Have you ever been banned UNFAIRLY from a tracker?

With the all-too-frequent complaints from individuals who "never did anything wrong, BUT found themselves banned" threads popping up, I got the idea for this poll.

Have you been banned UNFAIRLY from a tracker?

And let's stipulate the difference between BANNED and INACTIVE. This is about being falsely accused, or not.

PLEASE do not use this as a thread to badmouth any trackers or staff, this poll is simply a survey to indicate what percentage of the BT community believes to have been wronged at any time.

Please feel free to discuss the poll, but consider discussion of individual trackers and their staff as OFF TOPIC. I will ask that all flaming of trackers and staff be deleted from this thread.

Thanks!

Votes are confidential on this one. Feel free to be completely honest. :)

I have not (yet).

The OP should kinda give the discussion a start, though, no?

Yes I have.
But as you ask to not badmouth sites, I will refrain from insulting some pals of yours.

Nope, never been banned from any tracker...

This is simply a way to survey the users of the BT community as to who feel they have been wrongfully kicked from a site. Many posters here get battered when they post topics that are specific to a particular incident and tracker, but this is meant to be a birds-eye view of the community.

I have a hard time believing (m)any of the posters who make such allegations. I have yet to be banned or even face conflict with staff anywhere. Am I in the minority? Are many of these claims credible?

I am truly curious about this and think there is some valuable data to be collected. We'll see...

Thanks again!

i've been banned from a shitty french tracker after saying to an admin that i registered to leech stuff, not to pal up with other members on the shoutbox :(

Yup

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

i've been banned from a shitty french tracker after saying to an admin that i registered to leech stuff, not to pal up with other members on the shoutbox :(

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that's a serious confession there, your fault. :ermm:

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

i've been banned from a shitty french tracker after saying to an admin that i registered to leech stuff, not to pal up with other members on the shoutbox :(

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that's a serious confession there, your fault. :ermm:

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did i break any rules? the answer is no. i've just been franck with him :idunno:

the poll options are not clear. If someone was only ever banned for cause, they would qualify for option 2) No i have not (been UNFAIRLY banned) and option 3) banned for my own fault. Further, option 4 doesn't specify whether it refers to reinstatement after a fair or an unfair banning.

I got disabled at some site with the acromyn RTS when I was a noob. It wasnt runningthescene it was some other site although I cant even recall the name. If I remember correctly the site started you with a negative buffer (2 gigs down, 0 up i think). I downloaded something, then a week or two later I went back and was ip banned :lol:. Didnt bother me at all to be honest.

Other than that, I guess I have been "lucky" enough to stay clear of being banned. It really isnt that difficult. Just dont break the rules or act like a fool. If you cant refrain from acting up, just keep to yourself and download/seed.

Im sure a few ppl have been disabled unjustly. But not nearly as many that claim to be victims here.

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Originally Posted by kurdt

the poll options are not clear. If someone was only ever banned for cause, they would qualify for option 2) No i have not (been UNFAIRLY banned) and option 3) banned for my own fault. Further, option 4 doesn't specify whether it refers to reinstatement after a fair or an unfair banning.

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I thought it would be clear, but this is only my second poll.

Here is how I break the options down:

Yes, I have been banned unfairly.

No, I have never been banned unfairly.

I have been banned, but I was at fault. I moved on.

I was banned, but was able to work things out with staff and get reinstated. No admission of guilt necessary (either way), IMO. If you still harbor resentment after being reinstated, then they probably should not have been so generous.

Hope this clears things up (as to my perceptions of the poll) a bit.

And, just like those fill-in the dot multiple choice tests at school, pick the one that BEST fits your situation.

Fair enuf... post deleted.

i was banned at sct a few times for redistributing "their" packs. what i mean by that is they would upload a pack that was made by some other group and throw on "-sct" at the end and then think that they own it. if a capper for a specific site uploads something he encoded and he asks for it to not go on another site i will respect that and not touch it but stealing a pack from somewhere and throwing -sct on the end doesnt mean you own it. i told them this and they disabled me twice over the course of a year but i had plenty of friends who agreed with me and didnt mind inviting me back. i liked sct for certain reasons and wish they were still here but the site going down did give me some sort of evil satisfaction. i wont say if it was unfair or not, some agree that they had retarded rules when it came to other peoples packs that they put their name on and some people think that they paid for access so it is theirs. to that though i would say that i got invited to sct from people who paid for invites so my access to them was paid for and i should get to do what they did. basically that rule of theirs was insanely hypocritical and they didnt like it when i pointed that out to them.

