A disclaimer

Although this isn't exactly the proper section for it apparently few members venture anywhere else so.......
I just want to publicly give a disclaimer that while I don't entirely see the harm I'm also not in total agreement with posting reviews of sites that would prefer not to be thus exposed.

I mean you can argue the fact that it allows people the opportunity to then decide what sites they might in the future like to be members of,but honestly what point is there to "target" something that collectively we have little or no chance to ever be a part of .
The only thing that I see coming out of it is a lot of sour grapes and wasted time.Not something I think this ,or any , site needs to purposely propagate.

Btw this isn't a reaction that anyone ,anywhere said to me . I ,as stated , just don't believe it is the healthiest thing for people to concern themselves with.

PS if anyone bt staff or otherwise think this is a attempt to" suck up" they may respectfully go fuck themselves.

I think this is a positive message IdolEyes787....

As many people know trackers seem to be declining, many have gone down for various reasons.. It should be everyone's concern to take care of the existing trackers that remain. Places like this have long argued that people have they right to know all about each trackers and that if tracker staff didn't like it they could take a hike! and the site was deemed l33tist, and therefor the subject of vicious verbal and personal attacks..
the problem with that mentality these days is that the authorities use sites like these and other tracker review/info update sites against us.. and as a result trackers are disappearing.. but, there are other issues that can be involved also.. but, still ..
I think that if people want to continue using trackers, they may do better with at least not bringing attention to our community.. trackers come and go, TRUE... but, these days more are going than coming.. Think about that..

I agree. Seriously if you get banned from a site that wishes to remain secret, do us all a favour and take it like a man, don't respond in such a childish way. That simply validates their idea to ban you in the first place.

All these reviews do is create a bunch of hype over trackers that don't deserve said hype or want nothing to do with it. Ditto with the WTAW thread. When you realize that a tracker is better based on its content and members, not on how hard it is to join, I think you'll find torrenting much more fulfilling ;)

Edit: With that said I feel that tracker staff should be making their own minimalistic reviews of their sites to at least disspell the hype and rumours, since I think one of the problem with the so called "high level trackers" is that people try to join them while knowing nothing about them. However, that should be their decision, not yours.

snap.

I'm on the fence about this. I do agree that these reviews can lead to the over hyping of some trackers, but FST was built on freedom to share information about all types of filesharing and sites. To censor information because a site wants you to, why not go all the way and get rid of the trading seciton as well? Trackers dont want that here, and it also leads to many 'sour grapes' as well, dont you think?

Take the good with the bad IMO, leave things as they are.

Personally I think that new type of idea they were working on implementing over a year ago was a step in the right direction.
Forget what it was called.
It has the sites acronyms, users, pretimes etc.. all listed.
(Although most of the info was incorrect for alot of sites.)
It was a good idea. Maybe they could take it a step farther and maybe list the type of files the sites get too.
For instance you see X site has good pretimes but you only download HD files. You wouldn't exactly go looking for a waffles account whatever their lvl is because its music.
(Would make alot more sense listing by content and not by what the invites are worth to traders.)

Another disclaimer.

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Originally Posted by Tokeman

, why not go all the way and get rid of the trading seciton as well? Trackers dont want that here, and it also leads to many 'sour grapes' as well, dont you think?

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Fine by me and since you apparently think I have the power I'll also get rid of all stupidity and pettiness and end world hunger too while I'm at .

@ MM I thought that was a step in the right direction as well . I also believe ( although I could be wrong)lthat it was Detale's idea.

I was simply pointing out that if you start censoring, where do you draw the line? If you start bending to trackers wishes where do you draw that line?
Yes, it was an absurd suggestion, and was ment to be taken as sarcasm, but I guess you missed that...

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Originally Posted by Pwner101

Personally I think that new type of idea they were working on implementing over a year ago was a step in the right direction.
Forget what it was called.
It has the sites acronyms, users, pretimes etc.. all listed.
(Although most of the info was incorrect for alot of sites.)
It was a good idea. Maybe they could take it a step farther and maybe list the type of files the sites get too.
For instance you see X site has good pretimes but you only download HD files. You wouldn't exactly go looking for a waffles account whatever their lvl is because its music.
(Would make alot more sense listing by content and not by what the invites are worth to traders.)

