why not switch to usenet?

In this thread, I attempt to convert you to usenet users.

With all the trouble happening in the bt world, now is the time to jump on a secure and easy way to get your files.

Here are some brief benefits to usenet:

1) Privacy and security. Your IP is not publicly/privately available.
2) Download files up to your retention at full speed, without worrying about seeders or anything.
3) No ratios! Download all you want with an unlimited package.
4) If you want to share, you can upload releases to usenet, upload nzbs to various sites (including FST) or you can spot posts on various forums.
5) Reposts of files are very common, so you can catch up on releases you missed years ago.

To address the biggest con, cost, I will make a few brief points:
1) Many of you folks spend more money on seedboxes.
2) If you really want to share things freely, you can still share, in fact, you'd be sharing with millions of people rather than just a few hundred or thousand on a torrent site.
3) Most of these users are paying the nominal fees too, but it's like paying a small subscription to a massive community.

So, why not switch to Usenet?

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I must acknowledge that some of you just cannot afford $11/month or may not be able to pay using a credit card or from your country. (Astraweb is the cheapest unlimited provider so I used their current rates.) I'm not directing this at you, but at those who could go with usenet, but choose torrents.

Well I know you tried to say that money shouldn't be an issue but it still is. When I got my seedbox I got such a huge amount uploaded that I would probably say that I am set for life on a few sites. That one small investment just bought me years of free stuff without the need for worrying about my ratio.

Is there any system to get free access to usenet?

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Originally Posted by mikeHD

In this thread, I attempt to convert you to usenet users.

With all the trouble happening in the bt world, now is the time to jump on a secure and easy way to get your files.

Here are some brief benefits to usenet:

1) Privacy and security. Your IP is not publicly/privately available.
2) Download files up to your retention at full speed, without worrying about seeders or anything.
3) No ratios! Download all you want with an unlimited package.
4) If you want to share, you can upload releases to usenet, upload nzbs to various sites (including FST) or you can spot posts on various forums.
5) Reposts of files are very common, so you can catch up on releases you missed years ago.

To address the biggest con, cost, I will make a few brief points:
1) Many of you folks spend more money on seedboxes.
2) If you really want to share things freely, you can still share, in fact, you'd be sharing with millions of people rather than just a few hundred or thousand on a torrent site.
3) Most of these users are paying the nominal fees too, but it's like paying a small subscription to a massive community.

So, why not switch to Usenet?

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I tried using usenet, and it SUCKS. I havent even used my all download quota. Maybe i am noob, yet i didnt like it at all.Better use rapidshare, at least you have a way of checking whether the games actually work or not. Beside BT, Rapidshare is the best.

usenet is fine for 0day, but for older files... good luck

@ BilkEnter

If you use an indexing site, you can surely find out in the comments if a game is working.

@ DouglasQuaid
You clearly have no idea about how often files are reposted. Just skim through a.b.boneless (one of many newsgroups that would prove my point) to find releases that are years old. Tons of usenet users archive the releases and repost once classic files either on their own volition or by request.

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Originally Posted by DouglasQuaid

usenet is fine for 0day, but for older files... good luck

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lol,lol
most of the users here are little kids usenet is too complicated for them

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Originally Posted by mikeHD

@ BilkEnter

If you use an indexing site, you can surely find out in the comments if a game is working.

@ DouglasQuaid
You clearly have no idea about how often files are reposted. Just skim through a.b.boneless (one of many newsgroups that would prove my point) to find releases that are years old. Tons of usenet users archive the releases and repost once classic files either on their own volition or by request.

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Comments were in german. If you mean the comments on an index site, that is another issue though, never used an index site. Still rapid is way better compared to usenet in my opinion.

If you've ever just taken a shot at Usenet without using an nzb indexing site, either FST's own index or sites like Nzbsrus or NZBMatrix which are open signup, then I'm not surprised you find it complex.

Using an indexing site is just as easy as using a torrent site. Except there are fewer rules and no ratios. And they usually cost a bit of money for full access.

