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Except for Bernie Sanders you Americans literally have the worst people imaginable running in your Presidential elections.
I'm not saying this to be funny or disruptive, I just think that courting "the evangelical vote" is sort of akin to letting ISIS fund your campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politi...ruz-drops-out/
Hopefully Clinton will name a good Vice President and then die shortly after being inducted into office.
This. I've actually said this. Although 'die' is too vague and needs to involve words like "masked men", "truck", "bludgeoned", "televised manhunt, ending in authorities arriving too late", "horrific", "we cannot show the found footage on-air", "still no suspects"...Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Yeah good thinking.They could probably spin that into a reason to attack some country.
Conservatives are the ones who start wars here. Not one of our conservatives would be sorry for our 'loss'...
What would make bernie the exception? He's closer to trump than he is to hillary.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
For me, Sanders is the only good person running- as in I believe he is acting in good faith. Think what you will about socialism, I would *much* rather have a good man be unsuccessful at his (flawed) plan than have a malicious man/woman succeed in a destructive one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiz
Hillary and Trump are simply *ugly* at their cores.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
Trump and Clinton as well as most if not all of the others are seekers after power.On the other hand,Sanders was urged to run by ordinary citizens and his primary concern truly seems to lay in helping those citizens.
What's the line about the people who most yearn for power being the least fit to have it?
Plus Clinton has a history of flip-flopping on some pretty major issues so I'm of the opinion her "moral compass" consists entirely of assessing which way the wind blows.
Trump's either crazy or so out of touch with reality that it amounts to the same thing as being crazy.
Sanders has also actually held a job other than rich child, lawyer or boss of me so I assume he would be a little more sympathetic to the problems that most of society has to regularly deal with.
He's succeeding despite his belief in socialism not because of it. If his chief concern was just getting elected then he'd, like Trump. just tell people what they,or at least what he thinks that they want to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
By saying that he's a socialist he knows he just alienated 60% of voters right off the bat.
I actually like quite a bit of what he has to say, but you are correct in saying that he has created an uphill climb for himself. That and targeting all of the corporations and extremely wealthy- nothing fills the coffers of your opponents quicker than saying you will make them pay their taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787He's succeeding despite his belief in socialism not because of it. If his chief concern was just getting elected then he'd, like Trump. just tell people what they,or at least what he thinks that they want to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
By saying that he's a socialist he knows he just alienated 60% of voters right off the bat.
It pains me that my fellow voting, shared-land inhibitors would so much as entertain the thought of Hillary- yet alone Trump, as our 'leader'. FFS.
Was this said to bait me Meg??Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
I think you should read between the lines before you make comments like that about Sanders or the people pulling his strings:noes:
The problem is his backers, and trying to fix his voters problems is going to make the whole world worse, and cause more problems around the world including the immigration that will end up in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Feel free to enlighten us on those backing/pulling his strings...Quote:
Originally Posted by shainaWas this said to bait me Meg??Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
I think you should read between the lines before you make comments like that about Sanders or the people pulling his strings:noes:
And doing this i will be a target of bigotry, racists and anything you can think of because of my background :DQuote:
Originally Posted by megabytemeFeel free to enlighten us on those backing/pulling his strings...Quote:
Originally Posted by shaina
One thing i will mention is just take a look at his brothers beliefs, and do some actual research on non US Canadian media, and of course read between the lines (part truth and part bullshit!!),
Sanders = imagration that will not help the lives of people who want to live in a peaceful Democracy (and leans on Canada :D, Britain and UK feeling it now, read into Britian's Labour party?? nothing on US or Canadian news?? Amazing isn't it?? And what happened in France Well??)...
Trump= Really who the fuck knows what this guy is really capable of?? I guess it will depend who he puts into the jobs to run the country and national affairs right??
Clinton= Well this can go different ways as well but i do think she has the most experience to run a country, and this could backfire on say my personal interest:whistling, but i think she can understand foreign policy better than anyone, but again what she does with that experience could be like rolling snake-eyes.
The bottom line i am saying is... No matter what President you end up with Meg, What goes on in the rest of the world influences everything, and the wrong reactions can change the way of living.....
