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Life? [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by clocker+20 September 2003 - 18:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 20 September 2003 - 18:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@20 September 2003 - 10:26
Death itself, i dont fear.........its what precedes it, that I dont like.
You summed it up well clocker.
as far as death is concrned, a quote from Fight Club always comes to mind ''...someday you will die, and until you know that, you are useless''
actually many FC quotes have maening for me...not that i m some tyler durden wannabe...they just make sense in a world gone mad
''you are not a beautiful and unique snowflake...you are the same decaying organic matter as everything else...we are all part of the same compost heap...we are the all singing all dancing crap of the world''
as for the ''...someday you will die, and until you know that, you are useless'' part, well think about it...if only we let ourself realize that eventually we are going to die, we wouldn't fear it as much...and many businesses wouldn't be able to take advantage of our fear, cryo-labs for example.
as for the rest, well, think about it, that's what humankind has been reduced to. you are born, you go to school, you study, you wor your ass off until you get an ulcer or cancer and then you grow old and wear diapers and die. if you are not bright, you'll end up being a janitor or a dishwasher, clean other's shit all your life and die...or worse, you'll join a gang, and one fine day, you'll be pumped lead in for something as stupid as a cigarette. you might be a bright young promising professional, looking at playing in millions, but you might get shot while taking a few dollars out the ATM. i stay pepared for all this, and that actually makes me happy. i like to live with this in the back of my mind so that i won't hold back when i have the chance to indulge in the little pleasures of life that are scattered here and there.
Two "think about it" in one post.
People either will or won't - you dont have to give stage directions.
Place obligatory "That's a bit h4r5h" here.Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul@20 September 2003 - 22:09
Two "think about it" in one post.
People either will or won't - you dont have to give stage directions.
i don't have to give [unintended] stage directions....you don't have to decide what are and aren't stage directions.Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul@20 September 2003 - 21:09
Two "think about it" in one post.
People either will or won't - you dont have to give stage directions.
got a reply to the point?..and you don't get to decide what is and isn't a valid point....if you have one that's fine, if you don't that's fine too
i believe the term is ''conversational english''
http://www.piczonline.com/client/titey/shock.gif There was a point?
Carpe diem, I believe.Quote:
Originally posted by titey@20 September 2003 - 23:33
http://www.piczonline.com/client/titey/shock.gif There was a point?
read the last two pages...is there a point to this thread?...i wrote my view and expected someone to reply to, even criticize, the view. the point is the view, not my english. i guess that was the point to my reply to jpaul, in case you are wondering.
i don't have to give [unintended] stage directions....you don't have to decide what are and aren't stage directions.Quote:
Originally posted by jbrockz+20 September 2003 - 23:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jbrockz @ 20 September 2003 - 23:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@20 September 2003 - 21:09
Two "think about it" in one post.
People either will or won't - you dont have to give stage directions.
got a reply to the point?..and you don't get to decide what is and isn't a valid point....if you have one that's fine, if you don't that's fine too [/b][/quote]
Thanks for that, very magnanimous of you.
It really is just annoying when people say, think about that. It is condescending, people here don't need instructions. We are aware of the concept of reading something then thinking about it.
Think about that is something you would say to a child, just before you grounded them.
If you want a reply to the post - what does "if your not that bright you will become a Janitor, or a dishwasher" mean. My mother worked as a cleaner in an old people's home for many years. She did it to help raise her children and give us a good standard of life. I can assure you she was very bright. However her own upbringing had not provided her with an education that could prove it. Her own mother was widowed in her 30's with 6 children, so they all left school to get jobs and support the family.
I know many people who are in "menial" jobs who are extremely bright and interesting. However for a variety of reasons, ranging from circumstance to personal choice they are not in highly paid jobs or jobs with an elevated status.
So you think about that before you go insulting people with your ill thought out posts. Particularly as you appear to be basing your life's philosophy on a good (if ultimately shallow) movie.
Carpe Diem indeed, hobbes :)
Carpe diem, I believe. [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes+20 September 2003 - 23:36--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 20 September 2003 - 23:36)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-titey@20 September 2003 - 23:33
http://www.piczonline.com/client/titey/shock.gif There was a point?
I prefer Carpe Jugulum - but you knew that already.
