Same thing in my opinion.
They both = strangers (unknown quantities) being at the tracker.
Discuss, or do something else.
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Same thing in my opinion.
They both = strangers (unknown quantities) being at the tracker.
Discuss, or do something else.
Spoiler: ShowInvites are supposed to be for those you know and trust.
but if you have strict rules and can find good people then at least your trying to find good members and not just get ahead with no regard for the tracker.
i think everyone started with some giveaway .. but low level trackers that are often open signup . I think for other more, how should I say great comunities, I think I would only invite trusted members or friends fi mine
I completely agree in that i think it's no big deal to give away lower level often open sign up trackers. Even if they aren't open sign up they flood you with so many invites that its impossible to get rid of them all.
Now, with upper level trackers I don't always know what people that I know are good FST'ers need. I use giveaways to find out want my friends and other good FST need.
Most people understand that with a higher level invite they gotta do all they can to make sure they invite a higher level user. For the most part for upper level giveaways alot of members do a good job looking for good users and not giving them away blindly.
i try to chose the best member .. maybe ask someone from my uper lvl trackers if he wants to join other sit`s
and if the best member is a trader??Quote:
Originally Posted by Tudor
if he doesn't show it and then do it !! ?:)
some non trader or anti trader (who gives aways invites in public forums) thing they are good, but they just brok the tracker rules by doing this.
some other think giving invites is ok, but accounts is not good; LOL
The levels have nothing to do with it.
There are plenty of invite forums on trackers where you can offer invites.
At least if you invite someone from one of those there is some kind of accountability.
Most users here seem to have multiple accounts. Often 1 for trading and 1 for anti-trading. :dabs:
don`t worry i`ll check him out !Quote:
Originally Posted by MiniMalisticand if the best member is a trader??Quote:
Originally Posted by Tudor
if he doesn't show it and then do it !! ?:)
there is a big difference between giveaways and trading invites
the main difference is when someone trades an invite he doesn't care who will give it to or what this person will do with it.but when you make a giveaway this is something else you put strict rules,you check the history of the members who applies for it and above all you will look for members who will improve your tracker community.
giving away invites is a good thing if you have rules that put it on the right path and i guess it's a bit harsh to compare it to trading.
But i think i know what you mean?
we see people here giving invites just to show off or to cover their trading activities or to let people know they are good sharers.
and that's look bad but there other people who are making giveaways to help their fellow members and their beloved trackers.
it's all about rules and how do you pick the ones you invite.
Most people here have the false impression that the more you giveaway the better, in order to show you are a nice person, to get many rep. points and stand a chance to get other invites for free.
I think it's unfair though to put in the same basket someone who trades his account on a certain tracker to get an account/invite on another tracker, with someone who tries to find a suitable invitee out of a giveway.
The former doesn't care about the consequences of bringing a bad user whereas the latter knows that he will lose his account or invite privileges.
Of course the best thing would be to invite real life friends you know very well and teach them the basics, but then again not everyone has real life friends torrenting to invite them or to be invited.
As for giveaways on trackers' forums you don't know the members there either and some of them still have multiple accounts and/or are traders. :dabs:
thats exactly what they think :D more low lvl giveaway more change to get ftn
this day`s you don`t know who to trust ...
I can't disagree with that znik.
As far as the difference between trading/ giving away is, sure there is a difference.
I shouldn't have grouped them so tightly together. However with the rep point system it is hard to differentiate.
Speaking from a staff perspective I don't mind anyone joining iTS provided there is some sort of accountability for them should they break the rules.
That's why we ask for profiles from other accounts when inviting people.
Well,i've seen it many times...most of ppl do giveaways untill they get all the trackers they need. Once they get it,they don't care anymore. It's like a trade,just not a direct one. I give,i receive points,and with that points i'm more likely do get some other invite i want. And i can be a 'no-trader' and be 'against' it and be on my 'high horse' all the time. It's pathetic. :D
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Originally Posted by barakokula
+10000000 :yup:
I don't compare it to trades, still I don't like giveaways. I got plenty of invites now but I'm waiting until I find someone requesting it that I feel that just didn't juse the tracker from a list I wrote (together with the usual things of course)
I guess the main point I want to get across is:
-Users think that giveaway's will help them reach the trackers they are after when in actual fact it makes most staff members see them as no different than the traders.
The rep points are 'trading reps' after all to most of us.
What better way to join somewhere than be invited by a staff member. :smilie4:
Yes, but unfortunately not all stafflers are like you :eyebrows:
I had no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by benchez
Boy am I naive.
Is that why no one puts anything about themselves in their profile too?
Listen to this guy, he knows what he say.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAM
I think i can't added more since he already said what i think.:yup::rolleyes:
So you say the Rep points are trading points. So all the rep points o have are from trading? Geez i never traded and never will, so how did i get the rep points? Anyway i see the rep points more as a "Help points" instead of what you say "trade points". But everyone has different opinions. :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by benchez
benchez is right. i would never invite someone with 50+ rep points.