Do some research outside of US media Meg... It is very interesting reading on who becomes the next US President:D
EG. how much Longevity do you think Trudeau will have in Canada?? Will see what the future holds on that?? And i thank G-D we have your military on our side, because if we didn't we would be FUCKED!!!!:D(Canada of course:D, not the other place, they do fine on there own:whistling)....
Regards
Shay
PS. Are you going to answer my PM?? Think of Sanders when you do K:D
Sanders has a lifetime of being first to stand up for civil rights, so I don't see how this ties to policies that would be counter. You do realize he was raised Jewish, right? Has he done anything anti-semitic? Has he done anything indicating bad choices? His voting record is available on wikipedia- which is actually pretty darn good for humanity, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by shaina
I will keep your PM in mind, Shay. I don't have a great answer for you. Immigration has always been a hot issue. Religious beliefs affecting lawmaking and political powerbase have been, too. The world is becoming less religious now than it ever has been- people are frequently open about being agnostic or atheist. Spread of information has brought a lot of doubt into people's minds about this topic. I do not see laws being made entirely based upon religion to sweep through the West.
People are fleeing the Middle East because it is a miserable Hellhole. Nobody wants to live where it gets to 120F on a regular basis (sorry, Texans). They want to come where their families can prosper and their resources go further. People *do* bring their beliefs with them- but not everyone who comes is an extremist, nor are their children willing to follow in their beliefs once the have seen other possibilities.
I agree 100% on this Meg... But lets take a scenario into this?? Let a 1000 immigrants into Canada or the US?? and by not proper screening 1 extremist gets in??Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
now what happens?? Again this can be for any race or religion, but the worst for ideology we know at this time is??
So now that immigrant is in Canada and sends for others?? Now they cross the border into your neck of the woods (Max a few hour drive), now that screws it up for everyone trying to live in peace correct..
And the big problem is if the child in question is raised in a Democracy and you have Parents religious beliefs that are not changed to a domestic life?? is that child safe?? not a bloody chance!!,so why would the parents take that chance to poison there beliefs?? and the question is on the PM?? Why would a true believer of sharia law want to live in a Democracy State or Country??
And Arab Christian ??Yes and getting slaughtered in the middle east, a non conforming Sharia Law Muslim?? getting slaughtered in the Middle East, that i can see wanting to come to America and having a better life, but going through the laws of Sharia and looking at radical religion in perspective?? I am sorry i can't see a better life.. So Why Move?? In theory, your live should not me in danger nor your way of life in jeopardy?? So that answer is puzzling to me??
Then i thought?? We have pockets of Mennonites and Amish in Ontario?? Again they choose to live in Canada free to live the way they want:D, and yet if one of there offspring decide to leave the way of living?? what do the parents do about that?? I would assume nothing because you don't hear of any arms of heads cut off in those groups?? And again they still have to abide by the laws legislated in the country they chose to live in and that would be that...
Does that work for Sharia Law??
If they see a women driving a car does that give them the right to stand in front of that car and beat her??
If they take over and have a small town in London (happening in parts of Quebec right now!!) with everyone believing in Sharia Law and a women stops for gas in the town can he Take the car away from her and beat her??
Can there laws supersede the laws of the Democratic Country??
They would have to if that is there belief correct??
Very Interesting and scary Questions Meg, so if you are safe in your own country and want to live a Sharia Law lifestyle why leave??
I know if my life was in danger in Saudi Arabia because i chose not to conform (Again Dictatorship not Democracy), how long would it take before i took my family out of there??(That is as long as i wasn't killed first for choosing a different way of living??), I can say they would be things left behind because it would take too long to move!!!
Now you could say there is different interpretations of Sharia Law?? again the main ingredient is always there, conform or pay the consequences..
Meg it is not a subject of Question?? It is the question why?? No fear no danger in your home land?? Why??
