Is it worth it to donate to private trackers?

I'm tempted to donate to some of my favorite trackers in exchange for upload credit. I find the sites I'm (please don't ask) in very difficult to seed back as most users there have fast connection. My max upload speed is around 30-40 kb/s (which is the fastest where I live! :() but would drop into around 1/2 to 2/3 max speed during daytime and when leeching. Thus, I have to hold back leeching a lot of good movies I like (which are not on freeleech) and seed back first what I got before grabbing new ones.

With this problem, my options are:
(1) keep my pc open for 24/7 which I'm doing lately...build buffer first before downloading something new,
(2) get a seedbox, or
(3) donate for upload credit.

As of now, I find it more "economical" to donate (although i find the idea of pay-to-leech horrible) and keep my pc on for few hours a day only, thus saving electricity. I still haven't decided on getting a seedbox yet since I think the amount I'll pay for seedbox access can be used instead to "buy" upload credit and "help" my favorite trackers. This could be, in my opinion, cheaper in the long run.

I need the inputs of fellow FST members before I make my first donation (around >$50). I especially need the opinions of those who have donated and those who opted to buy seedbox access instead. TIA! :)

With a connection like you have you shouldn't be on those private trackers imho.

Go on public trackers or trackers where it is easier to seed.

Just my opinion.

Why not just seed to a ratio of 1 on every file no matter how long it takes. :blink:

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Originally Posted by benchez

Why not just seed to a ratio of 1 on every file no matter how long it takes. :blink:

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That's exactly what I'm doing right now. I'm seeding 24/7. But the problem with it, I am missing a lot of good movies. I always hold back leeching until my ratio go back to 1 or more than 1 per file. I always build buffer.. and it's quite tiring.

Donate means help the tracker running and make it even better,and more importantly you want nothing in return,The bonus whatever upload credit or invite that's all the the others,Just a thank for what you contribute for the site.
If you have a slow connection,I would suggest buying a seed box rather than buying upload credit anyway.

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Originally Posted by styles

If you have a slow connection,I would suggest buying a seed box rather than buying upload credit anyway.

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+1

If you get a seedbox your adding to the site by speeding up their torrents. It would be much better for your needs in the long cause you'd have alot more freedom to download what you want when you want and you would be using the site to its full potential.

Donations help keep the trackers running, they're important.

GoldStoNe I was given a seedbox on one tracker to help upload at, so if you really are interested in helping, you might be able to get something like this too...

PEACE

I'm kinda in the same boat as you GoldstoNe but my speed is a little better.
It takes some planning and perseverance to build ratio but it can be done.Get on anything you want early and stay late.It's surprising what can happen a week after the initial rush.
If this doesn't work I would definitely donate.You will be helping the site then and not just yourself.I'm not rich but I've never once regretted donating .
Anyway if it's that hard to seed the tracker doesn't need more speed it needs less.
The day everyone needs a frigging seedbox just to belong to a tracker will be a black day indeed.

A user must be smart. If he doesn't have a good upload speed... well.. he can use other measures (and donating is not one of it) to boost their ratio. But... a good user can seed his torrents and to keep his ratio above de limit very easily by downloading xxx torrents, new games or movies.

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Originally Posted by DasFox

Donations help keep the trackers running, they're important.

PEACE

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donations helps the staffs buget :)

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Originally Posted by GoldStoNe

I'm tempted to donate to some of my favorite trackers in exchange for upload credit. I find the sites I'm (please don't ask) in very difficult to seed back as most users there have fast connection. My max upload speed is around 30-40 kb/s (which is the fastest where I live! :() but would drop into around 1/2 to 2/3 max speed during daytime and when leeching. Thus, I have to hold back leeching a lot of good movies I like (which are not on freeleech) and seed back first what I got before grabbing new ones.

With this problem, my options are:
(1) keep my pc open for 24/7 which I'm doing lately...build buffer first before downloading something new,
(2) get a seedbox, or
(3) donate for upload credit.