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Isn't it this what you are referring to?

But then people would realize that the best trackers are actually places like Torrents.ru and the traders would go out of business :o

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I guess you missed that...

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I miss a lot apparently.

It just boils down to this: "if you want something back from us (membership at our site) then respect our rules". Simple. Whether you agree or disagree with the wishes of a tracker is not really that significant, because many people have ALL sots of views on it (and seeming moral justifications for BOTH sides of the spectrum).

What I'm curoius at IdolEyes, is are you going to do anything about it or did you just open discussion about it?

Either way, I don't think anything at FST will change - everyone loves the hype too much, they love the juicy leaked info too much, the goss, the drama. I am sure FST will never change becuse everyone (sickeningly) loves it, whether openly or secretly.

FST is kinda like our collective guilty pleasure, it's the Soho of the bt world, and although I could do without it (and wish its tracker-unfriendly elements didn't exist), I won't hide the fact that I taste of its guilty pleasures just like everybody else does, while it IS here.

But to be staff here is completely different, IdolEyes787...

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-a-disclaimer-post3382695/postcount7

You know it would make my life a whole lot happier easier if people bothered to actually read previous posts before commenting.

It have been brought up numerous times to the powers that be that FST doesn't exist in a vacuum but they have formed over time their own opinions that apparently aren't going to change .
I on the other hand believe that listening to other peoples concerns is not some juvenile sign of "weakness" but rather of a demonstration of your commonsense .

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-a-d...18/postcount12

It would save me a lot of time if people actually read my posts *properly* before commenting. ;)

I just SAID myself that FST won't change, lol...I left it open to ANY sort of action that you could take (to put your own philosophies into practice), and what I was more meaning was something like leaving staff, actually. (what else can you do, in terms of taking action [if you DO want to take action)?)

Discussion is nice, even though, er, it's been done to death (and back)...but it's nice to see your view and your concerns. But I wonder if you'll end up leaving staff like Detale...

Where WTAW thread is it? :frusty:

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Where WTAW thread is it? :frusty:

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Seek & ye shall find.......

seriously it's a sticky thread at the top of the trade section.

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

I agree. Seriously if you get banned from a site that wishes to remain secret, do us all a favour and take it like a man, don't respond in such a childish way. That simply validates their idea to ban you in the first place.

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this.

My reaction to this has always been: what makes some sites so special? I mean, why do some sites need to be referred to with asterisks and some sites can be talked about openly. Also, the same goes for screen shots and reviews.

Please no one say tracker rules, every site I belong to has a clause somewhere in their rules to not openly discuss the site.. but people only respect the wishes of some of those sites.. I don't care how "rare" your tracker is or if you think that your tracker is the shit or you think you are special, all sites are the same and should be treated as such.

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My reaction to this has always been: what makes some sites so special? I mean, why do some sites need to be referred to with asterisks and some sites can be talked about openly. Also, the same goes for screen shots and reviews.

Please no one say tracker rules, every site I belong to has a clause somewhere in their rules to not openly discuss the site.. but people only respect the wishes of some of those sites.. I don't care how "rare" your tracker is or if you think that your tracker is the shit or you think you are special, all sites are the same and should be treated as such.

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Then the reverse is surely true, if you see all sites as the same, why did you trade for them, or did they once have a value to you but no longer ?
I don't mean this question with any sort of malice truly, it just seems to me that your position now, and your former position as a trader are diametrically opposed ?

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Originally Posted by dvdasacd

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-a-d...18/postcount12

It would save me a lot of time if people actually read my posts *properly* before commenting. ;)

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If you learned how to express yourself a little more clearly then maybe I wouldn't have to .:P

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Originally Posted by puckface

My reaction to this has always been: what makes some sites so special? I mean, why do some sites need to be referred to with asterisks and some sites can be talked about openly. Also, the same goes for screen shots and reviews.

