problems i see could would be that speed could be effected but i can't see harm in that if there is 20+ seeders on the torrent

I can't see why people would need 200 gig + extra uploaded for what when they hardly download anything in the first place it's not as if they are going to plan a mass leech atack and take every thing the site has

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Some people with seedboxes in particular probably figure...
I paid for X gigs transfer a month. Might as well use it or lose it...

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You could do that with 25 torrents instead of 5 torrents you get the same effect and gives others a chance to seed as i said the only downside to this if seedboxes stop seeding say after double then speed will fall and be efected also where do 25 torrents hit at the same time from the same box i don't think people do that as they don't have 25 torrent's to upload at once but that's my opinion i don't know because i have never been an uploader or even owned a seedbox. i like to download very quickly i do not enjoy waiting hours for my downloads so there is an up and a down side to this

I notice alot of people here saying that it would be good if people stopped seeding after a ratio of 2, yet to get to higher user classes on many sites you need to have both uploaded a great deal 1tb is pretty much standard and have ratios that are + 3 or 4 so many sites encourage super seeding. Then of course there is the e-penis crowd who go around quoting their 1337 stats like it is a badge of honor. The sites do well by a high throughput, the more users uploading and downloading the torrents and / or the higher the data transfer rates the more attractive the tracker. A simple answer to resolve these issues is to follow the ftn model and remove ratio's completely, as the staff said at the time they are not in the business of selling ratio's so they removed them. There is a place for seedboxes, they are needed to upload efficiently so that you can get your super fast file transfer speeds when you first connect to a new torrent and as melvin said many complain here when the file transfer is slow, but you want everyone to play nice and stop seeding when they get to a certain ratio...... why should they? it is not a case of h&r it is a case of finding something that is an old torrent that is already well seeded and being able to go oh well I can grab that because your buffer that you built up can easily absorb the download without a warning. You still seed after the download knowing full well that no one will probably download the torrent again but it gives you the freedom to be able to look around and get what you want at leisure instead of hovering over the new torrents and agonising whether your ratio can take the hit, so screw it why shouldn't we do it ! In the end ratio's don't make a site good or bad it is the torrents and the amount of activity generated by the them that makes them more attractive, ScT is seedbox city but you all rave about the super fast speeds there, news of the day you can't have your cake & eat it too..........

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Originally Posted by Artemis

I notice alot of people here saying that it would be good if people stopped seeding after a ratio of 2, yet to get to higher user classes on many sites you need to have both uploaded a great deal 1tb is pretty much standard and have ratios that are + 3 or 4 so many sites encourage super seeding. Then of course there is the e-penis crowd who go around quoting their 1337 stats like it is a badge of honor. The sites do well by a high throughput, the more users uploading and downloading the torrents and / or the higher the data transfer rates the more attractive the tracker. A simple answer to resolve these issues is to follow the ft.n model and remove ratio's completely, as the staff said at the time they are not in the business of selling ratio's so they removed them. There is a place for seedboxes, they are needed to upload efficiently so that you can get your super fast file transfer speeds when you first connect to a new torrent and as melvin said many complain here when the file transfer is slow, but you want everyone to play nice and stop seeding when they get to a certain ratio...... why should they? it is not a case of h&r it is a case of finding something that is an old torrent that is already well seeded and being able to go oh well I can grab that because your buffer that you built up can easily absorb the download without a warning. You still seed after the download knowing full well that no one will probably download the torrent again but it gives you the freedom to be able to look around and get what you want at leisure instead of hovering over the new torrents and agonising whether your ratio can take the hit, so screw it why shouldn't we do it ! In the end ratio's don't make a site good or bad it is the torrents and the amount of activity generated by the them that makes them more attractive, ScT is seedbox city but you all rave about the super fast speeds there, news of the day you can't have your cake & eat it too......... As I said earlier ftn.n has pointed the way.

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I aint readin all that :snooty:

GOOD SKIZO. It makes me THAT much happier knowing my 4 (soon to be 10) boxes are getting u banned on E**** and whatnot. Jk, I still luv ya (not rly)

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Originally Posted by AmpeD

I aint readin all that :snooty:

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So why quote "all that"? :snooty: :snooty:

The key is quantity not quality (upload speed). I have a terabyte of content I seed at SCT and I keep my upload connection maxed all the time. I dedicate most my bandwidth there so that I can always grab whatever I want.

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Originally Posted by zaa730

GOOD SKIZO. It makes me THAT much happier knowing my 4 (soon to be 10) boxes are getting u banned on E**** and whatnot. Jk, I still luv ya (not rly)

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Why would I be banned on e****? :blink:

I have a nice ratio there, thank you very much... all due to few seedboxes I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by Skizo

It's tough going for the little man these days.

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Sorry to go off topic, but just how short are you then?

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Originally Posted by Skizo

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Originally Posted by zaa730

GOOD SKIZO. It makes me THAT much happier knowing my 4 (soon to be 10) boxes are getting u banned on E**** and whatnot. Jk, I still luv ya (not rly)

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Why would I be banned on e****? :blink:

I have a nice ratio there, thank you very much... all due to few seedboxes I'm sure.

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yea no one has a seedbox there hence sucky speeds:pinch:

you dont need a seedbox..
people do it to show off, buffer etc, but whats the point if you cant hit and run with like 2 TB buffer
i'd rather just download what you need and upload it back, even if that means leaving your shitty residential speed on for a month..and even longer for a decent ratio.

Good point Skizo, in my opinion trackers should press members to keep an all around ratio around 1 - 1.5, in order to avoid all these huge buffers and teens with seedboxes stepping fast on every torrent uploaded, regardless if they need the torrent or not.

These huge buffers and extreme ratios are really bothering me too.

Sure, some overdo it and I have been guilty a couple times of that. But having the extra upload credit encourages me to download old torrents that have fewer seeders, and definitely no leechers. This is especially true of dvds, bigger torrents that is.

I follow the rules on every site when I can't upload back to 1.0, and I do more than the 36, 72, or longer hour seeding commitment. But every so often you find a torrent that was upped ages ago and you suddenly want it.

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Originally Posted by Bucktoof

Sure, some overdo it and I have been guilty a couple times of that. But having the extra upload credit encourages me to download old torrents that have fewer seeders, and definitely no leechers. This is especially true of dvds, bigger torrents that is.

I follow the rules on every site when I can't upload back to 1.0, and I do more than the 36, 72, or longer hour seeding commitment. But every so often you find a torrent that was upped ages ago and you suddenly want it.

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That's why i like sites having karma/bonus for seeding and for other site activities. I guess, all sites adopting them are successful and hope more sites will do it in the future. I don't think, one who buys a seedbox watch or use all those junk he downloads when his internet connection is not more than 1 or 2 mbps.

But we all have to go with it. I have to buffer my accounts most times to dl old stuff or those torrents i can't catch up having leechers with big fat pipes. I just survive due to my seeding techniques, never had a seedbox for myself but will think about getting one if people continue buffering their accounts in the same way.

IMO, the best site to be on for someone like me is FTN or my fav bonus sites.