You seem to want to ignore all the other possibilities with the one answer you have in mind: taking over/invading/destroying. There are various reasons why families would choose to immigrate to the west. Not all of them are sinister. All religions do work to spread their beliefs- look at how 'helpful' Christianity has been in Africa. Pilgrims headed West look how successful that group was...Quote:
Originally Posted by shainaQuote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Spoiler: ShowI agree 100% on this Meg... But lets take a scenario into this?? Let a 1000 immigrants into Canada or the US?? and by not proper screening 1 extremist gets in??
now what happens?? Again this can be for any race or religion, but the worst for ideology we know at this time is??
So now that immigrant is in Canada and sends for others?? Now they cross the border into your neck of the woods (Max a few hour drive), now that screws it up for everyone trying to live in peace correct..
And the big problem is if the child in question is raised in a Democracy and you have Parents religious beliefs that are not changed to a domestic life?? is that child safe?? not a bloody chance!!,so why would the parents take that chance to poison there beliefs?? and the question is on the PM?? Why would a true believer of sharia law want to live in a Democracy State or Country??
And Arab Christian ??Yes and getting slaughtered in the middle east, a non conforming Sharia Law Muslim?? getting slaughtered in the Middle East, that i can see wanting to come to America and having a better life, but going through the laws of Sharia and looking at radical religion in perspective?? I am sorry i can't see a better life.. So Why Move?? In theory, your live should not me in danger nor your way of life in jeopardy?? So that answer is puzzling to me??
Then i thought?? We have pockets of Mennonites and Amish in Ontario?? Again they choose to live in Canada free to live the way they want:D, and yet if one of there offspring decide to leave the way of living?? what do the parents do about that?? I would assume nothing because you don't hear of any arms of heads cut off in those groups?? And again they still have to abide by the laws legislated in the country they chose to live in and that would be that...
Does that work for Sharia Law??
If they see a women driving a car does that give them the right to stand in front of that car and beat her??
If they take over and have a small town in London (happening in parts of Quebec right now!!) with everyone believing in Sharia Law and a women stops for gas in the town can he Take the car away from her and beat her??
Can there laws supersede the laws of the Democratic Country??
They would have to if that is there belief correct??
Very Interesting and scary Questions Meg, so if you are safe in your own country and want to live a Sharia Law lifestyle why leave??
I know if my life was in danger in Saudi Arabia because i chose not to conform (Again Dictatorship not Democracy), how long would it take before i took my family out of there??(That is as long as i wasn't killed first for choosing a different way of living??), I can say they would be things left behind because it would take too long to move!!!
Now you could say there is different interpretations of Sharia Law?? again the main ingredient is always there, conform or pay the consequences..
Meg it is not a subject of Question?? It is the question why?? No fear no danger in your home land?? Why??
I don't stay awake at night fearing this any more than I do 'A billion Chinese marching from China', the Russians invading, or Jews controlling the money supp... Shit! ;)
Again some things can be smoke and mirrors Like Trump...Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
To get votes Trump is now saying in Israel now has the rights to build in the West Bank settlements?? I am a Jew i can say until the lines are truly drawn it is a very big mistake for Israel to do that!!! Now does that make me a trader to my people?? Maybe some would look at it that way:D
But in reality to me it is an instigation, and really is not helping to keep the calm there until there is some sort of solution to fix it. Now is that going to happen in my lifetime?? Who really knows, but it is like the Hatfields and the Mccoys, they both have to take loses (not human of course), to make gains.. But the biggest problem is COEXISTENCE!!, as i have and always will say there is wrongs on both sides, but Hate!! has to stop everywhere!!!
Now For Bernie?? You can read all the US media you want on this guy, he is a puppet, the shots of the majority rallies this guy has is Terrorist sympathizers. The photos are taken of Hamas and Hezbollah Flags and BDS shirts ( His brother is a part of), and Do you really think you can be a Jew and not hate them at the same time?? Grow UP!! I am not in love with all of them either and Christians are all not in love with the Pope LOL!!
I mean it is happening in Towns in Britain now, for some of these people to stay in politics in there area they have joined well known Terrorist sympathizers (documented not because who i am!!), for fear of there jobs, and guessing Israel Jewish hatters as well!!!
