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Last year we suddenly all received the news of large sites and important source of our information suddenly closed. Over the years, the fight against sharing/BT in world got stronger and more aggressive, so what does that mean? Are we approaching the end of an era Torrents? What do you think?
Yes. Nothing last forever, but as sure as BT death is nearing, some form of p2p will take over.
no its not dying in the near future,10's of sites opening each day,but maybe in some countires torrenting would be made harder,but there are always ways around it.i think
If torrenting ever ended, I think I'd cry (seriously). :cry:
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Originally Posted by karachidude
It will surely be the hottest target in the coming years, for a fair number of reasons.
From taking up much of the available bandwidth of the ISPs, with so much centralized contents (making it easy to cut the dragon's head), from petty fights between the owners of those sites who thrive sharing everyone's information, being extremely easy to join any tracker (two of the ones that closed last year were supposed to be secretive).
I've used pretty much every available filesharing protocol and followed their "scene", and if there's one I wouldn't miss is bt. (well, I would miss it. For the lulz it provided).
Don't you use BT for almost all of your downloads?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
I use all BT torrent sites myself and warez-bb once in a blue moon. I would die with BT I think lol.
...Anywho back on the topic of BT going down.. The only way they will ever stop BT is if they just start taking tons of people to court.
You shut one site down.... We move to the next one... this will happen forever (not to sound unsympathetic because I have great respect for sites that get shut down)
No I no longer do. I barely use bt nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls you
Blame it on FST. It showed me the darkest corners of that world. If you took a look at the report section, you would agree with me without a blink.
No. BT takes a heavy toll on the ISPs infrastructures. Hence all the conversation about traffic shaping and download limits. And it doesn't stop growing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls you
If it will collapse, it will be due to the ISPs closing the tap.
Piracy will not go away, that much I'm certain of. Different means may arise, because the drive to pirate will always remain stronger than the drive to wipe us out. We are far more motivated to get our stuff for free, than the handful of file-cops are to catch/burn individual file sharers.
What works in our favour is that the ease or difficulty of torrenting depends a great deal on where you're from.
Im fortunate that my country doesn't try to impose the death penalty on BT users.
Gotta love it :) Viva la Pirates !!!
What do you use now adays then?Quote:
Originally Posted by CabaloNo I no longer do. I barely use bt nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls you
Blame it on FST. It showed me the darkest corners of that world. If you took a look at the report section, you would agree with me without a blink.
There are bad people where every you go, although I have no idea what kind of stuff you are seeing in the report section that deters you from BT.
Its the fastest method of filesharing and pretty underground on most sites.
1. I use newsgroups and rapidshare. bt in less than 5% of my needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls you
2. FST reflects the good and the bad in bt. Though it's a forum not only for BT, 90%+ of the reports are bt related.
Everything circles around an unspoken economy. The "donations" for an invite; trading sites because some are harder to get into than others (basic economical principle); invites being sold left and right (many times to help pay an invite for an harder to get into site); people scamming each other and trading for the sole purpose of curiosity; most sites being ran by kids who have total disrespect for individual's privacy (see the infamous BT general thread); power hungry kids who use sites just for bragging rights, making them as bad as the traders they so much hate; forums about bt which are private (forum and private in the same sentence :unsure:) and where invites are pushed around like candy, with the trackers knowledge; pseudo-leet communities who think they run bt because the members are selected and have to follow rules of conduit everywhere, so they won't ruin everyone else's chances to join those same rare trackers; the seedbox business which thrives because everyone wants to achieve those high ranks in certain communities which will lead them to think they are good members and then can apply for even more sites (or trade those invites they get along the road); the amount of ass kissers who declared themselves anti-traders because it was a cool trend, when in the end all they want is to please some staffers who are then supposed to "trust" them; did I already mention the staff wars among trackers; users trying to catch other users trading just to show off so they can get invited somewhere else, and so on.
3. No it isn't. :noes: Newsgroups own it anytime, same happens with rapidshare accounts (though these can sometimes depend on the peering).
I thought you were like 100% BT man lol, sort of just blew my mind.
I agree with all the points you have listed in #2, as I have experienced it all just by being in the general Bt section for over 3 months.
I never used newsgroups ever so I can't compare, but I know torrents are alot faster than rapidshare for me.
I myself dislike BT when tracker staff is immature or power hungry. Especially when they are so full of themselves they forget why they initially made the site... to share files.
Don't know what BT sites you are on but newsgroups won't max out a gbit connection, a good BT site will. Not to mention newsgroups pretimes are generally slower than a fast BT tracker as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by CabaloQuote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls you
3. No it isn't. :noes: Newsgroups own it anytime, same happens with rapidshare accounts (though these can sometimes depend on the peering).
