Is it really true that all ratio cheaters eventually get caught?

This is what I would like to know: anon-sbi insists that you will never be banned if you cheat in a smart way. However, this is what this blog ( http://www.****************.org/blog/?p=273 ) mentions: "Eventually, all cheaters will be caught and in most cases will be globally banned from any torrent site they are a member of." So, who's right and who's wrong about that: is it the author of the blog or is it anon-sbi? I know that anon-sbi himself was banned for cheating at what.cd, but managed to get another account. So, were you ever again caught for cheating, anon-sbi? What about you, Mihai? Were you ever caught because of your cheating? I read on the bitmetv forums that some people had been cheating for years before they had been caught. So, if it's possible to get away with cheating for years, it's possible to get away with cheating forever? What are your thoughts on it, anon-sbi? What are the thoughts of other cheaters and non-cheaters concerning this subject?

By the way, for some reason, that link kinda concealed itself. I was talking about a pirate society blog.

Of course not everyone gets caught, or people wouldn't still be trying it on private trackers. A huge number of them do get caught and banned, and the oh so lovely folks you mentioned in the OP have had several dupe accounts on various sites after being banned, but if that's how they choose to act there's not much you can do about it, it merely speaks to their character.

Actions speak louder than words.

New way to cheat <-> gets busted,Its an endless loop.

P.S:A piece of my mind on TPS.What it publishes shouldn't be taken as it is.It is what everything a fucked up place can be.Its been run by certain people who imposes their set of rules,"mind set" and practices gestapo methods against the members.They should be the last ones who should be talking about Rules,Morals etc.A decent place which got fucked up by certain power freaks with fucked up ego and no sense of morals or proper etiquette.All that is left in that forum are collectors and new members who join TPS who dont know how fucked up the place really is.

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Originally Posted by OlegL

this is what this blog ( http://www.****************.org/blog/?p=273 ) mentions: "Eventually, all cheaters will be caught and in most cases will be globally banned from any torrent site they are a member of."

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What else would you want them to say? Seriously.

And I wasn't banned from What.cd for cheating. It was some shit involving transparent pixels and the infamous CSS hack, which we weren't shielded against at the time. That no longer holds true, however.

I also lost my first BCG account that way. But What.cd was the biggest loss - a 2008 account, that should speak for itself. I didn't even bother trying to get back in, until exactly one year ago someone PMed me asking me if I wanted an invite. He said he didn't know anyone else to give it to, and that he'd be honored to have me on his invite tree. Great guy. I took it, registered, and that account remains enabled to this day.

And to answer your question, no, it isn't true, and anyone trying to convince you of the opposite is either an idiot or doesn't know any better. Not that the fact a large chunk of cheaters don't get caught means you or anyone else should attempt to do it, anyway.

bottom line,dont do the crime if u cant do the time..lol

I do not see the point of cheating at all. I would rather let my account be disabled if running into ratio issues.
Do most cheaters do it for invites to trade or to up their ratio,both?

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Originally Posted by pone44

Do most cheaters do it for invites to trade or to up their ratio,both?

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I'd throw a guess and say a very large part of them do it for the latter reason, at the very least. :lol:

I think they cheat because life on the internet is empty in some sense; they don't really care about what can happen to them on the internet. They care about real life outside of the internet.

Same goes to those who do not cheat Empty how?

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Originally Posted by OlegL

I think they cheat because life on the internet is empty in some sense; they don't really care about what can happen to them on the internet. They care about real life outside of the internet.

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Originally Posted by pone44

Same goes to those who do not cheat Empty how?

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Well, on the internet, it's really hard to understand what people think about you; why they react to you in a certain way; why you get banned from certain places, and etc.

Cheating is damn stupid. You will be caught eventually. End of story.

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

I didn't even bother trying to get back in, until exactly one year ago someone PMed me asking me if I wanted an invite. He said he didn't know anyone else to give it to, and that he'd be honored to have me on his invite tree. Great guy. I took it, registered, and that account remains enabled to this day..

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did you let him know about your previously banned account?

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Originally Posted by lysine

did you let him know about your previously banned account?

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He already knew.