It just really amazes me that it is not only Jews that live in Israel?? If the Palestinians did recover some of the the land back from Israel ?? What would they do to the Christians and other religious people living there?? Just ask what they did to the Churches in Gaza and West Bank??Oh Ya!!! They don't exist anymore?? I wonder why?? It's Israel and the Jewish people's fault right?? LOL!!!
But this guy is in bed with a lot of bad people and Because he is not Trumps running mate i can see why this never came out on the US side of media/news:D
Nobody has ever campaigned like Trump before, and Clinton is not built that way....
So Yes he is Jewish and i wouldn't vote for him in a million years!!!
Hillary is not a Puppet so what ever happens, happens right??
Go ahead and post links from these 'non-US sources' with hidden info. The difference between Trump and Sanders is that Sanders has a true history of his voting record and his direct participation in civil rights all the way back to the 60's. Trump has nothing; Hillary has nothing but scandal and corruption.
Sure Meg... But you want someone in charge that does the worrying for you:DQuote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
It is been proven/factual that there is a Religion/Cult that is spreading in Africa, Philippine's and other distressed countries believing it will help them (brainwashed like in any cult), you just seem to forget all the weak minded people in the world, be it starving or poor, that can be manipulated into believing anything..
Would you live in a refugee camp with your wife and children knowing you could leave anytime you wanted and better yourself?? Or would you stay there for 40 years on beliefs that someone is going to make it better??
And i can tell you it scares me...
The biggest problem is not fear, it is facing reality....
PS. and on the last one:D That shouldn't scare you, no one in your country is smart enough to do a better job LOL!! Or wouldn't you think they would have it:lol:
That's what makes News in the US my friend, and i said read between the lines on Foreign News(including Russia that's hates the US and Israel LOL!!)Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Sanders is a Putz and a puppet, do you really think he doesn't have advisers that help??
Meg you can vote for anyone you want, it is your right...But before you jump at me to post things ?? trust your judgment and being an intelligent person do your own research on your Presidential candidates (plus this is all crap because Sanders is not going to beat Clinton anyways:D), And anyone supposedly running the country (don't forget the advisers Kerry for instance:rolleyes:), you hope has the best interest of life, and foreign policy is very important for that freedom..
I feel safe when i hear stories like this yet a small blurb on news media (was in the Florida newspapers, But gotta keep the Iran deal safe i guess:idunno:, and this happens all the time , but if you don't read in the right places Meg you feel safe:D)
Follow the nice link:D
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.717538
PS. And Sanders is not Pro anything until the puppeteer pulls his strings, Is that the same for Clinton and Trump??
And Americans remember the scandals, not the 10 things not reported in US news that saved lives, Just like the Iran deal (still selling arms to Terrorists around the world )??? Obama's legacy right?? When that goes sideways what happens to legacy's:idunno:
Read this:D Trust, working at its best:D This is you guys but Israel will get blamed in some way:whistling
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/wo...gulf.html?_r=0
Is English football really Rugby??:unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
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As for the political breakdown?? The question is even if you think you are voting for the right person to Run the country?? will your dreams come true??
Really the face that you see that they say is the leader and in charge?? Or is it just a face behind the people holding the strings??
Every election Promises , Promises , Promises?? it would be great if one of the three promises are actually a reality :D
That is why debating some things be it on this tread or in the so called lounge/the drawing room??
Who here really wants to participate?? Who has the balls to suggest solutions or rant there pet peeves??
It is amazing that some people have things to say yet afraid to put it in words on the screen??
If i posted this question in the drawing room??
All around the world why do "radical sharia muslims choose to live in democracy countries or states??"
What would be the impression of myself ??
That will do but I've got a better idea. Let's carve out countries within the countries. Let's portray oppressed as the bully and oppressor as the victim. Let's carry out a systematical genocide. Let's plant an idea within the peoples mind that the captives have done something to have deserved this. Let's just terminate them to have all the resources for ourselves. Let's not teach anybody a lesson, Let's accomplish it quietly and swiftly. Let's just live only for pleasure till eternity and let's not give a fuck about the expense it comes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Better yet let's all be Iceland because seriously those albino bastards have got it all figured out.
