Brandon Flipflops on P4Invites

Instead of doing the honorable thing and admitting he was wrong to slander other sites for doing what was necessary to raise money, he's decided to pretend nothing's changed.

Since he's deleting all the posts on FTN's forum that mention this, clearly he's still capable of some shame. We at FST don't stand censorship and hypocrisy, do we? Let's take a couple of minutes to highlight all the posts Brandon's made in the past condemning other sites for raising money. I'll get us started with a couple from here:

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Originally Posted by Brandon

Sure, FTN does take a step across morality in terms of warez. But only one of those two sites crosses the line and sells it. Not only are they selling things that artists/corporations are creating, but also the time that the groups use to get that infringement material even to them. Yes both sites accept money from their members, but once again, only one of those sites accepts it in an appropriate way. Once again, one site taking advantage of the situation at hand, vs the other not. It's very easy to say what I do is fine when compared to something that crosses the line on many more levels.

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Originally Posted by Brandon

Welcome to sct, where the staff have enlarged ego's and the users come last (unless you pay)

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This is just what I dug up in a couple of minutes - I know there are better ones out there talking about how he'd rather shut down the site than sell anything to keep it open.

O rly? Don't you have nothing better to do with your time? There is already a thread where FTN invites are discussed..

FTN hasn't changed, their invite system is the same.

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Originally Posted by Roark

Instead of doing the honorable thing and admitting he was wrong to slander other sites for doing what was necessary to raise money, he's decided to pretend nothing's changed.

Since he's deleting all the posts on FTN's forum that mention this, clearly he's still capable of some shame. We at FST don't stand censorship and hypocrisy, do we? Let's take a couple of minutes to highlight all the posts Brandon's made in the past condemning other sites for raising money. I'll get us started with a couple from here:

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Originally Posted by Brandon

Welcome to sct, where the staff have enlarged ego's and the users come last (unless you pay)

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This is just what I dug up in a couple of minutes - I know there are better ones out there talking about how he'd rather shut down the site than sell anything to keep it open.

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If this hypocrisy boils your bunny so much simply delete your a/c? Or are you going to be hypocritic and continue to use a tracker where you object to them generating money to pay for the server ? Go on be a man, where are your balls ? Surely if this is such sacrilege a quick pm to staff and all your problems are solved, you can carry on downloading files with a clear conscience from the other trackers out there.

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Originally Posted by Artemis

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Originally Posted by Roark

Instead of doing the honorable thing and admitting he was wrong to slander other sites for doing what was necessary to raise money, he's decided to pretend nothing's changed.

Since he's deleting all the posts on FTN's forum that mention this, clearly he's still capable of some shame. We at FST don't stand censorship and hypocrisy, do we? Let's take a couple of minutes to highlight all the posts Brandon's made in the past condemning other sites for raising money. I'll get us started with a couple from here:






This is just what I dug up in a couple of minutes - I know there are better ones out there talking about how he'd rather shut down the site than sell anything to keep it open.

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If this hypocrisy boils your bunny so much simply delete your a/c? Or are you going to be hypocritic and continue to use a tracker where you object to them generating money to pay for the server ? Go on be a man, where are your balls ? Surely if this is such sacrilege a quick pm to staff and all your problems are solved, you can carry on downloading files with a clear conscience from the other trackers out there.

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He's on a quest. He wants FTN to die. :01:

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Originally Posted by Artemis

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Originally Posted by Roark

Instead of doing the honorable thing and admitting he was wrong to slander other sites for doing what was necessary to raise money, he's decided to pretend nothing's changed.

Since he's deleting all the posts on FTN's forum that mention this, clearly he's still capable of some shame. We at FST don't stand censorship and hypocrisy, do we? Let's take a couple of minutes to highlight all the posts Brandon's made in the past condemning other sites for raising money. I'll get us started with a couple from here:






This is just what I dug up in a couple of minutes - I know there are better ones out there talking about how he'd rather shut down the site than sell anything to keep it open.

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If this hypocrisy boils your bunny so much simply delete your a/c? Or are you going to be hypocritic and continue to use a tracker where you object to them generating money to pay for the server ? Go on be a man, where are your balls ? Surely if this is such sacrilege a quick pm to staff and all your problems are solved, you can carry on downloading files with a clear conscience from the other trackers out there.