Please no one say tracker rules, every site I belong to has a clause somewhere in their rules to not openly discuss the site.. but people only respect the wishes of some of those sites.. I don't care how "rare" your tracker is or if you think that your tracker is the shit or you think you are special, all sites are the same and should be treated as such.

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Some places for whatever reason, right or wrong , don't want the exposure while others couldn't care less and some even welcome the publicity .
I mean if you were to ask someone very nicely not to do something( however innocuous) and they went ahead and did it anyway what would your opinion of them be?That's all I'm really getting at here, otherwise I couldn't agree more with you.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Some places for whatever reason, right or wrong , don't want the exposure while others couldn't care less and some even welcome the publicity .
I mean if you were to ask someone very nicely not to do something( however innocuous) and they went ahead and did it anyway what would your opinion of them be?That's all I'm really getting at here, otherwise I couldn't agree more with you.

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And I agree with you, just an alternate point.

Whatever it's not like they traded Ian White.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Whatever it's not like they traded Ian White.

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Yeah what the hell was that?

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Originally Posted by puckface

My reaction to this has always been: what makes some sites so special? I mean, why do some sites need to be referred to with asterisks and some sites can be talked about openly. Also, the same goes for screen shots and reviews.

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I think its called common courtesy. If a site asks for anonymity why not give it to them. What is the point of posting a review or the full name of a site that most members here are not going to get into anyway.

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Originally Posted by puckface

Please no one say tracker rules, every site I belong to has a clause somewhere in their rules to not openly discuss the site.. but people only respect the wishes of some of those sites.. I don't care how "rare" your tracker is or if you think that your tracker is the shit or you think you are special, all sites are the same and should be treated as such.

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You've been around long enough that you should have realised by now that tracker staff don't want their sites to be "rare"....and not all sites are the same. Most of what you would call "rare" sites have a lot less members than those who don't care about publicity. There is a different atmosphere on these sites and they want it to stay that way.

Seems like you are looking at it from a traders perspective not a members perspective.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Whatever it's not like they traded Ian White.

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Yeah what the hell was that?

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I think they got fed up with the way they would post something and like a page later he would post the exact same thing.

The whole "I'm a fucking badass for posting images against tracker wishes behind a fake name, my e-peen is 20 feet long" mentality is the real problem. Really, what's the point of exposing them if they'd rather be left alone? So it can be added to WTAW for more traders to slobber over?

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Originally Posted by ghurka

I think its called common courtesy. If a site asks for anonymity why not give it to them. What is the point of posting a review or the full name of a site that most members here are not going to get into anyway.

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Originally Posted by puckface

Please no one say tracker rules, every site I belong to has a clause somewhere in their rules to not openly discuss the site.. but people only respect the wishes of some of those sites.. I don't care how "rare" your tracker is or if you think that your tracker is the shit or you think you are special, all sites are the same and should be treated as such.

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You've been around long enough that you should have realised by now that tracker staff don't want their sites to be "rare"....and not all sites are the same. Most of what you would call "rare" sites have a lot less members than those who don't care about publicity. There is a different atmosphere on these sites and they want it to stay that way.

Seems like you are looking at it from a traders perspective not a members perspective.

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Common courtesy I have no problem with, I just have a problem with courtesy for some and not for others.

Secondly, I used "rare", but I did use other descriptors so please read my whole post, it would be appreciated. My point, in case you missed it is the same as above, why are some sites special and some not?

My post was just a simple comment on equality, if you need to look deeper into it, then so be it.

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Originally Posted by puckface

Yeah what the hell was that?

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I think they got fed up with the way they would post something and like a page later he would post the exact same thing.

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Phaneuf does that shit all the time, its just gonna make matters worse (for that particular instance)

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

The whole "I'm a fucking badass for posting images against tracker wishes behind a fake name, my e-peen is 20 feet long" mentality is the real problem. Really, what's the point of exposing them if they'd rather be left alone? So it can be added to WTAW for more traders to slobber over?

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How would it increase your "e-peen" if it's under a fake nick? If I were to post a review, it would be an exposing one for a site with staff who are self righteous ego ridden fucks. But luckily other people will post reviews for those sites, and I can be lazy about it and do nothing.

FST: The place where trackers rules are ignored.