You can be caught
-if someone from the staff actually verify your ratio on every torrent and see the magic, ratio 0.2 on most of the torrents but on 2 -3 packs 100 -500 gb upload --> idiots.
-or they have some great scrips that anon doesn't know haw they work,yet :P

Not true. You should use that app for all your trackers and beef them up as much as you can, get the invites, and give'em away here. :-D

Then when caught, you get your whole invite tree banned on most private sites.

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Originally Posted by amirji

Not true. You should use that app for all your trackers and beef them up as much as you can, get the invites, and give'em away here. :-D

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Originally Posted by OlegL

this is what this blog ( http://www.****************.org/blog/?p=273 ) mentions: "Eventually, all cheaters will be caught and in most cases will be globally banned from any torrent site they are a member of."

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What else would you want them to say? Seriously.

And I wasn't banned from What.cd for cheating. It was some shit involving transparent pixels and the infamous CSS hack, which we weren't shielded against at the time. That no longer holds true, however.

I also lost my first BCG account that way. But What.cd was the biggest loss - a 2008 account, that should speak for itself. I didn't even bother trying to get back in, until exactly one year ago someone PMed me asking me if I wanted an invite. He said he didn't know anyone else to give it to, and that he'd be honored to have me on his invite tree. Great guy. I took it, registered, and that account remains enabled to this day.

And to answer your question, no, it isn't true, and anyone trying to convince you of the opposite is either an idiot or doesn't know any better. Not that the fact a large chunk of cheaters don't get caught means you or anyone else should attempt to do it, anyway.

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To tell you the truth, you don't actually sound like a person who believes in cheating. Have you really cheated on any tracker?

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Have you really cheated on any tracker?

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Do I have to come up with a creative way to reply, or does a plain "yes" suffice?

Wow.

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Have you really cheated on any tracker?

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Do I have to come up with a creative way to reply, or does a plain "yes" suffice?

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lol :lol:

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Originally Posted by AbyBeats

New way to cheat <-> gets busted,Its an endless loop.

P.S:A piece of my mind on TPS.What it publishes shouldn't be taken as it is.It is what everything a fucked up place can be.Its been run by certain people who imposes their set of rules,"mind set" and practices gestapo methods against the members.They should be the last ones who should be talking about Rules,Morals etc.A decent place which got fucked up by certain power freaks with fucked up ego and no sense of morals or proper etiquette.All that is left in that forum are collectors and new members who join TPS who dont know how fucked up the place really is.

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http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/3...=1#post3406747

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Originally Posted by AbyBeats

Lets just say,after you went TPS has turned a little more interesting place.People have emerged with backbone and question things rather than just agree what the admins and mods say.

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by P2PDog

http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/3...=1#post3406747

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Originally Posted by AbyBeats

Lets just say,after you went TPS has turned a little more interesting place.People have emerged with backbone and question things rather than just agree what the admins and mods say.

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:lol:

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Yes I did say that.It was a nice place until those freaks started to ban people left and right for speaking their mind and turning the place into shit.

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Originally Posted by AbyBeats

Yes I did say that.It was a nice place until those freaks started to ban people left and right for speaking their mind and turning the place into shit.

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Totally random related question. Are you still a member there? I'm not trying to make you out to be a hypocrite, I'm just trying to understand the full picture.

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

Totally random related question. Are you still a member there? I'm not trying to make you out to be a hypocrite, I'm just trying to understand the full picture.

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No.I left that place when my comments started getting deleted/edited to their liking.

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

Totally random related question. Are you still a member there? I'm not trying to make you out to be a hypocrite, I'm just trying to understand the full picture.

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No.I left that place when my comments started getting deleted/edited to their liking.

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*nods* Understandable. Pity I wasn't there for the entire downfall, would've been funny to watch (I'm humored by idiots running themselves into the ground, like backie!).

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Originally Posted by AbyBeats

No.I left that place when my comments started getting deleted/edited to their liking.

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maybe you should bring some of your comments to cfs, that place is dead as a doornail

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No.I left that place when my comments started getting deleted/edited to their liking.