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Every tracker is generating money to pay for servers. BitTorrent is evil, let's abandon it! Oh, almost forgot about that coutries are using all people to get taxes. Let's all die and make this world better!

Sorry OP, you have failed.

Please man up and come back :)

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Originally Posted by Artemis

If this hypocrisy boils your bunny so much simply delete your a/c? Or are you going to be hypocritic and continue to use a tracker where you object to them generating money to pay for the server ? Go on be a man, where are your balls ? Surely if this is such sacrilege a quick pm to staff and all your problems are solved, you can carry on downloading files with a clear conscience from the other trackers out there.

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I don't care how sites raise money. I do, however, enjoy taunting childish site owners who delete posts of people who point out their hypocrisy. Let's see him delete these.

Awww :(

I thought there was actually gonna be something of interest to read in this thread... I was wrong...

nothing new about another site goes pay for invite

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Originally Posted by Roark

I don't care how sites raise money. I do, however, enjoy taunting childish site owners who delete posts of people who point out their hypocrisy. Let's see him delete these.

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So you made this thread to see if its deleted? :rolleyes:

Cool :cool:

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Originally Posted by Roark

Instead of doing the honorable thing and admitting he was wrong to slander other sites for doing what was necessary to raise money, he's decided to pretend nothing's changed.

Since he's deleting all the posts on FTN's forum that mention this, clearly he's still capable of some shame. We at FST don't stand censorship and hypocrisy, do we? Let's take a couple of minutes to highlight all the posts Brandon's made in the past condemning other sites for raising money. I'll get us started with a couple from here:

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Originally Posted by Brandon

Welcome to sct, where the staff have enlarged ego's and the users come last (unless you pay)

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This is just what I dug up in a couple of minutes - I know there are better ones out there talking about how he'd rather shut down the site than sell anything to keep it open.

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Do you really think "Brandon" gives a fcuk about what a cross dresser thinks? :idunno:

I condemn everyone equally as I find it saves me a lot of time.No careful deliberation on extenuating circumstances .No soul-searching .No factoring in my own moral short-falls .
Just straight to judgment and off to the gym.

Probably one reason that I'm both in such exceptional shape and lonely as hell.:dabs:

I believe more and more that Idol has a dupe ...

If a site issues invites to all contributing members, among which are donors, than I have no problem with that. If, however, invites are only given to donors, then I do feel that that's crossing a line that shouldn't have been crossed in a reputable site such as this.

I think I read on the FTN forums that B is doing what is best for the site, even though it may go against his personal ethics. I don't see anything wrong with what FTN is doing, and I always liked the way ScT operated as well.

Does Brandon pocket any of the $$ he raises? Did SCT staff pocket any money, or did those donations go to servers and scene axx? If not, then I don't see any reasons to complain. Even if so, I personally wouldn't care. I'm in it for the warez, not for the ethics of it all.

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Originally Posted by pro267

If a site issues invites to all contributing members, among which are donors, than I have no problem with that. If, however, invites are only given to donors, then I do feel that that's crossing a line that shouldn't have been crossed in a reputable site such as this.

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Well said. Personally I don't care what FTN wants to do with their site, it's their site after all. But as a matter of principle I can't agree with P2I it's just plain wrong in my opinion.

@truesounds, I doubt B is making anything off of FTN, SCT however I wouldn't be so sure.

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Originally Posted by Artemis

If this hypocrisy boils your bunny so much simply delete your a/c? Or are you going to be hypocritic and continue to use a tracker where you object to them generating money to pay for the server ? Go on be a man, where are your balls ? Surely if this is such sacrilege a quick pm to staff and all your problems are solved, you can carry on downloading files with a clear conscience from the other trackers out there.

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I don't care how sites raise money. I do, however, enjoy taunting childish site owners who delete posts of people who point out their hypocrisy. Let's see him delete these.

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I notice how you didn't answer Artemis' question about if it bothers you that much why not delete your account and be done with it. Seems pretty hypocritical to stay at a place that one disagrees with how it is run or who it is run by. Or is it a stupid level status thing for you?