Nothing wrong with that; but there is nothing right about it; just different.

Maybe true in some ways but not by all members! It is a forum with a lot of members, options.

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Originally Posted by TP635

FST: The place where trackers rules are ignored.

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I am feeling your penises are turning into pussies :-s

It has not occurred to me prior to this, but FST is more of an information source than it is any kind of club. With journalism comes a variety of lines- Do we care about and confirm our sources? Do we put our sponsors above our readers? Do we honor an individual's/group's right to privacy? Is there such a thing as privacy? Who has the right to know? Is there a right to know anything?

Many of these questions have been looming in the background for quite a while. With change comes a re-invigoration of these questions.

I don't believe anyone has a definitive answer. A quick scan of the evening "news" shows the direction of journalism as a whole. Controversy sells. We cast our votes for sensationalism and tabloid journalism every time we indulge in that kind of guilty pleasure; we support it every time we spread rumors and gossip ourselves.

I do think the makeup of the membership here will be a result of how the answers regarding privacy are presented in the form of site policies. Does the info-seeking community's desire to know outweigh the site creators' interest to remain private? Which choices will bring in and retain the most members on FST? Should FST give credibility to and/or a platform for scorned ex-members?

Personally, I favor an individual's rights to privacy and carry that over to site ownership. I am certain that no one would want their personal information spread around as freely as sites have their content and makeup handed out. In this community, there are substantial personal risks for staffing and/or owning a site. Should these costs be ignored for the benefit of quick info?

In terms of membership quality, I don't think quick and easy equates to better, more trustworthy, or long-lasting. I believe there is benefit in having members who stick around and enjoy being part of the greater community. For those who do, the answers become available. The alternative seems to be people who favor quick, easy answers, and consequently, easy access to the community. I do not think there is reason to believe these in-and-out members will show any kind of longevity on FST, either.

All this said, FST has rights to pursue its interests as well. If current decisions have a substantial effect on membership, either positive or negative, it will be up to the staff and owners to make further changes. FST is a center-point in the file-sharing community- that is one thing I do not see, or want to see, change any time soon!

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I am feeling your penises are turning into pussies :-s

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Wow ! I can actually see the I.Q. points disappearing.......

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The whole "I'm a fucking badass for posting images against tracker wishes behind a fake name, my e-peen is 20 feet long" mentality is the real problem. Really, what's the point of exposing them if they'd rather be left alone? So it can be added to WTAW for more traders to slobber over?

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How would it increase your "e-peen" if it's under a fake nick? If I were to post a review, it would be an exposing one for a site with staff who are self righteous ego ridden fucks. But luckily other people will post reviews for those sites, and I can be lazy about it and do nothing.

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His "friends" would know about it...you always tell someone when you screw up.

Idol rocks BTW.

well, let's not turn this discussion into disagreement ... i think IdolEyes is on to something positive.. no need for people to start getting defensive..

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I am feeling your penises are turning into pussies :-s

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Wow ! I can actually see the I.Q. points disappearing.......

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ok! so you indeed are a big fat lady, pls count the iq that's in my pants.. hey mommy how much how much do I have? :shifty:

Mucho luv for ma hooligans.

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Originally Posted by puckface

My reaction to this has always been: what makes some sites so special? I mean, why do some sites need to be referred to with asterisks and some sites can be talked about openly. Also, the same goes for screen shots and reviews.

Please no one say tracker rules, every site I belong to has a clause somewhere in their rules to not openly discuss the site.. but people only respect the wishes of some of those sites.. I don't care how "rare" your tracker is or if you think that your tracker is the shit or you think you are special, all sites are the same and should be treated as such.

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Then the reverse is surely true, if you see all sites as the same, why did you trade for them, or did they once have a value to you but no longer ?
I don't mean this question with any sort of malice truly, it just seems to me that your position now, and your former position as a trader are diametrically opposed ?

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Didn't see this yesterday so excuse my delayed response. Firstly, who said my position of a trader was former or current? Whether I do or don't has no bearing on this discussion. But I will answer that they are not opposed since the reason I ever did trade was due to curiosity and the easiest way of obtaining a cure to said curiosity. I still see noting wrong with it.