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maybe you should bring some of your comments to cfs, that place is dead as a doornail

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killercam is taking a vacation.let him come back :happy: and all else are chasing after defcon chicks :shifty:

P.S:th0r,is that you in backies blog asking for ninecats boobs?nonetheless,I havent have laughed so hard in sometime but after reading some of that comments,I was just lol.

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Have you really cheated on any tracker?

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Do I have to come up with a creative way to reply, or does a plain "yes" suffice?

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hey anon

i really dont understand one thing about cheating


why do u or anyone cheat?

some of the main reasons can be

(1) to get a good ratio

but i dont think 20 to 30 dollars is more for anyone right now, u can easyly built a ratio of 1 tb on most of the tracker within a month with a good seedbox

more over if u are finding problems with some hard to seed tracker, then why to use it, use other trackers which are easy to seed.

(2) to get invites

I think the best way to get invites in almost any tracker is to donate and secondly having friendly relationship with staffmembers in irc, ratio thing helps very less as far as invites are concerned.

(3) to trade

I dont think that by trading we can earn our livelyhood or we can buy those things which we are found of in real life like iphone, good designer clothes or our college fees. and even if we manage to buy those things at times, this is only one type of once source of income, i think if we invest time in more productive place then all these things will be easy to come by then trading.


I just could not find a good reason to cheat

I think u would really be knowing more than me, so i asked u.

just a friendly question

Dude,you seriously need a better perspective of things,tbh all those three points you made are totally stupid.I dont even feel like quoting each of them and explaining it.Sorry if I sound like a troll but thats how I truly feel.

Anyway,http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/3....This-is-the-Q..
That should give you some answers.

ABYBEATS

very few people can understand me, the main reason is that, my post at first glance looks silly, childish and very basic, but if u have a closer look and if u think of those things which i want to convey then u will find that i was right, a small thing that incorporates everything.


I just want to tell that their is no need to put yourself into any hassle of cheating and keeping your mind stress about the fact that i will be caught one day and banned and may be global baned from this torrent world.

their are option to almost everything, why to waste time and hinder peace of mind for cheating.

just enjoy life.

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

Of course not everyone gets caught, or people wouldn't still be trying it on private trackers. A huge number of them do get caught and banned, and the oh so lovely folks you mentioned in the OP have had several dupe accounts on various sites after being banned, but if that's how they choose to act there's not much you can do about it, it merely speaks to their character.

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and there you go again with the big words,you refused to produce the scummeter so I'll just assume it doesn't exist.

character:the mental and moral qualities distinctive to an individual. • strength and originality in a person's nature.

I don't really know how to go into this without coming off as patronizing towards you but what the hell are you using this time to measure anon's character or anyone's for that matter(you did know what character means,right?)

It's the last thing you can deduce about a person on the internet,all you get are personas and facades,these change.Am not going to swear coz I know you gonna use that as an excuse to dodge my question again.

Here's how I look at anon anyways,we can't really know who he is as a person and if you take your torrents too seriously like ca_aok you end up substituting real life principles with tracker rules and use those to judge people.This is the tragedy that ca_aok is struggling with.

Now speaking from a rational person's perspective(real world here,forget about torrents for a while),anon comes off as a good person to me.True,he's been helpful in the forums here but looking carefully at what he does and why he does it,you can't help but see a charitable person.

He is smart as an individual and unlike some people who see torrenting as a means to an end,truth is he doesn't(you do know his mods are apart of torrenting,right?).He could easily be selling these mods for as much as $20 a piece or more but guy decides to give them out for free with lifetime updates.Now if you got a caged mind like the quoted individual you'd be thinking he did that to spite p2pg and BT staff in general but opening your mind a little wider,you get to see a self
less person who decided to use his knowledge not for profit but to aid a group of people who lacked...sad that somebody else is trying to make a profit out of his work.

Most of you saw mbm's thread about jacking his 'distant' neighbours wifi and saw how it ended.That extra bandwidth was a necessity and the final solution was to cheat the system.Now does that make him a scum?Does it even attest to his character?ca_aok?Has it altered your opinion on him?

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Most of you saw mbm's thread about jacking his 'distant' neighbours wifi and saw how it ended.That extra bandwidth was a necessity and the final solution was to cheat the system.Now does that make him a scum?Does it even attest to his character?ca_aok?Has it altered your opinion on him?

