check out this ANOREXIA forum.

hmmmm the wonders of life

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Originally Posted by megan343

Seriously I am so pissed off. I give up *sigh* People are just always going to be assholes. It's people like that who made my life harder and who still do today.

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I hope you're not going to give up on this forum though, because you (and also Blyth!) have been like a breath of fresh air here these past couple of days.. ;)

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Originally Posted by megan343

Seriously I am so pissed off. I give up *sigh* People are just always going to be assholes. It's people like that who made my life harder and who still do today.

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I hope you're not going to give up on this forum though, because you (and also Blyth!) have been like a breath of fresh air here these past couple of days.. ;)

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You ole charmer, you. :naughty:

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Originally Posted by megan343

Seriously I am so pissed off. I give up *sigh* People are just always going to be assholes. It's people like that who made my life harder and who still do today.

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I hope you're not going to give up on this forum though, because you (and also Blyth!) have been like a breath of fresh air here these past couple of days.. ;)

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I'm sticking around mate. You lot are funny.

Megan, stay. Ignore the Cretinous Busyman. Disregard the Evil Muchspl3. Thwart the dread Grammar Pirate Manker!

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Originally Posted by manker

Yeah, there will always be arseholes. You can't change that.

There is no need for them to make your life more difficult tho', as soon as you've pegged them as an arsehole - completely disregard their opinion.

'Cos it doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Robs

It is just an internet forum.remember that.

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Good one's. Both a youz. ;)

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Originally Posted by Blythorama

Thwart the dread Grammar Pirate Manker!

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:o

Using my interweb handle as a proper noun - I should make ye walk the plan.

It's quite obviously a verb :naughty:

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It would have been even more :naughty: if I could have called it a copulative verb ... but I can't :mellow:

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Originally Posted by Blythorama

Thwart the dread Grammar Pirate Manker!

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Using my interweb handle as a proper noun - I should make ye walk the plan.

It's quite obviously a verb :naughty:

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It would have been even more :naughty: if I could have called it a copulative verb ... but I can't :mellow:

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plank. ;)

:lol: Feck!

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I do 'cause I've been there (not quite though). I think the way help arrives is key.

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So you admit that support and help are necessary in recovery when someone isn't dealing very well with life, rather than belittling the sufferer and telling them to buck up?

Funny how you change your mind...

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No I don't think it's necessary. However, if certain help isn't working, try another avenue. Even today some of those of folk are a step away from starving themselves over again. Get out of the mirror. Focus on something else. Have fun. Ya like to have fun right? Is not eating fun? It has become habit forming. It started off with losing weight or even building muscle and now it's cyclic.

Some weird habits make one successful, some habits kill them. They are driven.

Want understanding? Try understanding other people besides yourself.

It mai chai-nge yaw thankang.

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Originally Posted by Blythorama

So you admit that support and help are necessary in recovery when someone isn't dealing very well with life, rather than belittling the sufferer and telling them to buck up?

Funny how you change your mind...

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No I don't think it's necessary. However, if certain help isn't working, try another avenue. Even today some of those of folk are a step away from starving themselves over again. Get out of the mirror. Focus on something else. Have fun. Ya like to have fun right? Is not eating fun? It has become habit forming. It started off with losing weight or even building muscle and now it's cyclic.

Some weird habits make one successful, some habits kill them. They are driven.

Want understanding? Try understanding other people besides yourself.

It mai chai-nge yaw thankang.

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I agree with focusing on something else rather than ones own image. I have said something very similar myself.

Eating, for those with an eating disorder, is not fun. During recovery they have to learn to re-think the way they feel about food, but it is difficult to see something you struggle with as Fun.

I do consider others. I empathise with others although I may not understand them entirely. I think hard and try and gain all the facts before I make up my mind. I am also capable of altering my opinion based on new evidence.