As of now, I find it more "economical" to donate (although i find the idea of pay-to-leech horrible) and keep my pc on for few hours a day only, thus saving electricity. I still haven't decided on getting a seedbox yet since I think the amount I'll pay for seedbox access can be used instead to "buy" upload credit and "help" my favorite trackers. This could be, in my opinion, cheaper in the long run.

I need the inputs of fellow FST members before I make my first donation (around >$50). I especially need the opinions of those who have donated and those who opted to buy seedbox access instead. TIA! :)

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Pay to leech? Never!:dry:

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Originally Posted by DasFox

Donations help keep the trackers running, they're important.

GoldStoNe I was given a seedbox on one tracker to help upload at, so if you really are interested in helping, you might be able to get something like this too...

PEACE

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Wow, DasFox you're a lucky guy. What tracker is that? They just give you a seedbox for free? I would like to apply. :naughty:

i think it Is worth it to donate to private trackers to keep the site going or would ur rather the site go down?

it is called p2L , which is bad thing in my opinion . if u want to leech u should go and buy some rapidshare s***
. there ll b no ratio and u ll not have to donate ever /
but if u donate to some private tracker with the helping intention , it is great .

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Originally Posted by saqib

it is called p2L , which is bad thing in my opinion . if u want to leech u should go and buy some rapidshare s***
. there ll b no ratio and u ll not have to donate ever /
but if u donate to some private tracker with the helping intention , it is great .

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agree :D

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Anyway if it's that hard to seed the tracker doesn't need more speed it needs less.
The day everyone needs a frigging seedbox just to belong to a tracker will be a black day indeed.

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I agree that forcing everyone to have a seedbox just in order to survive in a tracker would be doomsday indeed! I observe it becoming a trend in very high level trackers where a lot of members have a seedbox!

So the future is: get a seedbox or donate? :(

yes sometimes it can be hard to seed when people have seedboxes i have had to donate to sites to get more upload beacuse of seedboxes but i don't ind doing it beacuse it keeps the site going

I'd advise you to be careful with that. Once I donated to PiSEXY for a special "draw" thing (BTW - always the same people won those draws, which was more than a little suspect), and next thing I knew, my friend's credit card which I used (he lent me) was raided of €2000.

Watch out with that. If I were you I'd go for the seed/dedi/gigabox. Don't trust the private trackers. As a rule. You never know what one or another member of staff are up to. Sorry if I offended staffmembers from private trackers that aren't untrustworthy bastards, but the many pay for the errors of the few.

i donated some time ago but not anymore it`s nice and respectfull to donate , where ppl are really trying to help you out and give you the best material there is on the internet so ppl who can donate don`t hesitate helping , i don`t say to donate much just simbolic amounts !

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Originally Posted by MisterSister

I'd advise you to be careful with that. Once I donated to PiSEXY for a special "draw" thing (BTW - always the same people won those draws, which was more than a little suspect), and next thing I knew, my friend's credit card which I used (he lent me) was raided of €2000.

Watch out with that. If I were you I'd go for the seed/dedi/gigabox. Don't trust the private trackers. As a rule. You never know what one or another member of staff are up to. Sorry if I offended staffmembers from private trackers that aren't untrustworthy bastards, but the many pay for the errors of the few.

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i use a 3v pre paid credit card if there were to get access to it all they can get is what is on the card :D

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Originally Posted by GoldStoNe

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Anyway if it's that hard to seed the tracker doesn't need more speed it needs less.
The day everyone needs a frigging seedbox just to belong to a tracker will be a black day indeed.

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I agree that forcing everyone to have a seedbox just in order to survive in a tracker would be doomsday indeed! I observe it becoming a trend in very high level trackers where a lot of members have a seedbox!