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Originally Posted by deadalive1

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Originally Posted by Roark

I don't care how sites raise money. I do, however, enjoy taunting childish site owners who delete posts of people who point out their hypocrisy. Let's see him delete these.

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I notice how you didn't answer Artemis' question about if it bothers you that much why not delete your account and be done with it. Seems pretty hypocritical to stay at a place that one disagrees with how it is run or who it is run by. Or is it a stupid level status thing for you?

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Why is it hypocritical to stay at a place where you disagree who runs it or how it's run? I disagree with who runs the government and how it is run, as do most people; it doesn't mean I just up and leave to create my own country.

I also really couldn't be less bothered about how FTN raises money, nor whether Brandon is keeping any of it. What does bother me is his self-righteous, preening attitude and now, censorship. Why should I sit quietly when I know it bothers him when threads like this one are made?

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Originally Posted by Roark

I don't care how sites raise money. I do, however, enjoy taunting childish site owners who delete posts of people who point out their hypocrisy. Let's see him delete these.

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I notice how you didn't answer Artemis' question about if it bothers you that much why not delete your account and be done with it. Seems pretty hypocritical to stay at a place that one disagrees with how it is run or who it is run by. Or is it a stupid level status thing for you?

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Cause he's a pussy maybe?

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Originally Posted by Roark

What does bother me is his self-righteous, preening attitude

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I've learnt to not open my mouth so much now (regardless of how righteous you think you are or how right you think you are in the particular criticism you're making). and it was a good lesson learned. To be ffing honest there's not much point openly criticising others or other sites, when you step back and seriously think about it. Others who agree with you would be thinking the same thing already. Saying it out there doesn't (usually) change anything, it doesn't necessarily have any benefit and it definitely can have some negative outcomes (conclusion: pointless and foolish). Better to pretty much just stick to what you do and move along...especially in the case of a tracker owner.

I'd like Brandon's opinion @

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Originally Posted by Roark

Why is it hypocritical to stay at a place where you disagree who runs it or how it's run? I disagree with who runs the government and how it is run, as do most people; it doesn't mean I just up and leave to create my own country.

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agreed.
the ones saying it's hypocritical are the same ones who claims that being on a private tracker is a privilege blah-blah..

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What does bother me is his self-righteous, preening attitude

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I've learnt to not open my mouth so much now (regardless of how righteous you think you are or how right you think you are in the particular criticism you're making). and it was a good lesson learned. To be ffing honest there's not much point openly criticising others or other sites, when you step back and seriously think about it. Others who agree with you would be thinking the same thing already. Saying it out there doesn't (usually) change anything, it doesn't necessarily have any benefit and it definitely can have some negative outcomes (conclusion: pointless and foolish). Better to pretty much just stick to what you do and move along...especially in the case of a tracker owner.

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I wholeheartedly disagree - FST has definitely made a difference in the way sites treat their users. There's a reason bitmetv for example has in the past asked users to post their lenient treatment by staff on this site to counter criticism, a reason so many staff from major sites show up to defend their sites and actions. It's not because, as they like to claim, they don't give a shit what a bunch of traders think and say.

The hype about FTN is big, heh? The site owner can say everything.
He can sell invites, selling them on ebay or whatever. You can stop using this site! The site owner can doing everything and you must following him or not.

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Originally Posted by adrenalin

The hype about FTN is big, heh? The site owner can say everything.
He can sell invites, selling them on ebay or whatever. You can stop using this site! The site owner can doing everything and you must following him or not.

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Well that added fuck all to the debate. Severe head trauma and forums do not a good mix make, or are you just retarded ?

@OP

go get a life

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Originally Posted by VinX

@OP

go get a life

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Ditto.

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I've learnt to not open my mouth so much now (regardless of how righteous you think you are or how right you think you are in the particular criticism you're making). and it was a good lesson learned. To be ffing honest there's not much point openly criticising others or other sites, when you step back and seriously think about it. Others who agree with you would be thinking the same thing already. Saying it out there doesn't (usually) change anything, it doesn't necessarily have any benefit and it definitely can have some negative outcomes (conclusion: pointless and foolish). Better to pretty much just stick to what you do and move along...especially in the case of a tracker owner.

