is filesharingtalk classed as a 'warez' site?

hi all,

hope you can help. i heard that 'warez sites' get in bother quite a bit and individuals who use them can get in trouble.

i just wanted to know is this site or rlslog or vcdquality.com for example classed as 'warez sites' or are they safe to be on?

thanks for the help

FST is safe, unless you live in some country that won't even let you "chat" about file sharing.

There are no illegal or copyrighted files hosted on this site whatsoever.

Short answer, no it is not a warez site.

thanks for the info, what about other sites that share release info such as rlslog and vcdquality e.g? or are they just information sites too, sorry a little confused

I think Vcdq also only offers information about releases with no metadata or direct links.

With Rlslog I am a bit unsure. Sometimes the site offers Rapidshare links to samples, so they directly link to downloadable samples. A sample is part of the movie, I think you are also not allowed to distribute parts of a movie without authorization, but I'm not sure. Then also, rlslog often directly links to a Torrent on NewTorrents - not only automatically suggesting with which query to look for it, but directly deep linking to the specific torrent - I think this can also be seen as scienter action with the author directly involved in linking to a working torrent.

But release sites are of course not such a big target like the actual warez sites..

ah i see, yeah but then FST also links directly to torrents and nzb's so surely that would be saying that this site also acts the same as rlslog. can individuals get in trouble for visiting these 2 sites for example?

FST hosts NZBs, yes. There is nothing illegal about that whatsoever.

That is completely different from hosting torrents which we do not do. Linking to such content is also against the rules and is expressly stated on the Rules page.

Doing so could bring FST into a different classification known as "third-party liability", which is something we do not want.

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Rule 10 - Cracks/Keygens/Warez
Posting of direct download links to copyrighted material such as private ftp sites, serial numbers, warez sites and torrentlinks are prohibited. Posts directly or indirectly containing this information will be edited. Sig2dat quicklinks and hashes are NOT considered to be downloadable and will be allowed. Don't ask for torrents, cracks, serials or keygens to be posted, you are asking someone else to break this rule. Hacking/Cracking discussions are not allowed.

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what is the difference then between a torrent and a nzb? surely they both allow you to download the content?

if "warez" is defined as "empty words".
then yes,
it is.

"empty words"??

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Originally Posted by djkemp1

what is the difference then between a torrent and a nzb? surely they both allow you to download the content?

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nzb is like a torrent, but it's used on for newsgroups, not for bittorrent.;)

yes thats what im trying to say, a bit further up someone said that nzb's are fine but torrents aren't so why would nzb's not be classed as warez when torrents are?

Providing URls is diferent of talking about who provide them.
No it isn't.

;)

thnx for the superb info

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Originally Posted by djkemp1

yes thats what im trying to say, a bit further up someone said that nzb's are fine but torrents aren't so why would nzb's not be classed as warez when torrents are?

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Not sure.
IMO, Torrents are fine.
The only reason we don't allow torrents here is because of all the heat on torrent sites. RIAA sueing and stuff.
They don't go after NZB sites (yet).;)

Even in netherlands many sites has been seized and ppl invistegated just becouse there were ed2k links in them :)

http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-...nector-071114/

so for that... everything depends on where you live... in many countries ed2k links are the same as torrent trackers and both can be seized... in others (canada? sweden?) both appears legit :)

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-ed2k-verifieds-15/

so if thats the case then in the future this site could get in trouble for hosting nzb's. i think its a great site and can learn a lot from here so i would hate for it to ever go down because of nzb files that it hosts

Why does the lounge have to have all the spam posts?

/my bad i thought i was in the lounge :lol::lol:

does anyone know if RLSLOG is a legit site? i don't want to visit sites that people could potentially get in trouble for for viewing. hope you can help and clear it up for me?

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Originally Posted by djkemp1

does anyone know if RLSLOG is a legit site? i don't want to visit sites that people could potentially get in trouble for for viewing. hope you can help and clear it up for me?

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You can't get into any trouble for viewing rlslog. If the owner of the site is a serious filesharer aswel as running that site, then the site is the last of his/her worries if s/he gets caught.

ok so is it a legal site in the eyes of the law?

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Originally Posted by djkemp1

ok so is it a legal site in the eyes of the law?

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sure m8 its legal site
give it try to look around all sections and see yourself :naughty:

how do u mean try and look round all sections?