So the future is: get a seedbox or donate? :(

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NO . i think there should b exception for low bandwidth users like some specific time of seeding like 60 hours or 1.1 ratio . the later can b achieved if we ll go on to partial seeding or seed the popular torrents .
about 70% of us are students and r not earning , thats y our parents have to pay for our bandwidth and in some cases for our seedboxes too .
but as the time ll pass on we ll move to professional life where we can bear high bandwidth bills or seedboxes .
so there is nothing about to worry . cheer up guys . :cool:

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Originally Posted by saqib

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Originally Posted by GoldStoNe

I agree that forcing everyone to have a seedbox just in order to survive in a tracker would be doomsday indeed! I observe it becoming a trend in very high level trackers where a lot of members have a seedbox!

So the future is: get a seedbox or donate? :(

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NO . i think there should b exception for low bandwidth users like some specific time of seeding like 60 hours or 1.1 ratio . the later can b achieved if we ll go on to partial seeding or seed the popular torrents .
about 70% of us are students and r not earning , thats y our parents have to pay for our bandwidth and in some cases for our seedboxes too .
but as the time ll pass on we ll move to professional life where we can bear high bandwidth bills or seedboxes .
so there is nothing about to worry . cheer up guys . :cool:

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some sites don't like partial seeding

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Originally Posted by becomehokage

Pay to leech? Never!:dry:

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If no one ever donated how would trackers survive?

And MisterSister sorry to hear about your friends trouble.You can never be to careful it seems.

Agreed though that seeding time should take precedence over everthing else.

MisterSister, I think giving your credit card information online is dangerous. You never know whoever got hold of the number could have used it for any other purpose.

How about donating thru PayPal? Would it be safer if the major objection is security and credit card theft?

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Originally Posted by GoldStoNe

MisterSister, I think giving your credit card information online is dangerous. You never know whoever got hold of the number could have used it for any other purpose.

How about donating thru PayPal? Would it be safer if the major objection is security and credit card theft?

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i agree payal is the best way :D

Honestly? In your situation? It's similar to my mines but my upload rate is not as horrible. I would invest in seedbox access for a month or two and buff your accounts up alittle bit. If thats not where you want to go, then just donate. Not only will you'll be getting upload credit, but you'll also be helping out the tracker. It's up to you.

I think there are plenty of alternatives:

1. Use public tracker

2. If you don't like public tracker, then try semi-private (semi-public) tracker as Torrent-Damage. Some of them are targeted to people who find it difficult to seed, meanwhile speed there is better than public tracker. For example: Demonoid didn't care about ratio i.e they wouldn't ban for ur ratio. I dunno any such semi-public tracker atm but i think Torrent-Damage has something interesting:

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your ratio must be higher than

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your ratio must be higher than

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^ i think that is easy to obtain ratio.

3. If you don't want to stick with semi-public (or semi-private) then:

A. Borrow someone's seedbox (or buy one) and buffer up. Then after, seed torrents for at least 72 hrs (or w/e their requirement is) and u should be fine.

C. Check the freeleech thread. Get the movies u want from freeleech trackers...doing so, ur ratio won't hurt and at the meantime u could seed those torrent in other tracker as well.

B. Join ratio free trackers. You mentioned that you have been seeding 24/7...so i think u could do well in those ratio free trackers.

It depends of how much trackers do you have right now.

I'm an example, some weeks ago i was in the same situation you are right now.

If you have a lot of trackers it's a good bet, a seedbox.

If you don't, just donate. I think it's not enought get a seedbox for one tracker only, but there aren't too much trackers where you can do that...

Like grimms said, it's up to you.

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Originally Posted by GoldStoNe

My max upload speed is around 30-40 kb/s

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I dont understand you, my upload speed is around 25 kb\s and i have good buffers in my trackers, you must work better in those trackers, and you will see that with time your buffer will increase a lot..........