Either that our we could just get rid of religion.
Two things I've noticed, ever since the inception of Instagram the standard of what passes for beautiful seems to have dropped precipitously and religion as a whole has contributed to far,far,farrrrrrr more harm than good.
USA! USA! USA! I always knew you were an imperialist, WhatCD!Quote:
Originally Posted by whatcdfanThat will do but I've got a better idea. Let's carve out countries within the countries. Let's portray oppressed as the bully and oppressor as the victim. Let's carry out a systematical genocide. Let's plant an idea within the peoples mind that the captives have done something to have deserved this. Let's just terminate them to have all the resources for ourselves. Let's not teach anybody a lesson, Let's accomplish it quietly and swiftly. Let's just live only for pleasure till eternity and let's not give a fuck about the expense it comes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Still doesn't address anything Idol said, but I do like the 'Merkin spirit in you. Let it floooow through you!
I've come to accept the fact that on FST at least, never has, never will.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Probably some relevant point here about concentrating on fixing your own problems because you can't decide what other people choose to do but arsed if can think of it.
:glag:Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Occupying somebody's territory and carrying out a genocide has more to do with the Capitalism and Racism then with the religion. Well except for Jews maybe cuz they consider themselves as flash and blood sons of the God and thus all his creation is their property.Quote:
Two things I've noticed, ever since the inception of Instagram the standard of what passes for beautiful seems to have dropped precipitously and religion as a whole has contributed to far,far,farrrrrrr more harm than good.
As for the religion, yeah I don't blame you for having such stance cuz instead of reaping the benefits of justice/equality which religion dispense, west was exploited and betrayed by the evil institution called church,hence the irritation. But that's not always the case, Arabs are a prime example of it. In the Pre-Islamic era, Arabs were nothing but just a bunch of insignificant nomads that had nothing to contribute to the human progress, how Islam has transformed them into a civilization, created a just social order based on equality and fraternity which paved the way for learning and development with which they attained unbelievable success. Ever since the 15th century the level of faith among the Muslims have gone down gradually and see where it has brought them. Also I recall a very good verse from the Koran
After 14 centuries now I'm seeing the consequences. Countries dismantled, entire generations lost, mass movements, exiles, bloodshed, wars, only the value of the material stands and all things human lost, it's all under the command of the west fighting for the pillars of it's idea of civilization, Capitalism and Sexism.Quote:
Oh Prophet! The alterations that they've made to the faith I sent upon Jesus, If I will tell you the consequences which will be revealed, you will suffocate to death
Salaheddin also fought the west and won and the propaganda wars were hot even then. Instead of being termed as a terrorist he earned the respect of the people he fought because he did it the "Islamic way".
Also, thinking Islam is only a religion is a mistake, it's a civilization i.e it not only tells you how to worship God but it also has regulations for all aspects of human life and it also has the charter of rights for the people that choose not to be Muslims, one of which is the freedom to worship any God you wish and even on the public places.
P.S We were discussing racism not religion, right?
It's a good substitute for disgusting since they couldn't take a picture of her soul.
Whatever happens I think whoever is next President should create a position where a guy just goes around punching people like this in the face with impunity.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/...arty-1.2889327
They can add Bieber and his father to the list.
Faith is both a wonderful and a terrible thing depending entirely where you place it.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatcdfan
Btw I've seen both Kingdom of Heaven and Lawrence of Arabia like 14 times each so I'm basically an expert on who carries the most blame when it comes to the Middle East.
Discussing because those are two of the few things that you can't reasonably debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatcdfan
Couldn't grasp that but all I know is that Faith helps, one with faith would think twice before making a decision because he believes that he will be held accountable for their deeds. Well except for if a society makes a statue of faith then often then not people use it as a cover for their evil acts.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Well said Idol, well said, it can't be said any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
"Also, thinking Islam is only a religion is a mistake, it's a civilization i.e it not only tells you how to worship God but it also has regulations for all aspects of human life and it also has the charter of rights for the people that choose not to be Muslims, one of which is the freedom to worship any God you wish and even on the public places."