I'm not detached of bt at all. I just see it from a different perspective. One that doesn't please many of those who I have mentioned at #2, which represent 90% of the bt population I've met. :ermm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tv Controls you
I still try my best to make FST (and therefore, the bt community which communicates with this place) a forum where some can actually learn something. It's like fighting with windmills at times, but it's a responsibility of anyone who cares.
That doesn't mean I use that protocol too often. I was dumb enough to have rented seedboxes in the past and donated to sites who were not worthy. I spent my fair amount of time involved deep in that "bt economy".
I just took a breath and thought: what the fuck is this? Is this any worth? My time and my money? No.
FST on the other hand, serves a different purpose. I "donate" my time to this place, and it's well worth it. This forum made me laugh more times than I can remember. It's pure entertainment being a member here. :)
Do you have a home gigabit connection? I thought so...Quote:
Originally Posted by RexNex
Try downloading any .torrent over a couple months old and then compare.
I'm sure any file I download from newsgroups will maximize my home line. With bt that doesn't happen. Therefore, as a end user, newsgroups is way faster than bt. Simple logic. Everything else are bt economics which are ridiculous.
newsgroups are inferior to BT....
BT wont stop, and you that dont want to "donate" your time and money in BT and instead waste your time with newsgroups will regret it in time to come.
Not everybody is sucked up in this so called "dark BT economy" well it is if you are part of it yourself, there will always be users/admins etc.. with bad intentions.... But the good or shall is say "normal" people will always outway the bad... If you emerge yourself in the bad parts of BT then too bad for you because your ruining it for yourself...
BT is great, all the people ive met are really cool down-to-earth people.
There is always a market for something, if there is a demand there will be a supplier, when and if isp's start blocking BT then a new one will emerge that doesnt...
BT wont die it will get stronger as time goes on.
keep talking trash .. you can only say one thing is inferior after making a comparision and i dont see you doing that .. r we supposed to believe it just cuz u say so?Quote:
Originally Posted by thizzkid
Your title is quite a relevant precursor to your posts i say
BT fanboi? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by thizzkid
This reminds me of the old Sega-Nintendo wars (allthough I was very young I read about them later).
Im shaking in my bootsQuote:
Originally Posted by apextwin146
First of all who is "we"...Quote:
Originally Posted by apextwin146
Anyways.., you or "yall" can believe what i say if you like. , im just trying to figure out how I could make somebody "believe" that BT is superior to newgroups as if such a thing can be a fact, it is my opinion...
newsgroup fanboi?
You can say that...Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Martinator
Great post. As one man said, this forum is the only true representation of BT community, and this community is full of shit. BT is not only being destroyed by outside (ISP caps and limits, courts, etc), but from inside too, by it's own community. IDK how it's gonna last, nobody knows, but the fact is that BT as we see it nowadays is diyng steadily. What will be next? Maybe BT will reorganize, maybe newsgroups will take its place... We'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
Im sorry, but i can not For the life of me figure out how this forum is a dead on representation of BT as a whole?...Quote:
Originally Posted by b3owulf
And the reference to BT being full of shit??
Where do you guys get this??
I dont get this AT ALL, my experience in BT.
Ofc if have came ocross my share of scammers/cheaters etc...
But thats only natural in any group of anything there will be a bad apple...
If its so full of shit why are you even posting a BT thread??
Orly? I see it getting stronger all the time, anything thrown at BT, BT surpasses, for example two prominent trackers died around the same time, and what happened??Quote:
Originally Posted by b3owulf
Trackers around the net welcomed them with open arms...
Cabalo already explained everything, see his post. And as for representations of community, heh :) This forum is the oldest one dedicated to filesharing. You wanna tell me about TPS and tR? They are too small. TPS is filed by hypocrites and collectors. tR.. I can't say a lot about it. Anyway, all the action is going here.Quote:
Originally Posted by thizzkidIm sorry, but i can not For the life of me figure out how this forum is a dead on representation of BT as a whole?...
And the reference to BT being full of shit??
Where do you guys get this??
I dont get this AT ALL, my experience in BT.
Ofc if have came ocross my share of scammers/cheaters etc...
But thats only natural in any group of anything there will be a bad apple...
If its so full of shit why are you even posting a BT thread??
Orly? I see it getting stronger all the time, anything thrown at BT, BT surpasses, for example two prominent trackers died around the same time, and what happened??Quote:
Originally Posted by b3owulf
Trackers around the net welcomed them with open arms...