So what's your reply to my last Horace.Quote:
Originally posted by jbrockz@20 September 2003 - 23:40
Carpe Diem indeed, hobbes :)
I prefer Carpe Jugulum - but you knew that already. [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul+20 September 2003 - 23:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 20 September 2003 - 23:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@20 September 2003 - 23:36
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Carpe diem, I believe.
No, I thought it was "Carpe scrotum"
Nice thought, well presented
I know people that are Rich and unhappy.Quote:
I know many people who are in "menial" jobs who are extremely bright and interesting. However for a variety of reasons, ranging from circumstance to personal choice they are not in highly paid jobs or jobs with an elevated status.
I know people that are classed as poor, however are extremely happy.
I consider the happy ones successful in life.....
I prefer Nightwatch, but shouldnt the preferences be in BookWorld ;)
to jpaul
you expect me to take into account all 6 billion plus people and their lives before posting something....please don't mind me saying this but you strike me as a person for whom the meaning lies in words only, a critique of words rahter than their meaning . you with your thousand words, it seems couldn't understand the jist...something that hobbes summed up in two words....when i m driving to my point, many things have to be generalized. my own mother works as a bank teller. she was on her way to becoming a very good actresses when she got married to the wrong guy while in acting school, had me thinking that would change him and later divorced him for my safety, then became a bank teller to support me....my remark was towards those who go around thinking life is beautiful and we are all blessed and all that horseshit, who delude themselves from the reality of life and then are shocked when it hits them in the face.
I will not cross swords with the erudite.
Hobbes and RF, I doff my cap to you - for now.
So, in short, you should have known better than to insult hard working people.Quote:
Originally posted by jbrockz@20 September 2003 - 23:54
to jpaul
you expect me to take into account all 6 billion plus people and their lives before posting something....please don't mind me saying this but you strike me as a person for whom the meaning lies in words only, a critique of words rahter than their meaning . you with your thousand words, it seems couldn't understand the jist...something that hobbes summed up in two words....when i m driving to my point, many things have to be generalized. my own mother works as a bank teller. she was on her way to becoming a very good actresses when she got married to the wrong guy while in acting school, had me thinking that would change him and later divorced him for my safety, then became a bank teller to support me....my remark was towards those who go around thinking life is beautiful and we are all blessed and all that horseshit, who delude themselves from the reality of life and then are shocked when it hits them in the face.
Is that succinct enough for you.
the quote from FC was used to further the view and not as a basis for the view...just a clarificationQuote:
Originally posted by JPaul@20 September 2003 - 22:39
Particularly as you appear to be basing your life's philosophy on a good (if ultimately shallow) movie.
not at all, i generalized the situations in life in order to give meaning to the central pont...i still stand by what i said..every word, including the ones about janitors...i have respect for the simple people, in case you want it spelled out for you...i repect the whore more than the socialite cause the whoe would be less racist than the socialite any day, just an example, not a philisopphy, in cas you want it spelled out for you.....oppps, i did it againQuote:
Originally posted by JPaul@20 September 2003 - 22:55
So, in short, you should have known better than to insult hard working people.
not at all, i generalized the situations in life in order to give meaning to the central pont...i still stand by what i said..every word, including the ones about janitors...i have respect for the simple people, in case you want it spelled out for you...i repect the whore more than the socialite cause the whoe would be less racist than the socialite any day, just an example, not a philisopphy, in cas you want it spelled out for you.....oppps, i did it again [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by jbrockz+21 September 2003 - 00:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jbrockz @ 21 September 2003 - 00:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@20 September 2003 - 22:55
So, in short, you should have known better than to insult hard working people.
The "simple people", are you doing this deliberately.
You sir are a total dickhead. You insult in a fashion which beggars belief. You generalise as a way of life "the whore is less racist than the socialite". On what do you base this drivel, other than your own prejudice.
