Dems Refuse To Release Tape Of Hatefest

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Originally posted by SuperJude™@17 July 2004 - 10:08
It is posts like that which keep me from really delving too much into political discussion. Some people will just argue anything I guess. Seeing as how posting anything in response to you clocker is utterly pointless I guess I should just shut up and agree with you.

Right?

Nothing worse than just blindly making points. BTW clocker were you blender before?

-SJ™

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I was hardly debating "just anything" SJ, but I never expected you to agree with me either.
I would say that making absurd statements based on "what everybody agrees on" is a far more egregious trespass than just "blindly making points".

Who was "blender"?

J2K4,

As i said everything is subjective...

To me there arent many "Liberals" at all in the USA, both the Democratic and Republican Parties are "Conservative"... I would therefore bet that to me none of those publications will sound "Liberal".

The difference between an opinion and a study, is that the study will have a "Terms of Reference"...

A fixed point that the people conducting the study will stick by.

I would assume that this would be based upon on the subject being studied... in this case the US media, and that they will have a Centre Point, by which to judge the criteria.



If the same "Terms of Reference" were used in the UK, then the study may well have the opposite result, showing all or most UK media was "Liberal", unless the Terms were changed to reflect what is classed as "Liberal" and "Conservative" in this country.


I trust this clears up my feelings on the matter to you... in my opinion there is very little to no "Liberal" mainstream media outlets in the USA.

This does however, also contradict the Study :P

Well, then, let me change the pitch a bit.

Fifty cents to the first person who can find a quote from a Conservative that matches the vitriol of this commentary, provided by a black female member of the media about a black conservative member of our Supreme Court:

USA Today columnist and Pacifica Radio talk show host Julianne Malveaux on Justice Thomas:
"The man is on the Court. You know, I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease. Well, that’s how I feel. He is an absolutely reprehensible person."

As SuperJude said, it's downright difficult to match the libs for crudeness.

BTW-Ms. Malveaux's commentary didn't raise an eyebrow in any liberal quarters that I'm aware of; she certainly didn't suffer economically.

Rat-

Nice opt-out: "It's all conservative to me!"

Tish and pish. :P

If the media is capable of upsetting both the left and the right, as the Beeb does on a regular basis, then one can reasonably assume that it is not partisan.

The question of whether media outlets are Liberal or not is an altogether different question. It is commonly held that Rupert Murdoch is Satan.....oops sorry, I mean Conservative. However, his main paper in the UK, The Sun, takes salaciousness to extremes and is full of naked women. The Vatican would view this as intolerably Liberal. The Hun, nevertheless, often speaks as if it is the Pontiff casting judgement on all and sundry, seemingly oblivious to the naked women. A nasty case of the Borgias one thinks.

However, The Bun is simply reflecting what its readers want - which is why it sells so well. A good mixture of rant and sleaze is what the populace wants. It is therefore reasonable to assume that these people, whilst holding some remarkably Conservative views on some issues are extremely Liberal on others. This is the quandry for politicians. They know there is no mileage in "going back to Victorian values". If people were to have their Daily Nun seized at the printers for being salacious they would beat their chests full sore. If they were told, you cannot have a divorce because it is against nature they would mutter darkly. If women were told that they were to return to being chattels and had no right to own property then nasty things would be done with knitting needles.

In short, by comparison to even 100 years ago most of us are Liberals. There are one or two that would take us back to these narrowly Conservative values but they are most certainly not the Silent Majority.

The Majority actually knows it is the Confused Majority. It knows it does not want to go back to a straight-jacketed society, but it would like the police to catch criminals. It does not want to grow wealthy off the backs of starving peasants in the Third World, but it doesn't want to pay taxes either. Consequently, they hedge their bets. In the UK when we had a Conservative Government just about every city council was Labour. Labour have gained dominance by being Consevative (driving the real Conservatives nearly demented trying to sound different). I believe similar balancing acts occur in the US. Personally I see this as Risk Management in action. If you are going to have politicians then at least keep them guessing.



Apologies, this has become longer than I intended.