Some people's opinions though, I consider and dismiss.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

No I don't think it's necessary. However, if certain help isn't working, try another avenue. Even today some of those of folk are a step away from starving themselves over again. Get out of the mirror. Focus on something else. Have fun. Ya like to have fun right? Is not eating fun? It has become habit forming. It started off with losing weight or even building muscle and now it's cyclic.

Some weird habits make one successful, some habits kill them. They are driven.

Want understanding? Try understanding other people besides yourself.

It mai chai-nge yaw thankang.

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I agree with focusing on something else rather than ones own image. I have said something very similar myself.

Eating, for those with an eating disorder, is not fun. During recovery they have to learn to re-think the way they feel about food, but it is difficult to see something you struggle with as Fun.

I do consider others. I empathise with others although I may not understand them entirely. I think hard and try and gain all the facts before I make up my mind. I am also capable of altering my opinion based on new evidence.

Some people's opinions though, I consider and dismiss.

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Same here. I hear it first though. Soak up info even if it's bullshit.

I in no way implied not eating is fun. I'm sure it's a chore and a habit.

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Soak up info even if it's bullshit.

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and regurgitate it at length... :blink:

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Soak up info even if it's bullshit.

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and regurgitate it at length... :blink:

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Originally Posted by muchspl3

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Originally Posted by megan343

do you know what i look like?

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I don't care what you look like is the point you people seem to miss over and over

and a round and round we go

do the people you associate with care that much on your looks, maybe you should get new friends..

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you seemed to have skiped this....

It wasn't relevent.

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I don't care what you look like is the point you people seem to miss over and over

and a round and round we go

do the people you associate with care that much on your looks, maybe you should get new friends..

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you seemed to have skiped this....

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It's start out that way but they obviously hone in on "the being fat part" way past what other people think though. No one except other anorexics and zombies would think looking shitty like a skeleton looks good.

Look at the folks that drink Diet Pepsi. There's no way that that shit tastes good the very first time you drink it. After awhile some people just get used to it.

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Originally Posted by muchspl3

you seemed to have skiped this....

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It's start out that way but they obviously hone in on "the being fat part" way past what other people think though. No one except other anorexics and zombies would think looking shitty like a skeleton looks good.

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Its an illness. A mental illness grounded in compulsive behaviour and caused in part by a change in brain chemistry in response to stress (stress=physical OR mental). That which you describe above are some of the symptoms of this illness. I think this has been discussed previously.

Blyth

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It's start out that way but they obviously hone in on "the being fat part" way past what other people think though. No one except other anorexics and zombies would think looking shitty like a skeleton looks good.

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Its an illness. A mental illness grounded in compulsive behaviour and caused in part by a change in brain chemistry in response to stress (stress=physical OR mental). That which you describe above are some of the symptoms of this illness. I think this has been discussed previously.

Blyth

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Yeah there are some homeless around here that became mentally ill after they decided not work.

Ok so we're talking about the homeless now. All lazy ain't they. Its their own fault isn't it. I suppose you once nearly became homeless but managed to pull yourself together in the nick of time because you are so mentally strong. Yes. Well done.

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It wasn't relevent.

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seems completely relevant as your "condition" is the way you and others precieve yourself. thats how I understand your problem anyway

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Its an illness. A mental illness grounded in compulsive behaviour and caused in part by a change in brain chemistry in response to stress (stress=physical OR mental). That which you describe above are some of the symptoms of this illness. I think this has been discussed previously.

Blyth

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Yeah there are some homeless around here that became mentally ill after they decided not work.

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Or perhaps they lost their jobs after becoming mentally ill,sometimes Busy you talk bollocks

No, he's trying to use a piss-poor analogy to say that anorexics cause their own mental problems by not eating.

The fact that the analogy is just as dubious as the intended target subject just goes to show how badly wired up his brain is.

Note how this keeps going round in circles? It's like a roulette wheel style of arguing.. if he spins it round often enough, maybe he will end up with the last word.

good thing Busyman is here to take the heat away from my questions/comments

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Ok so we're talking about the homeless now. All lazy ain't they. Its their own fault isn't it. I suppose you once nearly became homeless but managed to pull yourself together in the nick of time because you are so mentally strong. Yes. Well done.

