Hi Clocko, long time no see, wanna argue about something??
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Hi Clocko, long time no see, wanna argue about something??
:)
Not quite yet, Billy.Quote:
Originally posted by Billy_Dean@21 September 2003 - 07:31
Hi Clocko, long time no see, wanna argue about something??
:)
I'm still on my first tankard of coffee...
:lol: , but still singleQuote:
BTW, I would recommend you keep your daughters away from Pretty Woman with Julia Roberts...
to clocker,
english is not my first language and i still have a lot to learn about the language....i am comfortable using it but not 'technically sound' in it. i try to use movies and quotes to help explain the point since my vocabulary is limited at this point, and i like watching movies. [i actually had to look up cretin, and there a lot of words Jpaul used that i didn't look up, fortunately :D ]...i don't base my life's philosophy on movies, i just use them to aid in my explanation.
generally speaking, as regards the views themselves, i am not saying only i m right. i just saying this is what i think or this is how i see it and i'd like your opinion. i guess the discussion in gay rights post went better than this one [at least i didnt have anyone calling me stupid]. i discussed my interpretation of a stephen hawking's quote and got great inputs from many about how they saw it. some understood, others criticised, yet others gave their own viewpoint. i guess it works better if you have someone replying, even attacking, your views rather than YOU.
as for jpaul, billy-dean summed it up best :) [i guess you can call this using a real-life example...hehe]
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You have nothing to say in contradiction, you then attack the person.
Then you come up with this ..
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The people you are discussing these thing with are indulging your ill-informed opinions, in order to encourage you to think and form opinions for yourself
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The PEOPLE here? You mean to say this personal shit is designed to help him? Bullshit! You argue for the sake of it, nothing wrong with that, except you have a very shallow pool of thought.
jbrockz,
Your English seems pretty good to me. You are already one step ahead of me as I am not comfortable in any other language, so kudos to you.
I was simply commenting on your use of movies to explain "real life". When you make generalizations such as "prostitutes are less racist than socialites" (paraphrase) and then back it up with examples from films, I have to question the validity of your basic premise.
Were you to say " My socialite friend is a bitch and my prostitute girlfriend is not", then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Thanks :)Quote:
Your English seems pretty good to me. You are already one step ahead of me as I am not comfortable in any other language, so kudos to you.
True. As i said, i m still in learning mode. with hindsight you are right, but i guess to come up with that statement i would require to have a certain level of ease with the language that only constant communication with it can give, something that i still require more of and am hoping my discussions here will provide, along with a broader range of view-points. I guess you can compare it with having a knowledge of the ins and outs of an engine but not having much hands-on experience. I do have people here with whom i communicate in english, but not for the major part of the day.Quote:
Were you to say " My socialite friend is a bitch and my prostitute girlfriend is not", then we wouldn't be having this discussion
so, learning from your quote, i would rephrase it as - A socialite can be a racist bitch, whereas A prostitute [not my girlfriend, man :D ] may be a bitch, but not racist.
jbrockz,
I would simply caution you against making sweeping generalizations.
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...i repect the whore more than the socialite cause the whoe would be less racist than the socialite any day, just an example,
As an example...
point taken :)
Welcome aboard, btw.
thanks :)
Quite variable- modified by alcohol and coffee- looks like we are currently experiencing one douzy of a break in concentration.Quote:
Originally posted by Biggles@21 September 2003 - 13:59
Hobbes
How long does this bio-rhythm thing last? :blink:
I think this statement is something I can relate to, as well. I think Billy should take this to heart because I recurrently get this feeling.Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul@21 September 2003 - 11:38
This explains a lot, it has happened on several occasions now. You don't actually read what people write. There are of course some other possibilities. I suppose it is possible that you don't actually understand what is being said, or that you are just obtuse.
Some people are more focused on their clever rebuttal and do not give a post its due attention.
Billy is certainly not alone in this regard, and I find it frustrating to carry on a discussion with someone who is clearly not contemplating each post. It means that the person is more focused on defending his position than listening to the others point of view.
Just how I feel.
idem dito jbrockz! a welcome from the Netherlands,Quote:
Originally posted by clocker@21 September 2003 - 18:36
Welcome aboard, btw.
a little off topic of course but then I ask, was it ever on topic...?