As for your 2nd statement, if only someone wanted he could take down any major tracker, it's easy. The only problem is within the law system. Scene trackers with Scene axx and auto-bot can fall easily since they do host files on their servers (SURPRISE!).
You must be blind not to see everything.
Look Old skool style Sarcasm .. You would expect people to be a bit more original but kids these days :(Quote:
Originally Posted by thizzkid
"We" comprises of the informed/aware p2p users that just dont believe in something cuz some keyboard hugging twat said soQuote:
First of all who is "we"...Quote:
Originally Posted by apextwin146
Again your logical reasoning amazes me .. just cuz i rate Newsgroup higher than BT i must be a Newsgroup fanboi cuz there arnt any other p2p/file sharing protocols that existQuote:
newsgroup fanboi?
This made me LOL so hard its really not even funny any more.... :dry:Quote:
Originally Posted by b3owulf
EDIT: no its still funny
Well buddy you see, you yourself must be blind, because this is the beauty of BT, we do not need servers, and why? Because we as BT users are sharing files from one computer to the next, we dont rely on servers, if axx went down then it would be newsgroups that would die instantaneously, ill let you ponder on that... :whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by b3owulf
we already saw tpb being ip blocked at some traffic hub in NL or how does it called... right now there's no chain reaction with this ip blocking but when it'll start, bt will die very quickly
Well ima old school kinda guy..Quote:
Originally Posted by apextwin146
Hmm ill quote myself on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by apextwin146;
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Originally Posted by thizzkid
It was just a question... (you can tell by the question mark at the end ;))Quote:
Originally Posted by apextwin146
Well none worth mentioning...:whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by apextwin146
i knw itQuote:
Originally Posted by thizzkid
You have a right to opinon whereas we have a right to ignore baseless opinon .. You want to be heard and noticed support your opinion with some facts just dont randomly spew out shit cuz you have a keyboard and internet access ..Quote:
Hmm ill quote myself on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by apextwin146;
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Originally Posted by thizzkid
DumbASs it was one single statementQuote:
It was just a question... (you can tell by the question mark at the end ;))Quote:
Originally Posted by apextwin146
Well none worth mentioning...:whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by apextwin146
"just cuz i rate Newsgroup higher than BT i must be a Newsgroup fanboi cuz there arnt any other p2p/file sharing protocols that exist"
Re read it again slowly till it makes sense
apextwin146 I wish i was as cool as you...
^^ This post made my fucking day, thanks b3owulf...Quote:
Originally Posted by b3owulf
Please disable my account
^^ This post made my fucking day, thanks thizzkid...Quote:
Originally Posted by thizzkid
I don't see how a method that was here long before BT came about, and I'm sure will be around long after BT dies(not only that, but is faster and more secure), is "inferior". The only downfall of Usenet is that you have to actually pay for a good provider. But that one single little con by far outweighs all the many cons of BT, in my opinion. But everyone has their own views...Quote:
Originally Posted by thizzkid
We have to move the servers to India, or Afganisthan!
I don't know if torrenting is headed for death, but I do think that it's in a very steep downward spiral. I used to believe that the traders/cheaters/sellers/collectors were the problem with BT, but in reality, they're just a symptom of a broken system that encourages and allows them to do those things.
BT is supposed to be about sharing files, and having a bit of fun socializing while doing it. A LOT of people seem to have forgotten that.
In an attempt to meet senseless with sense..... if you don't like the board just stop using your account.Quote:
Originally Posted by thizzkidapextwin146 I wish i was as cool as you...
^^ This post made my fucking day, thanks b3owulf...Quote:
Originally Posted by b3owulf
Please disable my account
It's not like you're Nelson Mandela and making a political statement or anything.:unsure:
here in the states, isp's have tried on many occasions to step up security to stop the "tapping" into their lines. Hasnt worked yet, im still here. Even in the areas newly implemented, security measures have been compromised within days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
I use Rapidshare a lot.90%.Rest 10% I use 2 trackers What.CD and Animebyt.es.Sadly both need seedbox meh.Also if Karagara didnt have such a hard to seed system,I also would have used that too.Thinking of getting into Newsgroups since It makes much more sense than rapidshare.Giganews or Astraweb?Any suggestions?
Also the newly launched BTN looks promising.Ratio less trackers are always an attraction.hehe.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
w00t another top Troll for FST,thizzkid :D.
hope you dont quote that :lol:
Actually it worked fine, it was called "sandvine". Luckily that was declared unethical by the FCC and Comcast were forced to stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13here in the states, isp's have tried on many occasions to step up security to stop the "tapping" into their lines. Hasnt worked yet, im still here. Even in the areas newly implemented, security measures have been compromised within days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
BT will be around until all the countries agree to outlaw the sites, and webhosts just stop allowing them to exist. Even then, sites could still be put up under the guise of a mail site or any site with a member logon. BT will be around for many years to come, not much anyone can do about it in the short term.