90% of them are traders and the other 10% throw around accounts and invites to random people.
all you guys who think that a lot of rep points open the doors to high level trackers - you are very wrong.
earn trust and respect, that will make people invite you.
both benchez and polarbear are right
earn trust and respect
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Originally Posted by HDR
They are not specifically trade points, but definitely not ''Help points''
Giving A Point To A Member
- Points can be given to those who give free invites.
- Points can be given to those you make trades with.
If you are giving them for people being helpful you are breaking the rule.
Hmm. I do understand your point, but I think by default and the whole nature and excitement of gaining access to a 'high level tracker' after a generous giveaway, more often than not the user will want to treat that account well, get the content they hoped for and keep the ratio up. I would never deny that there are idiots who will abuse an account for fun or just use it to push their way up the 'levels' but I honestly think that the whole satisfaction of getting an invite logically means most users will treat that account well and gratefully.
In conclusion, I think that giveaways, though never without risk, are actually a really nice part of the torrent community and can produce very positive and valued users to a community. And if it weren't for giveaways, then I wouldn't have access to some great trackers that alternatively I would have missed out on. And as we speak I have my torrent client open seeding relentlessly trying to up my ratio on some of these trackers as not to lose my access!
Why would you want to lose access to something you waited so long to get into? To me, it's just logical for the standard user here.
Another thing:
Quite honestly, I don't make standalone request threads, and probably never will because every invite that i get IS from a giveaway. Giveaways are the only time that I feel that it is ok to ask for an account.
I mean idk about most of you, but for the guys I consider "friends" I don't ask them for invites, and they even mention them to them. Through a giveaway is the only time is the only time they know that, oh, Sanka needed an invite to XYZ, why didn't he ask? Well,I just don't do that.
Now lets, talk about low level giveaways.Now some of them, make that most of them, are merely for rep points. For me, i gave low level invites away because thats all I had. Seeing all the giveaways that are done daily in conjunction to all the stuff I got though giveaways, gave me the urge to give back what I could, even if it wasn't much. As I've become more experienced I've got better trackers and with those trackers came better but slightly more strict giveaways.
Like I said before, I use giveaways to find me a hopefully experienced and kind field of candidates. If I don't find anybody that is suitable, i simply just don't give out the invite.
Giveaways, are a little more complex than trading in that it's hard to gage what the intentions of the giveaway is. Is it to rep up? Is it to help cover your trading dirt? is it because you have a bunch of low level invites thats you don't need? is it because as an experienced member all your "friends" have those invites already? or is it because you actually want to give back to a community that has given so much to you?
In the end it all just matters on the person giving it. If any of you anti givers were a part of a closed bittorrent community, you'd see how true giving works. We don't operate on rep points, we operate on just supporting our community. Whats wrong with doing that here?
Thanks for reading! :)
well,
Let's be fair here.
1- the rep point system here really needs some mending.cause you can't differ between people who earn their points from trading or from helping other members out.
i got some of my rep points from helping ppl out not for giving away invites but from giving away advice when it needed.
2-giving away invites can be a bad thing if and only if the trackers staff handing out invites to people who they think they deserve it and make it known that they are doing that.
this way giving away invites will lost its purpose but trackers stuff coming here saying giveaways are wrong and a bad thing and they don't do anything except of baning members who made public giveaways.
3-trading whatever it is,is the most dangerous threat to any private trackers.it will bring cheaters and scamers and more it will destroy the concept of security and privacy that these trackers are founded up on in the first place.
Higher level doesnt mean its a better tracker than a lower level one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanka113
this is what pisses me off, ah well that tracker has 50,000 members, doesnt matter if they get any more scum in, i can invite who i like and even those i dont like, But.. this tracker only has 1,000 members i better be really picky and choosy who i invite to this tracker.
Higher level just means they want more security, not that they dont want noobs in, they probably would welcome the odd noob now and again tbh.
the lvls are shit and give the wrong impression completely about what tracker staff of those trackers want. the lvl 9 trackers are not trying to be elitist, and only ever get member`s that have been in the torrenting scene for years in (christ someone thats been torrenting for a day, can know just as much if not more than someone thats been torrenting for 5 years, its not rocket science). they just want security (wehter thats right or wrong is up to them).
Other trackers want to make a huge community, loads of seeds/peers and snatches on the torrents (as thats what filesharing is all about, to share) but also have good members in that lot, they have got the 300,000 noobs in in a year and taught them how to do it, or chucked them out if they didnt listen, but they want just as good members as those that are lvl 9.
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Originally Posted by Polarbear
i agree even doh i don't have 50+ rep points i have been given invites to site's and i keep up my ratio:D
Invites are meant to be given out to friends and to people you trust, not to some random stranger. Nor are they meant to be traded for other invites.
this has nothing to do with ratio :01:Quote:
Originally Posted by antoQuote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
i agree even doh i don't have 50+ rep points i have been given invites to site's and i keep up my ratio:D
I agree that a lower level tracker isn't truly "better" than a higher level one. I was just pointing out that in loosely given invites out, their members go and do the same. Like you said they do this to keep having new people to join in on the filesharing fun, and they do that by being open sign up or by giving members tons of invites out to give.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoiHigher level doesnt mean its a better tracker than a lower level one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanka113
this is what pisses me off, ah well that tracker has 50,000 members, doesnt matter if they get any more scum in, i can invite who i like and even those i dont like, But.. this tracker only has 1,000 members i better be really picky and choosy who i invite to this tracker.