Thanks, nigel123 :)
we are full 28 pages away from the topic...lol ;)Quote:
a little off topic of course but then I ask, was it ever on topic...?
To go back to he original. If there is a God, why Aberfan?
I think this statement is something I can relate to, as well. I think Billy should take this to heart because I recurrently get this feeling.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes+22 September 2003 - 03:22--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 22 September 2003 - 03:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@21 September 2003 - 11:38
This explains a lot, it has happened on several occasions now. You don't actually read what people write. There are of course some other possibilities. I suppose it is possible that you don't actually understand what is being said, or that you are just obtuse.
Some people are more focused on their clever rebuttal and do not give a post its due attention.
Billy is certainly not alone in this regard, and I find it frustrating to carry on a discussion with someone who is clearly not contemplating each post. It means that the person is more focused on defending his position than listening to the others point of view.
Just how I feel. [/b][/quote]
The kettle calling the pot black, and using a quote from a mudslinger to express his\her views, cute!
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There is no god, and Aberfan was a tragic accident. I laid flowers there in 1998.Quote:
Originally posted by bigboab@22 September 2003 - 11:56
To go back to he original. If there is a God, why Aberfan?
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There is a God, and my evidence... well lets see Famous philosopher (i have no idea what his name was, but i think he was french) said "I do not believe in God... But I do, for the thought of Death forces me to" how that is evidence? i have no idea.
Second piece of Evidence, a famous poet, again I have no idea what his name is but i think hes Arabic, "If I was to tell you this house appeared on its own, you would call me mad... yet you expect me to believe this entire universe just.... popped out of nowhere?", Is this evidence? I dont know.
Third piece of evidence, I just think the entire universe is a miracle of mathmatical perfection, and to believe it to all be a coincidence... eh too dodgey.
Keep up the school work noname, lay off the pot, and French "philosophers", or you'll never learn.
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well you come up with a better argument then :P
I don't need an argument, show me proof, not someone elses words.
Obviously he doesn't believe, or does he? If he does, why would he say he doesn't?Quote:
There is a God, and my evidence......"I do not believe in God... But I do, for the thought of Death forces me to"
No, it's not evidence, just some silly arab.Quote:
Second piece of Evidence ....."If I was to tell you this house appeared on its own, you would call me mad... yet you expect me to believe this entire universe just.... popped out of nowhere?", Is this evidence? I dont know.
That's evidence??Quote:
Third piece of evidence, I just think the entire universe is a miracle of mathmatical perfection, and to believe it to all be a coincidence... eh too dodgey.
If there is a god, show me the evidence, don't just say this or that couldn't have happened naturally.
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lol well prove to me there isnt a God... :P
Lets start from the very beggining, the big bang... explain it to me? and explain the creation of life or "evolution", then from there we can have a nice meaningful debate.
lol, billy
as for the first part, noname, ask the philosoper to make up his mind. if he says he has to believe in God since he fears death, then he clearly considers Him as the ultimate judge who will judge him at the end of his days, which disproves his claim that he believes there is no God. And if he believes there is no God, then death would just be an inevitale scientific process, exemplifying [spelling?] at best the imperfection inherent to life.
as for the second and third parts, you are clearly talking about the 'big bang theory'. well, its just that - a theory. scientists have conceded a long time ago that they might never know how the universe really came to be. instead the focus of physics has changed to the unification of the theories that explain the majestic and the minute. the big bang is largely accepted as the beginning of the universe since the very little evidence we have about our universe suggests that. for example, its expanding nature, the presence of black holes, the fact we literally have the ability to look back in time [when you see a star that is 4 light years away, you are looking at the star as it was 4 years ago...the farther away you can see, the more in the past you can go].
as part of your physics class ;) , i would recommend you to read 'the brief history of time', can't find a simpler book about a complex subject then this. there is some play on God in there too.
lol the guy means that if there was not that whole death thing he would not believe in God, but to face death and to believe there is nothing but a void beyond forces him to believe there is a God, so then there is no void there is something beyond there is meaning to life, there is a purpose, there is justice and so on.