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You have no idea.

Why do you group all homeless together? Some simply don't wanna work, some got a tough break, some are mentally ill. Pretty simple.

There are some around here that make a career of it. Some are lazy at least to the extent that they don't wanna work a regular job. That's a disease ya know.

They have low self-esteem and can't take being told what to do or telling others what to do.

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Yeah there are some homeless around here that became mentally ill after they decided not work.

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Or perhaps they lost their jobs after becoming mentally ill,sometimes Busy you talk bollocks

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Wow I think I see the letters S O M E in both posts.

If you wanna pile on at least do it correctly. :dry:

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No, he's trying to use a piss-poor analogy to say that anorexics cause their own mental problems by not eating.

The fact that the analogy is just as dubious as the intended target subject just goes to show how badly wired up his brain is.

Note how this keeps going round in circles? It's like a roulette wheel style of arguing.. if he spins it round often enough, maybe he will end up with the last word.

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No I'm saying that not eating became habit forming. Any initial quest to lose weight got lost. Funny that many people have this in them but just don't go to that degree.

It sounds like I'm not agreeing with you. I remember the same thing when I alone disagreed that people are born gay. :ermm:

muchspl3- As i have said countless times IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT OTHERS THINK.

Most of the time, girls aren't trying to lose weight to be skinnier, that is just a result of not eating. Most of the time it's a control issue, you control your food intake because you can't control anything else in your life.

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It wasn't relevent.

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seems completely relevant as your "condition" is the way you and others precieve yourself. thats how I understand your problem anyway

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Check your facts. I am not anorexic. I've had experience of eating disorders and mental issues. I can however show compassion, reason and understanding...

Unless you get away from the notion that anorexia is simply a result of trying to lose weight, which then gets out of control, then there is no way to understand the people who have it.

You are looking at the apparent symptoms of the illness, rather than the cause. As made clear on the web-site I linked to, the cause can be a combination of things including trauma, genetics, image, conditioning etc.

The idea that anorexics are simply people who tried to get very thin, then lost control of it is simply wrong. However even if it were right, they still deserve your compassion. As does anyone else with an illness (even if they themselves were partially to blame for it). Like having bad knees thro' sports injuries.

A big problem here is that people try to debate using analogy and simile. I have almost got to the stage where I ignore anything which starts "It's just like ...." or similar.

(Awaits obvious Vaudevillesque reply)

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Unless you get away from the notion that anorexia is simply a result of trying to lose weight, which then gets out of control, then there is no way to understand the people who have it.

You are looking at the apparent symptoms of the illness, rather than the cause. As made clear on the web-site I linked to, the cause can be a combination of things including trauma, genetics, image, conditioning etc.

The idea that anorexics are simply people who tried to get very thin, then lost control of it is simply wrong. However even if it were right, they still deserve your compassion. As does anyone else with an illness (even if they themselves were partially to blame for it). Like having bad knees thro' sports injuries.

A big problem here is that people try to debate using analogy and simile. I have almost got to the stage where I ignore anything which starts "It's just like ...." or similar.

(Awaits obvious Vaudevillesque reply)

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I haven't gotten around to reading in depth about it yet (your link). I would wish anorexics to get better "as" I would wish anyone to be in good health that hasn't hurt others. However, that is where it ends. I cannot go further because they are doing it to themselves and there are real victims of real disease that are not even partially to blame that deserve compassion. I do not believe "anorexia" and "bulimia" are diseases. I will never equate them to cancer or smallpox.

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... I will never equate them to cancer or smallpox.

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That's exactly the problem. "You will never" means that you are closed minded and will not let yourself learn. More proof is that you said you would read the links from JPaul but you still haven't.

Perhaps you could consider to stop posting in this thread until you have read it.

