Re: The best British county
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Originally Posted by manker
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Originally Posted by meirionwyllt
I'm sorry but I'll have to pick you up on almost every thing you said there...
It depends which ones you speak to. True we did vote quite convincingly against devolution in 1979 but I feel it is only now that us Welsh are starting to nurture self-belief. The iron fist of previous Tory goverments have had such a tight grip on our country that it has made us insitutionalised, and has convinced many Welsh people that we could not govern ourselves - which is nonsense since there are many small countries in Europe that have boomed (relatively speaking) since gaining independence.
Besides, there's the language issue - this is a perfect example of English oppression. Being Welsh I assume you've heard of the "Welsh Not" - if you were English I would feel as though I'd have to explain it to you, since the English establishment have well and truly brushed that under the carpet. Most Welsh speakers I know (and every Scottish and Irish person I've met) hate the establishment and really don't want anything to do with it, or its monarchy (but that's another story).
Wel it's quite simple really - along the ages (pre-Roman), the Celts became two divisions, Brythoneg (an ancestor of the Welsh language) and Goideleg (out of which Gaelic has come). These were names that one division used to descbribe the other, so Brython was a name for someone speaking Brythoneg, which has now evolved and split up into Welsh, Cornish and Breton (spoken in Brittany) so the fact that the Romans came here, noticed the word Brython and decided to call the island Brittania for a few hundred years until they buggered off again, bears little relevance to the argument.
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Originally Posted by manker
There is little evidence of the Celtic people migrating to the UK - indeed, our own culture and language probably pre-dates that of the true Celtic people ... altho' we did copy them a lot. It is much more likely that the people that the Romans pushed to the outer reaches of the British Isles when they invaded were original Britons. Most of whom had land in modern day England.
You're not making sense - the "original Britons" WERE Celtic - one was a branch off of the other. And as for there not being much evidence of Celtic migration, this island is awash with remnants of their existance here, such as the myriad of burial mounds, stone circles, and tomb stones, all characteristic of the Celtic ways.
I know that this must be really boring for those of you who don't care, and for this I apologise - I tried to end this in my last post.
Seriously, I think you might have brain aids.
I know for a fact that what I said earlier was right and if you'tr tryig to refute it, then braain aids is the obvious cause.
Not that I can rekmemnber what I said earler but it was right. FDact.
Babycham is a great slave, but a poor master.
Re: The best British county
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Originally Posted by manker
Seriously, I think you might have brain aids.
I know for a fact that what I said earlier was right and if you'tr tryig to refute it, then braain aids is the obvious cause.
Not that I can rekmemnber what I said earler but it was right. FDact.
I don't know why but I can't stop giggling at that.
Re: The best British county
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Originally Posted by NikkiD
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Originally Posted by manker
Seriously, I think you might have brain aids.
I know for a fact that what I said earlier was right and if you'tr tryig to refute it, then braain aids is the obvious cause.
Not that I can rekmemnber what I said earler but it was right. FDact.
I don't know why but I can't stop giggling at that.
Manker won't be in the morning. Look at at all the grammer mistakes :pinch:
Re: The best British county
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Originally Posted by manker
Seriously, I think you might have brain aids.
I know for a fact that what I said earlier was right and if you'tr tryig to refute it, then braain aids is the obvious cause.
Not that I can rekmemnber what I said earler but it was right. FDact.
Hmm, many typing errors in the above passage. I would suggest a diagnosis of one's own problems before offering others your medicinary wisdom.
You disappoint me. I thought we were having a debate here - I refuse to lower myself to your infantile level of humour.
Besides, how can you say that events of thousands of years ago are "FDact"? We do not have fact to support my claim or yours, we only have evidence and expert advice from historians/archeologists.
Now, there goes my 5 posts - in a few days I can post on the Invites request thread. Good little banter there!! Cheers.
Re: The best British county
Why do all my threads turn into arguments about Welsh history? :(
Re: The best British county
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Originally Posted by meirionwyllt
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Originally Posted by manker
Seriously, I think you might have brain aids.
I know for a fact that what I said earlier was right and if you'tr tryig to refute it, then braain aids is the obvious cause.
Not that I can rekmemnber what I said earler but it was right. FDact.
Hmm, many typing errors in the above passage. I would suggest a diagnosis of one's own problems before offering others your medicinary wisdom.
You disappoint me. I thought we were having a debate here - I refuse to lower myself to your infantile level of humour.
Besides, how can you say that events of thousands of years ago are "FDact"? We do not have fact to support my claim or yours, we only have evidence and expert advice from historians/archeologists.
I was drunk, dick 'ed.
Your point of view differs to mine - my understanding of history is that the Celts are a continental race of ancient people that did not migrate to our shores. This view is a fairly modern one and has been written about extensively over the past ten years or so.
The evidence of which you speak is circumstantial at best, the art and traditions detailed in Welsh history were copies of true Celtic art.
I've noticed many older Welshmen (My Dad, for example) and women really don't like this POV - preferring the romantic cliche of being descendents of a Celtic race. Sadly, according to me and eminant archaeologists such as Richard Rudgley, this isn't the case.
If you prefer to dwell upon past historical presumptions, that is a matter for you - I'd rather look at the evidence (or lack of, concerning Celtic settlements in Wales) and make my own mind up.
Re: The best British county
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Originally Posted by Cheese
Why do all my threads turn into arguments about Welsh history? :(
Shut it, Pennycomequick boy :dry:
Re: The best British county
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Originally Posted by meirionwyllt
Now, there goes my 5 posts - in a few days I can post on the Invites request thread. Good little banter there!! Cheers.
Good luck getting the invites and thanks for all you have contributed to this forum.
Re: The best British county
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Originally Posted by manker
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Originally Posted by Cheese
Why do all my threads turn into arguments about Welsh history? :(
Shut it, Pennycomequick boy :dry:
:lol: - I vaguely remember that argument, something about Pennycomequick being an ancient Welsh settlement.
Re: The best British county
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Originally Posted by Cheese
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Originally Posted by manker
Shut it, Pennycomequick boy :dry:
:lol: - I vaguely remember that argument, something about Pennycomequick being an ancient Welsh settlement.
Yeah, I think I got pwned by Billy :dabs:
