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actually i've just noticed my mistake, i choose #2...i don't believeQuote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
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to answer your question.....yes
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Originally Posted by vidccactually i've just noticed my mistake, i choose #2...i don't believeQuote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
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to answer your question.....yes
I have never had a problem with people correcting things or putting it in context, but your statement matches my beliefs perfectly, that you didn't mean to say that is a different thing ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SnnYI don't think my statement matches your beliefs, because I know the context I posted this within :pinch:Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
I don't believe in God.
This because there's no proof that he exists.
And yes the 1&2 are too close together on the keyboard:frusty:
As fun as this has been, I need about a thousand winks, now.
If you get bored, just imagine me saying the opposite of what you think and keep going, and I'll try and fill in the blanks in later on :unsure:
Debating stuff like this is more fun than shouting insults at people anyways :happy:
Indeed I mean leaving worship out of it. Many folk like to bring the Bible and worship into the discussion when it is clearly out of scope.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidccactually i've just noticed my mistake, i choose #2...i don't believeQuote:
Originally Posted by Busyman™
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to answer your question.....yes... although I could accept the theory that god isn't a "supreme being" or other such thing that would respond to worship, but is instead just a word to describe "nature" and the process that created. Even then I would call it nature and not god.
What you refer to in your last was one thing that crossed my mind when I was younger. The God is literally everything.
My belief in a supreme sentient being started when I looked at how nature worked a certain way. My thought was that there is rule set, however basic it started, that had to be determined.
So when having to toss up what started everything, a sentient being or non sentient matter my conclusion was sentient being.
Now I can't prove it scientifically but so what, it's my belief based on some logic. No one has to prove anything to believe it.
It hasn't been proven OJ killed anyone yet many believe he did it and what was shown was proof enough to those people.
Saying something is and you believe something is are two different things.
Wrong, there is a fourth ... Neither 1 nor 2 can be proven, therefore I neither believe nor disbelieve. This isn't the same as 3, which admits either 1 or 2 could be right, but that you haven't decided which one.Quote:
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This is a contradiction of what you said in an earlier post ...Quote:
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I find SnnY's posts quite confusing, an atheist says, I don't believe in God[s], SnnY says ..
Where is this atheist 'doctrine' you disassociate yourself with?Quote:
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Is there a possibility that God was 'invented' because all the other Gods around at the time were about to be disproved as Gods and proven that they were only a tangible part of the Universe? Sun, Moon, Sea Gods etc.
If that was the case then I admire the 'Inventor'.:) What a salesman, 'selling' something that is not tangible.:)
At the moment I dont believe in any religion. I have reached the age where I am keeping my options open.:rolleyes: I do, however, believe in their morals. Religion itself is not to blame for any wrongs done in its name. It the Religious adherents who do stupid things in the name of that religion that are to blame. A bit like; the road does not cause any road accidents. It's only the people and vehicles using the roads that are the cause of accidents. There are very few, exceptions to the above.:whistling
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i'd say it's more likely, as it's not supernatural
It was very early in the morning, however, if you'd read all of what I said, instead of the bits you thought made for nice cutouts, you'da' understood what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ava EstelleWrong, there is a fourth ... Neither 1 nor 2 can be proven, therefore I neither believe nor disbelieve. This isn't the same as 3, which admits either 1 or 2 could be right, but that you haven't decided which one.
This is a contradiction of what you said in an earlier post ...Quote:
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I find SnnY's posts quite confusing, an atheist says, I don't believe in God[s], SnnY says ..
Where is this atheist 'doctrine' you disassociate yourself with?Quote:
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However, once more for the hard of reading:
I don't don't believe, or believe in God the way JP, Dave, or vid does.
I know that there is a possibility that God exists, but I also know that there is a possibility that one doesn't, this knowledge doesn't equal believing in, or not beliving in God the way a religious person, or an atheist does. I know neither can be proven, and therefore I'm open to the fact that either possibility may be true, or false.
Therefore I don't believe in God, but I also don't "don't believe in God" the way vid does, since what he's saying really is that he believes that God doesn't exist. My not believing doesn't mean the same thing as an atheists believing. (I explained this, tho', and stopped saying that "I don't believe", since that became confusing.)