And this view is based on extensive experience with both, I assume?Quote:
Originally posted by jbrockz@20 September 2003 - 16:06
...i repect the whore more than the socialite cause the whoe would be less racist than the socialite any day, just an example, not a philisopphy
On what do you base this drivel....
trust me, of all the things, that question was the most predictable one....and not cause it is the standard reply everytime i have used this arguement [there have been people who have understood it without explaining it all to them, including a priest with whom i discuss theology]
the whore is less racist than the socialite....she will sleep with a black man, a white, a hispanic, a hindu, a christian, an african tribal...whereas a socialite...hmm. since my vocabulary is not as elaborate as yours, sir, i'd like to give an example [pardon me, cause its another movie] In Cruel iNTENTIONS, the character of selma blair's charachter's mom who insults the black guy when she finds out about their love. sorry, i am vauge in the particulars of the movie cause it's been a long time since i saw it.
why are my number of posts stuck at 3...its been moe than five in this thread itself :unsure:
If I start drinking heavily, I think I might see the logical endpoint to this exchange. Currently, I just see large spigots of urine passing left and right over my head.
Maybe we could just toast to a pleasant Saturday night and start afresh elsewhere. I'm going to the store right now.
JPaul, get back in the lounge and shake those people up a little. Lounge has been too slow lately.
Off topic, posts don't count here...Quote:
Originally posted by jbrockz@21 September 2003 - 00:24
why are my number of posts stuck at 3...its been moe than five in this thread itself :unsure:
thanks :)
I know people, too.Quote:
Originally posted by Rat Faced@20 September 2003 - 17:48
I know people that are Rich and unhappy.Quote:
I know many people who are in "menial" jobs who are extremely bright and interesting. However for a variety of reasons, ranging from circumstance to personal choice they are not in highly paid jobs or jobs with an elevated status.
I know people that are classed as poor, however are extremely happy.
They're neat, but for now I'll just read you guys; thats neat, too. :)
You are quite obviously in need of help.Quote:
Originally posted by jbrockz@21 September 2003 - 00:21
On what do you base this drivel....
trust me, of all the things, that question was the most predictable one....and not cause it is the standard reply everytime i have used this arguement [there have been people who have understood it without explaining it all to them, including a priest with whom i discuss theology]
the whore is less racist than the socialite....she will sleep with a black man, a white, a hispanic, a hindu, a christian, an african tribal...whereas a socialite...hmm. since my vocabulary is not as elaborate as yours, sir, i'd like to give an example [pardon me, cause its another movie] In Cruel iNTENTIONS, the character of selma blair's charachter's mom who insults the black guy when she finds out about their love. sorry, i am vauge in the particulars of the movie cause it's been a long time since i saw it.
The bricklayer will build a house for anyone and can still be a racist. The restaurateur will sell food to someone he despises, so long as they pay. The fact that a person provides a service for recompense does not diminish the contempt in which they may hold the customer.
A true professional can separate their job from their feelings.
It is time you understood. The people you are discussing these thing with are indulging your ill-informed opinions, in order to encourage you to think and form opinions for yourself. That doesn't mean they agree with you, they merely wish to encourage your independent thought.
However at some stage you must fly the nest and be responsible for what you say. It is then that you must be able to back up this drivel which you currently believe to be rational thinking.
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Originally posted by JPaul+20 September 2003 - 23:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 20 September 2003 - 23:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jbrockz@21 September 2003 - 00:21
...there have been people who have understood it without explaining it all to them, including a priest with whom i discuss theology...
The bricklayer will build a house for anyone and can still be a racist. The restaurateur will sell food to someone he despises, so long as they pay. The fact that a person provides a service for recompense does not diminish the contempt in which they may hold the customer.
A true professional can separate their job from their feelings.
It is time you understood. The people you are discussing these thing with are indulging your ill-informed opinions, in order to encourage you to think and form opinions for yourself. That doesn't mean they agree with you, they merely wish to encourage your independent thought.