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Actually it did, as we've discussed among ourselves. And regarding your "scummeter", I'm not even sure what the hell you're asking me for as I never mentioned such a thing. When you run a tracker, putting your ass on the line if the authorities come knocking at the door, the last thing you want to see is people profiting off your hard work (sellers, traders), or people not giving back what they take, since this is the foundation of BT compared to DDL or direct P2P (cheaters). Is that the answer you're looking for?

It's ok that you lack any sense of respect or care for the people facilitating your filesharing, that's your choice to make. Re: anon's morality, you're not going to sway me here. We see one side of him here, I've seen another side of him elsewhere. He's great at what he does and a consummate professional, that doesn't mean he's a good person for what he does. Giving children a loaded gun when they don't know how it works and probably don't realize that they may end up shooting themselves in the foot with it shortly down the road is not a charitable action.

Edit: If you're desperate to continue this conversation, feel free to PM me rather than having us derail the thread. I doubt either of us will change our minds though, arguing on the internet is rather pointless.

No, not ALL of them get caught

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Dude,you seriously need a better perspective of things,tbh all those three points you made are totally stupid.I dont even feel like quoting each of them and explaining it.Sorry if I sound like a troll but thats how I truly feel.

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I wouldn't call BABBY's points stupid. That's not because I agree with them, however, but rather because I don't want to offend him (or anyone else here) by calling his point of view "stupid". We're all entitled to our opinion, after all.

I do recommend you read the link AbyBeats posted, though. I think I explained everything over there.

The way I look at it, people who can't stand the hassle of seeding can bypass the whole torrent site route and just get their stuff through DDL. It is completely doable with limited loss of quality, variety ,speed and in the process there are no rules to worry about.

Why ratio-cheats need to create this whole system of complexity to snatch a few files they can otherwise get hassle-free from DDL is the most amusing part in all of this. Ratio-cheats enjoy the rush of just that: Cheating and getting away with it. It's like walking into wal-mart, palming something, breezing past store security and going.. woo-hoo Look at how good I am.

There are far way more interesting ways available in life to boost one's self-esteem or the 'life can be interesting' factor. Getting all caught up in the game of trying to beat a torrent sites stat's system is right up there with stealing condoms from wal-mart.

Totally lame.....

I didn't take the time to read all this thread but in my point of view, those who try to keep an over buffered account with its seed boxes in any tracker are as bad as those who decide to cheat.

Well, actually I think I prefer cheaters... At least they leave me some room to seed =P
Btw, I have an account in a great tracker that I simply can't use (and I don't use) because it's impossible for me to survive there unless I "part-seed", but that's not worth the effort. Damn seed boxes when they're not wisely used!

ps.: I almost got banned from one of my favorite trackers for inviting a cheater (who promissed he woudn't cheat)... But that is easy to solve. Simply don't invite people to private trackers anymore! =/

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

I took it, registered, and that account remains enabled to this day.

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And you still cheat from time to time at what.cd?

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I didn't take the time to read all this thread but in my point of view, those who try to keep an over buffered account with its seed boxes in any tracker are as bad as those who decide to cheat.

Well, actually I think I prefer cheaters... At least they leave me some room to seed =P
Btw, I have an account in a great tracker that I simply can't use (and I don't use) because it's impossible for me to survive there unless I "part-seed", but that's not worth the effort. Damn seed boxes when they're not wisely used!

ps.: I almost got banned from one of my favorite trackers for inviting a cheater (who promissed he woudn't cheat)... But that is easy to solve. Simply don't invite people to private trackers anymore! =/

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If you invited him via FST, you can be helped.

You're probably talking about SCC. It's indeed true. Even when I used seedboxes, I hardly managed to reach decent ratios there, and with my home connection it's very rare the torrent I reach over 0.5

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

If you invited him via FST, you can be helped.

You're probably talking about SCC. It's indeed true. Even when I used seedboxes, I hardly managed to reach decent ratios there, and with my home connection it's very rare the torrent I reach over 0.5

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Thank you Cabalo, but nevermind... it was a long long time ago. =/
And I was talking about bitme.tv, but good to know about SCC too so I'll never try my head there =P