That's just mad talk.
Anyone who isn't a mentalist knows there are only two option.
No God or one God.
I am happy to accept and respect either position, however loads of Gods, that doesn't even make sense. How can you have more than one supreme being.
Just because I don't sideline with the terrorists, you termed me as Imperialist. I truly feel embarrassed.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Also, I don't sideline with the terrorists because unlike them I wouldn't get paid in Dollars.
You totally misunderstood what I said. Who said anything about more then one God? All I said is that Islam gives rights to the Non-Muslims to practice their faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
And yeah if you look closely in the operations of the universe, you will realize that it can't have two decision makers. It has to be solely owned and operated.
Interesting thoughts Cdfan......Quote:
Originally Posted by whatcdfan
Would this not fall into any faith?? Usually no faith/following would ever refuse you, but maybe some faiths have different rolls for you??Quote:
Originally Posted by whatcdfan
Mary thinks I'm a genius but to be fair, it's Mary.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatcdfanWell said Idol, well said, it can't be said any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Ok JPaul lets agree with this?? So who is the one G-D??Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
Edit.. Myself being a part time Canadian Atheist n all....
I was agreeing with you, BTW. Everything you described was the imperialist mentality and the very foundation of how our country was rooted. I have a fair amount of sympathy for the fight against Israel (not that I am against Jews, let me say that). The US (UN, whatever they were before) had no right to 'give' that land away. The amount of bloodshed over that fucking area and all of the ancillary backlash is ridiculous. Flip a fucking coin and they either go or stay. If Israel loses, they can have a patch of land inside Arizona or Nevada. At least the US has the right to give that land away.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatcdfanJust because I don't sideline with the terrorists, you termed me as Imperialist. I truly feel embarrassed.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Also, I don't sideline with the terrorists because unlike them I wouldn't get paid in Dollars.
First off the land was not given it was fought for just like where you live and where i live now, to me that is a pretty naive statement you made?? If you mean that the United Nations recognized Israel as a Democracy State?? Well what is the USA??....And the The Egyptians and Jordanians (there was no such people, Palestinians were formed by Arafat?? (If you challenge that please do??) had a chance to fight side by side in three wars and decided to be manipulated by other parts of the middle east to leave and live in refugee camps (hundreds of thousands and never allowed citizenship or immigration status in those Arab countries or lands, and even today, still in camps 60(aprox) years and still waiting for the Jews to be gone, consider it failed promises of hope from the countries they are hostages in now, there own people) and then once the Jews were destroyed, they could go back and live Jew free in Palestine.. Hens there justification of right of return. And you better realize reality, and understand the fight is not just for the land, it is to remove the Jewish population out of the Middle East, Like it or not, and we are your Allies Meg:DQuote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
And Reality is.... That is never going to happen, but if you want to give the Palestinians sympathy, fight for there own Brethren that have room in there lands to take them in and make a better life for themselves...
The truth is the Palestinians are used as pawns for the whole Muslim nation and they always have, hundreds of thousands of Muslims are killed every day, be it Americans, Russians, or there own people killing each other, but oh my G=D Israel kills 3 Palestinians(And it could have been a Muslim in the IDF that did it but it is the Jews fault not Israel), holy shit Israel is plastered all over North American news, but right now Israel just found 2 tunnels going from the Gaza strip under the fence into Israel, and there are there for really good intentions right?? Now you watch American media on Thursday and nothing really on the tunnels but Israel was Tank shelling into Gaza, but the five rockets from Hamas (really another group but Hamas is in charge of Gaza which everyone around the world including Muslims know them as a terrorist group!!), while Israel was locating the tunnels, investigating and destroying them near the fence and they were firing from Gaza because the tunnels were found Doh!!...Yet this all started Tuesday and Wednesday, but not reported until Israel sent fighter jets in to destroy the targets/threats...