However at some stage you must fly the nest and be responsible for what you say. It is then that you must be able to back up this drivel which you currently believe to be rational thinking. [/b][/quote]
if i m in need of help, i believe the priest would have told me if that was the case....
you, sir, seem to have a lot of opinions about WHO i m from the time you wrote ''stage directions''.
you have read what i have written within the last 30 minutes and think you know me as a person. and you base your opinions about me on that picture that has been formed in your mind from this little talk. you ask me to fly from my nest whithout thinking that maybe my opinions are off-beat because i have 'flown away' [and i don't mean to a mental health facility :D ]
the only personal observation that i have made about you is that you are a critique of words and not their meaning, cause that's the only thing that i have observed here, and i am not even saying i m right. other than that i have no personal opinions about you as a person, and all my replies have been to your arguements and not you.
you think i am writing all this cause i am some high school kid who would indulge in stupidity if so encouraged by others. i would say that's coming from someone who absolutely doesn't know me [to begin with i m not a high school kid].
also, you might be thinking while reading this that i m going to the priest for counselling or something. actually, i am a hindu and i met the priest on another forum like this one a long time ago. he liked some things i wrote and the trusting man of God that he is, he told me where he was based. it happened to be near where i was and we have been discussing theology ever since.
and in case you are wondering, i am not religious either. i believe in God, but not in the path that religions have prescribed for us in order to reach God, to attain salvation. i duscuss my views with him cause he is a priest and i am quite sure he wouldn't judge me prematurely [also the confidentiality factor]. And i think my views on that would be falling in the wrong 'ears' if i were to discuss it here, so i'll let it pass, cause you obviously think i am a nut.
my humble request to you would be to reply without forming an opinion about ME , cause i consider that to be shallow at best.
as regards the whore-socialite conversation, if you have seen the movie made on bruce lee's life [oops, another movie], he was refused a table at a 'white' resturant when he went on his first date with his to be wife. ina Hallmark movie that i don't remember the name of about a black family that goes to live in a white neighborhood in the 70s, whoppie goldberg asks the question 'would the butcher have washed his hands first and then delivered me meat if i was white'. so, sir i beg to differ. the service remains, but the delivery differs, for a racist. why i choose the whore example was, letting someone enter you is one of the biggest services and if you are a racist, a person of another race entering your holiest of holies has the most potential for being unthinkable. And yes, they are sometimes a victim of circumstance too and hence are allowed to have principles [example, they get raped too].
whew, that took some time to write
Cretin.
resolving to kindergarten name-calling , are we? well, you have the right to your own opinion.
i guess what i have written in the gay rights post about belief applies here too.
Wow! I've just sat here and read pages of this crap!
JPaul, you are, without doubt, the cretin here.
You have nothing to say in contradiction, you then attack the person.
Then you come up with this ..
The PEOPLE here? You mean to say this personal shit is designed to help him? Bullshit! You argue for the sake of it, nothing wrong with that, except you have a very shallow pool of thought.Quote:
The people you are discussing these thing with are indulging your ill-informed opinions, in order to encourage you to think and form opinions for yourself
:)
You don't actually read the posts do you. He was talking about the people he discusses these things with in real life. That was perfectly obvious. No-one mentioned the people in here. So if you work from that false premise then it is not surprising that you misunderstand the rest of the conversation.Quote:
Originally posted by Billy_Dean@21 September 2003 - 09:12
Wow! I've just sat here and read pages of this crap!
JPaul, you are, without doubt, the cretin here.
You have nothing to say in contradiction, you then attack the person.
Then you come up with this ..
The PEOPLE here? You mean to say this personal shit is designed to help him? Bullshit! You argue for the sake of it, nothing wrong with that, except you have a very shallow pool of thought.Quote:
The people you are discussing these thing with are indulging your ill-informed opinions, in order to encourage you to think and form opinions for yourself
:)
This explains a lot, it has happened on several occasions now. You don't actually read what people write. There are of course some other possibilities. I suppose it is possible that you don't actually understand what is being said, or that you are just obtuse.
He was spouting forth with offensive sweeping generalisations and I replied to those. I made it perfectly clear why I was doing this, I found it to be personally insulting. Again if you don't actually read or understand what is being said then this would be lost on you.
I read it and understood it, and I agree with Billy_Dean.
To each their own.Quote:
Originally posted by lynx@21 September 2003 - 11:42
I read it and understood it, and I agree with Billy_Dean.
Hobbes
How long does this bio-rhythm thing last? :blink:
jbrockz,
I think that it's odd that all of the examples you use to justify your statements come from movies.
AHallmark Hall of Fame tv movie with Whoopie Goldberg .
A movie based on the life of Bruce Lee...
Are any of your sweeping generalities based on contact with real, live human beings?
BTW, I would recommend you keep your daughters away from Pretty Woman with Julia Roberts...