Kids, I tell ya kids.

No comparison between Usenet and RS or MU. Usenet pwns both of them.

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Originally Posted by bilkenter

I tried using usenet, and it SUCKS. I havent even used my all download quota. Maybe i am noob, yet i didnt like it at all.Better use rapidshare, at least you have a way of checking whether the games actually work or not. Beside BT, Rapidshare is the best.

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It doesn't "suck"; you may be too dim to comprehend the basic concepts, but it most certainly does not suck. It isn't like Bittorrent where you can learn everything you need to know in an hour and you're off and running. It does take some work and it does take longer to learn and experience everything there is to know, but it's well worth it.

Usenet was around way before private BT trackers. It predates them by some twenty years and releases of apps, TV programs, and the latest films traditionally go to Usenet first. It's always been that way. Usenet and its numerous groups, has many, many more uploaders than any private torrent site.

Now I'm not saying that some BT trackers don't have uploaders that cap TV shows or crack programs and release them exclusively to the site but Usenet is the place for getting releases first. You have to know the right groups, of course, but once you've got your favorite groups entrenched in your newsreader of choice, you'll find everything you need and will be able to download it sooner and faster than if you relied on your private tracker.

Using Giganews and Alt.Binz I have 365+ days of content to download* at max speeds which downloads, fixes, and extracts itself.

* As an example, Newzbin can provide me with approximately 120,000 posts of content** whilst the average on my private trackers is maybe 10,000. Usenet search engines reveal literally hundreds of thousands of files available.

** That's new and old content. At max speed. All the time. With no need to upload.

There really is no comparison.

The existence of so many users shilling out much more cash than a news server would cost, for seedboxes is just plain foolish and a waste of money. I'll never understand it.

lol @ someone saying rapidshare is better than usenet

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Originally Posted by bilkenter

I tried using usenet, and it SUCKS. I havent even used my all download quota. Maybe i am noob, yet i didnt like it at all.

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You obviously didn't understand the concept at all if you think it sucks.

I'm getting 90% of my junk on usenet now and it quite easy to find what you are looking for. Sites like nzbmatrix, merlin portal and binsearch are all you need. There are plenty of nzb files available here also.

I even often find old releases on usenet and I'm getting it in one hour instead of 2 days with 1 slow seeder on bt sites. That's a major pro.

Finally, it's more affordable that ever. I'm paying a small 11$ a month for Astraweb.

I have a GigaNews subscription and use it regularly, I've leeched TBs from their service. (Older, hard to find DVDRs or Wii / 360 games, hell even all the SunFly shit via United Forums.)

However, for instant and reliable access to warez, i still turn to FTPs and sites like ScT and SCC for my shit.

Usenet imo is something people would do well to add to their downloading inventories rather than depend on altogether. Despite the awesome speed and content on offer, usenet remains a public service, and comes with all the usual risks and bullshit that public networks carry with them.

Need the latest shit? Torrents / FTP.
Need anything else? Check out the Newsgroups.

Just my 5 cents.

Never tought about this usenet before. But maybe in the near future I will at least use warez forums

I used usenext for usenet services, i heard that giganews was a good one yet never tried it because my first experience with usenet sucked. As i said, i didnt use any index site at all, i will give it another shot at least to giganews, then i will see whether it is worth or not. Thanks for the info though. Anyway i downloaded three files from usenext, 2 games and one documentary about hitler. None of them actually worked. There was problem with both games, and There was an extraction problem regarding documentary. Therefore i didnt like it and never used the 9 gb quota of mine there. Anyway i will give giganews a shot and see what happens. Thank you all.

You sometimes have to repair rars on older newsgroup releases, that's probably the reason. If you have the par files and enough data blocks, an app like quick par will repair it in a couple minutes. I rarely have to.

And you should consider Astraweb instead of Giganews, they have the same retention and it's like 10$ cheaper a month.

OP is probably right but i doubt usenet could replace a tracker like Karagarga.
ok, i know usenet is full of classics and 'old films' but i don't think you can find as much rarities (experimental, independant productions, rare vhsrips) as on KG.

anyway, it's certainly the best alternative.