He believes in something. I don't. In this case. (vid would say I believe in possibilities or sth, which I disagree on, as I say I know that neither possibility can be disproven at this point in time. This is because of there's plenty of empirical evidence that not all is known, and that since it isn't, we don't have the means to know everything, and so on.)
The only reason I didn't go over it and clarify, was because vid had already quoted me, and I'd already made an amendment to clarify the context in which that was posted in a later post.
And dave, no.
The odds for Martians existing here and now would most likely be far worse than the existence of a God somewhere, at some level of existence, somewhere.
As I've been saying, there's a lot to reality that isn't known, and therefore the odds for a God existing, or not existing, can't be determined at all, and until they can, no one can say however it's improbable or not, whereas the Martians we can say something about.
Parallel universes, m-space, eleven dimensions (not the same as parallel dimensions, btw), holographic universe, ever-changing laws of physics, near (from our POV) infinite time, and space, or possibly just infinite.
And at any point in time, or that space, a god, or godlike creature, could exist, or start existing.
As for the martians:
We (think we) know something of Mars, today, in this space, we know that there have been no known observations of martians, we know that skin is mostly just carbon, and that can be found anywhere, as can all of the elements constituting a human body, so there'd not be much of a point in collecting that for fuel, so they most likely wouldn't go here for that, 'cos it'd be insane, and so on.
EDit: And it's also fairly specific, and for each detail: Time, space, purpose, point of origin, etc, it becomes less probable.
How does that work then. As I understand it the default position in western society for many years was the belief in a God. It quite possibly still is.Quote:
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i understand the whole 10th dimension thing and infinity and shizzle. the point is that even if a godlike creature came to exist in another universe. if it came into our universe it would obey our physics. now an alien with great technology but poor common sense could exist. even if it came from another dimension's planet mars, it breaks no laws hereQuote:
Originally Posted by SnnYIt was very early in the morning, however, if you'd read all of what I said, instead of the bits you thought made for nice cutouts, you'da' understood what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ava Estelle
However, once more for the hard of reading:
I don't don't believe, or believe in God the way JP, Dave, or vid does.
I know that there is a possibility that God exists, but I also know that there is a possibility that one doesn't, this knowledge doesn't equal believing in, or not beliving in God the way a religious person, or an atheist does. I know neither can be proven, and therefore I'm open to the fact that either possibility may be true, or false.
Therefore I don't believe in God, but I also don't "don't believe in God" the way vid does, since what he's saying really is that he believes that God doesn't exist. My not believing doesn't mean the same thing as an atheists believing. (I explained this, tho', and stopped saying that "I don't believe", since that became confusing.)
He believes in something. I don't. In this case. (vid would say I believe in possibilities or sth, which I disagree on, as I say I know that neither possibility can be disproven at this point in time. This is because of there's plenty of empirical evidence that not all is known, and that since it isn't, we don't have the means to know everything, and so on.)
The only reason I didn't go over it and clarify, was because vid had already quoted me, and I'd already made an amendment to clarify the context in which that was posted in a later post.
And dave, no.
The odds for Martians existing here and now would most likely be far worse than the existence of a God somewhere, at some level of existence, somewhere.
As I've been saying, there's a lot to reality that isn't known, and therefore the odds for a God existing, or not existing, can't be determined at all, and until they can, no one can say however it's improbable or not, whereas the Martians we can say something about.
Parallel universes, m-space, eleven dimensions (not the same as parallel dimensions, btw), holographic universe, ever-changing laws of physics, near (from our POV) infinite time, and space, or possibly just infinite.
And at any point in time, or that space, a god, or godlike creature, could exist, or start existing.
As for the martians:
We (think we) know something of Mars, today, in this space, we know that there have been no known observations of martians, we know that skin is mostly just carbon, and that can be found anywhere, as can all of the elements constituting a human body, so there'd not be much of a point in collecting that for fuel, so they most likely wouldn't go here for that, 'cos it'd be insane, and so on.
EDit: And it's also fairly specific, and for each detail: Time, space, purpose, point of origin, etc, it becomes less probable.