I wouldn't classify it as a warez site...

this is bullshit , we r clean

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Originally Posted by djkemp1

how do u mean try and look round all sections?

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:yup::yup::yup::yup:

no sorry i was talking of rlslog.net, is rlslog.net a legit and legal site?

i could say that FST is not a Warez site.
because it doesn't host illegally files in it's servers.

no way !

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Originally Posted by REALiSTiC

i could say that FST is not a Warez site.
because it doesn't host illegally files in it's servers.

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:yup:

it isn't a warez site

It's not a warez site. It's a site in which file sharing is discussed, just like it name says...

thanks for the info guys. does anyone know about the site RLSLOG.NET. is that site a legitimate and legal site?

I agree with Rossco. I see no intrinsic difference between NZB and Torrent files, from a technical viewpoint.

However I also agree with him in that it's currently torrent providers who are attracting all of the attention. Just look at what happened to Oink.

So from a purely pragmatic viewpoint it makes absolute sense for him to allow posting of NZB files but not torrent files. I'm sure he would agree that may change as the filesharing World changes.

Where I fundamentally disagree is this whole "invite trading" thing, as I think it leads to other people being put at risk. We have discussed that at some length elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

I agree with Rossco. I see no intrinsic difference between NZB and Torrent files, from a technical viewpoint.

However I also agree with him in that it's currently torrent providers who are attracting all of the attention. Just look at what happened to Oink.

So from a purely pragmatic viewpoint it makes absolute sense for him to allow posting of NZB files but not torrent files. I'm sure he would agree that may change as the filesharing World changes.

Where I fundamentally disagree is this whole "invite trading" thing, as I think it leads to other people being put at risk. We have discussed that at some length elsewhere.

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Definitely agree. You save yourself a lot of hassle, headaches and legal problems by just disallowing hosting and links to torrent files on FST. NZB files are ok due to it not being a problem or even a grey area (Yet)as far as file sharing. That could all change but probably won't (Not at least for the time being).

To the OP, all the concerns you have as far as getting into trouble with the said sites you mentioned= no trouble at all (Unless your country prohibits any activity related to file sharing or even talk relating to file sharing).

Meaning if your sites do not ban the mention or access to file sharing resources then it should be ok. Reading the opinions of others is not problematic or illegal, meaning it is not illegal(In most places).

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Originally Posted by 100%

if "warez" is defined as "empty words".
then yes,
it is.

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It isn't and I don't believe that as a whole - our words are empty.
Why do you, Zed?


-bd

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Originally Posted by tesco

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Originally Posted by djkemp1

yes thats what im trying to say, a bit further up someone said that nzb's are fine but torrents aren't so why would nzb's not be classed as warez when torrents are?

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Not sure.
IMO, Torrents are fine.
The only reason we don't allow torrents here is because of all the heat on torrent sites. RIAA sueing and stuff.
They don't go after NZB sites (yet).;)

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But all an nzb file is is a reference to a location of files. They're essentially no different from an RS link or a link to a page with RS link. An nzb points to the location on a server, just like a url.

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Originally Posted by tesco

Not sure.
IMO, Torrents are fine.
The only reason we don't allow torrents here is because of all the heat on torrent sites. RIAA sueing and stuff.
They don't go after NZB sites (yet).;)

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But all an nzb file is is a reference to a location of files. They're essentially no different from an RS link or a link to a page with RS link. An nzb points to the location on a server, just like a url.

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I'm well aware of what an NZB file is. I've done extensive work with them for this site... :blink:

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Originally Posted by mbucari1

But all an nzb file is is a reference to a location of files. They're essentially no different from an RS link or a link to a page with RS link. An nzb points to the location on a server, just like a url.

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I'm well aware of what an NZB file is. I've done extensive work with them for this site... :blink:

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K, so why ban RS links? There's more heat on usenet right now than on hosting sites.

Ummm, no there's not, Rapidsahre is giving away customers details to the feds/cops/governement officials, not just the US ones either, I've only no of 1 or 2 nzb sites that are under pressure, one was closed due to the Wolverine leak, and the other one is FTD which is fightning since it's legal were they are....as far as I know, there has never been a letter sent to someone for download/uploading to Usenet, except in teh cases of child pron. And a NZB does not point to a URL or server, the client you use to download has to read the Message ID from the post, and it has to "decode" teh message, that's not even remotely the same as Rapidshit.