Yes, I have been banned unfairly.

Hang on, P2PDog and Grow4Dough...yeah, I just checked the title of this thread and I was correct. It is not, "Has P2PDog and Grow4Dough ever gotten a hurt butt?". Nope.

The correct title is, "Have you ever been unfairly banned from a tracker?".

Again, we are not looking for individual stories, just community experiences. The individual is not important this time, rather the community. Talk of TrackerX, or Y, is unimportant.

There are plenty of other places to complain about hurt butts and abuses of power. Heck, start your own thread...

FWIW, I wasn't butthurt over either account. I was simply giving explanations along with my vote. It's your poll, if you don't want discussion, that's fine with me.

Yes, I have been unfairly banned before.

Nothing personal, P2pDog. Please feel free to talk about the poll or trackers in general. I don't see any value in this becoming a free-for-all chance to bad-mouth trackers. There have been many, many threads that have already done that.

And I do apologize if my wording upset you. I am trying to keep this thread fro snowballing into that sort of thing.

If this does become a complaint forum, I will have it deleted. I get annoyed when I see people bad-mouthing sites and their staff in other threads, I won't create a forum for it.

Thanks...

EDIT: Soz MBM mate... have removed my reply, in line with the topic of the thread... it probably wasn't relevant :)

Yes I have, but I didn't dwell on It, It's water under the bridge.
It was they're tracker they can do what they like there.

nope, im a good boy :D

yes, I got booted twice (over my 3 year BT life)but I am not good at IRC chatting (hate the format) and I never asked for my account back or to explain the situation.

I had an account at awesomehd and they had a forum to give away invites to other trackers. I gave away an invite to one site and the dude asked me if I needed an invite to a site (he listed 4-5 sites) One of the sites was one I wanted so I said sure send me one. He sent me the invite and then reported me to admin. Yes I broke there rules and I got my ip banned.

As I have previously stated in a long post I don't think there is anything wrong with trading invites for the purpose of both people getting into a site they want to use. I am against collecting sites and selling invites/accounts. I like to trade books, clothes, jokes, wives (only with my one friend who has a pornstar looking wife.... yeah it is in my dreams)

THere is nothing wrong with disagreeing over a site's rules. You can choose to break some of there rules but if u get caught.... take your medicine and move on.

When the cop waits at the bottom of a steep hill in the middle of nowhere to catch u speeding u get nabbed ( at least I have a couple of times). I disagreed with the officer about the validity of the ticket but I didn't yell or swear and i paid the ticket.

What i would like to see is people more accountable for there mistakes. Don't try to cheat,dupe, lie your way back into a tracker. Yes u may be able to do it but its slimy.

I imagine being an admin at one of these sites is tough. Must be kind of like being an insurance adjuster. You have so many people lying to u all the time that u lump the good ones in with the bad.

Yeah, from cossanostra by theDevil as far as I remember, or some other cunt. Reason: someother cunt from fst who accused me in public. But I got over it.

Merry Christhmas

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Yeah, from cossanostra by theDevil as far as I remember, or some other cunt. Reason: someother cunt from fst who accused me in public. But I got over it.

Merry Christhmas

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You did? :O
Who would say...

The question is: are you still a shitbag?

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Originally Posted by ovisan

The question is: are you still a shitbag?

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That makes you a liar. :happy:

I was banned, but was able to work things out with the staff and get reinstated.
Exept that one, I didn't got any ban

We have seen A LOT of threads created for purposes of bitching about individual sites/staff- this is not one of those.

Let's take this opportunity to look at the data coming in. So far, it seems that more people have, at one time, felt that they were banned unfairly.

Questions:

What system(s) can be put in place so that this happens less?

Supposedly, the US Justice System is designed so that "100 guilty men will be set free instead of one innocent man being found guilty". Does this idea apply to BT, why or why not?

Should there be some form of appeal forum available (not the open "poor me" style we have seen here)? How would/could this be implemented?


I would like to bring these ideas to the table as an example of what can be discussed once we start looking outside of the "I was..." perspective. Let's look at the BIG picture here. Let's think macro-...

I would also like to thank the BT staff who generously donate their time to make this community possible. You face a lot of "yes or no" decisions and have a fantastic rate of being correct! Far too often that is missed when things are seen on a micro- level as well.

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Originally Posted by ovisan

The question is: are you still a shitbag?

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That makes you a liar. :happy:

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Don't really get it but Merry Christhmas mate! I will be here to bitch you even more next year. Have a nice Christmas dinner.