I just couldnt be bothered to type the whole damn thing out because i figured no one would notice it :lol:
So basically looking at it from a whole weird philosophical way He doesnt believe YET HE DOES... jees :P
As for the big bang yeah yeah, there was a giant planet that blew up, yeah well where did that "giant planet" come from? oh yeah star dust, where did the star dust come from? well duh stars where the hell did the stars come from? lol and so on, theres a beginin to everything and an end, to believe life and the universe started just because some huge planet decided to have a overly dramatic fart then excuse me for not believing...
In my views there's gotta be a greater being.
you wrote
i had writtenQuote:
...there is a purpose, there is justice and so on
i guess i was on track at least partially, since you couldn't be bothered to write the whole thing. :PQuote:
...then he clearly considers Him as the ultimate judge who will judge him at the end of his days...
:o dude, you really need to read 'the brief history of time'...you got the 'big bang' all wrong and i don't have the energy to explain it here.Quote:
Originally posted by noname12@22 September 2003 - 06:23
As for the big bang yeah yeah, there was a giant planet that blew up, yeah well where did that "giant planet" come from? oh yeah star dust, where did the star dust come from? well duh stars where the hell did the stars come from? lol and so on, theres a beginin to everything and an end, to believe life and the universe started just because some huge planet decided to have a overly dramatic fart then excuse me for not believing...
In my views there's gotta be a greater being.
lol your right i do, i just go on what those freaks in shopping centres scream, and yes you find the big bang supporters out there, and a little from watching TV and thats what they all said.... and TV can never be wrong :D
Did you read this on the back of a cornflake packet?Quote:
As for the big bang yeah yeah, there was a giant planet that blew up, yeah well where did that "giant planet" come from? oh yeah star dust, where did the star dust come from? well duh stars where the hell did the stars come from? lol and so on, theres a beginin to everything and an end, to believe life and the universe started just because some huge planet decided to have a overly dramatic fart then excuse me for not believing...
In my views there's gotta be a greater being.
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look up
lol i might as well have
eh i will look it up on the internet.
@jbrockz
Dude, you really need to move on to "The Universe In A Nutshell"Quote:
dude, you really need to read 'the brief history of time'...you got the 'big bang' all wrong and i don't have the energy to explain it here.
JBRockz look here, no-one else!
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thanks, billy. is it available on kazaa yet ;)
I've no idea mate, never used K\L to find books.Quote:
Originally posted by jbrockz@22 September 2003 - 16:07
thanks, billy. is it available on kazaa yet ;)
Save up for the real thing, the illustrations are fantastic, a magic book, and easier to read than "Time".
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No one, except God itself, will ever be able to prove anthing to us humankind. We all know God doesn't pop round to visit us here very often.Untill God does visit us, then it's back to the cornflake packet for all of us, as Billy_Dean would put it....For the time being a little tolerance will be usefull. Now, what shall I have for breakfast.
eat Fruit loops, and here here three cheers for nigel123.
and Billy_Dean remind me to send a complaint letter to the discovery channel, they taught me wrong :lol:
I hate to nit-pick here Nigel, but shouldn't there be a question mark at the end of your post??
(My god, I'm sounding like JPaul, or was it Hobbes, or maybe ......)
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Haha, maybe they taught you about black holes and you didn't listen properly, got stars and planets mixed up, and thought they were talking about the big bang. An easy mistake to make. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by noname12@22 September 2003 - 16:13
eat Fruit loops, and here here three cheers for nigel123.
and Billy_Dean remind me to send a complaint letter to the discovery channel, they taught me wrong :lol:
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Well its possible, with that boring voice explaining things i could have fallen asleep half way through the Big Bang theory and wolk up near the end of Stars, Black holes and Billy_Dean The theory.
same here, except novels....and, ahem, e--tica.Quote:
...never used K\L to find books
Haha! I like it, *The Billy Dean Theory* I'm sure that will bring a response from you-know-whos ...!Quote:
Originally posted by noname12@22 September 2003 - 16:22
Well its possible, with that boring voice explaining things i could have fallen asleep half way through the Big Bang theory and wolk up near the end of Stars, Black holes and Billy_Dean The theory.
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Astonishing, all this talk of the works of Prof Hawking. You are of course aware that he is on record stating that he does in fact believe in God. No question mark there btw, it has been noted by others that I rarely use them. Wouldn't want to let a bit of peurile mud-slinging pass now would I.