I will say and i have in other posts Israel is no Angel !!!, and what they are doing in the west bank is not helping there cause nor do i agree what they are doing..All the Jews were kicked out of Gaza period, The Palestinians turned it into a toilet seat, there choice, and still keep trying to kill there neighbors on both sides, and don't be fooled a lot of the Arab world knows this and choose not to have the headaches and now are moving to Israel's side...Go figure..
Reality is.. Israel will never loose, and instead of waiting another 60 years like they have it is time to move on, and better there lives...
And you want a chance of peace... recognize Israel has the right to exist, have peace and calm, maybe if that happens The Hatfields and the Mccoys can live side by side, but give them a Port with no Israeli security ?? Iran will give them weapons to kill Jews, give them an Airport Iran will fly in weapons, they are so stupid they try to hide the weapons in the goods inspected through the Israeli border now , and Egypt just closes there border period....Another Reality Check.... Israel could wipe out the Gaza and the West Bank in one day (Fact!!), yet they don't, sometimes you have to ask yourself?? What country or nation would tolerate always being under threat?? Why not just kill them all and take over the land or push them into other Muslim countries?? Well killing them all is not humane is it?? But if you are in camps already in other Muslim countries why are you waiting 60 years for your so called right of return not happening?? Time to move on like the Jews did and every other race.....
I just can't understand why people can't comprehend, regardless what happens in Israel there will never be calm in the Middle East...They hate western culture!!
And Meg why don't you give that same invitation to the Palestinians to move or give them immigration status to live in Arizona or Nevada where there already is a Jewish population there as well other race and religions?? Why doesn't your US government override all the so called Jews that supposedly run your County?? Won't that bring peace?? They would refuse that, live in camps or Live in poverty next to Israel and try to kill Jews, That is there DNA(And there leaders Charter but now, not All Muslims feel the same)..where Israel wants to protect all of it's citizens not matter what race, religion, or color, or choice of partners, including recruits in the IDF to protect there way of life. What about the Muslims in the IDF(The Quran in there hands while they are swore in the IDF by the way) that fight to protect Israel? Shit that doesn't sound right:rolleyes:
And i do appreciate you offering the invitation Meg, but that is not going to solve the problems in the Middle East...
Cdfan... I don't hate anyone enough(I hope you are the same) to pick up a knife with the intent to kill, and even if i did i know the difference between right and wrong. Is it where i was raised in a Democracy?? It could be,Would i teach and let my kids go out and do it?? Heck No!!, but i could be considered a bigot, racists or a plain asshole but the knife i use for cutting my food, not stab human beings , but if someone would try to do it to me or my family, i can say it would not be in there best interest, and if was put in that position , i would put myself in front, and my children behind away from harms way, and that has nothing to do with religion!!! that has to do with common sense and my families lives are cherished...
The little peanut called Israel was a piece of dessert.... What about now?? The PLO and Hamas are given Billions of dollars for there people, what is there to show for it?? what do they give the world?? That is not just my beliefs that is proven Facts!!
Peace and Calm/Recognition will make everyone happy:D
Edit.. You know Meg i read your post over and over and i know you won't respond to mine, but when you read this, i hope you can respect this war was never about land, it is about the Jews , and it always was........Israel, Jerusalem and many other holy places in Israel are never ever mentioned in the Quran?? What about the Christian bible and the Torah??
Where really is the connection?? There is none, If you look at pictures of the Wailing Wall, considered one of the most holy places in Judaism Faith, (Yours i would think Bethlehem where Jesus was born), on the side where the holy Hebs pray it is kept pristine on the other side where the Palestinians live, graffiti and garbage everywhere(Israel is constantly cleaning and removing graffiti, and a lot of my friends that traveled there have seen it in person ) , if they ever got ruling powers, all that history and heritage would be turned to shit because they have no interest in it.....
Not using it as a excuse, but as i said it is not the land they really want, Iran and Arming/Funding terrorists proves that every day the Jews exists in Israel and the Middle East.. The Palestinians(Arafat contribution), has always been the pawns to fight a fight they can never win, and that i do feel bad about, there are innocent people caught in the middle of this shit.
You can see i am Human, but i don't want the Jews exterminated either...
Regards
Shay