partial seeding improves your ratio - a myth

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Originally Posted by soulreaper

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Originally Posted by Nemrod

it´s not fair...

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Not fair? I'll tell you what's not fair. Thousands of Indians(barring IT workers) having shitty copper lines with 384 KB/s connections being told they have optic fiber 2mb connections, that my friend is a travesty.
While thousands of users in Romania and Sweden enjoy gbit connections without shelling out a fortune and become PUs and VIPs, Do you see the disparity?

Do they(*hint hint*) deserve a 20 GB action movie pack more than I do coz they have a fuckin gbit connection and I dont? No.

Does that mean I don't like to seed? NO.

Have the tracker staff at ratio oriented sites ever thought about those users with really bad connections without prompting them to press the P2L button? Probably not. Atleast they allow them to partial seed.

As much as I hate to say it, torrenting in the hard-to-seed sites has been reduced to a cut-throat competition, most users want massive buffers without thinking about their fellow brother torrenters who might have shitty connections.

Tell you what, come over to India(or any third world country,no offense intended to anyone) and build your ratio with 30 KB/s upspeed and 40KB/s downspeed without partial seeding on a site like Bitmetv or Waffles.

PS:- Prove me wrong and I might just show you Taj Mahal.

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Talk to your senator. :)

Seriously now... Are you telling me all that speech living myself in a third world country and having until few weeks ago a 4Mbits/512kbits?... and paying more than 110 $/month for it... and with capping download speeds 60% of the time and hardly upload speeds of 40 KBs?

Come on, mate, don´t tell me stories because I´m returning from the end of Storyworld.

And thanks for your offer, but I already know The Taj Mahal. ;)

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

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Them poor newbs who sign up, then jump all over the huge torrents thinking there are plenty of leechers still leeching, then realise they have been sucked into something they can't possibly seed back, and then the only way out is to buy some GB from the P2L scheme :whistling

They couldn't possibly be doing that on purpose then.............. could they? :P

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I'm not going to speculate on why, but there is a sticky'd tutorial on how to partial seed in their forums with encouraging comments from admins.

It really just depends on what your seeding, where you are seeding at, and how fast your speeds at. Honestly if you partial seed a few random rars in pack release it's prolly not going to help you out much. If you download a few episodes of that pack your seeding will be better.

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Originally Posted by benchez

Well there are some places that take that in to consideration with a ratio-less system. Perhaps such users should stick to those trackers if bandwidth/speed is a problem. :unsure:

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yes there is that option also... and there's ThePirateBay, mininova, demonoid, ect....

Very interesting post. I guess a real life experiment would be set up 2 accounts in same seedbox, grab same torrent at same time, and seed for same amount of time, and compare the results. Idealy, PB's calculation was correct. But for a slow connection new member, partial seeding would help to build initial buffer. It's a way to keep an account alive and be able to start downloading what you need. It's really pointless to over use it as it won't benefit anyone.

Partial seeding DOES work if you've got a slower connection than your peers and you get on a hot torrent while it's still fresh.

If you are seeding 100% of a file, people will download at least one chunk from you and one chunk from someone else - then the second chunk they download will be from the faster seeder(s), while you will move down in priority(assuming you have a slow connection), and so on. The problem is that they will not be downloading more than 1 or two chunks from you before they decide that you are too slow.

So if you only downloaded 1 or 2 chunks to begin with, then you are guaranteed to have a 1:1 ratio after uploading that to one person. Who cares if they don't download the second chunk, you already have a 1:1 ratio.

I've got firsthand experience that partial seeding works - after it being suggested by a mod on BitMeTV, TequilaVIP, nice guy too. Several time I've had a ratio > 20:1 within a day using partial seeding. I've never been able to recreate that when downloading an entire torrent - mostly because there are so many seedboxes there.

That said, here is how to do partial seeding in utorrent:
1. start the download (wait until about 10mb are downloaded)
2. go to the files tab
3. highlight the files
4. right click and choose don't download

It will finish downloading the chunk that it's working on and then seed all downloaded chunks. This usually only works on new and hot torrents so get on it early.

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Originally Posted by Nemrod

living myself in a third world country and having until few weeks ago a 4Mbits/512kbits?... and paying more than 110 $/month for it...

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4mbits/512kbits?!!?? What third world country has 4mbit?:lol:
90% indian home connections are 256KB/s,some may have 512KB/s. Maybe I should switch bases,time to get that visa!

If I had to pay more than 110$/month(Rs 4620/month) for an internet connection,I'd be on the streets begging for food and shelter.

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Originally Posted by benchez

Well there are some places that take that in to consideration with a ratio-less system. Perhaps such users should stick to those trackers if bandwidth/speed is a problem. :unsure:

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Yah well too bad ratio-free sites like Ftn and iTS never have open signups aye? :lol:
Maybe you could give me a head start Benchez?

At least i don`t need to get a box to seed back my torrents :D

the rest doesn`t matter

its not a myth at all and it works great for ppl with slower speeds. if you only choose a couple rars then you have those complete rars whereas others will just have a couple pieces of them along with every other rar as they're downloading so a lot more peers will be forced to go to you to dl the information that most people dont have yet when the torrent is first starting. basically you want to connect to the original seeder and get those full rars before anyone else and a lot of people will connect to you and you'll max out your speed until the majority of people are done downloading the whole thing. if you have a seedbox or really good speeds it wont matter much if any at all and downloading the whole thing is actually smarter in that case but with really slow speeds partial downloading is the way to go.

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Originally Posted by aysomc

its not a myth at all and it works great for ppl with slower speeds. if you only choose a couple rars then you have those complete rars whereas others will just have a couple pieces of them along with every other rar as they're downloading so a lot more peers will be forced to go to you to dl the information that most people dont have yet when the torrent is first starting. basically you want to connect to the original seeder and get those full rars before anyone else and a lot of people will connect to you and you'll max out your speed until the majority of people are done downloading the whole thing. if you have a seedbox or really good speeds it wont matter much if any at all and downloading the whole thing is actually smarter in that case but with really slow speeds partial downloading is the way to go.

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Yes this may be true but what happens then when you want a whole film and a few people are part seeding, you will be either unable to seed it back fully or will take a lot longer to seed back the whole thing.
So in reality it works but it hinders other people trying to keep there ratio and on another torrent that person may well be YOU.
Do the maths people on any torrent not every one can seed to a ratio or 1 any way as the uploader will seed to a good ratio probable a min of 4 if several snatches so that is already 4 people that will not be able to get a ratio of 1 on that torrent then part seeders and over seeders make it even worse.