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I wholeheartedly disagree - FST has definitely made a difference in the way sites treat their users. There's a reason bitmetv for example has in the past asked users to post their lenient treatment by staff on this site to counter criticism, a reason so many staff from major sites show up to defend their sites and actions. It's not because, as they like to claim, they don't give a ***** what a bunch of traders think and say.

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Yeah I guess I was making a general statement - it depends what context it is...not to worry...

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Why is it hypocritical to stay at a place where you disagree who runs it or how it's run? I disagree with who runs the government and how it is run, as do most people; it doesn't mean I just up and leave to create my own country.

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agreed.
the ones saying it's hypocritical are the same ones who claims that being on a private tracker is a privilege blah-blah..

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So you are saying it is your right to join a private tracker? You might want to examine the meaning of the term "private".

pri·vate: not open or accessible to the general public

So it IS a privilege and not a right... but I digress.

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Originally Posted by dvdasacd

I've learnt to not open my mouth so much now (regardless of how righteous you think you are or how right you think you are in the particular criticism you're making). and it was a good lesson learned. To be ffing honest there's not much point openly criticising others or other sites, when you step back and seriously think about it. Others who agree with you would be thinking the same thing already. Saying it out there doesn't (usually) change anything, it doesn't necessarily have any benefit and it definitely can have some negative outcomes (conclusion: pointless and foolish). Better to pretty much just stick to what you do and move along...especially in the case of a tracker owner.

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I wholeheartedly disagree - FST has definitely made a difference in the way sites treat their users. There's a reason bitmetv for example has in the past asked users to post their lenient treatment by staff on this site to counter criticism, a reason so many staff from major sites show up to defend their sites and actions. It's not because, as they like to claim, they don't give a shit what a bunch of traders think and say.

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Well if you think B is going to rock up to defend himself from your 'accusations' as such, puerile as they are, you're sadly mistaken.

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agreed.
the ones saying it's hypocritical are the same ones who claims that being on a private tracker is a privilege blah-blah..

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So you are saying it is your right to join a private tracker? You might want to examine the meaning of the term "private".

pri·vate: not open or accessible to the general public

So it IS a privilege and not a right... but I digress.

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joining a private tracker is more of an opportunity (like another) than a privilege.
trackers need torrenters probably more than torrenters need trackers.

a private tracker wouldn't run without members and conversely. there's no privilege for anyone, just an exchange of "friendly services".

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So you are saying it is your right to join a private tracker? You might want to examine the meaning of the term "private".

pri·vate: not open or accessible to the general public

So it IS a privilege and not a right... but I digress.

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joining a private tracker is more of an opportunity (like another) than a privilege.
trackers need torrenters probably more than torrenters need trackers.

a private tracker wouldn't run without members and conversely. there's no privilege for anyone, just an exchange of "friendly services".

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Yeah,unless they are not taking donations the only thing that the site owner can lay claim to is probably the web address.Just look at uk-t,the owners are not selling the servers or torrents or retention.Once you have no members,you don't have that.The fucking domain is what they are selling because its what's truly theirs with or without members.

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Originally Posted by Roark

I wholeheartedly disagree - FST has definitely made a difference in the way sites treat their users. There's a reason bitmetv for example has in the past asked users to post their lenient treatment by staff on this site to counter criticism, a reason so many staff from major sites show up to defend their sites and actions. It's not because, as they like to claim, they don't give a shit what a bunch of traders think and say.

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Well if you think B is going to rock up to defend himself from your 'accusations' as such, puerile as they are, you're sadly mistaken.

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Yes, I am sorry to have lowered the level of discourse at FST from the high-brow critiques of other sites Brandon has made here, such as those linked in the OP.

Whether he shows up on this thread is irrelevant - the deletions and edits on his own site show he clearly didn't want this publicized, and I'm doing my small part to make sure it is. Mission accomplished.

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Whether he shows up on this thread is irrelevant - the deletions and edits on his own site show he clearly didn't want this publicized, and I'm doing my small part to make sure it is. Mission accomplished.