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Originally Posted by sacebac

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Originally Posted by GoldStoNe

My max upload speed is around 30-40 kb/s

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I dont understand you, my upload speed is around 25 kb\s and i have good buffers in my trackers, you must work better in those trackers, and you will see that with time your buffer will increase a lot..........

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Is all about patience isn't it? :)

I donated $25 today to http://linuxmoviemania.org got me 250 gb. Thought that was great....

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Originally Posted by The Gladiator

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Originally Posted by sacebac

I dont understand you, my upload speed is around 25 kb\s and i have good buffers in my trackers, you must work better in those trackers, and you will see that with time your buffer will increase a lot..........

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Is all about patience isn't it? :)

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yes indeed ;) and seeeding 24/7 or at least 14/7 as i do :P

You can always consider other methods of file sharing. Rapidshare and Usenet are two of them.

i`ve never paid for p2p and personally I am against donations. Before you start a tracker, you have to think if you have the resources to maintain it. Therefore czone tracker does not accept donations from users and never will.

Why to pay for something that it is supposed to be free? Moreover, you do not know what the staff is doing with the money, so I prefer to keep them on my card ;)

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Originally Posted by KravenX

i`ve never paid for p2p and personally I am against donations. Before you start a tracker, you have to think if you have the resources to maintain it. Therefore czone tracker does not accept donations from users and never will.

Why to pay for something that it is supposed to be free? Moreover, you do not know what the staff is doing with the money, so I prefer to keep them on my card ;)

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Against donations? First of all if he donate it's for upload, then why agaist?

Yeah and it's free, you don't need to pay for do the sign up do you? You donate if you want the upload or if you want to help the tracker (Don't tell me that you don't know what they will do with the money because if you are an active member on that tracker you know if staff there is serious or not).

czone is run buy a romanian ISP, its like comcast or virgin media running one, they dont need donations.

put it this way if trackers got 0 donations every month, all you would have is a few romanian trackers that are run by their ISP.

I know i couldnt afford to keep BCG going if i got 0 donations (i could when i started it, but we have grown a lot since then)

The Gladiator it`s not that simple. for example, I implement a donation system on cz. the users will donate, they will receive their upload/invites/etc and they are happy. What would I do with the money? I can easily lie the users that is for the maintenace of the server. As long as you do not know how the things work around there, I could do whatever I want with the money. And this is not fair.

On the other hand, I agree that lots of trackers does not have any resources, and NEED the money. I do not have an acct on BCG stoi, but I`m sure it is a good tracker and needs the donations. So other important trackers, such as sct, ftn, tl etc. But the saddest part is that there are LOTS of trackers that do not need donations (being either too small, or not so important) and still ask for money. Trustworthy or not, users are fooled and throw money for something that would run the same with or without donations.

Do not understand me wrongly, this is just my opinion. As a simple user, you can easily be fooled by the staff.

Pay for p2p LOL.
Instead of donating 50$ and getting 50GB upload credit you can buy excellent box and upload amount that bigger by 10!

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Originally Posted by GoldStoNe

My max upload speed is around 30-40 kb/s

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I dont understand you, my upload speed is around 25 kb\s and i have good buffers in my trackers, you must work better in those trackers, and you will see that with time your buffer will increase a lot..........

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Please don't get me wrong mate. I also have good buffers in the trackers I'm active in. It's because I seed almost 24/7 for the past few months. A lot of effort has been poured on my part just to buffer up and seed back. At the same time my electricity bills shot up around $25-30 higher than those months when my pc is on for a few hours a day only [electricity is costly in the country where I'm from :(]. So I'm thinking of ways to minimize cost and at the same time survive in my favorite trackers...

There are lots of good suggestions here. Thank you guys. I'll evaluate what's best for me. Semi-private trackers? hmmm... Keep your opinions pouring in guys. I'm sure there are also lots of members who would benefit from our discussion. :happy:

Donations keep sites online. It is worth it to have good sites online. It is worth it to make donations.