Having a "value" as you put it is merely a measure of how difficult it is to enter a certain tracker is what I think you meant. I can understand that reaction, but the point here is privacy matters not value. Shouldn't all trackers have their privacy wishes granted and some others not? Or should it be a free for all? These are questions that I cannot answer for myself, they are just something to think about as I stated somewhere earlier. Lots of people break tracker rules everyday here, who am I to say what is right and wrong, all Im saying is that we do it equally.

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well, let's not turn this discussion into disagreement ... i think IdolEyes is on to something positive.. no need for people to start getting defensive..

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Wow ! I can actually see the I.Q. points disappearing.......

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.............pls count the iq that's in my pants.. hey mommy how much how much do I have? :shifty:

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That is indeed a putdown! Wow, I'm trembling. So they hit you with the stupid stick not once but twice ?

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Then the reverse is surely true, if you see all sites as the same, why did you trade for them, or did they once have a value to you but no longer ?
I don't mean this question with any sort of malice truly, it just seems to me that your position now, and your former position as a trader are diametrically opposed ?

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........Firstly, who said my position of a trader was former or current?

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You have several times, in your own posts.

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Originally Posted by puckface

Having a "value" as you put it is merely a measure of how difficult it is to enter a certain tracker

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This is not my value system, this is the value system placed on trackers by those who wish to enter them based on their 'rarity'.

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Originally Posted by puckface

Lots of people break tracker rules everyday here, who am I to say what is right and wrong, all Im saying is that we do it equally.

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So if I understand you correctly we should go for the lowest common denominator, i.e. not respect any tracker wishes at all, the url, internal screens, and all other relevant information should be public ? Doesn't really make them much of a private tracker then does it? Or should every tracker get rid of this silly invite system and just open registrations already ?

Without having read all the comments i'd like to make an input without getting into the above crossfire;

I do agree at some points with you IdolEyes. Although, you still have to put in consideration that these trackers, even though they are 'private' aren't as private as some of them would like to be.

With the enourmous interest from people who don't know anything about trackers, what they do or provide or even what they stand for - and then hear from somewhere that tracker A is much better than tracker B some sort of curiosity comes up.

And also there are som who's been using e.g. Tracker B for three years, and now that person realises that Tracker B isn't sufficient for his needs, where will he go to be provided with the information he needs?

From my point of view 'everyone' is needed to create a good tracker, but of course there's always some rotten eggs....

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Originally Posted by dvdasacd

It just boils down to this: "if you want something back from us (membership at our site) then respect our rules". Simple. Whether you agree or disagree with the wishes of a tracker is not really that significant, because many people have ALL sots of views on it (and seeming moral justifications for BOTH sides of the spectrum).

What I'm curoius at IdolEyes, is are you going to do anything about it or did you just open discussion about it?

Either way, I don't think anything at FST will change - everyone loves the hype too much, they love the juicy leaked info too much, the goss, the drama. I am sure FST will never change becuse everyone (sickeningly) loves it, whether openly or secretly.

FST is kinda like our collective guilty pleasure, it's the Soho of the bt world, and although I could do without it (and wish its tracker-unfriendly elements didn't exist), I won't hide the fact that I taste of its guilty pleasures just like everybody else does, while it IS here.

But to be staff here is completely different, IdolEyes787...

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Originally Posted by dvdasacd

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-a-d...18/postcount12

It would save me a lot of time if people actually read my posts *properly* before commenting. ;)

I just SAID myself that FST won't change, lol...I left it open to ANY sort of action that you could take (to put your own philosophies into practice), and what I was more meaning was something like leaving staff, actually. (what else can you do, in terms of taking action [if you DO want to take action)?)

Discussion is nice, even though, er, it's been done to death (and back)...but it's nice to see your view and your concerns. But I wonder if you'll end up leaving staff like Detale...

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it's sad how people spend their time ratiocinating/caviling about such insignificant ethical questions like we were talking about a vital matter.
i know this is the kind of attitude a certain fringe of the bt users love to adopt (some veterans torrenters/members of 'cool' private forums) but still, it still get on my nerves.