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Unless you get away from the notion that anorexia is simply a result of trying to lose weight, which then gets out of control, then there is no way to understand the people who have it.

You are looking at the apparent symptoms of the illness, rather than the cause. As made clear on the web-site I linked to, the cause can be a combination of things including trauma, genetics, image, conditioning etc.

The idea that anorexics are simply people who tried to get very thin, then lost control of it is simply wrong. However even if it were right, they still deserve your compassion. As does anyone else with an illness (even if they themselves were partially to blame for it). Like having bad knees thro' sports injuries.

A big problem here is that people try to debate using analogy and simile. I have almost got to the stage where I ignore anything which starts "It's just like ...." or similar.

(Awaits obvious Vaudevillesque reply)

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I haven't gotten around to reading in depth about it yet (your link). I would wish anorexics to get better "as" I would wish anyone to be in good health that hasn't hurt others. However, that is where it ends. I cannot go further because they are doing it to themselves and there are real victims of real disease that are not even partially to blame that deserve compassion. I do not believe "anorexia" and "bulimia" are diseases. I will never equate them to cancer or smallpox.

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It may have been partially their fault that they got there, maybe not their fault at all. However once they are there the illness is real, they need help and compassion just the same as anyone else.

If you must insist on analogy, I and you probably feel compassion for;

Alcoholics
Heroin Addicts
Quadraplegics who crashed their car
Cancer sufferers who used to smoke
Cancer sufferers who sunbathed too much
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all at least partially to blame, but also deserving of our help and support.

You see the anorexic as different, because you see them as just daft wee white lassies who tried to look like a too thin "supermodel" and just lost the plot about it. However it is more likely to have been a traumatised teenage girl, who could not cope with things in her life and this happened to them. Not about image, but as as sub-conscious reaction to not being able to cope. A sort of physical nervous breakdown if you will.

Think of a 14 year old victim of incestuous rape, sitting in a padded room rocking gently in the corner sobbing. Would you feel sorry for her, becuse she is more likely to be the anorexic than the daft wee lassie you see the anorexic as being.

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That's exactly the problem. "You will never" means that you are closed minded and will not let yourself learn. More proof is that you said you would read the links from JPaul but you still haven't.

Perhaps you could consider to stop posting in this thread until you have read it.

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Perhaps not.

Perhaps you could go to to the TDR version of this thread. It needs warm bodies.

I heard Kristy Alley of Chears fame lost 50 pounds and is dating again . Al Pachino if you can believe it . I aways thought she was beautiful even at her heaviest .

you haven't seen any of the weight watchers ad's

Busyman's not very nice sometimes.

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you haven't seen any of the weight watchers ad's

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No but watched that failed actress show . :D

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I haven't gotten around to reading in depth about it yet (your link). I would wish anorexics to get better "as" I would wish anyone to be in good health that hasn't hurt others. However, that is where it ends. I cannot go further because they are doing it to themselves and there are real victims of real disease that are not even partially to blame that deserve compassion. I do not believe "anorexia" and "bulimia" are diseases. I will never equate them to cancer or smallpox.

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just read it. it won't even take 10 minutes

Busyman, when you need 40+ pages worth of discussion to somewhat approximate a compassionate response....

It's safe to say that mental illness still have a long way to go to be accepted in the same way as bodily diseases.

The brain is,like the rest of the body, capable of becoming "ill". When you learn dysfunctional thought patterns and/or behaviour you should seek help to correct the problem...

You seem to believe that these women are somewhat faking their illness, or just taking dieting to the extreme for the sake of looking good.

Nevertheless it would be enough to look at the consequences of their actions to see that they have problems. And when you're incapable to feel compassion towards a group of people where 15% eventually die without treatment (if I remember correctly from the above posted link), then I'd go as far as to say that you yourself have a problem or in the best case are just ignorant.

I'm hoping the latter is the case, at least read the information provided before casting judgement.

I only see 10 pages....