This thread is the perfect example of what's wrong with the BT World.
1) Up from the top, thizzkid is 100% right in everything he said, I just don't understand why people think it's so cool nowadays to hate on a protocol that's been on the drawing boards before they were born. The problem is, bittorrent, according to recent statistics, could account for upto 55% of all INTERNET TRAFFIC. Just hating something based one side of it is ridiculous. All communities/protocols have their ups and their downs, and half the people that "prefer" a different protocol are yet to experience its negative side as well.
There's not that many efficient, fast and community based protocols out there. I've been file sharing for as long as I remember, but I also know enough law to never get into a court over it.
Topsites? It's just paying for leech spots, newsgroups are better, at least they don't record your IP. Newsgroups? Expensive crap. I mean, no offense, I understand some people's fascination with it, but if you're going to pay to file SHARE, you have the wrong picture. Go to the store and buy it. Learn how to take the DRM off yourself, or even contact the company to remove it for you and offer you a license. Not that hard, a lot of companies I've worked at have obtained DRM-Free licensing on media and even protection-less industry grade programs.
DC Hubs? mIRC-based groups? There's a reason those two are nearly obsolete. They're slow, they're bogged down, they're unreliable, and politics play a more precarious part than even the most power hungry torrent website admins. I can't even remember how many times I had to follow my favorite DC community around because we kept getting hacked/shut down.
Whether you like it or not, Bittorrent is the only reliable AND optionally free protocol out there. If you're a friendly person, a million ratio-free, laid back tracker staff will take you in anywhere you want.
2) The community. When ScT shut down, within thirty minutes of the 48 hour announcement there were hundreds of people on the IRC trading. Personally? I don't see anything wrong with trading. Except, when it's done with the intention of gaining something. That's unfortunately where the bad community comes in. What I know is that trading only kills trackers because it's an endless cycle. Accounts on BitMeTV for example are traded 3-4 times, and then the cycle keeps going on. None of the people use it, they just use it as a stepping stone. And that's the issue, the hierarchy is what's killing the protocol. I remember being called an idealist on BCG when I insulted someone by saying that because he doesn't seed back on public trackers, he's killing torrenting, and I meant every word of it. There's no point to being on torrents if all someone will do is leech, go back to DCHubs for that. People automatically assume that "lower level trackers" are disposable, and constantly strive to get into the higher levels. That is hurting the protocol, and the community as a whole.
3) The people who constantly want BT to die. I mean GOD, if you hate the damn thing so much, stop browsing dang forums related to it. This applies to nearly everyone in this thread. If BT accounts for less than 5% of your downloads, fine, but your forum activity should also resemble that figure. The people on private trackers that keep screaming "This tracker is going to die" then why the fuck are you even there? It's simple you're there because you think it's entertaining watching something strive to succeed.
I guess my main point is the community is killing BT. All the silly rules, all the ridiculous hierarchical systems in place, all the lamers that want it to die without understanding how much the world would end up losing on such a successful protocol.
FST is the bigger picture. FST is a proper representation. Many a times I meet someone absolutely polite and pleasant on a "high level tracker" and they end up explaining how influential they are on FST. This place does serve an ego of its own, and the beauty is, people here are unafraid of showing it off, because they're hidden behind a random pseudonym. As the old quote goes, "Give a man a mask, and he will tell you who he is." The same applies here at FST, hidden behind proxies, behind random aliases, everyone behaves as themselves, and shows off their true e-penis, this place shows exactly what's killing BT. It's the people that want it to die, it's the same people who are trading, it's the same people who don't understand what file SHARING is, and are in it for as long as the boat is sailing, but will bail out given the chance.
I realize I might have seemed hostile, but none of what I said is meant to be offensive.
"Topsites? It's just paying for leech spots" False...
It is true. What other ways to get into topsites are there? Being part of a group and working your bum off, while risking your safety? Starting a network with donations to get it going and hope you're successful? Donating hardware that costs money? Being a source? Being a leak?
Please, everything has its merits and it's weak points, no system is perfect, neither is BT. But to WANT BT to die without realizing what it is is sheer stupidity.
By the way, if BT ever dies, kiss the best top-sites goodbye. They are after all funded by "top site" donations, most of the time.
there are friend status (no need to pay) ....and you talk about crappy topsites not "true topsites"
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if BT ever dies, kiss the best top-sites goodbye.