The Thirteenth Vote

Then I must repeat myself, getting ridiculed from both sides = damned if we do, damned if we don't. There will always be some that agree and many that don't.

In my view it seems that members are almost always against actions that are taken vs agree (rarely does this happen), why is that, because they have no say as to what should be done? Why is it hard to accept what one gets because of their own action/fault.

You imply that mods should listen? What about members, should they not? Perhaps the concept of give a little, get a little would be a consideration. Listening should be done from both sides of the table, wouldn't you agree?

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Originally posted by lynx@13 July 2004 - 19:43
Well, I've got to say it.

Jetje, since you became a mod your attitude towards other board members stinks.

Quite frankly, if you can't behave better than that you should be on moderation.

It'll never happen though, will it.

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well never expected such an answer from you...

but then again you probably followed me around the past 2 years ;) So you exactly know what i have been doing around here.
My attitude against other members has always been the same, fair honest and listening. 80% of what i've did i did off board, pming and trying to fix things before they really broke.

So if a long timer like you, wich i respected thinks this way....
Well no moderation needed....

later

:)

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Originally posted by jetje+13 July 2004 - 19:35--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jetje @ 13 July 2004 - 19:35)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@13 July 2004 - 19:43
Well, I&#39;ve got to say it.

Jetje, since you became a mod your attitude towards other board members stinks.

Quite frankly, if you can&#39;t behave better than that you should be on moderation.

It&#39;ll never happen though, will it.

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well never expected such an answer from you...

but then again you probably followed me around the past 2 years ;) So you exactly know what i have been doing around here.
My attitude against other members has always been the same, fair honest and listening. 80% of what i&#39;ve did i did off board, pming and trying to fix things before they really broke.

So if a long timer like you, wich i respected thinks this way....
Well no moderation needed....

later

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We have read the Team Chat logs.

So you guys continue to argue, I didn&#39;t mean to interrrupt it above with a simple question.

As always, in the dark

Hobbes

Jetje, perhaps you should go back and reread your post, and ask yourself if you would like someone talking to you that way.

Obviously I don&#39;t know what you&#39;ve been doing in the background, but your public image (and you are not alone here) has often been one of arrogant superiority, and that is the only way we can judge you.

Collectively the mods seem to think that their&#39;s is the only opinion which matters. In fact it is the only one with any effective force, but that is a different being altogether. Ordinary members do not cry "foul" for no reason, particularly when the supposed crime seems to be so petty, and by no means one-sided or even the worst offender.

Manker has pointed out that there have been several moderations and bannings recently without so much as a murmur from the members. To me that indicates that the members by and large agree with the mods. Perhaps that means that their opinion when they do comment is even more important than the mods think.

see it from the other side:

WE cannot satisfy 100% of the members.
WE mods do our best to make this forum better every day.

WE put alot of time in this board and what do we get?
Angry replies because we dont do our job correctly? Come on this isnt our job this is a hobby for us. If we would get paid to do our job here or members need to pay to &#39;enter&#39; this community THEN you can shout what you want because then you can expect quality for your money. because this isnt the situation please think that we are human and are doing our best to run this place smoothly.

ATM being a mod isnt as fun as it was. because of all what happend lately.

So I hope we all can have normal conversations again.
I am always open to chat with members that want to talk about the board or think they have idea&#39;s to improve it. etc... etc...

Ike


(did not wanted to make a new topic so I just posted this here because I wanted to say this.)

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Originally posted by Withcheese+13 July 2004 - 20:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 13 July 2004 - 20:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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Originally posted by jetje@13 July 2004 - 19:35
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@13 July 2004 - 19:43
Well, I&#39;ve got to say it.

Jetje, since you became a mod your attitude towards other board members stinks.

Quite frankly, if you can&#39;t behave better than that you should be on moderation.

It&#39;ll never happen though, will it.

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well never expected such an answer from you...

but then again you probably followed me around the past 2 years ;) So you exactly know what i have been doing around here.
My attitude against other members has always been the same, fair honest and listening. 80% of what i&#39;ve did i did off board, pming and trying to fix things before they really broke.

So if a long timer like you, wich i respected thinks this way....
Well no moderation needed....

later

:)

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We have read the Team Chat logs. [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sssh Cheese ;)

I wasnt gonna reply to this post at all, but meh...

The best way to vote is always Secret Ballot, thats why there is a poll in Team Chat.

The Team Members can debate an issue until they are Blue in the Face, but at the end of the day there has to be a consensus.. A decision Made.

The Poll, is the only way to do this... if you try and "Follow the Posts", it wont work.

You will have people with strong views both ways, people on the fence and people not giving their opinion... It would be very difficult to actually follow how many want one thing, and how many another.

A Poll, therefore is the only way to do it.


Once a decision has been made; irrespective of your private views it should be followed... this is called "Collective Responsibility".

What im trying to say here is, sometimes you may attack Mods for something they say as a Mod... this is not necessarily the way they personally feel.


Its because of this i feel compelled not to speak out on this issue at all... its a wholley different issue to the one where I spoke out against Cely and HaXors banning....as I felt no "Collective Resonsibility" for that initial decision.


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Publishing that list of votes in order, in effect took away MN&#39;s right to have his vote via Secret Ballot, which the rest of us enjoyed.

The fact that MN had already hinted strongly as to which way he voted is immaterial... everyone knows that it was 7:5 before he voted, they therefore know which way he voted.

You could just as effectively stated "JTR didnt post last" with a list of those that had voted in Alphabetical order... this way, it would have been upto him to say how he voted.

I would hope he&#39;d stay quiet on the subject though, unless everyone decides to make their vote public. If everyone does, i dont see the point in holding those discussions private in the 1st place.


everyone

We may disagree at times; however, I for one... have a great deal of respect for everyone on the Team and their opinions. I also know that I; and believe the Team members individually, do listen to those members that wish to PM and take account those views expressed in other ways.

When they make the movie of this FST incident they should call it "The Thirteenth Vote." :lol:

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Originally posted by Rat Faced@13 July 2004 - 20:46
I wasnt gonna reply to this post at all, but meh...

The best way to vote is always Secret Ballet, thats why there is a poll in Team Chat.

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I think the movie should be called,

The Case of the Secret Ballet.

http://www.dance-unique.com/images/g...rina-white.jpg

I think I may have found out why the Mods decisions seem so strange at times ;)