Banned from ScT too, for uploading a rom pack to another tracker, months after I had downloaded it from ScT. No big deal, but I was offered 3 invites from different friends to get back into ScT.

I've been banned twice, once was unfair, another time I invited like 3 cheaters and they disabled me, eventually got my account reinstated after apologizing. Only invited IRL friends after that point.

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I've been banned twice, once was unfair, another time I invited like 3 cheaters and they disabled me, eventually got my account reinstated after apologizing. Only invited IRL friends after that point.

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3 cheeters? Lord, I would be ashamed to shou my mug in there again!

I have to say tat I have also been banned at funfile for trying a cheating software... About 3 years ago and I still feel ashamed for what I ve done. There is another of my accounts banned for trying to give it in here while they were still on open signups :D. Those were my early days anyways, now i just wait for them to close their doors and go straight to ebay!

Nope. I was banned from RevTT for ratio issues, and two to three other sites for inactivity.

Mega,
I think u have a good concept but I don't think most trackers admin would let the final decision out of there hands. Maybe if the person has been an active member ( at least 50 posts) of this site in a positive manner then if they get banned for what they feel is unfair reasons they could forward there issue to a sticky thread in the general bittorent section titled

"Banned for unknown reason"

I don;t know how many people here who somewhat regularily post are banned. I have no idea if it would be one post a day or more ? less? . If it was a manageable amount (not 5 a day) then maybe an admin here if they felt that the person posting had a case could talk on there behalf to the admin at the site they were banned from.

At least with this the person would be judged on there behaviour over months at a time with numerous posts. Maybe this is a ton of work for admin who are volunteers and wouldn't want to be bothered. I don't know.

Nope, never so much as had a warning on any site in 4+ years.

Had a few randomly signed up for accounts disabled for inactivity, and seen a fair number of sites i used to use shut down, but never even come close to being banned anywhere, fairly or not. I guess with all these rampaging egotistical staff members out there I keep hearing about, who are just itching to ban people for no good reason, I must have been extraordinarily lucky.....

...... or maybe I just don't routinely break site rules?

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Questions:

[1] What system(s) can be put in place so that this happens less?

[2] Supposedly, the US Justice System is designed so that "100 guilty men will be set free instead of one innocent man being found guilty". Does this idea apply to BT, why or why not?

[3] Should there be some form of appeal forum available (not the open "poor me" style we have seen here)? How would/could this be implemented?


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1. there should be a way to be notified that you are being suspected of breaking the rules, and an opportunity to defend yourself before being banned

2. the bt system is more like the French guilty till proven innocent system, probably because there's not enough resources to investigate every violation thoroughly and the risk a rule breaker poses to the site can be high and the loss of a potential good member isn't considered that great of a loss to a sought after tracker.

3. there are com reps on this forum and others like it. some boards even have a tracker support section

My thanks to the last 3 posters. I appreciate you looking at this as a community issue.

I am certainly not advocating that sites and their staff should give up any of their rights. I am simply pondering whether or not there is something that can/should be done in the community.

There are a lot of people who use BT. Some of them chose to break rules. However, there are those (few) who do fall through the cracks. Some of these people take every opportunity (even if is expressly stated as unwelcome) to spew venom at that site. Injustice stings. A lot. I can tell you details of every traffic citation I have ever received that I feel was bogus. I won't do that though.

When we look at the individual cases, there really is not a whole lot of sympathy we can muster. However, something like this poll can shed some light on the possibility of errors in the system.

Take it for what it's worth, but I see some potential here. Or, people can just bitch, ineffectively...

The poll asks quite a difficult question. I think that for certain situations, it's hard to define what's fair and what's unfair, so I won't vote for any option given in the poll.

It does ask for one's opinion, OlegL. If people feel they were unjustly treated, that's one thing. I see some value in knowing how large that population is. And, from what we are seeing, it is a SUBSTANTIAL part of the community.

I just don't want all of the individual stories to cloud that information. FAR more people want to complain about something than say everything is ok. There is no story when everything has gone well, it is a BIG story when thing go "wrong".

If you believe you were unfairly banned, you should vote. You also have the other options. Pick the one that fits best with your situation.

BTW, this is not saying that the community (trackers) has done a bad job. A member may have been on 100 trackers over the years, but only got banned once. That is a fantastic record, but the experience did happen AT LEAST THE ONE TIME. I am curious how many have had that particular experience. Maybe it will tell us something, maybe not.