I dont know i just think its a a matter of time before the authorities come after usenet. Also it does not sit right with me the fact u have to pay for a service to get illegal stuff, means someone is profiting from this which makes it even more dodgy for me.

Should the situation with BT continue to worsen, I will move to usenet.

Well I have tried usenet and it is nothing wrong with it. But I have to say that I understand those who like bittorrent more.

I personally like p2p, if I'm sharing with ppl I like (like a trusted tracker with nice ppl). And the BIG con with usenet is the cost. It hurts the old wallet lol:P and I think it feels wrong to pay for something like that, if I wanted to pay I'd rather it go to the right ppl like artists and shit:P It is so comersial and feels wrong. If you are willing to pay, why not buy? And it was hard to find old, rare files which I found on bittorrent trackers.

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Originally Posted by mikeHD

I must acknowledge that some of you just cannot afford $11/month [...]. I'm not directing this at you, but at those who could go with usenet, but choose torrents.

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So why not pay for teh fucking media you consume :closedeye

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Originally Posted by KFlint

You sometimes have to repair rars on older newsgroup releases, that's probably the reason. If you have the par files and enough data blocks, an app like quick par will repair it in a couple minutes. I rarely have to.

And you should consider Astraweb instead of Giganews, they have the same retention and it's like 10$ cheaper a month.

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I wonder one thing, do files differ on usenet based on the site you subscribe to? I wonder whether there are different files on each usenet provider or not. Or they all provide the same files but just another provider. Just curious. Thank you btw.

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Originally Posted by Villalltheway

I dont know i just think its a a matter of time before the authorities come after usenet. Also it does not sit right with me the fact u have to pay for a service to get illegal stuff, means someone is profiting from this which makes it even more dodgy for me.

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The profit component is more direct and widespread with usenet, but I'm sure that most mainstream torrent sites are filled with seedboxes, at the very least those of the original uploaders, so a hosting company is still profiting from the sharing of those illegal files you're downloading. Likewise, the servers the site is actually hosted on is profiting and so are the ISPs of the users who just sold you that high bandwidth cable. I concede that the corporate atmosphere in usenet is more prevalent and may leave a worse taste in your mouth, but thought I'd point this out for what it's worth.

I don't pay for all the media I consume because I can't afford all of it and I don't keep anything, since I watch it once. My plans for the future, well after school and student loans and a house is all sorted, is to buy a nice collection of bluray films. The difference in paying $10-30 a month to download all you want and paying for all the media is obvious and your argument's implication, that one who is willing to pay something for media ought to pay for all their media at full retail presumes too much.

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Originally Posted by Villalltheway

I dont know i just think its a a matter of time before the authorities come after usenet. Also it does not sit right with me the fact u have to pay for a service to get illegal stuff, means someone is profiting from this which makes it even more dodgy for me.

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As long as their are two servers sharing files, Usenet will exist.

And how is it "dodgy" that someone makes money from it? It's an incredibly expensive service to provide if done properly and the cost is minimal to the end user.

You pay for your internet, don't you?

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Originally Posted by bilkenter

I used usenext for usenet services, i heard that giganews was a good one yet never tried it because my first experience with usenet sucked. Anyway i downloaded three files from usenext, 2 games and one documentary about hitler. None of them actually worked. There was problem with both games, and There was an extraction problem regarding documentary.

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I heard that Usenext was just a scam site. :unsure:

Anyhow, we have ads for the reputable services right here on the site. Just click one of those and use it. Some will give you a discount if you put FST as the referral as well. :fst:

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Originally Posted by bilkenter

I wonder one thing, do files differ on usenet based on the site you subscribe to? I wonder whether there are different files on each usenet provider or not. Or they all provide the same files but just another provider. Just curious. Thank you btw.

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Files are the same on any newsgroups server with binaries. What changes is retention time, files can be hosted from 7 days to 365 days. That's a huge difference in term of content available. I often download releases that are more than 150 days old, so I would probably not be that satisfied with a news server with short retention time.