Higher level just means they want more security, not that they dont want noobs in, they probably would welcome the odd noob now and again tbh.
the lvls are shit and give the wrong impression completely about what tracker staff of those trackers want. the lvl 9 trackers are not trying to be elitist, and only ever get member`s that have been in the torrenting scene for years in (christ someone thats been torrenting for a day, can know just as much if not more than someone thats been torrenting for 5 years, its not rocket science). they just want security (wehter thats right or wrong is up to them).
Other trackers want to make a huge community, loads of seeds/peers and snatches on the torrents (as thats what filesharing is all about, to share) but also have good members in that lot, they have got the 300,000 noobs in in a year and taught them how to do it, or chucked them out if they didnt listen, but they want just as good members as those that are lvl 9.
Since those invites are so plentiful you see more of these types of invites given more freely than say a level 5 invite. These low level giveaways unfortunately create the stigma that ALL giveaways are just as loose, and thats not always true.
ask that question people in the invite section who break tracker rules on a daily basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blistered
account dealers get banned all the time. in fact they like it. then they have a new challenge to sneak back in.
lonely little boys at home - hardcore torrent gangsta account traders that nobody can catch (they think) here.
all a bunch of teenage wannabes with no social life who adopted images from american gangster movies and know sexuality from watching porn. :lol:
With trading you don't have much option for whom to trade with. However, with giveaway u have plenty of options. In trade, you are inclined to trade with ABC because he is the only one who is offering you the tracker you are looking for. Again, in giveaway, that is not the case. You can add up rules to your giveaway and filter out bunch of bad apples...and probably have a good user as ur winner.
So what I am trying to say is, there can be a big difference between public giveaway and trading invites...it all depends on inviter. But most of the time giveaway are random...and in that case there isn't much difference between public giveaway and trading invites.
Ive already done this post somewhere, but it probably got lost.
In a perfect world this is how invites should work.
btw for this, lets scrap those stupid lvls.
you join a private tracker thats open signup.
someone spots you doing a good job, wether thats just uploading/ratio/community whatever.
they PM and ask if you would like to join another tracker, they then send you an invite.
you do well there, and you also go back to your first tracker and find someone there for your invite to your new tracker.
your inviter sees you are doing good, and that your invitee is doing good, so invites you to another tracker (obviously the inviter has someone above him as well doing the same as him)
and it works like that all the way along the line.
but you still go back to the very first tracker you joined, and keep inviting those to the 2nd tracker you joined and so it goes on.
think of it like a pyramid scheme, but without the hastles and the cash involved.
the problem now with the above is.
Forums like FST, you could get into a good tracker at your first request, and you may never get anyone into other trackers from that tracker, just use FST all the time.
or you just forget your routes, and let your old account on your first tracker die, which breaks the chain.
imo there should be no invites giving away on public forums full stop, it should all be done within the trackers.
got to agree with stoi with how invites should be handed out... hand by hand not to be seld or traded or something else ppl do @ forums
you are right, stoi. and from my experience this really works.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
the only problem is, once you gotten an account via trading or in a public giveaway, you can't be active in the tracker community anymore. the constant fear of being caught and banned doesn't allow you to be a part of it. you need to stay undercover.
that's why i won't stop saying to the newcomers:
do not trade from the beginning and do not accept other people's accounts!!!
it's a vicious circle that you can't escape from.
In the most part I agree with you stoi.
But I have been torrenting for about 5 years, and mainly only used large community trackers (bitsoup, ILT, Suprnova, Lokitorrent, Demonoid deceased).
That is until the last year when I became a member of FST, here I learnt alot about how trackers function and their communities.
I now understand the need for security, and in some cases secrecy.
But I know (not blowing my own trumpet) that I am a trustworthy person, who finds it difficult to understand Why other people cheat or trade.
Just to say that other people may not know me that well, so I still find it difficult obtain access to great trackers.:blink:
Hope that made sense,:shutup:
I'm trying to watch the Arsenal vs Liverpool game and type at the same time.
Anyway I don't believe in trading, but giveaways to the right people is in my opinion fine.:fst:
Yes, good comments, stoi. That way really can and does work I believe.
If it's not your name on the account then you are hiding and won't be free to be a part of the community.
One problem is that some trackers are run by people who trade themselves. :dabs:
Someone offered me their account somewhere yesterday for some reason. They wanted nothing in return. Of course I refused.
I think most would have found that hard to do because it was supposedly desirable. LeuLinks or something. :dabs: (A direct DL site I think)
I think that give aways invites is a nice way 4 some users start yours "torrent life"...but the problem is that you don`t know enough the persons who ur inviting ...
I don`t trust in all ratio proofs posted here..that`s why i just give away my invites on tracker`s forums ;)
I totally agree,sorry that i ddi none, but thats how i feel too.:fst:
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Originally Posted by benchez