Can you not, in some cases, ease your conscience with a few Hail Mary's and 'dont do it again' platitudes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
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Can you not, in some cases, ease your conscience with a few Hail Mary's and 'dont do it again' platitudes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Sorry folks but deterrence is fear.
The law isn't just punishment. It's "don't this shit 'cause this shit will happen".
An individual may not care about man's law nor God's if the right situation arises. Passion for something is a motherfucker even if ill advised.
Nothing may weigh on his conscience even if he has faith based belief.
I'm surprised that many just don't "get it" even if they don't believe.
It is bollocks.... and to use Busy's "life logic observation" I know many atheists/agnostics that are FAR more law abiding (including "moral" laws) than many of the "faith people".
It has nothing to do with "getting it"..... we get it...... but it's bollocks.
also I will add that not doing something because of fear of retribution is not being moral, not doing something because it is wrong is moral
Well there you have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
From what you say...if we eliminate laws then crime will be unchanged.
You are so busy defending atheists/agnostics that you are making me chuckle. You sit there comparing some atheists to "faith people". People range from apples to oranges but your comparison is flawed since it not apples to apples and can never be. Where is this "we get it" shit? Speak for yourself. I didn't know atheists were of a hive mind. You could almost be Republican then. :lol: :lol:
Everyone's mental state, state of wealth, etc is different.
If a person is thinking of what the Bible says about getting revenge on someone when they were thinking about getting revenge and doesn't then that was a deterrent. Period.
So no you don't "get it".
Many things are deterrents besides religion but religion is still there as one.
You are remind me of the parent who fights to have prayer eliminated from schools. :dry:
Forget the "life logic observation" for a moment.
If someone put a camera on you and you knew they were watching and thought you be tortured for your non-law biding actions then you'd be less likely to commit them.
Now if you knew someone was watching and believed those things and still didn't care then you'd still break the law.
You still aren't a robot. The choice is yours. ;)
Another busy bollocks post
Hey I thought yours was shit too. I just kept my decorum while you did not....and I also made more sense than you did. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
you made no sense whatsoever...
the busy STFU is in order
What makes no sense? :unsure: Oh and go fuck yourself bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
Surely if you eliminate laws then the crime rate would immediately reduce to zero... :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
well lets look at this theory directly hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
this man believes in god and he knew the camera was on him when he did the initial deed.
every day believers commit crime and god is no deterrent....why? ... because they believe god will forgive them. So I say having religion is just as likely to make things bad.....just look at where this religious world is today.
Atheism is about not believing in god. It is not about thinking crime is "ok" because it will go unpunished.