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Damn bro, you're a cool kid. Let us know when you move out of your parents' basement :)

http://media.skateboard.com.au/forum/images/ethug22.jpg

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Whether he shows up on this thread is irrelevant - the deletions and edits on his own site show he clearly didn't want this publicized, and I'm doing my small part to make sure it is. Mission accomplished.

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Damn bro, you're a cool kid. Let us know when you move out of your parents' basement :)

http://media.skateboard.com.au/forum/images/ethug22.jpg

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hahaha E-Thug !! lmao

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http://media.skateboard.com.au/forum/images/ethug22.jpg

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I'd be surprised if he can even bench half that 185.

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Whether he shows up on this thread is irrelevant - the deletions and edits on his own site show he clearly didn't want this publicized, and I'm doing my small part to make sure it is. Mission accomplished.

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Damn bro, you're a cool kid. Let us know when you move out of your parents' basement :)

http://media.skateboard.com.au/forum/images/ethug22.jpg

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by adrenalin

The hype about FTN is big, heh? The site owner can say everything.
He can sell invites, selling them on ebay or whatever. You can stop using this site! The site owner can doing everything and you must following him or not.

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Well that added fuck all to the debate. Severe head trauma and forums do not a good mix make, or are you just retarded ?

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maybe you're retarded.
you didn't understand.
brandon is the site owner and can do whatever he want!
you'll get a invite after donating.. well sure you can say it is pay for invites as OP says but why not? brandon decided it and you must following him or delete your account there! brandon can sell invites on ebay and you must like it! you are just a member there and nothing else.. you have nothing to say!

i can't understand this thread because brandon is the owner and can do whatever he want! :)

btw, my opinion: selling invites on ebay, pay for warez, pay for invites, or whatever risk someone is really shit - so don't understand me wrong ! ;)

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Well that added fuck all to the debate. Severe head trauma and forums do not a good mix make, or are you just retarded ?

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maybe you're retarded.
you didn't understand.
brandon is the site owner and can do whatever he want!
you'll get a invite after donating.. well sure you can say it is pay for invites as OP says but why not? brandon decided it and you must following him or delete your account there! brandon can sell invites on ebay and you must like it! you are just a member there and nothing else.. you have nothing to say!

i can't understand this thread because brandon is the owner and can do whatever he want! :)

btw, my opinion: selling invites on ebay, pay for warez, pay for invites, or whatever risk someone is really shit - so don't understand me wrong ! ;)

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I do understand you, sort of, and you're a moron for binging a site owner, especially of a site you don't belong to, into the debate. the brain damaged analogy came into play about the same time as you alluded to brandon selling invites on ebay.
Being a member there I have more to say than a mere bystander who asked in another thread if the content of ftn was porn. How old are you by the way because your debating skills are that of a child.
I still think you are a cretin but maybe a semi literate reply will redeem yourself (but I wouldn't count on it).

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maybe you're retarded.
you didn't understand.
brandon is the site owner and can do whatever he want!
you'll get a invite after donating.. well sure you can say it is pay for invites as OP says but why not? brandon decided it and you must following him or delete your account there! brandon can sell invites on ebay and you must like it! you are just a member there and nothing else.. you have nothing to say!

i can't understand this thread because brandon is the owner and can do whatever he want! :)

btw, my opinion: selling invites on ebay, pay for warez, pay for invites, or whatever risk someone is really shit - so don't understand me wrong ! ;)

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I do understand you, sort of, and you're a moron for binging a site owner, especially of a site you don't belong to, into the debate. the brain damaged analogy came into play about the same time as you alluded to brandon selling invites on ebay.
Being a member there I have more to say than a mere bystander who asked in another thread if the content of ftn was porn. How old are you by the way because your debating skills are that of a child.
I still think you are a cretin but maybe a semi literate reply will redeem yourself (but I wouldn't count on it).

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you think my skills are that of a child - well, it is better than cry as a child, haha - you need your cuddly pet?

"alluded to brandon selling invites on ebay." you are very silly, or?

I mean it general and sure a site owner can do it! i didn't say that brandon do it ,ye..

btw, i have a real life and I don't know the content of every tracker , yeh.. the hype about ftn is big, and i don't know why.. so i thought it is because porn.. many members like you need it ;)