Giganews and Astraweb have 365 days retention now. That's your best bet.

I tried usenet once but with a "free test account"... it was like 10gb of download... I used only 2gb to download what I wanted and forgot about it =/

Someone here knows where I could find something like this? I would test and in case of finding something new that I can't find with torrents, I would pay for it =/

read this news two weeks ago, let's see how this goes.
MPA Set to Challenge Newzbin Usenet Indexer in Court

http://torrentfreak.com/mpa-set-to-c...-court-090407/

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Originally Posted by johhn

read this news two weeks ago, let's see how this goes.
MPA Set to Challenge Newzbin Usenet Indexer in Court

http://torrentfreak.com/mpa-set-to-c...-court-090407/

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I've been paying attention to that, but surely Newzbin will win. They run a site, which hosts files, which are links, to other files, which hosted on another server. :mellow:

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Originally Posted by 7th

I tried usenet once but with a "free test account"... it was like 10gb of download... I used only 2gb to download what I wanted and forgot about it =/

Someone here knows where I could find something like this? I would test and in case of finding something new that I can't find with torrents, I would pay for it =/

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Giganews 2 week free trial ;)

Thanks Skizo. I'll take a look when I have the time cause I also need to ckeck some tutorials to remember how things are done!

;)

If you have a slow upload then Usenet is still the best medium for downloading and very possibly the best method regardless. There are many reasonably priced Usenet providers out there such as Astraweb who offer unlimited or pay as you go plans. Using Newzbin (by far the best) with an app like Newsleecher is just like using a torrent site once you have download credit.

With the amount of time spent uploading to maintain a decent ratio and the electricity costs involved it can often work out cheaper to use Usenet, sometimes it's a false economy to use trackers, it's a much safer method, with almost guaranteed top download speeds and no tying the connection up for uploading.

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

OP is probably right but i doubt usenet could replace a tracker like Karagarga.
ok, i know usenet is full of classics and 'old films' but i don't think you can find as much rarities (experimental, independant productions, rare vhsrips) as on KG.

anyway, it's certainly the best alternative.

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Check it out, I don't know what karagarga is, but they've got it in a.b.karagarga.

https://www.binsearch.info/browse.ph...all=1&server=2

well, karagarga (KG) is more than a simple tracker, it's also a community of cinephiles focused on non-mainstream films: independent flicks, arthouse, experimental, documentaries, shorts films etc...
even if usenet has many rarities, i doubt it will eve reach the ~60.000 torrents collected by karagarga in 3 years.

that said, i'm pretty sure usenet can be suitable for most torrent users.

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Originally Posted by mikeHD

In this thread, ...

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In this post, I will tell you the first rule of usenet:
You do not talk about usenet.

Do you want heat on usenet or torrents?

Wow someone finally posted about not talking about usenet. That took longer than I expected. :lol:

Maybe its just me but edonkey works as well for me as usenet and i dont have to pay for it . for rest of the stuff bittorrent is great

I would try it but I don't know how to use it and don't want to waste any money if i can't figure it out. Maybe if I find a tutorial somewhere

You can get a free trial deal on Giganews or another provider. It's actually very easy to use, and I'm sure there are many tutorials in this forum.

I probably should not say this as i am a tracker owner lol

but i have been using usenet for the best part of 5 years, the only tracker i am actually on is mine, and if i had found usenet 6 months sooner, i would not have even started BCG.

so i think that says it all, from my POV.

Ever since I tried Usenet I've been pretty hooked on it. I can see how a lot of people can be put off on it though. If they don't understand retention, then they can try to grab something that is out of that retention and the files not work for them. Which I think may have happened in bikenters case. I think if he tries a reputable provider instead of Usenext then he would have a different outlook.

But then as cinephillia mentioned, there are some dedicated trackers that I think are better than Usenet. For him it's KG(and all those rare, older movies). For me it's the lossless trackers. But for games, most movies, tv, I definitely think Usenet is the better way to go.