Incidently, isn't Slim Fast an Anglo Dutch company? I still think they based their decision on market research - Republicans must eat more :D

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Originally posted by Rat Faced@17 July 2004 - 17:58
As i said everything is subjective...

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well, where to draw the line? of course we all can draw the line between conservative and liberal individually but the point that many people have brought up is where you live is the factor. So one could say that what society as a whole thinks is right in the middle should be where the line is drawn.

Ahh democracy; power to the people.

so what do the people think? well they think that media is on the liberal side.

so if you think that the media is spot on and most of the country is on the conservative side; well, my friend you drew the line right at your feet instead of in the middle. (sorry for the metaphor, I aknowledge that many people will write this off as "babble")


on a side note, I know that the majority can and often will be wrong, but the foundation of democracy is what they say goes; that's what elections are all about!

j2k4, actually I noticed the large inbalence between liberal and conservatives on this board which determined my decision to join...you've done a sweet job holding these discussions so largely outnumbered... :D

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Originally posted by spinningfreemanny@17 July 2004 - 15:20

j2k4, actually I noticed the large inbalence between liberal and conservatives on this board which determined my decision to join...you've done a sweet job holding these discussions so largely outnumbered... :D

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Very nice of you to say, sir.

I am hostage to the task of relieving this lot of it's pecksniffian crassitude.. :lol:

Such is my sorry lot in this place. :P

Seriously, though-they like me here 'cuz I work cheap and I provide good entertainment value-if they can't afford the flicker or a concert ticket, they can just log-in instead:

"Hey, Joe; I've heard that elephant does tricks..." :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, sometimes I just kill myself.... :P

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Originally posted by j2k4@17 July 2004 - 20:31


I am hostage to the task of relieving this lot of it's pecksniffian crassitude.. :lol:

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I aspire to pecksniffian crassitude - don't you dare relieve me of it before I even get there. :unsure:

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I am hostage to the task of relieving this lot of it&#39;s pecksniffian crassitude.. :lol:

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I aspire to pecksniffian crassitude - don&#39;t you dare relieve me of it before I even get there. :unsure: [/b][/quote]
Okay, Biggles-

BTW-Ever see a flying elephant? :D

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@17 July 2004 - 20:31


I am hostage to the task of relieving this lot of it&#39;s pecksniffian crassitude.. :lol:

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I aspire to pecksniffian crassitude - don&#39;t you dare relieve me of it before I even get there. :unsure:

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Okay, Biggles-

BTW-Ever see a flying elephant? :D [/b][/quote]
In a movie once


I think it was a nature documentary - a mouse taught to it fly or something like that. :blink:

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Originally posted by j2k4@17 July 2004 - 12:09
Well, then, let me change the pitch a bit.

Fifty cents to the first person who can find a quote from a Conservative that matches the vitriol of this commentary, provided by a black female member of the media about a black conservative member of our Supreme Court:

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Bill O&#39;Reilly: "Joseph Goebbels was the Minister of Propaganda for the Nazi regime and whose very famous quote was, &#39;If you tell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth.&#39; All right? &#39;If you tell a lie long enough, it becomes the truth.&#39; And that&#39;s what Stuart Smalley and Michael Moore and all of these guys do. They just run around [...] So who turns out for the screening of this movie [Fahrenheit 9/11] last night? You ready? Now, here are the celebrities that turn out. Here are the people who would turn out to see Joseph Goebbels convince you that Poland invaded the Third Reich. It&#39;s the same thing, by the way. Propaganda is propaganda. Okay? Billy Crystal. Martin Sheen. Leonardo DiCaprio. Ellen DeGeneres. David Duchovny. Sharon Stone. Meg Ryan. Ashton Kutcher. Demi Moore. Norman Lear. Rob Reiner. Jodie Foster. Chris Rock. Larry David. Jack Black. Matthew Perry. Diane Lane."

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You owe me &#036;.50..
No checks or money orders please.

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As SuperJude said, it&#39;s downright difficult to match the libs for crudeness.

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O&#39;Reilly?